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(The New York Times)   Easter Island heads towards independence from Chile, faces long odds, stony reception, and a rocky relationship. Moai   (nytimes.com) divider line 42
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2012-10-07 01:08:18 PM
It's amusing to me that in Civ5 you need to completely decimate the productivity of your land in order to take advantage of the Moai.
 
2012-10-07 01:19:06 PM
Is THAT what the heads are towards?
 
2012-10-07 01:37:07 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is THAT what the heads are towards?


They are looking towards Nibiru.

*BOO!*
 
2012-10-07 01:39:40 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: It's amusing to me that in Civ5 you need to completely decimate the productivity of your land in order to take advantage of the Moai.


Civ5?
 
2012-10-07 01:43:22 PM
thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp
 
2012-10-07 01:43:24 PM
The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.
 
2012-10-07 01:44:28 PM
This is probably the first article I've ever read where my own pictures are better quality than a news organization.
 
2012-10-07 01:49:06 PM

Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.


That and the fact that the island is devoid of resources. I suppose they could have their "independence" but they'd still need to rely on the Chileans. Basically, they'd get to keep the taxes from the tourist industry, and pay them to Chile in exchange for goods. They'd be their own middleman. I guess that's something.
 
2012-10-07 01:50:43 PM
Well, they should be fine as long as they don't cut down all their trees.
 
2012-10-07 01:51:19 PM
Good job, catholics! You found islands full of indigenous culture and DESTROYED IT!

/ALL-EW ACKBAR
 
2012-10-07 01:56:30 PM
Better headline:

Easter Island heads towards independence from Chile, promises to put their heads together and figure it out.
 
2012-10-07 01:58:22 PM
This is good news. Why the long face?
 
2012-10-07 02:01:15 PM

Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.


I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Oddly enough it is not listed. I guess that South American countries by definition can't hold colonial territories or something. It certainly sounds like it was colonized. Indigenous folks rounded up and held in a town? Check. Last legit ruler thought to have been murdered by the colonizing power? Laws voiding all indigenous claims to land? Check. Almost all the land given over to a powerful company? Check. Laws favoring "continentals" over natives in the job market? Check.
 
2012-10-07 02:06:11 PM
Planet Gradius now considering their... Options.
 
2012-10-07 02:06:46 PM

BolloxReader: Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.

I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Oddly enough it is not listed. I guess that South American countries by definition can't hold colonial territories or something. It certainly sounds like it was colonized. Indigenous folks rounded up and held in a town? Check. Last legit ruler thought to have been murdered by the colonizing power? Laws voiding all indigenous claims to land? Check. Almost all the land given over to a powerful company? Check. Laws favoring "continentals" over natives in the job market? Check.


Also, and I just noticed this, the UN wants to "decolonize" Pitcairn, which has 6 square miles and a population of 48 people. There's a viable independent country in waiting.

Spain is still charged with being a colonial power in The Western Sahara, even though they told the UN in 1976 that they were returning it to the people and no longer responsible for the area. But the native population refuses to organize their own government, so they are still considered a Spain colony by the UN. When a place refuses to organize their own government for over a quarter century in favor of an "overseas colonizer" they really need to consider whether the concept of "colony" is really inherently bad like they automatically assume.
 
2012-10-07 02:07:31 PM

swahnhennessy: Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.

That and the fact that the island is devoid of resources. I suppose they could have their "independence" but they'd still need to rely on the Chileans. Basically, they'd get to keep the taxes from the tourist industry, and pay them to Chile in exchange for goods. They'd be their own middleman. I guess that's something.


Because nobody ever lived on the Island before Chile annexed it.
 
2012-10-07 02:15:12 PM

DamienC: Planet Gradius now considering their... Options.


Warming up the viv viper.. darnit, was planning to make first gradius reference
 
2012-10-07 02:16:19 PM

BolloxReader: BolloxReader: Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.

I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Oddly enough it is not listed. I guess that South American countries by definition can't hold colonial territories or something. It certainly sounds like it was colonized. Indigenous folks rounded up and held in a town? Check. Last legit ruler thought to have been murdered by the colonizing power? Laws voiding all indigenous claims to land? Check. Almost all the land given over to a powerful company? Check. Laws favoring "continentals" over natives in the job market? Check.

Also, and I just noticed this, the UN wants to "decolonize" Pitcairn, which has 6 square miles and a population of 48 people. There's a viable independent country in waiting.

Spain is still charged with being a colonial power in The Western Sahara, even though they told the UN in 1976 that they were returning it to the people and no longer responsible for the area. But the native population refuses to organize their own government, so they are still considered a Spain colony by the UN. When a place refuses to organize their own government for over a quarter century in favor of an "overseas colonizer" they really need to consider whether the concept of "colony" is really inherently bad like they automatically assume.


Where are you getting your facts? Western Sahara wants to be independent from Morocco. They don't want to be a Spanish Colony.

legal status of territory and issue of sovereignty unresolved; territory contested by Morocco and Polisario Front (Popular Front for the Liberation of the Saguia el Hamra and Rio de Oro), which in February 1976 formally proclaimed a government-in-exile, the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (SADR), near Tindouf, Algeria, led by President Mohamed ABDELAZIZ; territory partitioned between Morocco and Mauritania in April 1976 when Spain withdrew, with Morocco acquiring northern two-thirds; Mauritania, under pressure from Polisario guerrillas, abandoned all claims to its portion in August 1979; Morocco moved to occupy that sector shortly thereafter and has since asserted administrative control

CIA World Factbook.
 
2012-10-07 02:26:49 PM
urban.derelict

Actually, the Catholic Church on the island has been a strong force in the preservation of the Rapa Nui culture recently. The Pastor of the Church had a whole selection of artwork and statues made in a traditional style to reflect the culture of the people, getting rid of the western European artwork. He also introduced a Mass every Sunday where the prayers, music, and readings are in the Rapa Nui language and tradition. The music came from their traditional songwriting/cultural process, and the people at large bring instruments and play/sing from all over the congregation. It's a really marvelous example of the Church working to preserve and include local culture, rather than replace/overtake it. The sentiment has more to do with Chilean culture and people taking over the island. I'm deeply saddened by the hotel going up. Hanga Roa is a beautiful little town and the people were amazing there. The culture was very authentic and still evolving. The typical way to stay in Easter Island (6 years ago anyway) was to stay in a residencial (kind of like a B and B, but you interact more with the local family who owns it).

Anyway, the statues are disintegrating quite quickly, so if you want to see it, better get there quick anyway... independence or not, the Moai are fragile and won't last much longer.
 
2012-10-07 02:30:36 PM

KangTheMad: BolloxReader: BolloxReader: Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.

I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Oddly enough it is not listed. I guess that South American countries by definition can't hold colonial territories or something. It certainly sounds like it was colonized. Indigenous folks rounded up and held in a town? Check. Last legit ruler thought to have been murdered by the colonizing power? Laws voiding all indigenous claims to land? Check. Almost all the land given over to a powerful company? Check. Laws favoring "continentals" over natives in the job market? Check.

Also, and I just noticed this, the UN wants to "decolonize" Pitcairn, which has 6 square miles and a population of 48 people. There's a viable independent country in waiting.

Spain is still charged with being a colonial power in The Western Sahara, even though they told the UN in 1976 that they were returning it to the people and no longer responsible for the area. But the native population refuses to organize their own government, so they are still considered a Spain colony by the UN. When a place refuses to organize their own government for over a quarter century in favor of an "overseas colonizer" they really need to consider whether the concept of "colony" is really inherently bad like they automatically assume.

Where are you getting your facts? Western Sahara wants to be independent from Morocco. They don't want to be a Spanish Colony.

legal status of territory and issue of sovereignty unresolved; territory contested by Morocco and Polisario Front (Po ...


The UN. Which of course the US disagrees with, considering we have three territories they want to make independent countries. The explanation about the Western Sahara is at the bottom in the footnotes.

On re-reading the chart, it looks like Spain isn't actually listed as the colonial power. They are asterisked in. No mention of Morocco on the page though.
 
2012-10-07 02:34:57 PM

BolloxReader: I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.


Sounds like the UN touched you improperly as a child. Open up to us, we can help get this off your chest.
 
2012-10-07 02:35:42 PM

KangTheMad: Because nobody ever lived on the Island before Chile annexed it.


I don't know how you got that out of what I wrote. For what it's worth, I hope they do get independence. But considering the realities in place, they can't exactly strike out on their own. Their entire economy is provided by Chile.
 
2012-10-07 02:37:47 PM
They could have the first modern head-of-state to be selected by sooty-tern-egg recovery.
 
2012-10-07 02:42:19 PM

theorellior: BolloxReader: I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Sounds like the UN touched you improperly as a child. Open up to us, we can help get this off your chest.


I'm a big fan of a lot of the UN. They just have some really stupid ideas that have been pushed through. What touched me improperly as a child was "zero tolerance." Seriously, look at the chart I linked above and tell me that they are all viable. The Committee of 24 is stupid enough to think that a country of 48 people on an island is viable, and I was astonished that they didn't include Easter Island because they (unlike many of the others on the list) have an actual, credible independence movement.
 
2012-10-07 02:47:22 PM
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-10-07 02:48:52 PM

theorellior: BolloxReader: I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Sounds like the UN touched you improperly as a child. Open up to us, we can help get this off your chest.


It sounds like you have a knee-jerk defensiveness of the UN. They're in the wrong on this partidular issue. Get over it.
 
2012-10-07 02:56:53 PM

BolloxReader: I'm a big fan of a lot of the UN. They just have some really stupid ideas that have been pushed through. What touched me improperly as a child was "zero tolerance." Seriously, look at the chart I linked above and tell me that they are all viable. The Committee of 24 is stupid enough to think that a country of 48 people on an island is viable, and I was astonished that they didn't include Easter Island because they (unlike many of the others on the list) have an actual, credible independence movement.


FLMountainMan: It sounds like you have a knee-jerk defensiveness of the UN. They're in the wrong on this partidular issue. Get over it.


The UN is what it is--a sloppy compromise talking shop because no country is ever going to limit its sovereignty to a supra-national organization unless we're being attacked by aliens.That being said it's better than the alternative. So the UN puts out a silly document about Pitcairn needing to be a sovereign nation. The amount of farks I give could fit into a matchbox without removing the matches..
 
2012-10-07 02:58:30 PM
the UN is despicable
 
2012-10-07 03:12:59 PM
Jason Scott Lee is going to be pissed when he comes back with that egg and Chile thinks they are in charge!
 
2012-10-07 03:23:15 PM

theorellior: BolloxReader: I'm a big fan of a lot of the UN. They just have some really stupid ideas that have been pushed through. What touched me improperly as a child was "zero tolerance." Seriously, look at the chart I linked above and tell me that they are all viable. The Committee of 24 is stupid enough to think that a country of 48 people on an island is viable, and I was astonished that they didn't include Easter Island because they (unlike many of the others on the list) have an actual, credible independence movement.

FLMountainMan: It sounds like you have a knee-jerk defensiveness of the UN. They're in the wrong on this partidular issue. Get over it.

The UN is what it is--a sloppy compromise talking shop because no country is ever going to limit its sovereignty to a supra-national organization unless we're being attacked by aliens.That being said it's better than the alternative. So the UN puts out a silly document about Pitcairn needing to be a sovereign nation. The amount of farks I give could fit into a matchbox without removing the matches..


'The alternative ' isn't an all powerful world body. That is very black and white. There are many alternatives.

I would prefer one that doesn't empower random bureaucratic jackholes to try and make international policy decisions with no logic basis.
 
2012-10-07 03:37:52 PM

theorellior: BolloxReader: I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Sounds like the UN touched you improperly as a child. Open up to us, we can help get this off your chest.


The UN has touched a lot of people inappropriately.
 
2012-10-07 03:40:39 PM

LargeCanine: theorellior: BolloxReader: I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Sounds like the UN touched you improperly as a child. Open up to us, we can help get this off your chest.

The UN has touched a lot of people inappropriately.


Show me on the globe where the UN touched you.
 
2012-10-07 03:45:01 PM

liam76: 'The alternative ' isn't an all powerful world body. That is very black and white. There are many alternatives.


The alternative I was talking about was having no international talking shop. I don't want a one-world government, unless we're being attacked by space aliens.

liam76: I would prefer one that doesn't empower random bureaucratic jackholes to try and make international policy decisions with no logic basis.


This is not a problem limited to the UN.
 
2012-10-07 04:08:47 PM

theorellior: liam76: 'The alternative ' isn't an all powerful world body. That is very black and white. There are many alternatives.

The alternative I was talking about was having no international talking shop. I don't want a one-world government, unless we're being attacked by space aliens.

liam76: I would prefer one that doesn't empower random bureaucratic jackholes to try and make international policy decisions with no logic basis.

This is not a problem limited to the UN.


But pointing it out means that I, as an American, whose country doesn't acknowledge any UN resolution as binding on it, was touched inappropriately by the UN. Look, I rail against a lot of things, and most of them have one thing in common: bureaucracies that work in this way. Whether it's local school boards or the UN, there's no excuse for allowing that kind of thinking to predominate. Ideology makes for hideous policy. Policy should be rooted in practicality and compromise.
 
2012-10-07 04:30:31 PM

BolloxReader: But pointing it out means that I, as an American, whose country doesn't acknowledge any UN resolution as binding on it, was touched inappropriately by the UN. Look, I rail against a lot of things, and most of them have one thing in common: bureaucracies that work in this way. Whether it's local school boards or the UN, there's no excuse for allowing that kind of thinking to predominate. Ideology makes for hideous policy. Policy should be rooted in practicality and compromise.


Well, sorry, then. The two back-to-back posts earlier in the thread sounded kinda like the start of a black helicopter screed.
 
2012-10-07 04:46:32 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: LargeCanine: theorellior: BolloxReader: I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Sounds like the UN touched you improperly as a child. Open up to us, we can help get this off your chest.

The UN has touched a lot of people inappropriately.

Show me on the globe where the UN touched you.


*Points to Florida*

That's where the UN touched me.

/ right in the peninsular state that is south of Georgia.
 
2012-10-07 04:54:13 PM

theorellior: liam76: 'The alternative ' isn't an all powerful world body. That is very black and white. There are many alternatives.

The alternative I was talking about was having no international talking shop. I don't want a one-world government, unless we're being attacked by space aliens.

liam76: I would prefer one that doesn't empower random bureaucratic jackholes to try and make international policy decisions with no logic basis.

This is not a problem limited to the UN.


I realize that was the alternative you spoke of but I was pointing out that wasn't the only alternative.

And yes the UN isn't the only bureaucracy with that problem.
 
2012-10-07 05:43:11 PM

Skyrmion: They could have the first modern head-of-state to be selected by sooty-tern-egg recovery.


Maybe we should use that method too...gotta be about as good as the electoral college...
 
2012-10-07 07:28:30 PM
Red Meat FTW!
www.redmeat.com
 
2012-10-08 12:18:05 AM
I read that headline in the voice of Professor Frink.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/Glavin
 
2012-10-08 02:34:29 AM

BolloxReader: BolloxReader: Lord Dimwit: The Rapanui population of the island is less than 3000. I can't imagine it would be possible to create a functioning state with that small a population. Maybe an "associated state" like Niue could work.

I was expecting Easter Island to appear on the list of Non-Self Governing Territories, which the UN has earmarked for complete independence (such as Gibraltar, Guam, the US Virgin Islands, the Falklands, etc) because controlling anything outside of your own coastline is deemed intolerable by the UN.

Oddly enough it is not listed. I guess that South American countries by definition can't hold colonial territories or something. It certainly sounds like it was colonized. Indigenous folks rounded up and held in a town? Check. Last legit ruler thought to have been murdered by the colonizing power? Laws voiding all indigenous claims to land? Check. Almost all the land given over to a powerful company? Check. Laws favoring "continentals" over natives in the job market? Check.

Also, and I just noticed this, the UN wants to "decolonize" Pitcairn, which has 6 square miles and a population of 48 people. There's a viable independent country in waiting.

Spain is still charged with being a colonial power in The Western Sahara, even though they told the UN in 1976 that they were returning it to the people and no longer responsible for the area. But the native population refuses to organize their own government, so they are still considered a Spain colony by the UN. When a place refuses to organize their own government for over a quarter century in favor of an "overseas colonizer" they really need to consider whether the concept of "colony" is really inherently bad like they automatically assume.


Didn't Morroco invade Western Sahara after the Spanish left, and is still fighting a low-grade guerrilla war w/ the Polisario Front (Mauritania was involved for a few years in the 70s).
 
2012-10-08 05:26:23 AM

liam76: theorellior: BolloxReader: I'm a big fan of a lot of the UN. They just have some really stupid ideas that have been pushed through. What touched me improperly as a child was "zero tolerance." Seriously, look at the chart I linked above and tell me that they are all viable. The Committee of 24 is stupid enough to think that a country of 48 people on an island is viable, and I was astonished that they didn't include Easter Island because they (unlike many of the others on the list) have an actual, credible independence movement.

FLMountainMan: It sounds like you have a knee-jerk defensiveness of the UN. They're in the wrong on this partidular issue. Get over it.

The UN is what it is--a sloppy compromise talking shop because no country is ever going to limit its sovereignty to a supra-national organization unless we're being attacked by aliens.That being said it's better than the alternative. So the UN puts out a silly document about Pitcairn needing to be a sovereign nation. The amount of farks I give could fit into a matchbox without removing the matches..

'The alternative ' isn't an all powerful world body. That is very black and white. There are many alternatives.

I would prefer one that doesn't empower random bureaucratic jackholes to try and make international policy decisions with no logic basis.


That would be the UN, then.

The UN can make all the "decisions" it wants, but the countries subject to that decision can do what they damn well please, and the UN has no recourse but to beg whoever has an actual military to do something about it. And the military holders can do what they please about that.

Also, I think the "alternative" theoreillor was thinking of was "nothing at all". If you think that's better than the UN, you need to think a little harder.
 
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