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(My San Antonio)   For the first time in decades, more people are moving from the U.S. to Mexico than are coming to the U.S. from Mexico   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 142
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2012-10-07 01:28:29 PM

jjorsett: Hispanics constitute a "low information culture", and it's the GOP that's racist.


I'm not making a racial observation, but a factual one about countries and their education levels. Mexico is, on the whole, not as well educated as we are in the U.S. Hence why the man in the article found himself to have such a nice advantage over the rest of his countrymen.

World Education Index 

upload.wikimedia.org 
 
2012-10-07 01:29:53 PM
Bbbbut what will happen to GOP/TEA talking points?! Won't someone PLEASE think of the bigotry exploiting liars!
 
2012-10-07 01:30:01 PM

HempHead: Now a days, immigrants come here, but refuse to assimilate. They come strictly for the money and leave when that ends.


Oh, I think they've assimilated.
 
2012-10-07 01:30:43 PM
Haa Haa Haa.

Now we may see some cooperation on a fence. Mexico working to stop them from coming back and the criminals in the government and business from letting them get away.
 
2012-10-07 01:32:31 PM
Aww. It warms my heart to read that illegal aliens are getting the fark out.
 
2012-10-07 01:32:41 PM
I don't think they are taking the gangs with them.
 
2012-10-07 01:34:14 PM

HempHead: That is the difference between immigration 200 years ago and today. 200 years ago it was a one way trip to the new world. You had to assimilate with your new country. America was the great melting pot of cultures and peoples.


2/3 of immigrants to America in the great waves of immigration at the end of the 19th and early 20th century actually returned to their countries of origin. Everything old is new again...
 
2012-10-07 01:34:33 PM
1920s - "Hey Mexicans, please please please come work on American farms"

1930s - "GTFO"

Godscrack: 1960 - Damn lazy Mexicans!

2012 - They're taking our job's!

 
2012-10-07 01:34:52 PM

Vectron: I don't think they are taking the gangs with them.


That's because gangs like the gun laws here.
 
2012-10-07 01:35:43 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: FTA, © 2012 San Antonio Express-News: "He misses the U.S., Navarro said. He's had a hard time adjusting to the culture - for one thing, personal space isn't given a premium in Mexico, he said - and he gets a hostile reaction when people on the bus hear him speaking English."

It's interesting to note that Mexicans (apparently) are just as bigoted as Americans are.

/ turnabout is fair play, I guess.


True, but sad. In my ideal fantasy world, one population of either culture starts to give a little. Maybe it's because they realize that teaching their children to be biased against another language just because immigrants from another country speak it isn't as important as the benefits of learning multiple languages during childhood. Hell, if you live anywhere in the southwest you open up a whole new branch of job options by learning it. Either way, someone gives and instead of people walling each other off for reasons outside either of their own personal controls, they try to understand one another.

Besides, that guy who your friend just complained about that dusty fieldworker because he took a long time to order using gestures and spanish? We have no idea how available learning the English language is to him. However, if you were a high school student you could very well have had that option, you just neglected to seize it for what it was worth.
 
2012-10-07 01:36:46 PM

hbk72777: Any brainless idiot who moves to that hellhole really isn't a loss to this country.

Nothing like spending every minute of your life wondering if this is the day you're going to be decapitated and stuffed in the back of a Corolla with your severed penis shoved in your mouth.


You describe daily business in most of the world.
If not this, that.

/it is cute how the young think this comparatively safe country is the standard
 
2012-10-07 01:38:33 PM
This is bad news for .....Univision.
 
2012-10-07 01:40:06 PM

proteus_b: HempHead: That is the difference between immigration 200 years ago and today. 200 years ago it was a one way trip to the new world. You had to assimilate with your new country. America was the great melting pot of cultures and peoples.

2/3 of immigrants to America in the great waves of immigration at the end of the 19th and early 20th century actually returned to their countries of origin. Everything old is new again...


.
Be careful, facts aren't tolerated well here.
 
2012-10-07 01:43:11 PM

david_gaithersburg: proteus_b: HempHead: That is the difference between immigration 200 years ago and today. 200 years ago it was a one way trip to the new world. You had to assimilate with your new country. America was the great melting pot of cultures and peoples.

2/3 of immigrants to America in the great waves of immigration at the end of the 19th and early 20th century actually returned to their countries of origin. Everything old is new again...

.
Be careful, facts aren't tolerated well here.


If true, all it means is that people who don't assimilate move back to their country of origin and those who do assimilate remain here. We're basically defining the word assimilate here.
 
2012-10-07 01:44:17 PM

Deman: david_gaithersburg: proteus_b: HempHead: That is the difference between immigration 200 years ago and today. 200 years ago it was a one way trip to the new world. You had to assimilate with your new country. America was the great melting pot of cultures and peoples.

2/3 of immigrants to America in the great waves of immigration at the end of the 19th and early 20th century actually returned to their countries of origin. Everything old is new again...

.
Be careful, facts aren't tolerated well here.

If true, all it means is that people who don't assimilate move back to their country of origin and those who do assimilate remain here. We're basically defining the word assimilate here.


^^^^^
See, what did I tell ya.
 
2012-10-07 01:44:34 PM

douchebag/hater: Good.

It can't happen fast enough.

I'm sick of illegals being here and the politicians that pander to them.


Sitting Bull most be rolling in his grave.
 
2012-10-07 01:46:12 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: FTA, © 2012 San Antonio Express-News: "He misses the U.S., Navarro said. He's had a hard time adjusting to the culture - for one thing, personal space isn't given a premium in Mexico, he said - and he gets a hostile reaction when people on the bus hear him speaking English."

It's interesting to note that Mexicans (apparently) are just as bigoted as Americans are.

/ turnabout is fair play, I guess.


No, no, no.

Only WHITE people are capable of bigotry and prejudice. EVERYBODY else welcomes ANYBODY with open arms, puppies, and cake.
 
2012-10-07 01:46:48 PM

david_gaithersburg: Deman: david_gaithersburg: proteus_b: HempHead: That is the difference between immigration 200 years ago and today. 200 years ago it was a one way trip to the new world. You had to assimilate with your new country. America was the great melting pot of cultures and peoples.

2/3 of immigrants to America in the great waves of immigration at the end of the 19th and early 20th century actually returned to their countries of origin. Everything old is new again...

.
Be careful, facts aren't tolerated well here.

If true, all it means is that people who don't assimilate move back to their country of origin and those who do assimilate remain here. We're basically defining the word assimilate here.

^^^^^
See, what did I tell ya.


What implications does that fact have for you?
 
2012-10-07 01:46:49 PM

Deman: Forbidden Doughnut: FTA, © 2012 San Antonio Express-News: "He misses the U.S., Navarro said. He's had a hard time adjusting to the culture - for one thing, personal space isn't given a premium in Mexico, he said - and he gets a hostile reaction when people on the bus hear him speaking English."

It's interesting to note that Mexicans (apparently) are just as bigoted as Americans are.

/ turnabout is fair play, I guess.

True, but sad. In my ideal fantasy world, one population of either culture starts to give a little. Maybe it's because they realize that teaching their children to be biased against another language just because immigrants from another country speak it isn't as important as the benefits of learning multiple languages during childhood. Hell, if you live anywhere in the southwest you open up a whole new branch of job options by learning it. Either way, someone gives and instead of people walling each other off for reasons outside either of their own personal controls, they try to understand one another.



Knowledge is power. Too bad so many people don't accept that simple fact. ( It's also sad that my 40+ year old brain just isn't flexible enough to learn a second language easily. I did take 2 years of Spanish and 4 years of German in HS, but have forgotten most of it...)
 
2012-10-07 01:48:44 PM
Well, your leader did promise CHANGE(tm). Now that the change he's promised has happened, you're going to complain about it?
 
2012-10-07 01:49:19 PM
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2012-10-07 01:50:45 PM

limeyfellow: douchebag/hater: Good.

It can't happen fast enough.

I'm sick of illegals being here and the politicians that pander to them.

Sitting Bull most be rolling in his grave.


Look that the fark handle. Ovious troll is obvious.
 
2012-10-07 02:00:20 PM
www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com 
A way of life.
 
2012-10-07 02:00:57 PM

Sultan Of Herf: Mrtraveler01: roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Yeah, but you also have to worry about drug gangs and other acts of violence.

It's like retiring to Opa Locka, North Miami Beach, or to a smaller extent Hialeah (some of the most crime ridden parts of Miami) just to escape the cold weather.

When I went to MEPS (military enlistment processing center) im Miami I was left at a train station in Hialeah for a few hours awaiting a train back to Palm Beach. It was an unstaffed station with only vending type machines to give tickets. I could see the local barrio just about a block away, and they could see me...I was just waiting for it. A couple times a security guard drove through...guess that was enough to keep em away. That is probably the most uncomfortable a place has ever made me.


Meh Hialeah is not a big deal. Try Carol City or Liberty City. Then talk to me about uncomfortable.
 
2012-10-07 02:01:15 PM
Están tomando nuestros trabajos
 
2012-10-07 02:03:31 PM
Strangely enough, I'm seeing more and more Americans (not Americans of Mexican origin/descent though, but caucasian Americans) here in the city, not really a new thing since Hermosillo is, as its roots, a city of immigrants. Just a though.
 
2012-10-07 02:03:47 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Están tomando nuestros trabajos


Speak the American!

/+ get the Mexican right - it's "trabajeerbos"
 
2012-10-07 02:04:28 PM
Most of those going are retired and finding that Social Security checks go a lot further down south.
 
2012-10-07 02:07:34 PM

roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.


Hmm. Okay, I'll admit that I don't really know what healthcare system they have in Mexico, or the benefits/costs. What I will say is that I am a physician for a county hospital in southern California and we have a good percentage of our patient population being immigrants. Of those, there is a significant chunk who travelled here specifically for health care reasons (usually because they can't afford to pay for things like dialysis or cancer treatments). I'm not sure what metric you are judging their health care being better, but I'd love to hear about it.
 
2012-10-07 02:07:54 PM

AliceBToklasLives: machodonkeywrestler: Están tomando nuestros trabajos

Speak the American!

/+ get the Mexican right - it's "trabajeerbos"


??????? Is that like jerbs?
 
2012-10-07 02:08:29 PM
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Vamos Mantequilla!
 
2012-10-07 02:08:59 PM
Good.
 
2012-10-07 02:09:30 PM
Don't forget the..
imageshack.us 
There's a reason why vacations are cheap there.
 
2012-10-07 02:09:44 PM

DrMcNinja: roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Hmm. Okay, I'll admit that I don't really know what healthcare system they have in Mexico, or the benefits/costs. What I will say is that I am a physician for a county hospital in southern California and we have a good percentage of our patient population being immigrants. Of those, there is a significant chunk who travelled here specifically for health care reasons (usually because they can't afford to pay for things like dialysis or cancer treatments). I'm not sure what metric you are judging their health care being better, but I'd love to hear about it.


If you work in a local SC hospital, then the immigrants were probably brought there by local farmers.
 
2012-10-07 02:13:14 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Godscrack: 2012 - They're taking our job's!

They should also take that apostrophe before they leave.


No. You don't get it Vern.

The apostrophe is used regularly in Freeper posts.
 
2012-10-07 02:13:43 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: It's interesting to note that Mexicans (apparently) are just as bigoted as Americans are.



People all over the world are bigoted. We do not have a monopoly on that by any stretch of the imagination.

/All human beings are alike, they just look a little different.
 
2012-10-07 02:13:48 PM
Maybe the Romneys will go back after the election too.

/Take Ted Nugent with you on the way out.
 
2012-10-07 02:15:15 PM

machodonkeywrestler: AliceBToklasLives: machodonkeywrestler: Están tomando nuestros trabajos

Speak the American!

/+ get the Mexican right - it's "trabajeerbos"

??????? Is that like jerbs?


That was the idea. Execution = best I could do well into Sunday football beering.
 
2012-10-07 02:15:44 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: fta: " Many struggle with the language, have trouble in Mexican schools and find it difficult to integrate into Mexican society."

simple, they should campaign to make English an official language of Mexico, sue to have school taught in English and sue whenever something in society disadvantages them due to their language.


Because that's what all Mexican immigrants do in the US, get it?
 
2012-10-07 02:16:39 PM

machodonkeywrestler: DrMcNinja: roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Hmm. Okay, I'll admit that I don't really know what healthcare system they have in Mexico, or the benefits/costs. What I will say is that I am a physician for a county hospital in southern California and we have a good percentage of our patient population being immigrants. Of those, there is a significant chunk who travelled here specifically for health care reasons (usually because they can't afford to pay for things like dialysis or cancer treatments). I'm not sure what metric you are judging their health care being better, but I'd love to hear about it.

If you work in a local SC hospital, then the immigrants were probably brought there by local farmers.


There are those, but no. These are people with a stack of medical records, biopsy reports, etc, saying "I just drove here to get medical care"
 
2012-10-07 02:17:34 PM
But who is going to pick crops 12 hours a day in 110 degree heat for minimum wage?
 
2012-10-07 02:28:06 PM

DrMcNinja: machodonkeywrestler: DrMcNinja: roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Hmm. Okay, I'll admit that I don't really know what healthcare system they have in Mexico, or the benefits/costs. What I will say is that I am a physician for a county hospital in southern California and we have a good percentage of our patient population being immigrants. Of those, there is a significant chunk who travelled here specifically for health care reasons (usually because they can't afford to pay for things like dialysis or cancer treatments). I'm not sure what metric you are judging their health care being better, but I'd love to hear about it.

If you work in a local SC hospital, then the immigrants were probably brought there by local farmers.

There are those, but no. These are people with a stack of medical records, biopsy reports, etc, saying "I just drove here to get medical care"


Private care in Mexico is more or less on par with Private care in the US, but no everyone can afford it. Public health in Mexico is a hit and miss, most of the time. The best public hospitals are usually too busy to attend everyone, and the worst have shortage of medicine or proper equipment. Here's how it works: Medical company A sells lousy medical gear at high prices to the government healthcare department, while the healthcare department inflates the price cost so it 'justifies' the shortage on a certain medication or other equipment. I know this because my older brother and my dad, and several uncles, an aunt, and a few friends of mine are doctors, and most of them have either worked some time in public healthcare or are in the healthcare system as full time doctors.

So yeah, the Mexican medical plan is nice, if you can afford it/get on time. But, things are going for the worst now, because Congress has just passed a series of law reforms that, not only undercut healtcare, but reduce de minimum wage, safety laws, and other fun stuff.
 
2012-10-07 02:36:17 PM
the bankers stole all the money and are now fleeing? you dont say.
 
2012-10-07 02:36:55 PM

DrMcNinja: roadkillontheweb: That's why my friends retired down there. Much cheaper to live great climate (in the mountains) and the healthcare is so much better.

Hmm. Okay, I'll admit that I don't really know what healthcare system they have in Mexico, or the benefits/costs. What I will say is that I am a physician for a county hospital in southern California and we have a good percentage of our patient population being immigrants. Of those, there is a significant chunk who travelled here specifically for health care reasons (usually because they can't afford to pay for things like dialysis or cancer treatments). I'm not sure what metric you are judging their health care being better, but I'd love to hear about it.


they have been down there for 12+ years and while our costs have continued to skyrocket theirs have not. The cost of medication is the real shocker compared to here. Screening tests and general doctors visits are also available and affordable. They have said it was a real eye opener after being told how bad it was here by the press etc. to actually see it first hand and find out it is better. They can not believe how bad that type of system is portrayed in the US and how many people are fighting Obamacare.
I used to live in SoCal years ago and generally the border towns like TJ are hell holes but if you get into central Mexico it is much better but goes down hill in huge cities like Mexico city. They are living off of their retirement savings and granted that is much better than to work and make a living but the access to healthcare and the associated cost of it to them and the general public is much better than here.
They laugh when they hear I am paying over a grand a month for health insurance and rarely ever use it and when I do the deductibles and copay's take another chunk out of my pocket. Since my wife has a preexisting condition I am limited to where I can get coverage and the cost is ridiculous,
 
2012-10-07 02:39:14 PM
Not Canada? I hear they have better medical.
 
2012-10-07 02:40:58 PM
Well, I'm glad to see there's an upside to the economic downturn in this country.
 
2012-10-07 02:42:40 PM
you're all a bunch of farking slaves
 
2012-10-07 02:44:12 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: OrygunFarker: So, they moved here when the times were good to mooch off the system and take our jerbs, but now that we are in a recession they are moving away instead of helping pull us out of the mess they helped create.


Sounds about right for Mexicans.


/amirite?
Sounds about right for Immigrants.

Very few immigrants go anywhere because they love the culture and want to be a part of a particular country. Most immigrants go for strictly economic reasons. As an immigrant myself, I can tell you that it was strictly about money and quality of life. I have no love or loyalty to my current country of residency and I'd *rather* be back where I was born. As soon as it makes sense for me, I'll go back home.


You sound like a terrorist. A sleeper agent in our midst who accumulates our wealth to export back to the motherland to instigate economic collapse. No doubt you and your fellow agents have plunged the US and Europe into their recession through exploitation of their compassion. You will not stop until you can resurrect the Aztlan Empire, the Ottoman Empire, or create a new Superpower at the expense of all Caucassians.
 
2012-10-07 02:46:28 PM
Newsflash: When your "skill set" is such that you're only able to work in unskilled labor, you will be easy to replace and won't be able to command many perks and benefits since any monkey plucked out of the line of willing applicants can replace you.

If you actually work to make yourself more specialized, educated, and marketable (a foreign concept, I know), then you will not face that problem.

You're welcome for the free advice, even though most of you won't take it and will still just sit around and biatch.
 
2012-10-07 02:52:30 PM

bluenovaman: HempHead: mikemoto: Somewhat off subject but I wonder why so many people, especially Republicans assume that Hispanics are wedded to the Democratic party. Yes, large majorities vote that way currently, but if look at countries like Mexico, they tend to elect center-right or outright conservative governments as opposed to center-left or hard left governments. The PRD in Mexico has NEVER won a national election and probably won't in the near future. The GOP needs to drop its illegal immigrant bashing.

Republicans are all for bringing over hundreds of thousands of workers on H1-B visas.

Many of the programmers where I work are on that program. Mostly Indians, great people IMHO. I'd rather they work and live here than move our operation wholesale over there.
/Indian chicks are spicy too.


And they work cheaper than Americans. Plus they help keep the Americans in line.
 
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