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(The New York Times)   On a tiny island off Washington State, scientist find an acidic ocean, linked to rising carbon dioxide levels, as well as fewer mussels, barnacles, and seabirds. So, yes, everybody should panic   (nytimes.com) divider line 16
    More: Scary, atmospheric carbon dioxide, University of Washington, oceans, apex predator, islands  
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2012-10-07 12:03:34 PM
7 votes:

Krymson Tyde: No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.


I have to admit to having a dream sometimes where Jesus returns to bring the end times. He looks around at the poor, the hungry and the sick, and then at the gleaming churches of those who pray in his name and the politicians who praise him in every speech.

Then he sits down with a bunch of scientists at a local bar, orders a beer and says "OK- you're the smart ones. Explain to me WTF happened anyway? 'Cause frankly I'm pretty confused"
2012-10-07 12:15:07 PM
4 votes:
Oh yes, you should worry as an American, a taxpayer, and a human being.

You see, the people who are in charge of this kind of thing - the investigation and mitigation of it - are the Representatives who make up the House Science Committee.

A committee made up of a large amount of people who believe that, among other things, Climate Science and Evolution are satanic, liberal lies that have no place in the United States Government.

Representative Paul Broun, stating that basic biological and general sciences are "lies from the pits of hell themselves"

Representative Todd Akin, who besides his "legtimate rape" comment, believes evolution and climate science are conspiracies.

There are other members of the science committee who believe, among other things - homeopathy is a legitimate scientific pursuit, evolution is a lie, religious freedom is not necessary in the United States, the abiotic oil/no peak oil theory, climate change is not occuring, and that basic biological sciences are hiding the truth about abortion.

America, this is what you voted for. You voted for stupidity and conspiracy theory in the highest echelons of our Government. You voted to be "tough on them liberals!" and elected people who have less knowledge about the topic they govern than a fifth grade student learns in Science class.

This, right here, is why our nation will become second world in terms of technology and science.

But yeah. You guys go with Christ.
2012-10-07 12:08:25 PM
3 votes:

doglover: Who the uses the term "bellweather" in this day and age. I must've read 10,000 books in my day, and I've never come across it.


1) It's bellwether
2) Were they coloring books?
2012-10-07 01:03:04 PM
2 votes:

born_yesterday: I watched a forum of experts on CSPAN, regarding the Pentagon procurement process. Their insights into the amount of waste was very depressing.

The irony of it all, was that with better oversight, we could provide BETTER equipment and services to the troops while spending significantly LESS money.

Yet any talk of reducing defense spending is tantamount to treason.

Their conclusion was that the system won't change as long as Congress continues to benefit from the corruption.

And so here we are.


A huge problem is that there are no term limits. You have senators and representatives in some districts who have been in office for twenty, thirty, even forty years. There's no incentive for them to change their votes as long as they can pretend to kiss the asses of their constituents, many who will vote for them strictly because they have D or R behind their names.

Many Americans won't even research what they vote for. They vote because they're part of X party.

How do you think CNN and Fox News are so successful at information manipulation in the United States?
2012-10-07 12:13:58 PM
2 votes:
There's an ocean on an island? How did they do that?
2012-10-07 08:06:47 PM
1 votes:

chuckufarlie: so, you are either too lazy or too stupid to do a simple google search? I have never met anybody that stupid/lazy.

Link



nicksteel: They shout down anybody who dsagrees with them but when challenged, they don't know anything. It seems hypocritical to tell people that they are wrong when these two (an a few others) have no real idea why they are wrong. It is easy to answer a question by pointing somebody to a lengthy article. The hope that somewhere in that article is the answer. I merely ask them to provide those one or two sentences that actually ARE the answer. They can't.
2012-10-07 02:11:22 PM
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: HighZoolander: I get what you're saying - 'both sides are bad', 'climate science isn't established enough for anything more than tentative conclusions' (from your earlier post), and 'other problems are more important'.

I only said that the conclusions just of these particular scientists are tentative. Not that climate change (the big overall subject) isn't happening. Climate change does seem to be accelerating. No doubt about the evidence there. And it seems a very likely conclusion that human activities are causing it. I don't know why you have assumed any different about my stance on the topic.


I may have misread you, but it was mostly because you said this:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Unfortunately I agree this may eventually be a necessary discussion. There are some very serious ecological problems that are definitely caused by humans, that get very little air time. Because everyone who supposedly "cares" sooooo damn much is too busy wallowing in self-serving partisan self-righteousness over the one issue of climate change. (that goes for both sides) The depopulation of the worlds oceans from overfishing comes to mind, as one.


The implication is that if other problems are definitely caused by humans, than climate change isn't as definitely caused by humans. I think we may agree that the evidence there leaves just about no room for doubt.

I also don't follow at all why you'd think overfishing is a more serious problem than acidifying the ocean that all the fish live in. I'm not saying that overfishing isn't a problem, but it hardly seems like a worse problem.

So, it sounded like you were casting doubt on the strength of the evidence for human-caused climate change, while at the same time emphasizing that other problems were more pressing/important, which also undermines the seriousness of climate change.
2012-10-07 01:08:53 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: America, this is what you voted for. You voted for stupidity and conspiracy theory in the highest echelons of our Government. You voted to be "tough on them liberals!" and elected people who have less knowledge about the topic they govern than a fifth grade student learns in Science class.



Okay so their research will continue, while they see if they can reach more convincing conclusions. In the meantime, in peer review even other scientists are questioning their tentative conclusions. No need to freak out and start lynching people just yet.

Science information isn't limited to just the U.S. The scientific community is global and it doesn't have to rest on just the U.S. to "save the world". If there is merit to their future research, it will be heard and discussed.

Greenhouse emissions aren't unique to the U.S. either. China emits about 50% more than the U.S., and the EU, collectively, is about equal to us. And some other nations like India and Brazil are starting to pick up the pace very rapidly.

If there is a problem, it isn't a U.S. only problem. And we won't be the only ones who have to try to fix it. So try not to have a coronary about it just yet.

/tree-hugging vegetarian liberal here
2012-10-07 12:56:17 PM
1 votes:

Huggermugger: Oh, is that the latest Teabagger spin? "OK, there is climate change, but since you mention some solutions that are socialistic like conservation, your arguments are entirely invalidated and nullified."


If the conservative philosophy was internally consistent they'd be the first people out there trying to preserve the environment as it is.
2012-10-07 12:45:55 PM
1 votes:

born_yesterday: And don't ignore the cyclical ramifications that feed back into the derp. As America loses it's position as a leader in technology and manufacturing, the jobs associated with them go overseas (still fed by our consumerist dollars). As the country declines in every relevant way, they'll blame it on the lack of "Christ's Law", continuing to vote for and push an agenda that further suppresses science and technology, further leading to our decline.


THIS.

And you know what's sad? Cutting even part of the defense appropriations which make up, along with medicare, the majority of the yearly budget expenditure of the United States, and putting them into Science and Education is completely verboten. Because some imaginary enemy of our freedoms is just waiting out there to invade and take us over, despite no army on earth having that capability. (The Chinese MIGHT come close, but this isn't a Michael Bay movie, and the chinese have no massive sealift/airlift capabilities.)

We waste more in the Military each year than we spend on basic sciences and educating our children. Let that sink in, America.

All because some arrogant, elderly asshole in Washington, who's been in his position for DECADES thanks to the lack of term limits, thinks it's America's divine, Christ-given position to police the world, and that America is the exception to the rule that as we defund and ignore the arts and sciences, they won't rush overseas to fertile funding grounds.
2012-10-07 12:36:29 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Oh yes, you should worry as an American, a taxpayer, and a human being.

You see, the people who are in charge of this kind of thing - the investigation and mitigation of it - are the Representatives who make up the House Science Committee.

A committee made up of a large amount of people who believe that, among other things, Climate Science and Evolution are satanic, liberal lies that have no place in the United States Government.

Representative Paul Broun, stating that basic biological and general sciences are "lies from the pits of hell themselves"

Representative Todd Akin, who besides his "legtimate rape" comment, believes evolution and climate science are conspiracies.

There are other members of the science committee who believe, among other things - homeopathy is a legitimate scientific pursuit, evolution is a lie, religious freedom is not necessary in the United States, the abiotic oil/no peak oil theory, climate change is not occuring, and that basic biological sciences are hiding the truth about abortion.

America, this is what you voted for. You voted for stupidity and conspiracy theory in the highest echelons of our Government. You voted to be "tough on them liberals!" and elected people who have less knowledge about the topic they govern than a fifth grade student learns in Science class.

This, right here, is why our nation will become second world in terms of technology and science.

But yeah. You guys go with Christ.


And don't ignore the cyclical ramifications that feed back into the derp. As America loses it's position as a leader in technology and manufacturing, the jobs associated with them go overseas (still fed by our consumerist dollars). As the country declines in every relevant way, they'll blame it on the lack of "Christ's Law", continuing to vote for and push an agenda that further suppresses science and technology, further leading to our decline.

/But yeah, the point of the Bible was that the self-righteous shall inherit the earth, and beat down those libtards!
//Or something close to that
2012-10-07 12:24:32 PM
1 votes:
The ocean current that travels past that island comes from China, yet so many libs blaming America.
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2012-10-07 12:21:26 PM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: I breathe out carbon dioxide. My trees and grass fields love it. They give me back oxygen.


I drink water. Obviously drowning is impossible and it's just made up by lifeguards trying to get money.
2012-10-07 12:18:40 PM
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: If the climatologists were really worried about global warming, you'd think they'd support re-sequestering greenhouse gases. But instead, they insist that we can't seek any sort of engineered solution to global warming, because that wouldn't correct the disgusting producer/consumer behavior of our industrialized society. Better to let the human race die out than be tainted by the sins of biological imperatives, I guess.


That was complete and utter bullshiat and I'm fairly certain you know it.
2012-10-07 11:43:42 AM
1 votes:
No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.
2012-10-07 10:51:14 AM
1 votes:
Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is a Devil-worshipping commie lie! Move along.
 
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