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(The New York Times)   On a tiny island off Washington State, scientist find an acidic ocean, linked to rising carbon dioxide levels, as well as fewer mussels, barnacles, and seabirds. So, yes, everybody should panic   (nytimes.com) divider line 151
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2012-10-07 10:51:14 AM
Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is a Devil-worshipping commie lie! Move along.
 
2012-10-07 10:52:00 AM
Who the uses the term "bellweather" in this day and age. I must've read 10,000 books in my day, and I've never come across it.
 
2012-10-07 11:43:42 AM
No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.
 
2012-10-07 12:03:34 PM

Krymson Tyde: No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.


I have to admit to having a dream sometimes where Jesus returns to bring the end times. He looks around at the poor, the hungry and the sick, and then at the gleaming churches of those who pray in his name and the politicians who praise him in every speech.

Then he sits down with a bunch of scientists at a local bar, orders a beer and says "OK- you're the smart ones. Explain to me WTF happened anyway? 'Cause frankly I'm pretty confused"
 
2012-10-07 12:07:19 PM
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R.I.P. TATTOOINE
 
2012-10-07 12:08:25 PM

doglover: Who the uses the term "bellweather" in this day and age. I must've read 10,000 books in my day, and I've never come across it.


1) It's bellwether
2) Were they coloring books?
 
2012-10-07 12:09:03 PM
There is only one thing to do. BLAME CANADA.
 
2012-10-07 12:09:05 PM
They found an ocean on an island? Interesting.
 
2012-10-07 12:10:54 PM
If the climatologists were really worried about global warming, you'd think they'd support re-sequestering greenhouse gases. But instead, they insist that we can't seek any sort of engineered solution to global warming, because that wouldn't correct the disgusting producer/consumer behavior of our industrialized society. Better to let the human race die out than be tainted by the sins of biological imperatives, I guess.
 
2012-10-07 12:13:58 PM
There's an ocean on an island? How did they do that?
 
2012-10-07 12:15:07 PM
Oh yes, you should worry as an American, a taxpayer, and a human being.

You see, the people who are in charge of this kind of thing - the investigation and mitigation of it - are the Representatives who make up the House Science Committee.

A committee made up of a large amount of people who believe that, among other things, Climate Science and Evolution are satanic, liberal lies that have no place in the United States Government.

Representative Paul Broun, stating that basic biological and general sciences are "lies from the pits of hell themselves"

Representative Todd Akin, who besides his "legtimate rape" comment, believes evolution and climate science are conspiracies.

There are other members of the science committee who believe, among other things - homeopathy is a legitimate scientific pursuit, evolution is a lie, religious freedom is not necessary in the United States, the abiotic oil/no peak oil theory, climate change is not occuring, and that basic biological sciences are hiding the truth about abortion.

America, this is what you voted for. You voted for stupidity and conspiracy theory in the highest echelons of our Government. You voted to be "tough on them liberals!" and elected people who have less knowledge about the topic they govern than a fifth grade student learns in Science class.

This, right here, is why our nation will become second world in terms of technology and science.

But yeah. You guys go with Christ.
 
2012-10-07 12:16:14 PM

Krymson Tyde: No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.


I, as an atheist, wouldn't mind if Jesus stopped by to pick up all his believers. It's a nice fantasy, anyway.

i560.photobucket.com
 
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2012-10-07 12:16:50 PM

Tatterdemalian: If the climatologists were really worried about global warming, you'd think they'd support re-sequestering greenhouse gases. But instead, they insist that we can't seek any sort of engineered solution to global warming, because that wouldn't correct the disgusting producer/consumer behavior of our industrialized society. Better to let the human race die out than be tainted by the sins of biological imperatives, I guess.


Bullshiat. They don't say anything remotely like that.
 
2012-10-07 12:17:14 PM

Jacobin: There's an ocean on an island? How did they do that?


It's a small ocean
 
2012-10-07 12:18:12 PM

Via Infinito: Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is a Devil-worshipping commie lie! Move along.


No no no... it is a global conspiracy designed to sell Al Gore's book. Unless... Al Gore IS a devil worshipping communist. Oh man, it goes deeper than I thought...
 
2012-10-07 12:18:26 PM
I breathe out carbon dioxide. My trees and grass fields love it. They give me back oxygen.
 
2012-10-07 12:18:31 PM
Maybe this would be something that could be shared around if it weren't paragraph after paragraph of meandering garbage around a fairly scary and important set of findings.
 
2012-10-07 12:18:40 PM

Tatterdemalian: If the climatologists were really worried about global warming, you'd think they'd support re-sequestering greenhouse gases. But instead, they insist that we can't seek any sort of engineered solution to global warming, because that wouldn't correct the disgusting producer/consumer behavior of our industrialized society. Better to let the human race die out than be tainted by the sins of biological imperatives, I guess.


That was complete and utter bullshiat and I'm fairly certain you know it.
 
2012-10-07 12:19:32 PM
Obviously, this was caused by gay marriage and the teaching of evolution.
 
2012-10-07 12:21:23 PM

Rihlsul: Maybe this would be something that could be shared around if it weren't paragraph after paragraph of meandering garbage around a fairly scary and important set of findings.


I read it as a veiled cry for help on behalf of the two kids. I bet they get carrots for dessert too.

/"Pfister? I just met her!"
 
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2012-10-07 12:21:26 PM

Clemkadidlefark: I breathe out carbon dioxide. My trees and grass fields love it. They give me back oxygen.


I drink water. Obviously drowning is impossible and it's just made up by lifeguards trying to get money.
 
2012-10-07 12:23:30 PM

Tatterdemalian: If the climatologists were really worried about global warming, you'd think they'd support re-sequestering greenhouse gases. But instead, they insist that we can't seek any sort of engineered solution to global warming, because that wouldn't correct the disgusting producer/consumer behavior of our industrialized society. Better to let the human race die out than be tainted by the sins of biological imperatives, I guess.


Um, except that any current CCS technology is so energy intensive that it's not viable... except planting trees. But sure, blame the scientists.
 
2012-10-07 12:24:32 PM
The ocean current that travels past that island comes from China, yet so many libs blaming America.
 
2012-10-07 12:25:10 PM
Is this the "chicken little effect?"
 
2012-10-07 12:25:42 PM

Uncle Tractor: Krymson Tyde: No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.

I, as an atheist, wouldn't mind if Jesus stopped by to pick up all his believers. It's a nice fantasy, anyway.


If for some strange reason Jesus does exist, I would love to see the faces on all the hypocritical "followers" when they find out they aren't going with him.
Especially anyone with a NOTW sticker on the back window of their SUV.
 
2012-10-07 12:27:11 PM

Clemkadidlefark: I breathe out carbon dioxide. My trees and grass fields love it. They give me back oxygen.


And a certain level of carbon dioxide is required for your continued existence! Clearly that means you need to put a plastic bag over your head, and breathe more of it!

And along that logic...

100% Oxygen is totally safe for you to breathe long-term, because you LIVE ON IT, you see! You should go breathe it all the time now.
 
2012-10-07 12:31:30 PM
This is what I don't get.

I can understand the oil companies and CEOs of any corporation who wants zero regulation on anything they do pretending to deny global warming. To do otherwise would be to fail their gods, the shareholders.But why do the rest of you fight so hard against what scientists who know a lot more than you do have to say?

I have no vested interest in the issue either way but I tend to believe what the scientific community has to say over those whose own personal financial gain depends on them denying science.
 
2012-10-07 12:32:01 PM

Via Infinito: Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is a Devil-worshipping commie lie! Move along.


Go drive your Lamborghini into your olympic-side swimming pool you scientist bastard.
 
2012-10-07 12:34:46 PM
FTA: It was also once a whaling base for the Makah tribe, who maintain treaty rights to the land.
When was the last time the Makah tribe sacrificed a virgin to the sea? Maybe the Gods are angry?
 
2012-10-07 12:35:32 PM
Lighthouse George is very concerned.

Not obscure if you teach middle grades.
 
2012-10-07 12:36:29 PM

BronyMedic: Oh yes, you should worry as an American, a taxpayer, and a human being.

You see, the people who are in charge of this kind of thing - the investigation and mitigation of it - are the Representatives who make up the House Science Committee.

A committee made up of a large amount of people who believe that, among other things, Climate Science and Evolution are satanic, liberal lies that have no place in the United States Government.

Representative Paul Broun, stating that basic biological and general sciences are "lies from the pits of hell themselves"

Representative Todd Akin, who besides his "legtimate rape" comment, believes evolution and climate science are conspiracies.

There are other members of the science committee who believe, among other things - homeopathy is a legitimate scientific pursuit, evolution is a lie, religious freedom is not necessary in the United States, the abiotic oil/no peak oil theory, climate change is not occuring, and that basic biological sciences are hiding the truth about abortion.

America, this is what you voted for. You voted for stupidity and conspiracy theory in the highest echelons of our Government. You voted to be "tough on them liberals!" and elected people who have less knowledge about the topic they govern than a fifth grade student learns in Science class.

This, right here, is why our nation will become second world in terms of technology and science.

But yeah. You guys go with Christ.


And don't ignore the cyclical ramifications that feed back into the derp. As America loses it's position as a leader in technology and manufacturing, the jobs associated with them go overseas (still fed by our consumerist dollars). As the country declines in every relevant way, they'll blame it on the lack of "Christ's Law", continuing to vote for and push an agenda that further suppresses science and technology, further leading to our decline.

/But yeah, the point of the Bible was that the self-righteous shall inherit the earth, and beat down those libtards!
//Or something close to that
 
2012-10-07 12:39:16 PM

Mugato: But why do the rest of you fight so hard against what scientists who know a lot more than you do have to say?


Dunning-Kruger is a powerful thing. Especially when your sensibilities are hurt by someone telling you that you don't know as much as they do on a topic. Especially when it's someone you don't know.

In addition, people don't like their world view challenged, especially when that world view has been groomed by liars and snakes behind the pulpit all of their lives. God and Jesus will provide, you see. The world is going to end soon, and Jesus is coming back for the true followers - 85% of Americans (in their mind), so why do they need to care about the next 50 years? It could be tommorow, after all.

People like feeling smart. They like being intelligent, and knowing more than other people. They like knowing their world view is right.

And then you get someone who comes to them, tells them they don't have a CLUE what they're talking about, that they are completely and utterly wrong, and that their bible is irrelevant in this case, that there is a REAL problem that needs to be dealt with, and Jesus isn't the answer to it.

In other words, you're combatting human nature it's self. You're trying to be rational to someone who believes his ignorance is JUST as good as your intelligence. The downfall of a democratic society.
 
2012-10-07 12:40:46 PM
Americans won't care about global warming until chicken nuggets and hamburgers are permanently kicked off the dollar menu.
 
2012-10-07 12:42:12 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-07 12:42:13 PM
A story in the NYTimes about global warming?

Yeah, no agenda here.
 
2012-10-07 12:43:02 PM

Tatterdemalian: If the climatologists were really worried about global warming, you'd think they'd support re-sequestering greenhouse gases. But instead, they insist that we can't seek any sort of engineered solution to global warming, because that wouldn't correct the disgusting producer/consumer behavior of our industrialized society. Better to let the human race die out than be tainted by the sins of biological imperatives, I guess.


Oh, is that the latest Teabagger spin? "OK, there is climate change, but since you mention some solutions that are socialistic like conservation, your arguments are entirely invalidated and nullified."
 
2012-10-07 12:44:10 PM

born_yesterday:
/But yeah, the point of the Bible was that the self-righteous shall inherit the earth


"every man for himself" wait that's Buddhism.

/as a consumer of tasty tasty mussels this news sucks
 
2012-10-07 12:44:53 PM

USP .45: The ocean current that travels past that island comes from China, yet so many libs blaming America.


so you're saying that environmental regulation is not only necessary - it works too? great!
 
2012-10-07 12:44:57 PM
Please select one or more as appropriate:

1. There's no proof climate change is happening! Scientists must just be mismeasuring the temperature! Besides, it snowed in Canada!
2. There's no proof that climate change is man-made! It's just a natural cycle of the earth!
3. There's no proof climate change is a bad thing! I don't like it when it's cold outside anyway!
4. The government needs to butt out of our business! Surely companies acting in their own best interests will solve the problem themselves. It's the invisible hand or something!
4. The federal government needs to butt out of our business and leave it up to the states! Just because the cost of environmental decisions in one state is paid for by neighboring states doesn't mean they'll somehow all work it out in everyone's interest!
5. God made us to have dominion over the earth! We shouldn't let the needs of other animals dictate the way we live our lives!
6. Yeah, we might be destroying the earth, and maybe should do something about it. But I won't pay a cent in new taxes, fees, or any other costs to do anything about it!
7. LIEBERALS!11!!!
 
2012-10-07 12:45:55 PM

born_yesterday: And don't ignore the cyclical ramifications that feed back into the derp. As America loses it's position as a leader in technology and manufacturing, the jobs associated with them go overseas (still fed by our consumerist dollars). As the country declines in every relevant way, they'll blame it on the lack of "Christ's Law", continuing to vote for and push an agenda that further suppresses science and technology, further leading to our decline.


THIS.

And you know what's sad? Cutting even part of the defense appropriations which make up, along with medicare, the majority of the yearly budget expenditure of the United States, and putting them into Science and Education is completely verboten. Because some imaginary enemy of our freedoms is just waiting out there to invade and take us over, despite no army on earth having that capability. (The Chinese MIGHT come close, but this isn't a Michael Bay movie, and the chinese have no massive sealift/airlift capabilities.)

We waste more in the Military each year than we spend on basic sciences and educating our children. Let that sink in, America.

All because some arrogant, elderly asshole in Washington, who's been in his position for DECADES thanks to the lack of term limits, thinks it's America's divine, Christ-given position to police the world, and that America is the exception to the rule that as we defund and ignore the arts and sciences, they won't rush overseas to fertile funding grounds.
 
2012-10-07 12:47:18 PM

Rip Dashrock: If for some strange reason Jesus does exist, I would love to see the faces on all the hypocritical "followers" when they find out they aren't going with him.


No, no. He can have them. Anything that gets them far away from me.
 
2012-10-07 12:53:27 PM

BronyMedic: born_yesterday: And don't ignore the cyclical ramifications that feed back into the derp. As America loses it's position as a leader in technology and manufacturing, the jobs associated with them go overseas (still fed by our consumerist dollars). As the country declines in every relevant way, they'll blame it on the lack of "Christ's Law", continuing to vote for and push an agenda that further suppresses science and technology, further leading to our decline.

THIS.

And you know what's sad? Cutting even part of the defense appropriations which make up, along with medicare, the majority of the yearly budget expenditure of the United States, and putting them into Science and Education is completely verboten. Because some imaginary enemy of our freedoms is just waiting out there to invade and take us over, despite no army on earth having that capability. (The Chinese MIGHT come close, but this isn't a Michael Bay movie, and the chinese have no massive sealift/airlift capabilities.)

We waste more in the Military each year than we spend on basic sciences and educating our children. Let that sink in, America.

All because some arrogant, elderly asshole in Washington, who's been in his position for DECADES thanks to the lack of term limits, thinks it's America's divine, Christ-given position to police the world, and that America is the exception to the rule that as we defund and ignore the arts and sciences, they won't rush overseas to fertile funding grounds.


I watched a forum of experts on CSPAN, regarding the Pentagon procurement process. Their insights into the amount of waste was very depressing.

The irony of it all, was that with better oversight, we could provide BETTER equipment and services to the troops while spending significantly LESS money.

Yet any talk of reducing defense spending is tantamount to treason.

Their conclusion was that the system won't change as long as Congress continues to benefit from the corruption.

And so here we are.
 
2012-10-07 12:56:17 PM

Huggermugger: Oh, is that the latest Teabagger spin? "OK, there is climate change, but since you mention some solutions that are socialistic like conservation, your arguments are entirely invalidated and nullified."


If the conservative philosophy was internally consistent they'd be the first people out there trying to preserve the environment as it is.
 
2012-10-07 01:03:04 PM

born_yesterday: I watched a forum of experts on CSPAN, regarding the Pentagon procurement process. Their insights into the amount of waste was very depressing.

The irony of it all, was that with better oversight, we could provide BETTER equipment and services to the troops while spending significantly LESS money.

Yet any talk of reducing defense spending is tantamount to treason.

Their conclusion was that the system won't change as long as Congress continues to benefit from the corruption.

And so here we are.


A huge problem is that there are no term limits. You have senators and representatives in some districts who have been in office for twenty, thirty, even forty years. There's no incentive for them to change their votes as long as they can pretend to kiss the asses of their constituents, many who will vote for them strictly because they have D or R behind their names.

Many Americans won't even research what they vote for. They vote because they're part of X party.

How do you think CNN and Fox News are so successful at information manipulation in the United States?
 
2012-10-07 01:06:22 PM

doglover: Who the uses the term "bellweather" in this day and age. I must've read 10,000 books in my day, and I've never come across it.


Interesting, I knew the term when I was in high school. Maybe you should read better books?
 
2012-10-07 01:08:53 PM

BronyMedic: America, this is what you voted for. You voted for stupidity and conspiracy theory in the highest echelons of our Government. You voted to be "tough on them liberals!" and elected people who have less knowledge about the topic they govern than a fifth grade student learns in Science class.



Okay so their research will continue, while they see if they can reach more convincing conclusions. In the meantime, in peer review even other scientists are questioning their tentative conclusions. No need to freak out and start lynching people just yet.

Science information isn't limited to just the U.S. The scientific community is global and it doesn't have to rest on just the U.S. to "save the world". If there is merit to their future research, it will be heard and discussed.

Greenhouse emissions aren't unique to the U.S. either. China emits about 50% more than the U.S., and the EU, collectively, is about equal to us. And some other nations like India and Brazil are starting to pick up the pace very rapidly.

If there is a problem, it isn't a U.S. only problem. And we won't be the only ones who have to try to fix it. So try not to have a coronary about it just yet.

/tree-hugging vegetarian liberal here
 
2012-10-07 01:12:36 PM
I already take me reusable bag to Whole Foods. What more can I do? :-)

Here are some notions. We need sustainable population growth. Caucaisans around the world are already doing there part. We are reproducing at less than replacement levels.
Those that are on board with saving the planet should find out what other races are over reproducing and start a campaign to rein them in.
We fly too much. Stop visiting Europe and South America. Make a pledge to never fly again.
Get rid of your car.
Until we see our liberal leaders changing their personal lifestyles, the population will not take it seriously.
 
2012-10-07 01:15:54 PM

Krymson Tyde: No reason to fret, Jesus will be here any day to take us all home.

Okay, not ALL of us.


Heaven is all the sweeter when you think about all those burning in hell.
 
2012-10-07 01:18:07 PM

born_yesterday: Via Infinito: Nothing to see here folks. Climate change is a Devil-worshipping commie lie! Move along.

Go drive your Lamborghini into your olympic-side swimming pool you scientist bastard.


You'll have to be much more precise. If he's really a scientist, he'll have at least 4 Lamborghinis and 3 olympic-side swimming pools. Do you want him to just guess which one to drive into where?
 
2012-10-07 01:19:20 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Okay so their research will continue, while they see if they can reach more convincing conclusions. In the meantime, in peer review even other scientists are questioning their tentative conclusions. No need to freak out and start lynching people just yet.


What scientists are questioning the climate consensus? What are these names, and what bodies do they represent?

What peer review has questioned that?

[Citation Needed]

ThrobblefootSpectre: Science information isn't limited to just the U.S. The scientific community is global and it doesn't have to rest on just the U.S. to "save the world". If there is merit to their future research, it will be heard and discussed.


And the global consensus is the same as the United States. Only in the United States, we have the unique gift of having our people elect Dominionists who believe that humans don't have the power to affect their environment.

ThrobblefootSpectre: Greenhouse emissions aren't unique to the U.S. either. China emits about 50% more than the U.S., and the EU, collectively, is about equal to us. And some other nations like India and Brazil are starting to pick up the pace very rapidly.


And this doesn't worry you in the least? We are producing more greenhouse emissions than at any point in recorded history, and we have legitimate and high quality scientific evidence that we are, either in part or in majority, responsable for this. Weather patterns are documented to be more extreme today than at any point in the past. Arctic and Antarctic ice is melting at the greatest rate ever. And you still don't see the problem here?

ThrobblefootSpectre: If there is a problem, it isn't a U.S. only problem. And we won't be the only ones who have to try to fix it. So try not to have a coronary about it just yet.


You're right. Why take care of something today when we can put it off until it's really a big, expensive problem down the road. It's not like this is a matter of national security, or anything. Oh, wait. You do realize that the concept of a resource war as the impetus for World War III is not just the product of the plot of Battlefield 2142, right?
 
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