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(Daily Mail)   Feminist blogger slams the 'Kissing Sailor' from the iconic 1945 Times Square photo as 'drunken predator', says it was a sexual assault   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 143
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2012-10-06 08:01:53 PM
14 votes:
Some unknown person with a blog says politics and social norms that she prefers should predate her birth.

Um, yeah, we'll get right on that.
2012-10-07 12:39:37 AM
12 votes:
Who cares?

67 years ago, a photo was snapped of a sailor kissing, without assent, a nurse. The photo isn't glorified as an artifact of romance - it's glorified as an impulsive celebration of the end of a war. Nearly seven decades ago.

Feel free to debate it, but it's a pointless debate because the photo was taken in that context, nearly seven decades ago. Attempting to pull the participants nearly seventy years into the future just so you can castigate one of them for not living up to the current social mores, instead of understanding that the appropriate context was nearly seventy years ago (you can't really repeat that enough) is, well, stupid.

And this is the problem with extremists - they see the entirety of the world, including its history, only through the lens of their own extremism. Extremists make piss-poor historians.
2012-10-07 12:38:34 AM
7 votes:

Krieghund: Well, she has a point that he didn't ask for consent.

But that doesn't mean that she was an unwilling participant.


Except, maybe she wasn't...

'It wasn't my choice to be kissed,' she said then. 'The guy just came over and grabbed!'

In a more recent interview Friedman recalled, 'That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me,' she told the New York Post.


And judging from the reactions of most Farkers today, she was right not to press charges or even just complain as one can just imagine how much sympathy she would have received in 1945...
2012-10-07 01:22:58 AM
6 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.


Someone who calls themselves a feminist shouldn't be using a term that was invented by Rush Limbaugh to insult any woman he disagrees with.
2012-10-07 12:45:02 AM
6 votes:
Man, if I'd lived through World War II and seen all the men go away and get killed, and then it was over, and they came back, you bet your ass they can kiss me. I'd be out in the streets jumping up and down and waiting for it.
2012-10-07 12:41:38 AM
6 votes:
media.thespec.com

5-to-1 that ten years from now, feminists will be calling this rape.
2012-10-07 12:13:13 AM
6 votes:
So they find some obscure blog written by a moron who calls herself as "feminist" and try to make it appear that this is the mainstream of feminist though, huh?

See, this is why we call it the "Daily Fail."
2012-10-06 08:16:15 PM
6 votes:
I would think that if she did not like it, she would not have met up with him several times over the years to discuss the photo.
2012-10-07 02:59:20 AM
5 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.



I hate this argument. Feminist blogs cover all sorts of things, and typically those issues are covered constantly. This sounds like a small piece by an independent blogger who was doing a piece on rape culture, and mentioned that glorifying an image of a woman being grabbed and kissed by a stranger against her will fits in with that narrative. It's a fair point.

The fact that this immediately devolved into ZOMG FEMINAZIS WHO JUST NEED TO GET LAID is boring, predictable, and a nice reminder that a good portion of the population is still really hostile to some pretty basic concepts of feminism that really shouldn't be up for debate at this point. Most people know by now that grabbing someone you don't know and kissing them without their permission isn't ok.
2012-10-07 01:11:15 AM
5 votes:
Wow. Author right or wrong, you all are proving the need for feminism in a big way.
2012-10-07 01:06:35 AM
5 votes:
To the Womynyst in question:

YES, WE GET IT, THE PENIS IS EVIL. I SHOULD BE CASTRATED AND KILLED BECAUSE I HAVE A PENIS REGARDLESS OF THE FACT THAT I RESPECT WOMEN AND HAVE NEVER ASSAULTED ANY OF THEM TO ANY DEGREE FOR ANY REASON EVER.

Respect women? I can do that.

You? You need to die. In a fire. You're not a woman. You're a hatemonger.

/hate is genderless.
//You're really good at hating.
2012-10-06 07:58:30 PM
5 votes:
That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.
2012-10-07 01:21:22 AM
4 votes:

Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?


Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?
2012-10-07 01:15:51 AM
4 votes:

Typhoid: Wow. Author right or wrong, you all are proving the need for feminism in a big way.


You can just see the pathetic types chomping at the bit to post one of their misogynist screeds in threads like this. Who knew some obscure blogger could be so powerful! See also: any thread about child support.
2012-10-07 12:55:54 AM
4 votes:
Better, real, also staged, but more recent:

itsconceivablenow.com
2012-10-07 12:38:34 AM
4 votes:
We found one upset person on the internet, therefore all feminists believe this and should lighten up and make the Daily Fail a damn sammich already.
2012-10-06 10:54:44 PM
4 votes:
My, my, that's a sandy vag.
2012-10-06 08:04:14 PM
4 votes:
Well, she has a point that he didn't ask for consent.

But that doesn't mean that she was an unwilling participant.
2012-10-07 12:07:07 PM
3 votes:

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.


Not sure if your a troll or for real, but you need a reality check. Take your values (and it doesn't matter what they are), everything you hold that you thinks makes you an upstanding and moral citizen. There isn't a time or place in this planet's history that would not condemn you for your values. As time goes on I can promise that you (and me and anyone else you can think of) too will be held in contempt for failing to live by the values of a generation that hasn't yet been born.

Your also full of crap that woman couldn't do things if they wanted during that time. I have female relatives that went to college, earned advanced degrees, worked in the work force and all they had to do was enroll and show up. Woman didn't /want/ to do those things and the battles of the original feminists were waged far more against their mothers than their fathers.

The feminists at the time had real battles that they fought, however you lack historical context and skewering history to fit your current political views only makes you look like a troll.

Quit being a judgmental and self righteous, it only makes you look like an ass.
2012-10-07 03:25:57 AM
3 votes:
Yea, this isn't worth it. I'm going to go back to watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer on netflix.
2012-10-07 02:23:21 AM
3 votes:
okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.
2012-10-07 01:54:54 AM
3 votes:

WMittensRomney: Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.


QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.
2012-10-07 01:43:44 AM
3 votes:

Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.
2012-10-07 01:38:02 AM
3 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: LOL! Mentioned this to my wife. Her statement: "Oh for crying out loud, why isn't she decrying the evils of Islam" (and, I presume, how they treat their women).

My wife is obviously a racist.

/didn't know that about her.


You have no wife. You didn't mention "this" to anyone. Your trolls suck post-Taco-Bell ass, your sense of shame is just, and you might think of acting upon it.
2012-10-07 01:32:49 AM
3 votes:
When female teachers suffer the same legal fates as male teachers when they fark their students, you have a right to biatch, feminazi.

Until then, enjoy your special protections, and if someone grabs you and kisses you to celebrate the fact they they no longer run the risk of a fiery death at the hands of a foreign power, STFU and be happy for the sonofabiatch. Maybe even kiss the poor farker back.
2012-10-07 01:16:40 AM
3 votes:
Oh and I just love how the blogger doesn't mention the women in the background also laughing gaily. Just the smiling men "enforcing the culture of rape."
2012-10-07 01:05:33 AM
3 votes:
This shiat has to stop:
* teachers can't hug children in distress
* touching co-workers when trying to communicate is verboten
* a pat on the adze at sporting events is harassment, not encouragement
* a kiss out of happiness is now sexual assault
2012-10-07 12:54:43 AM
3 votes:
How come we always hear about the supposed 'rape culture', which is brought up not because of any evidence that we actually have a 'rape culture' but instead when men make catcalls, or look at a woman too long, or there's an ad on tv that shows a woman in a bikini? For some reason, that's a "Rape culture"

But when at least three men shield their girlfriends from bullets in an Aurora theater, giving their LIVES to save them, we don't hear a peep about a "Chivalry culture" ?
2012-10-07 12:46:44 AM
3 votes:

APE992: janzee: Ummm... Wasn't this a staged photo?

No.

/ya mook


Actually, it was partially staged, according to the sailor (and Wikipedia):

In the August 14, 2007 issue of AM New York McDuffie said he passed five polygraph tests confirming his claim to be the man.[15] He says that on that day he was on the subway to Brooklyn to visit his girlfriend, Ardith Bloomfield.[15] He came out of the subway at Times Square, where people were celebrating in the streets. Excited that his brother, who was being held by the Japanese as a prisoner of war, would be released, McDuffie began hollering and jumping up and down. A nurse saw him, and opened her arms to him. In apparent conflict with Eisenstaedt's recollections of the event, McDuffie said he ran over to her and kissed her for a long time so that Eisenstaedt could take the photograph:

"I went over there and kissed her and saw a man running at us...I thought it was a jealous husband or boyfriend coming to poke me in the eyes. I looked up and saw he was taking the picture and I kissed her as long as took for him to take it."
2012-10-07 12:45:35 AM
3 votes:

cryinoutloud: Man, if I'd lived through World War II and seen all the men go away and get killed, and then it was over, and they came back, you bet your ass they can kiss me. I'd be out in the streets jumping up and down and waiting for it.


awesomesause
2012-10-07 12:35:01 AM
3 votes:
reverendogore.files.wordpress.com
2012-10-07 12:20:48 AM
3 votes:
Modern feminists really need to stop helping.
2012-10-06 11:27:37 PM
3 votes:
If there is ever a parade where our lady troops are celebrating saving the world, as they have since before that photo was taken, tell me where it will be. For I will take my little tin soldier there, salute them, and hope to be so lucky.
2012-10-06 08:54:38 PM
3 votes:
If you look at history with the evolved standards we have today you are doing yourselves a huge disservice. Many of the founding fathers owned slaves, yet no one calls them evil. It was a different time.
2012-10-06 07:52:43 PM
3 votes:
KHITBASH
2012-10-07 09:37:46 AM
2 votes:

Bill Evans at Mariposa: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FormlessOne: And, speaking of attention whoring, Wikipedia's article on the photo is already updated with the blogger's claim of sexual assault...

Seriously, I don't see that. Here's the link I'm reading; where is that claim?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square

That claim lasted in the Wikipedia article for six minutes before it was reverted. To see the claim, go here.


Thanks for that.

Just for the hell of it, I Googled "The Kissing Sailor, or 'The Selective Blindness of Rape" and got back 61,000 results. I'm thinking that, over the normal course of people quoting each other, it should be10X that by tonight. So this woman is getting the attention she craves.

Here's a statement that caught my eye from one of the sites.

http://eyelaa.tumblr.com/post/32937345002/the-kissing-sailor-or-the-s e lective-blindness-of-rape

"I am against all forms of oppression. Anyone who tries to suppress any faucet of the way I identify as a Bi, Bipolar, Agnostic, Black/German, Feminist, Woman shall have some problems..."

She forgot to add "dwarf", "nun" "biker"and "nazi".

Her next statement: "We are all human beings and we should unite as one species."

Wow. How could we possibly do that, splintered into tiny labeled groups?
2012-10-07 09:35:31 AM
2 votes:
She's making a really good point, which is probably why there are so many empty nasty replies here.
2012-10-07 08:39:33 AM
2 votes:
Why is anyone surprised by this? Feminism is a hate movement
2012-10-07 07:44:05 AM
2 votes:
You can always tell when a "movement" has jumped the shark when it starts running out of things to wipe it's ass on. Sadly, we're in about decade three of that. Ladies? The actual movement achieved it's goals rather early on. The billion dollar industry and "ewww wah!", entitlement and misandry fest it's become demeans us all. And I pity the cheapness of the dime store drama that those who carry on sifting through the ashes so keenly need to stir up.
2012-10-07 06:42:40 AM
2 votes:
theoutlaw: wage gap

is a complete myth that has been debunked so thoroughly and so many times that i am amazed people still parrot it.
2012-10-07 06:34:36 AM
2 votes:

Trillian Astra: I love when threads like this devolve into something horribly polarized

Should he have kissed a random woman? No. Just because it was a different time with different values and different norms, doesn't mean it was right.

Should we take the photo as a piece of history and stop trying to over analyze it? Definitely. For f*cks sake, it happened how long ago? It's a picture that has been turned into a piece of art and is therefore different things to different people. If someone wants to think it's romantic, let them.

Are women better off now than they were back in 40s as far as rights, power, and equality? Yes. The feminist movement has done a lot for women as far as rights and equality goes. There's still room for improvement, but it won't happen until some people realize not every feminist is a man-hating spinster and until other people realize not every man who has misconceptions about feminism is a misogynistic cad.

we say "fark feminism", which is just female over male chauvenism, and both sides embrace equalism.

However, I see your point. I was getting a kick out of how passionate both sides feel about this. I mean, it's a douchebag move to kiss a random person no matter how you spin it, but the woman was neither offended nor felt "assaulted" from what I can tell from reading the actual interview. People are just inserting their own feelings into it despite the fact that it has nothing to do with them. If it were me, I'd have punched him in the face and possibly even pressed charges, because again... douchebag move. But it didn't happen to me, so who the fark cares what I'd do? Who the fark cares what some other feminist thinks about it? It didn't happen to her! People should know that it's not a romantic scene of a couple kissing, simply because it's good to have the facts, but it should still be acknowledged as an iconic image of the end of an era, not torn apart by women like this idiot.
2012-10-07 06:21:36 AM
2 votes:
I love when threads like this devolve into something horribly polarized

Should he have kissed a random woman? No. Just because it was a different time with different values and different norms, doesn't mean it was right.

Should we take the photo as a piece of history and stop trying to over analyze it? Definitely. For f*cks sake, it happened how long ago? It's a picture that has been turned into a piece of art and is therefore different things to different people. If someone wants to think it's romantic, let them.

Are women better off now than they were back in 40s as far as rights, power, and equality? Yes. The feminist movement has done a lot for women as far as rights and equality goes. There's still room for improvement, but it won't happen until some people realize not every feminist is a man-hating spinster and until other people realize not every man who has misconceptions about feminism is a misogynistic cad.
2012-10-07 04:47:45 AM
2 votes:
The writer points to the smirks on the faces of other sailors seen in the background...

What about the "smirk" on the face of the old woman in the background on the right? Does that not count because she's a woman? You have two sailors with "smirks" that could actually be "smirking" at absolutely anything happening off-camera, but this chick hasn't bothered to think it that far through.

...the firm grasp around the physically smaller woman in Mendonsa's arms keeping her from escaping...

He does have a rather tight grip on her, but that doesn't say anything, either, it doesn't mean that he's some kind of sexual predator.

...the woman's clenched first and limp body.

Clenched fist? Sorry lady, judging from your blog's name, it seems like you're already acquainted with fisting, but the nurse is doing it wrong either way. "Limp"? I don't know, he's swept her backward, and it is a fraction of a second. I'm pretty sure she stood on her own immediately afterwards...

Here, let's look at it this way: I'm a Steelers fan. In 2006, I went for a Super Bowl party at a bar outside of Phoenix that rented tents and made it a 3,000 person Steelers bar for the game. After the winning score, som every hot chick randomly ran over to me and gave me a very firm, enjoyable smack on the ass. It was a heat of the moment thing, and nowhere NEAR the announcement that WWII was over, but I still didn't run out of the building screaming "Rape!"

Look, I get it. Women have been getting the short end of the stick for most of known history, and guys get away with a lot of shiat, but it's crap like this that makes everyone instantly tune out when they hear the term "feminist". Find some current events to get your panties in a bunch over, the picture speaks volumes about the excitement and relief over stopping brutal dictators bent on subjugating the entire planet. Maybe you should take things in context, buy some new AA batteries and a bottle of wine, and have a nice quiet night at home.

Come morning, you should find something happening NOW to get worked up over, there are plenty of things occurring dailythat are worthy of your attention.
2012-10-07 04:06:49 AM
2 votes:
Modern feminists are professional trolls.
2012-10-07 03:48:50 AM
2 votes:
OMG someone did something 70 years ago in a once in lifetime end of a world war celebration that tots offends me.

This_is_an_outrage.jpg

Absurd feminists are absurd. If the lady being kissed wasn't offended, who the hell are you to hijack this into some bullshiat cause of yours seven decades after the fact? Get over yourselves.
2012-10-07 03:22:26 AM
2 votes:

doglover: Genevieve Marie: doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.


You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.

What's that? You'll have to speak up. I'm afraid I couldn't hear the bit where men could just rape strangers with impunity and women were forced to bend over to whomever whenever over the sound of how awesome she was: Christine Granville

If we're cherry pick, make broad generalizations, and talk off topic based on tertiary issues it's going both ways. My super sexy man-eating spy with a her buck knife is more man than the guy from 300. She's from the era in question. Your facts, while commendable, are from a full generation later.

So I again posit there is no evidence for women of the 40's being mere sex slaves for the glorious male-ster race because it was not the case, nor was it ever in The United States.



... My facts were that marital rape was legal in the U.S. in the 1940s and that women whose partners were violent often couldn't leave the marriage. Those are facts that affected all kinds of women.  Rape was also a whole hell of a lot more difficult  to prosecute then in general- you had to pretty much be a white virgin or get the shiat kicked out of you to even get near a court room.

And to refute that, you bring up the fact that there were a handful of women who lived unconventional lives and didn't live under the rules that were common at the time for most other women, and therefore my argument is invalid?

....
 
Seriously?
2012-10-07 03:06:47 AM
2 votes:
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the term "rape culture" is only ever used by reactionary clowns?
2012-10-07 03:00:00 AM
2 votes:

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.

But then again, I'm betting that you're one of those assholes who believes that there is rape, and then there is rape-rape.


You see folks, it is HER fault. Stupid woman who grew up in the depression and survived World War 2. It ain't about what she believes. We don't care about what she believes. It is what 2words1finger thinks!

Post again asshat.
2012-10-07 02:55:52 AM
2 votes:

MadSkillz: Absolutely correct. Not sure the guy is a "drunken predator" but his action did not respect her rights; it's like slapping a waitress on the ass. Doesn't matter if it's the Nineteen-Fourties, it's still wrong.


teaandpolitics.files.wordpress.com

Oh wait, 1940s? Thanks for your Concern.
2012-10-07 02:44:27 AM
2 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.


Well said.

There are women out there right now being raped and beaten by their husbands. Why the fark are these 'feminists' focusing on something that happened 70 years ago?
2012-10-07 02:41:52 AM
2 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: StreetlightInTheGhetto: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.

Wait wait wait! You CLAIM to be a feminist yet you use a term (feminazi) coined and used almost exclusively by Rush Limbaugh? Something doesn't add up here!


I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.
2012-10-07 02:25:54 AM
2 votes:

my herniated disc: okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.


Because Japan surrenders every farking day, right boss?
2012-10-07 02:18:19 AM
2 votes:

WhippingBoy: GAT_00: Modern feminists really need to stop helping.

The above statement (which I wholeheartedly agree with) sums up the modern feminist movement quite nicely.

/modern feminists are their own worst enemy


Modern feminists are a lot like Christians... they sit back and let the most batshiat insane people they can find represent their cause, then wonder why they have such a major PR problem.
2012-10-07 02:09:25 AM
2 votes:

halfof33: 2words1finger: Wow, there sure are a lot of people here who seem to believe that there's nothing wrong with a little sexual assault. I hope to god that none of you have children or is able to procreate.

Seriously.

actually, there is a wee bit of difference between people challenging the claim that it was sexual assault and people claiming that there is nothing wrong with it.


If after reading the entire article, particularly the parts where Greta Friedman clearly relates how she was not a willing participant, you don't see how this was without a doubt sexual assault, then you're one of the people I'm talking about. Please go pull a David Carradine in your closet post haste.
2012-10-07 02:06:07 AM
2 votes:

fluffy2097: feffer: QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.

Kisses are not always sexual they can be used to express joy and non sexual love.

/do you kiss your mother with that mindset? ಠ_ಠ


Assault is totally cool if you do it out of joy!
2012-10-07 01:50:46 AM
2 votes:

GORDON: biatch just needs a good deep dickin.


No, people need to just stop listening to her.

You never, ever stick your dick in crazy.

Some men claim the sex is worth it. It is not worth it. It is never worth it.
2012-10-07 01:28:58 AM
2 votes:
Wow, there sure are a lot of people here who seem to believe that there's nothing wrong with a little sexual assault. I hope to god that none of you have children or is able to procreate.

Seriously.
2012-10-07 12:53:07 AM
2 votes:
fark pretty much everyone in this thread right now
2012-10-07 12:51:04 AM
2 votes:

Parmenius: Why do we pay so much attention to the clinically insane?


Daily Fail knows that controversy sells. The clinically insane adore attention and are happy to generate controversy to get it. Ergo, the Daily Fail is happy to report on the ramblings of the clinically insane - the insane git gets attention, the rag gets money, and there's Bigfoot nuggets for everybody!
2012-10-07 12:44:56 AM
2 votes:
And, speaking of attention whoring, Wikipedia's article on the photo is already updated with the blogger's claim of sexual assault...
2012-10-06 08:46:46 PM
2 votes:
This from the Daily Fail? The paper run by the master of "double c*nting" Paul Dacre?
2012-10-06 07:58:50 PM
2 votes:
Goodness no. How will the Navy ever recover from such a besmirchment ?
2012-10-07 11:20:36 PM
1 votes:
Was he drunk? Then if so, it was rape. She raped him.

That's how it works.
2012-10-07 06:13:20 PM
1 votes:

2words1finger: Okay let me try this another way. Here's the scenario, you're a male walking down Main Street, USA celebrating some really good news. It could be that your local sports team just won the big game or that Osama Bin Laden was finally "dealt with", it doesn't matter. Other people are out in the streets celebrating too. You walk up to some random woman and force an embrace and kiss on her. Now answer me this people... what crime could you be charged with?

If you didn't answer at least with "attempted sexual assault" then you're either severely ignorant of the law or you're the kind of person who should probably be wearing one of those ankle GPS trackers and your name should be in some kind of public safety registry.

Maybe this blogger is some kind of "feminazi" douche, but her point is entirely accurate and valid. What that sailor did was wrong by any civilized standards because the woman, by her own admission, was not a willing participant. There is simply no way that any reasonable person could disagree with this, and I'm not basing that solely on my own opinion of the matter, but rather on the standards of our civil society.



And in 1945, those laws didn't exist. It was a different time, different standards of civilized society.

So, dumbass blogger needs to either find a modern picture depicting the same type of behavior, of STFU and go back to whining about the oppressive patriarchy.

/this kind of bullshiat is the same reason that old Looney Tunes cartoons have to be released with a disclaimer saying they're for "Adult collectors only". People want to layer their modern baggage onto things created in a different time without bothering to understand the culture that existed when these things were originally made.
2012-10-07 06:06:45 PM
1 votes:
Okay let me try this another way. Here's the scenario, you're a male walking down Main Street, USA celebrating some really good news. It could be that your local sports team just won the big game or that Osama Bin Laden was finally "dealt with", it doesn't matter. Other people are out in the streets celebrating too. You walk up to some random woman and force an embrace and kiss on her. Now answer me this people... what crime could you be charged with?

If you didn't answer at least with "attempted sexual assault" then you're either severely ignorant of the law or you're the kind of person who should probably be wearing one of those ankle GPS trackers and your name should be in some kind of public safety registry.

Maybe this blogger is some kind of "feminazi" douche, but her point is entirely accurate and valid. What that sailor did was wrong by any civilized standards because the woman, by her own admission, was not a willing participant. There is simply no way that any reasonable person could disagree with this, and I'm not basing that solely on my own opinion of the matter, but rather on the standards of our civil society.

Now, if you want to be a smartass and reply with a bunch of name-calling or irrational arguments that's just fine with me so long as you understand that I will respond in kind.
2012-10-07 05:05:37 PM
1 votes:

2words1finger: onyxruby: 2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.

Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.

Psst.... just so you know, it has nothing to do with having an "I am the only authority" attitude, and everything to do with farking with this halfof33 jackass who started our argument in the first place. That kind of thing is fun to me. Sorry you got caught in the crossfire. If you don't like it though, I would very civilly suggest that you butt the fark out.


You look like a moron to everyone that read this thread. It's way too late to act like you're some criminal mastermind pulling the strings of another hapless farker, as that is clearly nowhere near the truth of the matter. Halfof33 came out looking far superior to you in pretty much every respect, as did another dozen posters who engaged your nonsense. I understand you're just trying to save face now, but it's game over time.

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2012-10-07 04:06:34 PM
1 votes:
Those of you who believe "rape culture" is the dominant social construct of our day, or really anything beyond semantically null academic verbage:

Please just never talk to me ever, okay? Neither of us could possibly benefit from any interaction.

Thanks.
2012-10-07 03:48:59 PM
1 votes:
FTFA

"The kissing 'couple' have met several times over the years. Most recently, the two reunited in mid-August to talk about the photograph."

Because everyone knows that people enjoy meeting with the one who traumatized them and make every effort to maintain a public relationship with them. Come on people, use your heads. Think about what you are reading, don't just react to it.
2012-10-07 03:30:16 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: JesusJuice: Skullduggery: Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.

Get over yourself. If we win a world war and a sailor(for some unknowabke reason) decides to kiss you, you let him because frankly, he IS entitled.

What if the sailor is the same sex as you?
What if he has herpes?

Just curious how entitled he is. Tongue? Groping?

Is there a window in which he is entitled and then it stops? How long is it?


Alright, how about: "Following the cessation of hostilities for any conflict in which >250,000 military personnel lost their lives, military service members who were part of said conflict may kiss, using no more than 2 inches of tongue, any one individual they so choose for up to 24 hours after the conflict's conclusion or they rotate back to their home country. Kiss entitlements are revoked in all cases wherein the recipient of the kiss is potentially endangered (ie the service member has herpes). The touching non-genital areas over the clothes during these kisses is permitted."

That seems fair
2012-10-07 02:32:02 PM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: LostGuy: Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either

Thats the thing. We see in this thread a lot of people saying "nah it isn't a comment on sexism and this feminazi ia making things up" but then you read the dozens of posts saying it's ok to do that. Of course, this IS just the internet. One can't believe everything they read.


You're missing the point.

There are two parts to this. The photo itself and what happened before the photo.

Yes, the guy apparently kissed the nurse without her explicit verbal consent. We can debate if that's bad, good, wrong, true, false, etc.

The blogger is saying that the picture is a symbol of rape culture and that peopel are idolizing a sexual assault. That's just pants on retarded.
99.99999% of the people think the picture is about a couple separated by war, not two complete strangers. For example: Myself. Until today I didn't know they weren't a couple.
2012-10-07 02:23:08 PM
1 votes:

2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.


Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.
2012-10-07 01:48:38 PM
1 votes:

Great Odins Raven: By today's standards. no this is not ok...but thats not the point is it?


Well, it kinda is, since the image gets reused in many contexts:
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2012-10-07 01:35:16 PM
1 votes:
Author may sound shrill, but she has a point. You don't just grab random strangers on the street and stick your tongue down their throats.
2012-10-07 12:46:10 PM
1 votes:

knowless: Lol, another reason why a once sane member of society is now a misanthropic misogynist.


I've been on Fark on ten years and I never realized before I got here how much some men hate women. Just because some woman "did them wrong" at some point, and they never farking get over it. Or maybe for no reason at all, it's just a convenient target. In my infinite naivete, I assumed that most men actually respected women as people. Haha. Ha.

That's funny--I was done way more wrong by a man than most people who post here, and yet I've somehow managed to not hate every man in the world, or even blame them for every bad thing in my life. So there you go. I guess we're even. No, actually--I win. Carry on, losers.

fluffy2097: This whore wasn't even a twinkle in her fathers eyes when the war ended.
We talk about 2000 soldiers dying in Iraq as massive casualties. During the great war, you could have that many people die in a single day, and they did, on a regular basis, for farking years.
That sailor was probably hugging and kissing dudes too, he was glad to have beaten the odds and farking lived.


This. Now I know none of us were around during World War II, but can you imagine what the atmosphere was like when something like that ended? We have no way of relating to that scene; there is nothing in our lifetimes that was like that--where so many people were being killed, where everyone was involved in some way in this horrible thing that was, right then, over. The war was over.

Kissing in the streets? shiat, I bet there was a lot more than that going on. it was like a joy riot.
2012-10-07 12:15:05 PM
1 votes:

onyxruby: Not sure if your a troll or for real, but you need a reality check. Take your values (and it doesn't matter what they are), everything you hold that you thinks makes you an upstanding and moral citizen. There isn't a time or place in this planet's history that would not condemn you for your values. As time goes on I can promise that you (and me and anyone else you can think of) too will be held in contempt for failing to live by the values of a generation that hasn't yet been born.


It's funny because it's true.

If, for example, he's an atheist, he'd be condemned for being an immoral heathen lol.
2012-10-07 11:36:37 AM
1 votes:
It really does look like she's being kissed without wanting to be. It may not be sexual assault, but it is inappropriate. He shouldn't have kissed her. But clearly neither of them thinks it's a real big thing, so let it go. The photo has some historical value, but that doesn't mean everyone in it has to be a saint.
2012-10-07 11:33:35 AM
1 votes:
Damn, I guess I was actually sexually assaulted by that chick that planted a big one on me at a St Patricks Day party a couple of years back.

/That or I assaulted her because she was drunk.
//Gets confused about how this whole 'Rape Culture' thing works
2012-10-07 11:28:26 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: You need to brush up on your legal system if you think spontaneous unwanted physical contact is ok as long as the aggressor didn't plan it as a step towards rape.


Define "ok".

And, newsflash: Spontaneous unwanted physical contact happens thousands, if not millions of times, everyday on this country alone.
2012-10-07 10:29:31 AM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.


I hate this argument. Feminist blogs cover all sorts of things, and typically those issues are covered constantly. This sounds like a small piece by an independent blogger who was doing a piece on rape culture, and mentioned that glorifying an image of a woman being grabbed and kissed by a stranger against her will fits in with that narrative. It's a fair point.

The fact that this immediately devolved into ZOMG FEMINAZIS WHO JUST NEED TO GET LAID is boring, predictable, and a nice reminder that a good portion of the population is still really hostile to some pretty basic concepts of feminism that really shouldn't be up for debate at this point. Most people know by now that grabbing someone you don't know and kissing them without their permission isn't ok.


No, it's not.

100% of the people looking at the picture think it's a couple who was separated due to the war and were getting reunited.

And the whole "he grab her without her permission". Okay, maybe it's true. But how do you equate that to "sexual assault"? It was an impromptu. A spur of the moment. It's something that happens every now and then, both males and females do it.

I got kissed by a girl when our school won the state championship. what? Was it sexual assault or because she was female it changes everything?

Our legal system recognizes both intent and premeditation as elements of a crime, this kiss had none. It wasn't something he planned (thus can't be a "predator") and it apparently wasn't something he intended to be more than that.
2012-10-07 09:12:03 AM
1 votes:

Virtue: Why is anyone surprised by this? Feminism is a hate movement


Stupid women thinking that all humans should be treated equally...
What a bunch of violent, hateful thugs.
2012-10-07 08:40:40 AM
1 votes:

feffer: WMittensRomney: Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.

QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.


Neither does it show after the kiss what her reaction is to him. Does she smile and laugh and understand the moment or does she want to hit him. depending on her reaction after kiss is just as important as the kiss
2012-10-07 06:34:37 AM
1 votes:
He did something that would have been unacceptable then and now, however: a) war had just finished, making the circumstances just a tad unusual, and b) it was only a damn kiss. Something that, even today, although you might not believe it when all you do is read policor morality disguised as newspaper columns, people easily get over with.
2012-10-07 04:55:06 AM
1 votes:

Christian Bale: But when at least three men shield their girlfriends from bullets in an Aurora theater, giving their LIVES to save them, we don't hear a peep about a "Chivalry culture" ?


No, because feminists think that acts of chivalry are really just outdated ideas of male dominance over the "weaker sex".

/That is, until one of these die hard feminists gets her life saved by a chivalrous act...
2012-10-07 04:34:28 AM
1 votes:

WMittensRomney: Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.


Well, it also depends on *how* she said all those things. The tone she used. Which is something that a journalist might be more aware of than you - you just see them in print. I mean, in your mind, complete what she said with something along the lines of: "and now we've just celebrated our fiftieth aniversery." and the whole monologue becomes very different all of a sudden. And even if she wasn't all glowy when she said those words, people can take care of themselves - well, that generation could anyway. Now, seemingly, it's just lack of strength and responsibility all the way down.
2012-10-07 04:24:54 AM
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.


Pretty much this. The daily fail went looking for some wingnut to be outraged about, found one, and shared their poutrage with their pantshiatting outrage whore readers.
2012-10-07 04:17:35 AM
1 votes:

towatchoverme: thunderbird8804: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the term "rape culture" is only ever used by reactionary clowns?

You mean academics in the humanities use broad, sweeping generalizations without basis in fact as the foundation of cultural, literary or historical analysis?

I am SHOCKED. Shocked, i say.


I've known plenty of brilliant minds in the humanities, and not a one of them bought into this sex negative horseshiat. I honestly have no idea what diploma mill is cranking out these pseudo-intellectuals, but its alumnus need to be banished to a colony somewhere.

/Seriously, "rape culture", farking collectivizing guilt for rape, how shallow and pathetic can people get?
2012-10-07 03:50:02 AM
1 votes:
In expressing her opinion, this so-called "feminist" so-called "woman" tarnished the sacrifice of soldiers who died for our freedoms. The sailor in question had just survived a bloody war to preserve the freedom and liberty of US citizens against outside coercion; any woman encountering the manly Blitzkrieg of such a fine warrior should know that the American way is to surrender and allow his tongue to breach her Maginot Line. God Bless.

Glittery crying eagle gif, stat.
2012-10-07 03:47:00 AM
1 votes:

thunderbird8804: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the term "rape culture" is only ever used by reactionary clowns?


You mean academics in the humanities use broad, sweeping generalizations without basis in fact as the foundation of cultural, literary or historical analysis?

I am SHOCKED. Shocked, i say.
2012-10-07 03:24:33 AM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.


You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.


so his argument is there doesn't appear to be evidence that men could walk up to random strangers and stick their dicks in them even in the 1940's and you come back with the argument that he is obviously unaware that perpetrators of rape back then were protected as long as they were married to the victim? I know you spent most of your time in the sociology department with the rest of the folks that couldn't hack actual science, but surely even you can do better than this.
2012-10-07 03:13:59 AM
1 votes:
Wow, girls suck at feminism
2012-10-07 03:12:23 AM
1 votes:
Fecking cry me a river. The nurse didn't get shot at with machine guns, depth charges, torpedoes, or gas.

Pretty much everyone was glad to see the boys come home, and boys they were. Keep in mind that they were inducted against their will into a situation where people try to kill them, to save the lives of the people at home.

If he had straight up demanded a BJ it would have been pretty much acceptable.

/Any other time, not so much.
2012-10-07 03:07:58 AM
1 votes:
And she's a cross between an attention whore and a farking twunt.
2012-10-07 03:05:26 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.



You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.
2012-10-07 03:04:09 AM
1 votes:

halfof33: MadSkillz: Absolutely correct. Not sure the guy is a "drunken predator" but his action did not respect her rights; it's like slapping a waitress on the ass. Doesn't matter if it's the Nineteen-Fourties, it's still wrong.

[teaandpolitics.files.wordpress.com image 225x300]

Oh wait, 1940s? Thanks for your Concern.


You can put the snark aside. I care for the rights of women today too. And pretty much everywhere where a particular religion runs things, women are treated as chattel and it's farking terrible.
2012-10-07 03:02:20 AM
1 votes:

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them.


Citation needed.

Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.
2012-10-07 03:02:03 AM
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: There is something to be said for the idea that when you let the little stuff go by without calling it out that you are maintaining the environment in which bigger shiat can thrive.

Sexism, racism, etc. grow in a person one bit at a time. Nip that shiat in the bud. (and said nipping doesn't require a federal case).



Exactly. Most feminists go back and forth between talking about the smaller things and the personal things and talking about the bigger picture.

And in predictable fashion, when we focus on the smaller things we get told to shut up because ZOMG NOT THAT BIG A DEAL and when we're talking about bigger issues, we get told that there's jack shiat we can do about it so we should also pretty much just shut up.

Yawn.
2012-10-07 02:59:54 AM
1 votes:
She needs to go and braid her pit hair.
2012-10-07 02:54:24 AM
1 votes:

retarded: Sounds to me like somebody needs to get laid.


A lot of somebody's
2012-10-07 02:50:48 AM
1 votes:

fluffy2097: feffer: Assault is totally cool if you do it out of joy!

You want to talk about assault? Fine. It's probably assault if you did it today. However, you still might be able to get away with it at a football game after your team won. Not because it's not assault, but because the person on the receiving end understands what all the celebrating is about.

We need to stay away from the notion that this was in any way sexual. It wasn't sexual. It was, 'AMERICA! FARK YEAH!'

/just full of phalocentric rapesplanation tonight.


No part of our culture has kissing like that as non-sexual.
2012-10-07 02:49:50 AM
1 votes:

my herniated disc: okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.


Absolutely correct. Not sure the guy is a "drunken predator" but his action did not respect her rights; it's like slapping a waitress on the ass. Doesn't matter if it's the Nineteen-Fourties, it's still wrong.
2012-10-07 02:43:14 AM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: You're funny. Also, you haven't been paying attention; I've mentioned my wife several dozen times in various threads ever since I started posting on Fark.

You're obviously stressed. Here's a blankey and your teddy. There's a quiet dark corner. Time for nappy!


It's so cute when they get upset that you aren't a basement dweller like they imagine. You say something like 'I mentioned this to my girlfriend/wife' which could just as well be 'sister/female coworker' and they go all forever alone and think you're bragging about your relationship and have actually made it up. It's free bonus trolling.
2012-10-07 02:33:19 AM
1 votes:

my herniated disc: okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.


If we just f*cking won World War III and you were out celebrating the defeat of North Korea, Venezuela, New Jersey, and Antarctica after four nearly 4 years of brutal war that cost millions of lives, and if you let her take you in his arms, then Hell F*cking Yeah, you let her stick her tongue down your throat! But bear in mind one very important thing, she could have stopped him, but she chose not to. She chose to let him kiss her, and you, too, could chose to not let that lesbian sailor play hockey with your tonsils. I suspect, that much like the author of the article, you need a really good, hard shagging.
2012-10-07 02:26:31 AM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.


Wait wait wait! You CLAIM to be a feminist yet you use a term (feminazi) coined and used almost exclusively by Rush Limbaugh? Something doesn't add up here!
2012-10-07 02:25:29 AM
1 votes:

Rufus Lee King: The..photograph..was...staged...you..goddamned...idiots.


Who cares if it was staged? It captured the mood of nearly the entire country at the time.
2012-10-07 02:16:07 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?

Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?


There is no such thing as "women's rights".
There is no such thing as gay, black, Hispanic or any silly group you want to segregate yourself into to cry victim and attempt to become a special privileged protected class.

There are only human rights or just rights.
We all have them and are protected under them equally regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, star sign or any other dam thing.
2012-10-07 02:12:10 AM
1 votes:

feffer: Assault is totally cool if you do it out of joy!


You want to talk about assault? Fine. It's probably assault if you did it today. However, you still might be able to get away with it at a football game after your team won. Not because it's not assault, but because the person on the receiving end understands what all the celebrating is about.

We need to stay away from the notion that this was in any way sexual. It wasn't sexual. It was, 'AMERICA! FARK YEAH!'

/just full of phalocentric rapesplanation tonight.
2012-10-07 02:10:56 AM
1 votes:
Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.
2012-10-07 01:46:41 AM
1 votes:
I bet you dollars to donuts that this "feminist blogger" has never once mentioned Morganna, the Kissing Bandit.

/bullshiat feminist double standards... how do they work???
2012-10-07 01:41:36 AM
1 votes:
This whore wasn't even a twinkle in her fathers eyes when the war ended.

We talk about 2000 soldiers dying in Iraq as massive casualties. During the great war, you could have that many people die in a single day, and they did, on a regular basis, for farking years.

That sailor was probably hugging and kissing dudes too, he was glad to have beaten the odds and farking lived.
2012-10-07 01:41:22 AM
1 votes:
Sometimes...SOMETIMES...I wish the lights would go out for good and we can go back to being politically incorrect.
2012-10-07 01:34:19 AM
1 votes:
Some people just like to cause an uproar. Over nothing.
2012-10-07 01:33:02 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?

Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?


Wat? It's assault of a sexual nature or a sexual act committed without consent. You're not going to get charged with it for punching a chick in the mouth (not sure about tit/c*nt punching). The particular circumstances of this case aside, you can't normally just go up to a random girl on the street and surprise slip her some tongue. I can't call myself a "liberal" despite being politically liberal--I just can't subscribe to a view that wants to take all the money from the rich, ban all religions, and cede sovereignty to the U.N.
2012-10-07 01:29:21 AM
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coco ebert: Fark isn't really the place where claims of misogyny are thrown around on a regular basis. Jezebel, yes. But not Fark.


quizzicaldog.jpg

No sure it is super helpful to post that in a thread where several people have already done so.
2012-10-07 01:26:19 AM
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Ihaveanevilparrot: EchoMike: Better, real, also staged, but more recent:

You can tell by the woman's grip around her and the metal tubes and hoses in the background enforcing our rape culture that she's obviously being sexually assaulted.

Mmmm. Lesbian sexual assault.


Modified wooden paper towel holder.
2012-10-07 01:23:49 AM
1 votes:
Sounds to me like somebody needs to get laid.
2012-10-07 01:23:17 AM
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ComicBookGuy: Doesn't an erect dick need to be slamming into an unwilling vagina or asshole for something to be sexual assault?


No. Off the top of my f--king head a broomstick and the nypd would beg to differ. This woman is overreacting to get attention which is what she wants. That doesn't f--king discount actual sexual assault which is more than rape-rape, or for that matter harassment.

Yeah, catcalls are 'fun'. But when you can't go on a goddamn run or bike ride w/o hearing one, or can't walk five blocks to an important job interview w/o hearing one... it unsettles you *and* gets tiring as f--k.

/GettingTFO of this thread before I have an aneurysm.
2012-10-07 01:23:14 AM
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Every girl I know would facepalm if they read that farking headline. Just because you feel it, princess, doesn't mean you're right.

/was that last sentence misogynistic enough?
2012-10-07 01:22:30 AM
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Whether it was consensual or not, it has nothing to do with the capture of the image. It still stands as an iconic image, regardless of the back story.
2012-10-07 01:17:29 AM
1 votes:
She sounds fat.
2012-10-07 01:15:50 AM
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St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.


I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.
2012-10-07 01:06:04 AM
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BuckTurgidson: save russian jews: fark pretty much everyone in this thread right now

I take it you intend the word "fark" to convey its most violent, rapey interpretation?


you got me there dude. look at me, being literally just as bad as the dozens of people saying the writer of the article needs ~a good dickin'~ to "fix" whatever's wrong with her.

this place is a cesspool.

peace
2012-10-07 01:05:45 AM
1 votes:
That sailor stuck his tongue so far down that nurses' throat he could taste her ovaries.
2012-10-07 01:04:38 AM
1 votes:
Doesn't an erect dick need to be slamming into an unwilling vagina or asshole for something to be sexual assault?
2012-10-07 12:57:51 AM
1 votes:
Some people just want to cause trouble.

And 70 years later? Get a life
2012-10-07 12:56:11 AM
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Misconduc: Fem blogger hasn't had a really good corkscrew since 16.

Who cares?


"y'see, what this woman needs is my dick to set her right" a farking shiathead idiot with a paunch
2012-10-07 12:51:41 AM
1 votes:
Dear feminist,

Your poon is meant to be stuff full of dick.

Thanks,
Love,
Jerkymeat
2012-10-07 12:49:42 AM
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Rufus Lee King: That was posed, for God's sake.

Feminists, go die.

We've had a lifetime full of your bullsh*t.


I would consider myself a feminist, and I'm not offended at all by the picture, it's cute.
Feminists like this blogger make all feminists look bad.
2012-10-07 12:49:36 AM
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Why do we pay so much attention to the clinically insane?
2012-10-07 12:47:50 AM
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I bet she's never been kissed like that.
2012-10-07 12:43:06 AM
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Looking at her stance, I'd say the feminista is wrong. That is not the way a woman who is being preyed upon stands.


I would know, "I've got Two Fists of Iron" and I've gone nowhere" so I've got that going for me
2012-10-07 12:35:41 AM
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www.victormoreno.com
2012-10-07 12:35:26 AM
1 votes:
Lighten up, Frances...
2012-10-07 12:34:50 AM
1 votes:
i2.ytimg.com

/Agrees
2012-10-07 12:33:53 AM
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Assault - yes.
Sexual assault - nah.

I've never liked how he has his arm wrapped around her head to prevent her getting away. But in the moment folks were excited and no one was hurt.
If after Osama was killed some bloke did.that to you you'd probably let it slide.
2012-10-07 12:31:04 AM
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Krieghund: Well, she has a point that he didn't ask for consent.

But that doesn't mean that she was an unwilling participant.


Everyone knows she was asking for it. I mean, would you LOOK at her?
2012-10-07 12:29:55 AM
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Oh, boo hoo. STFU.
2012-10-07 12:29:07 AM
1 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-10-07 12:28:39 AM
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You can't rape the willing, honey.
2012-10-07 12:27:34 AM
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Lady, let's see how you express yourself when you find out the world ISN'T ending.
2012-10-07 12:22:43 AM
1 votes:
fark off.
2012-10-06 11:55:53 PM
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bojon: I would think that if she did not like it, she would not have met up with him several times over the years to discuss the photo.


Exactly.
2012-10-06 11:33:38 PM
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cman: If you look at history with the evolved standards we have today you are doing yourselves a huge disservice. Many of the founding fathers owned slaves, yet no one calls them evil. It was a different time.


Oh, I'll bet she does.
2012-10-06 09:06:13 PM
1 votes:
You're not Heeeellll-ping
 
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