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(Daily Mail)   Feminist blogger slams the 'Kissing Sailor' from the iconic 1945 Times Square photo as 'drunken predator', says it was a sexual assault   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 440
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2012-10-07 02:31:53 PM  
I'm pretty sure a caveman sexually assaulted a cavewoman a long time ago, too. Tell me how mad THAT makes you, while you're blathering about stuff that happened before most of us online were even born.
 
2012-10-07 02:32:02 PM  

Smackledorfer: LostGuy: Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either

Thats the thing. We see in this thread a lot of people saying "nah it isn't a comment on sexism and this feminazi ia making things up" but then you read the dozens of posts saying it's ok to do that. Of course, this IS just the internet. One can't believe everything they read.


You're missing the point.

There are two parts to this. The photo itself and what happened before the photo.

Yes, the guy apparently kissed the nurse without her explicit verbal consent. We can debate if that's bad, good, wrong, true, false, etc.

The blogger is saying that the picture is a symbol of rape culture and that peopel are idolizing a sexual assault. That's just pants on retarded.
99.99999% of the people think the picture is about a couple separated by war, not two complete strangers. For example: Myself. Until today I didn't know they weren't a couple.
 
2012-10-07 02:33:12 PM  
So, today this would get the man arrested and on a sexual predator list. The woman would need years of counseling and her life would be utterly ruined...

What has changed? Are women more fragile? Is kissing a stranger now more sinister? Why didn't the woman in the picture need weekly counseling? Did she merely suffer silently for the rest of her life?
 
2012-10-07 02:41:35 PM  

rocky_howard: udhq: rocky_howard: udhq: Author may sound shrill, but she has a point. You don't just grab random strangers on the street and stick your tongue down their throats.

You're missing the point and, as usual with these type of claims, the context.

Sooo.....moral relativism, then?

Sooo, you're a moral absolutist?


About using force to get what I want from women? Yes, without question.
 
2012-10-07 02:43:19 PM  

udhq: About using force to get what I want from women? Yes, without question.


So if you're a cop and you want a female criminal to comply, you just ask her really really nice?
 
2012-10-07 02:46:54 PM  

rocky_howard: Smackledorfer: LostGuy: Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either

Thats the thing. We see in this thread a lot of people saying "nah it isn't a comment on sexism and this feminazi ia making things up" but then you read the dozens of posts saying it's ok to do that. Of course, this IS just the internet. One can't believe everything they read.

You're missing the point.

There are two parts to this. The photo itself and what happened before the photo.

Yes, the guy apparently kissed the nurse without her explicit verbal consent. We can debate if that's bad, good, wrong, true, false, etc.

The blogger is saying that the picture is a symbol of rape culture and that peopel are idolizing a sexual assault. That's just pants on retarded.
99.99999% of the people think the picture is about a couple separated by war, not two complete strangers. For example: Myself. Until today I didn't know they weren't a couple.


I dont remember where I learned it was non-consensual, but it is probably a lie to say only one in ten million, or thirty total americans, know it wasn't a couple.

Additionally, if you can't tell by the thread, tons of people are defending it despite now knowing, and you are joining them.
 
2012-10-07 02:48:02 PM  

rocky_howard: udhq: About using force to get what I want from women? Yes, without question.

So if you're a cop and you want a female criminal to comply, you just ask her really really nice?


Oh for crying out loud, you knew exactly what he meant.
 
2012-10-07 02:53:33 PM  

Smackledorfer: rocky_howard: udhq: About using force to get what I want from women? Yes, without question.

So if you're a cop and you want a female criminal to comply, you just ask her really really nice?

Oh for crying out loud, you knew exactly what he meant.


That's the point and he said he's a moral absolutist when it comes to dealing with women, so....

Now, let me ask you, would you convict this sailor guy of rape?
 
2012-10-07 02:55:50 PM  

Smackledorfer: I dont remember where I learned it was non-consensual, but it is probably a lie to say only one in ten million, or thirty total americans, know it wasn't a couple.

Additionally, if you can't tell by the thread, tons of people are defending it despite now knowing, and you are joining them.


Seeing how I'm not from the USA, I was talking more about world population than Americans ;D

So do you think the guy should go to jail because of it? Or is it something that while bad/wrong, you just shrug off?
 
2012-10-07 02:58:13 PM  

rocky_howard: udhq: About using force to get what I want from women? Yes, without question.

So if you're a cop and you want a female criminal to comply, you just ask her really really nice?


I know you're being willfully obtuse, but yes, If I'm a cop and I use force to kiss a woman in my custody, that is wrong.
 
2012-10-07 03:01:32 PM  

Silly Jesus: So, today this would get the man arrested and on a sexual predator list. The woman would need years of counseling and her life would be utterly ruined...

What has changed? Are women more fragile? Is kissing a stranger now more sinister? Why didn't the woman in the picture need weekly counseling? Did she merely suffer silently for the rest of her life?


Yes, kissing a stranger is now more sinister. You remember those first couple of years after the first AIDS death? There were people who wouldn't use public bathrooms.
 
2012-10-07 03:28:06 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FormlessOne: And, speaking of attention whoring, Wikipedia's article on the photo is already updated with the blogger's claim of sexual assault...

Seriously, I don't see that. Here's the link I'm reading; where is that claim?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square


Heheh. VJ day.
 
2012-10-07 03:30:16 PM  

Smackledorfer: JesusJuice: Skullduggery: Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.

Get over yourself. If we win a world war and a sailor(for some unknowabke reason) decides to kiss you, you let him because frankly, he IS entitled.

What if the sailor is the same sex as you?
What if he has herpes?

Just curious how entitled he is. Tongue? Groping?

Is there a window in which he is entitled and then it stops? How long is it?


Alright, how about: "Following the cessation of hostilities for any conflict in which >250,000 military personnel lost their lives, military service members who were part of said conflict may kiss, using no more than 2 inches of tongue, any one individual they so choose for up to 24 hours after the conflict's conclusion or they rotate back to their home country. Kiss entitlements are revoked in all cases wherein the recipient of the kiss is potentially endangered (ie the service member has herpes). The touching non-genital areas over the clothes during these kisses is permitted."

That seems fair
 
2012-10-07 03:31:30 PM  

JesusJuice: Smackledorfer: JesusJuice: Skullduggery: Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.

Get over yourself. If we win a world war and a sailor(for some unknowabke reason) decides to kiss you, you let him because frankly, he IS entitled.

What if the sailor is the same sex as you?
What if he has herpes?

Just curious how entitled he is. Tongue? Groping?

Is there a window in which he is entitled and then it stops? How long is it?

Alright, how about: "Following the cessation of hostilities for any conflict in which >250,000 military personnel lost their lives, military service members who were part of said conflict may kiss, using no more than 2 inches of tongue, any one individual they so choose for up to 24 hours after the conflict's conclusion or they rotate back to their home country. Kiss entitlements are revoked in all cases wherein the recipient of the kiss is potentially endangered (ie the service member has herpes). The touching non-genital areas over the clothes during these kisses is permitted."

That seems fair


I like it. That should be an amendment.
 
2012-10-07 03:48:59 PM  
FTFA

"The kissing 'couple' have met several times over the years. Most recently, the two reunited in mid-August to talk about the photograph."

Because everyone knows that people enjoy meeting with the one who traumatized them and make every effort to maintain a public relationship with them. Come on people, use your heads. Think about what you are reading, don't just react to it.
 
2012-10-07 04:06:34 PM  
Those of you who believe "rape culture" is the dominant social construct of our day, or really anything beyond semantically null academic verbage:

Please just never talk to me ever, okay? Neither of us could possibly benefit from any interaction.

Thanks.
 
2012-10-07 04:19:32 PM  

onyxruby: 2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.

Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.


Psst.... just so you know, it has nothing to do with having an "I am the only authority" attitude, and everything to do with farking with this halfof33 jackass who started our argument in the first place. That kind of thing is fun to me. Sorry you got caught in the crossfire. If you don't like it though, I would very civilly suggest that you butt the fark out.
 
2012-10-07 04:31:00 PM  
Do feminists need a good hard farking or are they dirty whores? Which will it be, gentlemen?
 
2012-10-07 04:41:20 PM  

WhippingBoy: No. A feminist is a person who believes that all people should be treated with the same level of respect, dignity and opportunity, regardless of their gender.


Especially women. This is why they are not called "humanists".
 
2012-10-07 04:47:49 PM  

scallywaghotness: It is important to question history, something which is really the only function of modern historians today. I never realized before how strangely angry it could make people.


And when a historian does so, it is rarely with a barbed wire festooned, prefabricated slant, spin or agenda and it is quite beneficial to the world at large. Read anything like that, lately? I haven't.
 
2012-10-07 04:50:14 PM  

Biological Ali: Spaced Cowboy: OMG someone did something 70 years ago in a once in lifetime end of a world war celebration that tots offends me.

This_is_an_outrage.jpg

Absurd feminists are absurd. If the lady being kissed wasn't offended, who the hell are you to hijack this into some bullshiat cause of yours seven decades after the fact? Get over yourselves.

It's a pretty straightforward point. Grabbing somebody and kissing them without obtaining consent is wrong, and its wrongness is unchanged by whether or not some particular person might not have minded it at some particular time. It's like if you randomly punched somebody walking past you on the street - sure, it might turn out that the guy is some kind of masochist who actually enjoys that kind of thing, but that wouldn't have any bearing on the general principle that punching people without obtaining prior consent is wrong.


It's not like that picture was snapped after we had just won a world war that claimed millions of young people's lives and it's not like this picture was snapped in the middle of a huge celebration of said war ending. Oh wait...

You see children, context matters, unless of course you're a reactionary moron that is 70 years late to the party.
 
2012-10-07 04:54:53 PM  

LostGuy: Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either


But societal and biological norms surely insist that it is inherently forgivable, no? So, which is it? "Tee hee, silly girl" or "thoughtless sexual assault and an affront to the victim's dignity"? And so we go, arguing whose at the front of the circle.
 
2012-10-07 05:05:00 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Do feminists need a good hard farking or are they dirty whores? Which will it be, gentlemen?


Are the two mutually exclusive?
 
2012-10-07 05:05:37 PM  

2words1finger: onyxruby: 2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.

Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.

Psst.... just so you know, it has nothing to do with having an "I am the only authority" attitude, and everything to do with farking with this halfof33 jackass who started our argument in the first place. That kind of thing is fun to me. Sorry you got caught in the crossfire. If you don't like it though, I would very civilly suggest that you butt the fark out.


You look like a moron to everyone that read this thread. It's way too late to act like you're some criminal mastermind pulling the strings of another hapless farker, as that is clearly nowhere near the truth of the matter. Halfof33 came out looking far superior to you in pretty much every respect, as did another dozen posters who engaged your nonsense. I understand you're just trying to save face now, but it's game over time.

i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-07 05:15:09 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: 2words1finger: onyxruby: 2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.

Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.

Psst.... just so you know, it has nothing to do with having an "I am the only authority" attitude, and everything to do with farking with this halfof33 jackass who started our argument in the first place. That kind of thing is fun to me. Sorry you got caught in the crossfire. If you don't like it though, I would very civilly suggest that you butt the fark out.

You look like a moron to everyone that read this thread. It's way too late to act like you're some criminal mastermind pulling the strings of another hapless farker, as that is clearly nowhere near the truth of the matter. Halfof33 came out looking far superior to you in pretty much every respect, as did another dozen posters who engaged your nonsense. I understand you're just trying to save face now, but it's game over time.

[i48.photobuck ...


Obviously you haven't even bothered to read my initial posts, so I'm going to go back to ignoring you now.

/its not game over 'till I say it is
 
2012-10-07 05:15:49 PM  

fredbox: Those of you who believe "rape culture" is the dominant social construct of our day, or really anything beyond semantically null academic verbage:

Please just never talk to me ever, okay? Neither of us could possibly benefit from any interaction.

Thanks.


I don't believe that, at least not without a concrete definition of the term, but if you want to limit the exposure to the speech of others then you are the one who has to stay home and away from the public, not I.
 
2012-10-07 05:16:42 PM  

Spaced Cowboy: You look like a moron to everyone that read this thread. It's way too late to act like you're some criminal mastermind pulling the strings of another hapless farker, as that is clearly nowhere near the truth of the matter. Halfof33 came out looking far superior to you in pretty much every respect, as did another dozen posters who engaged your nonsense. I understand you're just trying to save face now, but it's game over time.


Oh, come on. He may look like a moron, but Halfof33 has never come out looking superior to anyone.
 
2012-10-07 05:17:32 PM  

halfof33: LordOfThePings: The presence of two cameras makes it impossible to stage things.

Well considering that I've seen both, and they both contradict the claim which is entirely based on the following:

DERP!

I'm going to have to go with NOT PROVEN


Whereas the fact of a second photo and angles completely makes the "hey, why don't you go kiss over there" scenario impossible. It's quantum mechanics!
 
2012-10-07 05:25:55 PM  
Overwrought victim posturing always reeks of piss. It's the only reasons that these discussions, in which we argue whether it smells like roses or, you know, piss, ever occur at all. So far, this one seems to be about who is entitled to say "Oh, lighten up." A very coveted entitlement, that, indeed.
 
2012-10-07 06:06:45 PM  
Okay let me try this another way. Here's the scenario, you're a male walking down Main Street, USA celebrating some really good news. It could be that your local sports team just won the big game or that Osama Bin Laden was finally "dealt with", it doesn't matter. Other people are out in the streets celebrating too. You walk up to some random woman and force an embrace and kiss on her. Now answer me this people... what crime could you be charged with?

If you didn't answer at least with "attempted sexual assault" then you're either severely ignorant of the law or you're the kind of person who should probably be wearing one of those ankle GPS trackers and your name should be in some kind of public safety registry.

Maybe this blogger is some kind of "feminazi" douche, but her point is entirely accurate and valid. What that sailor did was wrong by any civilized standards because the woman, by her own admission, was not a willing participant. There is simply no way that any reasonable person could disagree with this, and I'm not basing that solely on my own opinion of the matter, but rather on the standards of our civil society.

Now, if you want to be a smartass and reply with a bunch of name-calling or irrational arguments that's just fine with me so long as you understand that I will respond in kind.
 
2012-10-07 06:13:20 PM  

2words1finger: Okay let me try this another way. Here's the scenario, you're a male walking down Main Street, USA celebrating some really good news. It could be that your local sports team just won the big game or that Osama Bin Laden was finally "dealt with", it doesn't matter. Other people are out in the streets celebrating too. You walk up to some random woman and force an embrace and kiss on her. Now answer me this people... what crime could you be charged with?

If you didn't answer at least with "attempted sexual assault" then you're either severely ignorant of the law or you're the kind of person who should probably be wearing one of those ankle GPS trackers and your name should be in some kind of public safety registry.

Maybe this blogger is some kind of "feminazi" douche, but her point is entirely accurate and valid. What that sailor did was wrong by any civilized standards because the woman, by her own admission, was not a willing participant. There is simply no way that any reasonable person could disagree with this, and I'm not basing that solely on my own opinion of the matter, but rather on the standards of our civil society.



And in 1945, those laws didn't exist. It was a different time, different standards of civilized society.

So, dumbass blogger needs to either find a modern picture depicting the same type of behavior, of STFU and go back to whining about the oppressive patriarchy.

/this kind of bullshiat is the same reason that old Looney Tunes cartoons have to be released with a disclaimer saying they're for "Adult collectors only". People want to layer their modern baggage onto things created in a different time without bothering to understand the culture that existed when these things were originally made.
 
2012-10-07 06:23:35 PM  

onyxruby: 2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.

Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.


What University do you work at? I am very interested in learning about a school that has 2,000+ people with Masters, PHDs, and Doctorates as part of its staff and student body. Such a school must be huge!
 
2012-10-07 06:30:21 PM  
Ah, cartoons. A brilliant form. Your actors can do anything. For my money, I'll take sarcastic, anthropomorphic animals being hit with anvils over overwrought, hero and villain, impossibly circuitous, cookie cutter rinse and repeat tripe starring the results of marketing tie in meetings. The former is funny. The latter is selling something and usually skip the part where you hire writers.
 
2012-10-07 06:40:29 PM  

Mock26: What University do you work at? I am very interested in learning about a school that has 2,000+ people with Masters, PHDs, and Doctorates as part of its staff and student body. Such a school must be huge!


Were in the top 5 on this list. I know your trolling, however I'm not, we really are as you put it "huge".
 
2012-10-07 07:20:54 PM  
People in 1945 understood, as everyone did until sometime in the 60s, that their reason for living was not to simply "be," but to fulfill roles. Man, woman, sailor, nurse, fighter, mother. How good a person you were had mostly to do with how faithfully you acted the role society had for you. Your moral code, your autonomy, your dignity were not inherently yours - they depended on your role.
 
2012-10-07 07:56:40 PM  

i upped my meds-up yours: People in 1945 understood, as everyone did until sometime in the 60s, that their reason for living was not to simply "be," but to fulfill roles. Man, woman, sailor, nurse, fighter, mother. How good a person you were had mostly to do with how faithfully you acted the role society had for you. Your moral code, your autonomy, your dignity were not inherently yours - they depended on your role.


And the '80s tried desperately to re-instill the notion that you are your job description, by making it all "elite" and sh*t, into a populous that couldn't help but wonder if - noting that so far, wearing a costume and building your life around it having done little more than than getting us where we were as a fragmented culture - perhaps there was a bit more to life than a Halloween party. We're still not sure, really. We all inherently want to leave something greater than the sum of the parts as a sentient species, but so far, we mostly manage to leave something that is hoovered up by those who have too much already. And we seemed to have wearied of that particular carrot on that particular stick as being a great accomplishment. Most sociopolitical movements have only endlessly parsed the notion that one given costume is inherently of more value than another. Nobody wants to just suggest we all take off our costumes, though.
 
2012-10-07 08:17:18 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: 2words1finger: Okay let me try this another way. Here's the scenario, you're a male walking down Main Street, USA celebrating some really good news. It could be that your local sports team just won the big game or that Osama Bin Laden was finally "dealt with", it doesn't matter. Other people are out in the streets celebrating too. You walk up to some random woman and force an embrace and kiss on her. Now answer me this people... what crime could you be charged with?

If you didn't answer at least with "attempted sexual assault" then you're either severely ignorant of the law or you're the kind of person who should probably be wearing one of those ankle GPS trackers and your name should be in some kind of public safety registry.

Maybe this blogger is some kind of "feminazi" douche, but her point is entirely accurate and valid. What that sailor did was wrong by any civilized standards because the woman, by her own admission, was not a willing participant. There is simply no way that any reasonable person could disagree with this, and I'm not basing that solely on my own opinion of the matter, but rather on the standards of our civil society.



And in 1945, those laws didn't exist. It was a different time, different standards of civilized society.

So, dumbass blogger needs to either find a modern picture depicting the same type of behavior, of STFU and go back to whining about the oppressive patriarchy.

/this kind of bullshiat is the same reason that old Looney Tunes cartoons have to be released with a disclaimer saying they're for "Adult collectors only". People want to layer their modern baggage onto things created in a different time without bothering to understand the culture that existed when these things were originally made.


Actually the lack of those laws supports the overall argument of the "feminazi" author. This is true whether or not tge women at the time were raised to believe it should be acceptable for guys to steal some liptime.

Similarly, racist looney tunes are evidence of racism accepted by society at the time. It doesn't matter whether the whites cared that they were showing racist jokes to their kids or whether the asian and black families thought it was worth complaining about ('worth it' being not merely if they were bothered, but by if they thought they had a chance of succeeding in change).

fark sexually harrassing women, fark the racist bugs bunny, and fark those pretending that it was ok.
 
2012-10-07 08:36:32 PM  

fredbox: Those of you who believe "rape culture" is the dominant social construct of our day, or really anything beyond semantically null academic verbage:

Please just never talk to me ever, okay? Neither of us could possibly benefit from any interaction.

Thanks.


What is now called rape culture used to be known simply as culture.
 
2012-10-07 08:43:08 PM  

bunner: LostGuy: Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either

But societal and biological norms surely insist that it is inherently forgivable, no? So, which is it? "Tee hee, silly girl" or "thoughtless sexual assault and an affront to the victim's dignity"? And so we go, arguing whose at the front of the circle.


Anyone who thinks it's forgivable just because a woman's doing it doesn't deserve to be called a feminists. After all, the cultural concept that men always want sex (and therefore sexual advances from any woman are always ok) is a HUGE part of the rape culture. If men could just admit out loud that they aren't constantly horny, it would go a long way to correcting the issue.

I wonder how many male farkers have the balls to admit they don't always want strange drunk women kissing them. I know I don't.
 
2012-10-07 08:52:13 PM  
If you'd said there was a rape culture in 1945, you'd have had your head quietly caved in without so much as an obituary, let alone a police report. Even social critics then knew there were things you just didn't question.
 
2012-10-07 08:55:45 PM  

LostGuy: Anyone who thinks it's forgivable just because a woman's doing it doesn't deserve to be called a feminists. After all, the cultural concept that men always want sex (and therefore sexual advances from any woman are always ok) is a HUGE part of the rape culture. If men could just admit out loud that they aren't constantly horny, it would go a long way to correcting the issue.

I wonder how many male farkers have the balls to admit they don't always want strange drunk women kissing them. I know I don't.


You're arguing against biology and you're going to lose.

No, not always, but yeah a big part of the time.

You're missing the important part though:

When they want to.

Yes, when an average man wants a woman kissing him he has to work for it.
When it's a woman, she just has to ask.
 
2012-10-07 08:59:34 PM  
stop attempting to rewrite history. It's obvious and pathetic. Women enjoy being courted.. Not every situation is the same. If you want to neuter all males, even when their expression of joy can be a focal point of a generations joy at the end of their sorrows, to all the people lost in a pointless exercise of state control, then you are beyond repair. And the concept of humanity(life) for you is forever lost.
 
2012-10-07 09:06:40 PM  

2words1finger: You're cute.... and apparently very easy to manipulate in addition to being incapable of actually making a point, but that's okay. I don't expect much from your kind.


Hee hee, I call you out on your ridiculous and offensive claim that women that were raised during the depression and worked through WWII were sheep.

And this is your response, oh master degree candidate in Womens' Studies?

lolz.
 
2012-10-07 09:08:33 PM  

knowless: stop attempting to rewrite history. It's obvious and pathetic. Women enjoy being courted.. Not every situation is the same. If you want to neuter all males, even when their expression of joy can be a focal point of a generations joy at the end of their sorrows, to all the people lost in a pointless exercise of state control, then you are beyond repair. And the concept of humanity(life) for you is forever lost.


If men aren't allowed to kiss strangers, it is the end of humanity?
 
2012-10-07 09:10:05 PM  

onyxruby: Mock26: What University do you work at? I am very interested in learning about a school that has 2,000+ people with Masters, PHDs, and Doctorates as part of its staff and student body. Such a school must be huge!

Were in the top 5 on this list. I know your trolling, however I'm not, we really are as you put it "huge".


Not trolling you at all, just calling you out on your possible misuse of your claim of "literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of." Literally thousands off people with Masters, PhDs and Doctorates. Really?
 
2012-10-07 09:13:14 PM  

rocky_howard: LostGuy: Anyone who thinks it's forgivable just because a woman's doing it doesn't deserve to be called a feminists. After all, the cultural concept that men always want sex (and therefore sexual advances from any woman are always ok) is a HUGE part of the rape culture. If men could just admit out loud that they aren't constantly horny, it would go a long way to correcting the issue.

I wonder how many male farkers have the balls to admit they don't always want strange drunk women kissing them. I know I don't.

You're arguing against biology and you're going to lose.

No, not always, but yeah a big part of the time.

You're missing the important part though:

When they want to.

Yes, when an average man wants a woman kissing him he has to work for it.
When it's a woman, she just has to ask.


It's always amazing to me how often people are willing to consider their own culture biology. What's the difference between you and a racist who says that Black men are incapable of being responsible citizens. Of course Women just have to ask: because men are culturally programmed that it's unmanly to refuse. Men often kiss or go to bed with someone old, unattractive, or unsafe just because of the threat to their masculinity. It's like when a guy drinks that 6th beer or rides down a hill in a go cart for machismo. Don't tell me you think guys are that dumb biologically.
 
2012-10-07 09:17:46 PM  

LostGuy: If men could just admit out loud that they aren't constantly horny, it would go a long way to correcting the issue.


Well, I think what's important here is that it's the victim's fault. *snort*
 
2012-10-07 09:18:38 PM  

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.


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She's got two words and a finger for you, sweetie.
 
2012-10-07 09:25:46 PM  

LostGuy: It's always amazing to me how often people are willing to consider their own culture biology. What's the difference between you and a racist who says that Black men are incapable of being responsible citizens.


Yeah, because that's totally the same. Human beings are biologically designed to be responsible citizens or no. What's the gland/organ related to that btw?

Oh wait.

Of course Women just have to ask: because men are culturally programmed that it's unmanly to refuse.

Don't be glib. What it means is that they'll find a partner rather easily, not that every man that she asks is going to do it. You don't think it's true? You're delusional then.

Men often kiss or go to bed with someone old, unattractive, or unsafe just because of the threat to their masculinity. It's like when a guy drinks that 6th beer or rides down a hill in a go cart for machismo. Don't tell me you think guys are that dumb biologically.

Straaaaaawman.
 
2012-10-07 09:30:49 PM  

Mock26: Literally thousands off people with Masters, PhDs and Doctorates. Really?


Yes, really. We are one of the top Universities in the US / world for advanced degrees.
 
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