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(Daily Mail)   Feminist blogger slams the 'Kissing Sailor' from the iconic 1945 Times Square photo as 'drunken predator', says it was a sexual assault   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 440
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2012-10-07 09:39:44 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Her next statement: "We are all human beings and we should unite as one species."

Wow. How could we possibly do that, splintered into tiny labeled groups?


The trick is to realize that ~n splinter group is inherently morally superior to yours and join their club until everybody is united under the one true cause of tolerating the inferior. *snort*
 
2012-10-07 09:42:49 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Bill Evans at Mariposa: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FormlessOne: And, speaking of attention whoring, Wikipedia's article on the photo is already updated with the blogger's claim of sexual assault...

Seriously, I don't see that. Here's the link I'm reading; where is that claim?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square

That claim lasted in the Wikipedia article for six minutes before it was reverted. To see the claim, go here.

Thanks for that.

Just for the hell of it, I Googled "The Kissing Sailor, or 'The Selective Blindness of Rape" and got back 61,000 results. I'm thinking that, over the normal course of people quoting each other, it should be10X that by tonight. So this woman is getting the attention she craves.

Here's a statement that caught my eye from one of the sites.

http://eyelaa.tumblr.com/post/32937345002/the-kissing-sailor-or-the-s e lective-blindness-of-rape

"I am against all forms of oppression. Anyone who tries to suppress any faucet of the way I identify as a Bi, Bipolar, Agnostic, Black/German, Feminist, Woman shall have some problems..."

She forgot to add "dwarf", "nun" "biker"and "nazi".

Her next statement: "We are all human beings and we should unite as one species."

Wow. How could we possibly do that, splintered into tiny labeled groups?


I am more concerned about this author's plumbing.
 
2012-10-07 09:43:20 AM
This is why paleo feminists have marginalized themselves and why their ideas aren't taken seriously except as novelty studies.
 
2012-10-07 09:49:16 AM

Gyrfalcon: Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?

Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?


You're a woman who believes in women's rights. Yup, you're a feminist. You're just not a feminazi. There's a difference.
 
2012-10-07 09:57:04 AM

Big Man On Campus: 5-to-1 that ten years from now, feminists will be calling this rape.


I still think that is an amazing photo.
 
2012-10-07 10:00:31 AM
I'm no feminist but it does look like he is being a bit rough. What is up with his vice grip on her head with his left arm? He obviously doesn't want her to get away but, it is history.
 
2012-10-07 10:26:41 AM
Yeah, whatever. I'll bet when 'Leopard' isn't posting ridiculous shiat in her blog, she's telling butchy women that if they come over, she'll clean off her face and give them somewhere to sit.
 
2012-10-07 10:29:31 AM

Genevieve Marie: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.


I hate this argument. Feminist blogs cover all sorts of things, and typically those issues are covered constantly. This sounds like a small piece by an independent blogger who was doing a piece on rape culture, and mentioned that glorifying an image of a woman being grabbed and kissed by a stranger against her will fits in with that narrative. It's a fair point.

The fact that this immediately devolved into ZOMG FEMINAZIS WHO JUST NEED TO GET LAID is boring, predictable, and a nice reminder that a good portion of the population is still really hostile to some pretty basic concepts of feminism that really shouldn't be up for debate at this point. Most people know by now that grabbing someone you don't know and kissing them without their permission isn't ok.


No, it's not.

100% of the people looking at the picture think it's a couple who was separated due to the war and were getting reunited.

And the whole "he grab her without her permission". Okay, maybe it's true. But how do you equate that to "sexual assault"? It was an impromptu. A spur of the moment. It's something that happens every now and then, both males and females do it.

I got kissed by a girl when our school won the state championship. what? Was it sexual assault or because she was female it changes everything?

Our legal system recognizes both intent and premeditation as elements of a crime, this kiss had none. It wasn't something he planned (thus can't be a "predator") and it apparently wasn't something he intended to be more than that.
 
2012-10-07 10:40:40 AM
Also, to the people saying "she didn't consent".

I'm not gonna say she did, but I do want to ask you this question:

How do you intend sexual relations to take place?
In a robotic manner where you ask for credentials upon reaching each proverbial gate (think bases)?
Because there's nothing more of a mood killer than asking questions when you're making up or about to have sex.

Imagine two people are passionately kissing. They caress each other. Her dick is hard. Her nipples are like dice. The body language of each other screams sex.
Should the guy have to ask her if she wants to be penetrated? Or wait until she actually says "fark me"?

Now, I'm not saying you should penetrate every woman you see without asking. But I'm a person who can understand nuances and context. I don't know about you, but I can. But our species communicates in ways other than words.

Some of you remind me of that alien race in Mass Effect (the Elcor) that had to explicitly state their intention and mood with every line of conversation because other species had problems understanding their non-verbal communication.

"Genuine query. What can I do for you this day?"
"Sarcastic remark. That's not how I remember it."

Here's a video that explains it.
 
2012-10-07 10:55:06 AM

Jim_Callahan: If, to find someone to fit the behavioral standard you're assigning to a social group you dislike, you have to resort to doing a full column on a "professional blogger" named "Leopard", then your characterization of said group may be just a leeeeeeeeetle bit off-base.

Just... pointing that one out, there. As a general rule.

Mikey1969: /That is, until one of these die hard feminists gets her life saved by a chivalrous act...

Generally speaking, few people are going to biatch about someone deciding to put themselves at risk to defend someone else, whether it matches their politics or not. Not that I'm particularly feminist or antifeminist myself, seems like a stupid thing to argue over given that legal parity is more or less a reality in the first world so it's basically quibbling over etiquette at this point. So, not really being 'in' on this argument, I suppose I might be underestimating the prevalence of the crazy on either or both sides.


Not that I agree with the rape-culture stuff, but legal parity still isn't there.

See rapes and the military for a start.

/and yes there are areas where women benefit from their sex too, which still isn't parity.
 
2012-10-07 11:07:47 AM

rocky_howard: Genevieve Marie: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.


I hate this argument. Feminist blogs cover all sorts of things, and typically those issues are covered constantly. This sounds like a small piece by an independent blogger who was doing a piece on rape culture, and mentioned that glorifying an image of a woman being grabbed and kissed by a stranger against her will fits in with that narrative. It's a fair point.

The fact that this immediately devolved into ZOMG FEMINAZIS WHO JUST NEED TO GET LAID is boring, predictable, and a nice reminder that a good portion of the population is still really hostile to some pretty basic concepts of feminism that really shouldn't be up for debate at this point. Most people know by now that grabbing someone you don't know and kissing them without their permission isn't ok.

No, it's not.

100% of the people looking at the picture think it's a couple who was separated due to the war and were getting reunited.

And the whole "he grab her without her permission". Okay, maybe it's true. But how do you equate that to "sexual assault"? It was an impromptu. A spur of the moment. It's something that happens every now and then, both males and females do it.

I got kissed by a girl when our school won the state championship. what? Was it sexual assault or because she was female it changes everything?

Our legal system recognizes both intent and premeditation as elements of a crime, this kiss had none. It wasn't something he planned (thus can't be a "predator") and it apparently wasn't something he intended to be more than that.


You need to brush up on your legal system if you think spontaneous unwanted physical contact is ok as long as the aggressor didn't plan it as a step towards rape.
 
2012-10-07 11:15:33 AM

feffer: WMittensRomney: Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.

QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.


This.

Sadly, they are encouraging the angry, frustrated virgins who take over any Fark thread that involves the word "feminist". Get out of mom's basement guys: it's easier to have relationships with women, feminists included, if you don't act like an ass. Recognizing that sailor dude's action was wrong is not a sign of weakness...

Rufus Lee King:
The..photograph..was...staged...you..goddamned...idiots.

No, it wasn't. You may be thinking of...

Rufus Lee King: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x674]


...which, like most of Henri Cartier-Bresson's pictures, was indeed staged and features paid models.
 
2012-10-07 11:28:26 AM

Smackledorfer: You need to brush up on your legal system if you think spontaneous unwanted physical contact is ok as long as the aggressor didn't plan it as a step towards rape.


Define "ok".

And, newsflash: Spontaneous unwanted physical contact happens thousands, if not millions of times, everyday on this country alone.
 
2012-10-07 11:28:36 AM
Lol, another reason why a once sane member of society is now a misanthropic misogynist.
 
2012-10-07 11:33:35 AM
Damn, I guess I was actually sexually assaulted by that chick that planted a big one on me at a St Patricks Day party a couple of years back.

/That or I assaulted her because she was drunk.
//Gets confused about how this whole 'Rape Culture' thing works
 
2012-10-07 11:36:37 AM
It really does look like she's being kissed without wanting to be. It may not be sexual assault, but it is inappropriate. He shouldn't have kissed her. But clearly neither of them thinks it's a real big thing, so let it go. The photo has some historical value, but that doesn't mean everyone in it has to be a saint.
 
2012-10-07 11:37:50 AM

buzzcut73: Damn, I guess I was actually sexually assaulted by that chick that planted a big one on me at a St Patricks Day party a couple of years back.

/That or I assaulted her because she was drunk.
//Gets confused about how this whole 'Rape Culture' thing works


You shouldn't have been wearing that slutty dress, should you?
 
2012-10-07 11:40:55 AM
So, your walking down the street
Some stranger you've never met suddenly grabs you and kisses you.

Are you traumatized for life? no
Have your boundaries been violated? definitely
Should the stranger in question be charged with sexual assault? *shrugs* I don't think so.

If It happened to me i might give them a black eye, unless if it was a hot nurse.
 
2012-10-07 11:43:13 AM

StopKing: So, your walking down the street
Some stranger you've never met suddenly grabs you and kisses you.

Are you traumatized for life? no


I don't know. All my girlfriends have seemed pretty traumatized by kissing me.
 
2012-10-07 11:55:49 AM
Come on missy, she wanted it.
 
2012-10-07 12:01:31 PM

StopKing: So, your walking down the street
Some stranger you've never met suddenly grabs you and kisses you.

Are you traumatized for life? no
Have your boundaries been violated? definitely
Should the stranger in question be charged with sexual assault? *shrugs* I don't think so.

If It happened to me i might give them a black eye, unless if it was a hot nurse.


You seem to have a rational opinion on the matter even if you think the guy was in the wrong.

But you forgot one little detail: She wasn't just walking down the street. She was there welcoming the returning soldiers after winning the war. No, that doesn't mean she has to bed the guy. Just saying that she was part of a highly emotional moment. Not some stranger walking down the street.
 
2012-10-07 12:07:07 PM

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.


Not sure if your a troll or for real, but you need a reality check. Take your values (and it doesn't matter what they are), everything you hold that you thinks makes you an upstanding and moral citizen. There isn't a time or place in this planet's history that would not condemn you for your values. As time goes on I can promise that you (and me and anyone else you can think of) too will be held in contempt for failing to live by the values of a generation that hasn't yet been born.

Your also full of crap that woman couldn't do things if they wanted during that time. I have female relatives that went to college, earned advanced degrees, worked in the work force and all they had to do was enroll and show up. Woman didn't /want/ to do those things and the battles of the original feminists were waged far more against their mothers than their fathers.

The feminists at the time had real battles that they fought, however you lack historical context and skewering history to fit your current political views only makes you look like a troll.

Quit being a judgmental and self righteous, it only makes you look like an ass.
 
2012-10-07 12:14:04 PM
I feel sorry for the feminist in question. Six years of post secondary education to get an unmarketable Masters of Gender Studies degree, and the only "accomplishment" she'll ever have in her bigoted, "blinders on at all times" life is writing yet another social justice blog.

Seriously... If you're reduced to "blogging" your opinion of things, you've failed in every way imaginable.
 
2012-10-07 12:15:05 PM

onyxruby: Not sure if your a troll or for real, but you need a reality check. Take your values (and it doesn't matter what they are), everything you hold that you thinks makes you an upstanding and moral citizen. There isn't a time or place in this planet's history that would not condemn you for your values. As time goes on I can promise that you (and me and anyone else you can think of) too will be held in contempt for failing to live by the values of a generation that hasn't yet been born.


It's funny because it's true.

If, for example, he's an atheist, he'd be condemned for being an immoral heathen lol.
 
2012-10-07 12:15:59 PM
To a feminist it's everyone's fault they are fat, ugly, mean and can't get laid.
 
2012-10-07 12:25:36 PM
And I thought 4chan was just making this stuff up.
 
2012-10-07 12:38:55 PM

Rufus Lee King: I sure like girls; all kinds of girls.

From Annie to Veronica.

I like them tall, or fat, or small..

I wanna play my harmonica!


♬♬ Because they always fall in love, when I play my harmonica ... ♬♬

/Alvin!
 
2012-10-07 12:42:36 PM

socoloco: To a feminist it's everyone's fault they are fat, ugly, mean and can't get laid.


No. A feminist is a person who believes that all people should be treated with the same level of respect, dignity and opportunity, regardless of their gender.

The "blogger" is, in fact, a Professional Victim. She's found a way (via her blog) to exploit a noble sentiment for her own personal gain (money, credibility, etc.). The problem is that once you go down this route, you need to keep coming up with more and more radical sentiments so as not to alienate your readers (that's why you'll rarely see articles entitled "Women have it much, much better than they used to" on most social justice blogs.
 
2012-10-07 12:46:10 PM

knowless: Lol, another reason why a once sane member of society is now a misanthropic misogynist.


I've been on Fark on ten years and I never realized before I got here how much some men hate women. Just because some woman "did them wrong" at some point, and they never farking get over it. Or maybe for no reason at all, it's just a convenient target. In my infinite naivete, I assumed that most men actually respected women as people. Haha. Ha.

That's funny--I was done way more wrong by a man than most people who post here, and yet I've somehow managed to not hate every man in the world, or even blame them for every bad thing in my life. So there you go. I guess we're even. No, actually--I win. Carry on, losers.

fluffy2097: This whore wasn't even a twinkle in her fathers eyes when the war ended.
We talk about 2000 soldiers dying in Iraq as massive casualties. During the great war, you could have that many people die in a single day, and they did, on a regular basis, for farking years.
That sailor was probably hugging and kissing dudes too, he was glad to have beaten the odds and farking lived.


This. Now I know none of us were around during World War II, but can you imagine what the atmosphere was like when something like that ended? We have no way of relating to that scene; there is nothing in our lifetimes that was like that--where so many people were being killed, where everyone was involved in some way in this horrible thing that was, right then, over. The war was over.

Kissing in the streets? shiat, I bet there was a lot more than that going on. it was like a joy riot.
 
2012-10-07 12:53:59 PM

rocky_howard: Smackledorfer: You need to brush up on your legal system if you think spontaneous unwanted physical contact is ok as long as the aggressor didn't plan it as a step towards rape.

Define "ok".

And, newsflash: Spontaneous unwanted physical contact happens thousands, if not millions of times, everyday on this country alone.


Ya, because bumping into one another is the same as walking at someone and locking lips.
 
2012-10-07 12:56:01 PM

WhippingBoy: ...yet another social justice blog.

 

Dumb Things Social Justice Blogs Say
 
2012-10-07 01:02:48 PM

halfof33: 2words1finger: Where did I ever say it was her fault? You're the one who wrote that, which is pretty darn telling of exactly where your mind is about this subject. It may not be in your best interest to reveal those little insights into the twisted workings of your mind. Christ, the more you write, the more you come across as the kind of boorish insufferable oaf who drinks too much at parties, laughs too loudly at tasteless jokes, and will eventually beat his wife to death with a 9-iron.

I'm sorry, the bleating of the submissive sheep that grew up in the depression and survived WW2 where drowning out your smug sense of self satisfaction. You grew up in the famous iPod shortage of 2009, right?

Post again, shortbus.


You're cute.... and apparently very easy to manipulate in addition to being incapable of actually making a point, but that's okay. I don't expect much from your kind.
 
2012-10-07 01:05:43 PM

2words1finger: halfof33: 2words1finger: Where did I ever say it was her fault? You're the one who wrote that, which is pretty darn telling of exactly where your mind is about this subject. It may not be in your best interest to reveal those little insights into the twisted workings of your mind. Christ, the more you write, the more you come across as the kind of boorish insufferable oaf who drinks too much at parties, laughs too loudly at tasteless jokes, and will eventually beat his wife to death with a 9-iron.

I'm sorry, the bleating of the submissive sheep that grew up in the depression and survived WW2 where drowning out your smug sense of self satisfaction. You grew up in the famous iPod shortage of 2009, right?

Post again, shortbus.

You're cute.... and apparently very easy to manipulate in addition to being incapable of actually making a point, but that's okay. I don't expect much from your kind.


I'm guessing you love these types of threads because they reinforce your belief that all men are immature, sexist losers... amirite???
 
2012-10-07 01:06:22 PM

onyxruby: 2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.

Not sure if your a troll or for real, but you need a reality check. Take your values (and it doesn't matter what they are), everything you hold that you thinks makes you an upstanding and moral citizen. There isn't a time or place in this planet's history that would not condemn you for your values. As time goes on I can promise that you (and me and anyone else you can think of) too will be held in contempt for failing to live by the values of a generation that hasn't yet been born.

Your also full of crap that woman couldn't do things if they wanted during that time. I have female relatives that went to college, earned advanced degrees, worked in the work force and all they had to do was enroll and show up. Woman didn't /want/ to do those things and the battles of the original feminists were waged far more against their mothers than their fathers.

The feminists at the time had real battles that they fought, however you lack historical context and skewering history to fit your current political views only makes you look like a troll.

Quit being a judgmental and self righteous, it only makes you look like an ass.


Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about. Did you even read my post? Show me where I ever said "woman couldn't do things if they wanted during that time" (it's womEm, BTW). No, I never said that, never even came close.
 
2012-10-07 01:08:21 PM

2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis


Oh dear...
 
2012-10-07 01:18:05 PM

WhippingBoy: socoloco: To a feminist it's everyone's fault they are fat, ugly, mean and can't get laid.

No. A feminist is a person who believes that all people should be treated with the same level of respect, dignity and opportunity, regardless of their gender.


No. A feminist is a person who believe that women should have the same rights as women (nothing about men having the same rights as women though.)

Don't try to attach a more noble sentiment to the feminist cause. Feminism doesn't really fight against racism, classism, etc.

I've never liked the word "feminist" and I think it'd be better for the cause to drop it. It serves no purpose other than perpetuate the image of women trying to take power away from men many of the mentally-challenged members of our society picture when they think about feminism. Linguistically, it implies that women are better than men.

Egalitarianism is a better ideal than feminism anyway.
 
2012-10-07 01:35:16 PM
Author may sound shrill, but she has a point. You don't just grab random strangers on the street and stick your tongue down their throats.
 
2012-10-07 01:40:30 PM
Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either
 
2012-10-07 01:45:54 PM

Skullduggery: Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.


Get over yourself. If we win a world war and a sailor(for some unknowabke reason) decides to kiss you, you let him because frankly, he IS entitled.
 
2012-10-07 01:46:47 PM
By today's standards. no this is not ok...but thats not the point is it?
 
2012-10-07 01:48:38 PM

Great Odins Raven: By today's standards. no this is not ok...but thats not the point is it?


Well, it kinda is, since the image gets reused in many contexts:
static.prtst.net
 
2012-10-07 01:48:44 PM

udhq: Author may sound shrill, but she has a point. You don't just grab random strangers on the street and stick your tongue down their throats.


You're missing the point and, as usual with these type of claims, the context.
 
2012-10-07 01:52:01 PM

Theaetetus: Great Odins Raven: By today's standards. no this is not ok...but thats not the point is it?

Well, it kinda is, since the image gets reused in many contexts:
[static.prtst.net image 592x737]


No, it's not, because the image itself doesn't say she was being "sexually assaulted". 99.99999999% of the people out there think it was a couple.

Hence why it's being used in an image about Justice and Liberty, because we expect those two concepts to be married.
 
2012-10-07 02:15:11 PM

rocky_howard: udhq: Author may sound shrill, but she has a point. You don't just grab random strangers on the street and stick your tongue down their throats.

You're missing the point and, as usual with these type of claims, the context.


Sooo.....moral relativism, then?
 
2012-10-07 02:22:38 PM

Waldo Pepper: Neither does it show after the kiss what her reaction is to him. Does she smile and laugh and understand the moment or does she want to hit him. depending on her reaction after kiss is just as important as the kiss


So, you're saying that if an event occurs that could be interpreted as a nonconsensual sexual assault or consensual kiss, we should focus on the alleged victim's reaction after the fact in determining whether a crime has occurred?

Did you realize that you're suggesting that the "she regretted it afterwards" hypotheticals actually should be rape?
 
2012-10-07 02:23:08 PM

2words1finger: Tell ya what, when you have spent several years studying this very subject for a Master's thesis, then you can claim to actually know what in the hell you're talking about.


Your attempt to claim that only you can know what the hell your talking about falls flat on it's face. I have spent a lifetime studying these issues after my parents (both self described feminists who actively participated in protests and rights marches for many years) felt it was something I needed to study.

Your on Fark, surrounded by everyone from doctors to astronauts. Your self imposed "I am the authority" attitude only reinforces that your acting like an ass. You will likely find you are only one of many people here with advanced degrees in Women's studies, and that most of them are civil.

I work at a University where I am surrounded by literally thousands of people with Masters, PhD's and Doctorates of just about any field you can think of. I can assure you that the professional academics and professors I work with would find your attitude academically abhorrent.

If you would like to enter a polite and civil dialogue I would be happy to engage you.
 
2012-10-07 02:25:44 PM
It is important to question history, something which is really the only function of modern historians today. I never realized before how strangely angry it could make people.
 
2012-10-07 02:26:35 PM

LostGuy: Unfortunately the culture hasn't changed much or people wouldn't be defending this guy.

BTW, it's not cool when drunk women do it either


Thats the thing. We see in this thread a lot of people saying "nah it isn't a comment on sexism and this feminazi ia making things up" but then you read the dozens of posts saying it's ok to do that. Of course, this IS just the internet. One can't believe everything they read.
 
2012-10-07 02:28:12 PM

udhq: rocky_howard: udhq: Author may sound shrill, but she has a point. You don't just grab random strangers on the street and stick your tongue down their throats.

You're missing the point and, as usual with these type of claims, the context.

Sooo.....moral relativism, then?


Sooo, you're a moral absolutist?
 
2012-10-07 02:29:33 PM

JesusJuice: Skullduggery: Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.

Get over yourself. If we win a world war and a sailor(for some unknowabke reason) decides to kiss you, you let him because frankly, he IS entitled.


What if the sailor is the same sex as you?
What if he has herpes?

Just curious how entitled he is. Tongue? Groping?

Is there a window in which he is entitled and then it stops? How long is it?
 
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