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(Daily Mail)   Feminist blogger slams the 'Kissing Sailor' from the iconic 1945 Times Square photo as 'drunken predator', says it was a sexual assault   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 441
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2012-10-07 03:13:59 AM
Wow, girls suck at feminism
 
2012-10-07 03:14:39 AM
It started out with a kiss, how did it end up like this?
 
2012-10-07 03:16:22 AM

Genevieve Marie: doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.


You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.


What's that? You'll have to speak up. I'm afraid I couldn't hear the bit where men could just rape strangers with impunity and women were forced to bend over to whomever whenever over the sound of how awesome she was: Christine Granville

If we're cherry pick, make broad generalizations, and talk off topic based on tertiary issues it's going both ways. My super sexy man-eating spy with a her buck knife is more man than the guy from 300. She's from the era in question. Your facts, while commendable, are from a full generation later.

So I again posit there is no evidence for women of the 40's being mere sex slaves for the glorious male-ster race because it was not the case, nor was it ever in The United States.
 
2012-10-07 03:18:55 AM

FirstNationalBastard: There are plenty of modern issues and pictures that could be used to illustrate the same point. But they wouldn't get clicks, would they?


New Year's Eve Midnight Kisses: Harmless Tradition or Unwelcome Sexual Assault?
 
2012-10-07 03:21:46 AM

Rashnu: FirstNationalBastard: There are plenty of modern issues and pictures that could be used to illustrate the same point. But they wouldn't get clicks, would they?

New Year's Eve Midnight Kisses: Harmless Tradition or Unwelcome Sexual Assault?


With ideas that good, you should be writing for a feminist blog.
 
2012-10-07 03:22:26 AM

doglover: Genevieve Marie: doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.


You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.

What's that? You'll have to speak up. I'm afraid I couldn't hear the bit where men could just rape strangers with impunity and women were forced to bend over to whomever whenever over the sound of how awesome she was: Christine Granville

If we're cherry pick, make broad generalizations, and talk off topic based on tertiary issues it's going both ways. My super sexy man-eating spy with a her buck knife is more man than the guy from 300. She's from the era in question. Your facts, while commendable, are from a full generation later.

So I again posit there is no evidence for women of the 40's being mere sex slaves for the glorious male-ster race because it was not the case, nor was it ever in The United States.



... My facts were that marital rape was legal in the U.S. in the 1940s and that women whose partners were violent often couldn't leave the marriage. Those are facts that affected all kinds of women.  Rape was also a whole hell of a lot more difficult  to prosecute then in general- you had to pretty much be a white virgin or get the shiat kicked out of you to even get near a court room.

And to refute that, you bring up the fact that there were a handful of women who lived unconventional lives and didn't live under the rules that were common at the time for most other women, and therefore my argument is invalid?

....
 
Seriously?
 
2012-10-07 03:24:33 AM

Genevieve Marie: doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.


You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.


so his argument is there doesn't appear to be evidence that men could walk up to random strangers and stick their dicks in them even in the 1940's and you come back with the argument that he is obviously unaware that perpetrators of rape back then were protected as long as they were married to the victim? I know you spent most of your time in the sociology department with the rest of the folks that couldn't hack actual science, but surely even you can do better than this.
 
2012-10-07 03:25:06 AM

halfof33: 2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.

But then again, I'm betting that you're one of those assholes who believes that there is rape, and then there is rape-rape.

You see folks, it is HER fault. Stupid woman who grew up in the depression and survived World War 2. It ain't about what she believes. We don't care about what she believes. It is what 2words1finger thinks!

Post again asshat.


Where did I ever say it was her fault? You're the one who wrote that, which is pretty darn telling of exactly where your mind is about this subject. It may not be in your best interest to reveal those little insights into the twisted workings of your mind. Christ, the more you write, the more you come across as the kind of boorish insufferable oaf who drinks too much at parties, laughs too loudly at tasteless jokes, and will eventually beat his wife to death with a 9-iron.
 
2012-10-07 03:25:57 AM
Yea, this isn't worth it. I'm going to go back to watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer on netflix.
 
2012-10-07 03:26:03 AM

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.

But then again, I'm betting that you're one of those assholes who believes that there is rape, and then there is rape-rape.


I just checked my e-mail, and my great aunt* who was married to a US Army Bomber pilot during WWII had emailed me asking how the kids did in football today. I'll tell her that you you think she was a little submissive sheep. She still gets her nails done at the home, and I'm sure she'll be willing to gut you like an ignorant pig like she did back on the farm.

*full disclosure: we are pretty sure her grand daughter does her typing for her. She has a facebook page at 92 after all.
 
2012-10-07 03:31:47 AM

2words1finger: Where did I ever say it was her fault? You're the one who wrote that, which is pretty darn telling of exactly where your mind is about this subject. It may not be in your best interest to reveal those little insights into the twisted workings of your mind. Christ, the more you write, the more you come across as the kind of boorish insufferable oaf who drinks too much at parties, laughs too loudly at tasteless jokes, and will eventually beat his wife to death with a 9-iron.


I'm sorry, the bleating of the submissive sheep that grew up in the depression and survived WW2 where drowning out your smug sense of self satisfaction. You grew up in the famous iPod shortage of 2009, right?

Post again, shortbus.
 
2012-10-07 03:36:13 AM

halfof33: EchoMike: Better, real, also staged, but more recent:

[itsconceivablenow.com image 614x305]

better?

Better picture of rusty slabs of crap in the background and an utterly inconsequential event?

I agree!

That picture will surely go down in herstory.


Better because it depicts a uniformed officer unafraid to hide who she is because a discriminatory military policy that promoted reprimanding service members because of who they love, and she's celebrating the occasion by embracing and kissing the woman she loves.

That, to me, is better than just grabbing some nurse because you're happy to be out of a war zone.
 
2012-10-07 03:37:11 AM
I meant to say " a discriminatory military policy that promoted reprimanding service members because of who they love was repealed..."
 
2012-10-07 03:42:13 AM

halfof33: Mock26: No offense, 17.5, but you made the claim that there is at least one photograph from another photographer showing the assault from a different angle, therefore the onus is on you to back up your claim with proof.

17.5?? lolz, your math skills are as awesome as your reasoning skills, sport. I noticed that you don't feel the need to call out the original claimant on his claim that it was staged, do you? Gotcha.

Beyond the fact that it has already been linked in this thread, researcher, I'll post it when the mutt supports his baseless claim. Deal?


I did call him out on it. I said that it did not matter if it was staged or not, that the photo represented the mood of the country.
 
2012-10-07 03:43:00 AM

halfof33: Mock26: No offense, 17.5, but you made the claim that there is at least one photograph from another photographer showing the assault from a different angle, therefore the onus is on you to back up your claim with proof.

17.5?? lolz, your math skills are as awesome as your reasoning skills, sport. I noticed that you don't feel the need to call out the original claimant on his claim that it was staged, do you? Gotcha.

Beyond the fact that it has already been linked in this thread, researcher, I'll post it when the mutt supports his baseless claim. Deal?


PS Missed the link, and I was not trying to be insulting with the 17.5 bit. Was just trying (and failing) at a bit of light humor.
 
2012-10-07 03:43:58 AM

Smackledorfer: gibbon1: retarded: Sounds to me like somebody needs to get laid.

A lot of somebody's

Everyone is better off with regular sex.


What about diet sex? I would much rather have diet sex.
 
2012-10-07 03:45:29 AM

Genevieve Marie: Smackledorfer: There is something to be said for the idea that when you let the little stuff go by without calling it out that you are maintaining the environment in which bigger shiat can thrive.

Sexism, racism, etc. grow in a person one bit at a time. Nip that shiat in the bud. (and said nipping doesn't require a federal case).


Exactly. Most feminists go back and forth between talking about the smaller things and the personal things and talking about the bigger picture.

And in predictable fashion, when we focus on the smaller things we get told to shut up because ZOMG NOT THAT BIG A DEAL and when we're talking about bigger issues, we get told that there's jack shiat we can do about it so we should also pretty much just shut up.

Yawn.


Do you actually support the theory that his picture was more of sexual assault than a jubilant celebration?
 
2012-10-07 03:47:00 AM

thunderbird8804: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the term "rape culture" is only ever used by reactionary clowns?


You mean academics in the humanities use broad, sweeping generalizations without basis in fact as the foundation of cultural, literary or historical analysis?

I am SHOCKED. Shocked, i say.
 
2012-10-07 03:48:50 AM
OMG someone did something 70 years ago in a once in lifetime end of a world war celebration that tots offends me.

This_is_an_outrage.jpg

Absurd feminists are absurd. If the lady being kissed wasn't offended, who the hell are you to hijack this into some bullshiat cause of yours seven decades after the fact? Get over yourselves.
 
2012-10-07 03:50:02 AM
In expressing her opinion, this so-called "feminist" so-called "woman" tarnished the sacrifice of soldiers who died for our freedoms. The sailor in question had just survived a bloody war to preserve the freedom and liberty of US citizens against outside coercion; any woman encountering the manly Blitzkrieg of such a fine warrior should know that the American way is to surrender and allow his tongue to breach her Maginot Line. God Bless.

Glittery crying eagle gif, stat.
 
2012-10-07 03:50:59 AM

Genevieve Marie: ... My facts were that marital rape was legal in the U.S. in the 1940s and that women whose partners were violent often couldn't leave the marriage


In the viking era, unwanted kissing was prosecutable for up to ONE OUNCE of gold PER KISS. In the Spartan era, a woman was taught to fight and wrestle, same as a man.

But the woman in the photo isn't a viking. She wasn't a Spartan. She wasn't married to the sailor either. And while we're at it, murder was harder to prosecute. Theft was harder to prosecute. All violent crime was harder to prosecute.

So your argument about something unconnected to what I originally reacted against would be convincing were it germane, it isn't connected to what we're talking about except tangentially.

Marital rape wasn't a crime, okay. Neither was bestiality until Mr Hands. That doesn't mean we had stalls every street corner hawking sheep for the discerning gentlemen and a few goats for the real perverts. Just because something wasn't illegal doesn't mean it was common or accepted gladly.

Sure, it was hard for women to do certain things they can do easily now through the courts. It doesn't mean they didn't have other means. It doesn't mean that such situations were common. It doesn't mean you could just molest women on the street. And it REALLY doesn't mean that the iconic V-day photo was in whole or in part any kind of sexual violence.
 
2012-10-07 04:06:49 AM
Modern feminists are professional trolls.
 
2012-10-07 04:10:33 AM

lewismarktwo: Modern feminists are professional trolls.


That's just misogyny talking, as is any statement that doesn't immediately state how men are scum who should all be shot to death and womyn should rule the world because they are the best, most enlightened people ever.
 
2012-10-07 04:12:58 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Rashnu: FirstNationalBastard: There are plenty of modern issues and pictures that could be used to illustrate the same point. But they wouldn't get clicks, would they?

New Year's Eve Midnight Kisses: Harmless Tradition or Unwelcome Sexual Assault?

With ideas that good, you should be writing for a feminist blog.


I'd love to write for a feminist blog!

Eye-farking: The Case for Criminal Statutes
Mistletoe: The Normalization of Male Sexual Predation

/Cameltoe: A Split View
 
2012-10-07 04:17:32 AM
Kissing sluts is wrong?
 
2012-10-07 04:17:35 AM

towatchoverme: thunderbird8804: Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the term "rape culture" is only ever used by reactionary clowns?

You mean academics in the humanities use broad, sweeping generalizations without basis in fact as the foundation of cultural, literary or historical analysis?

I am SHOCKED. Shocked, i say.


I've known plenty of brilliant minds in the humanities, and not a one of them bought into this sex negative horseshiat. I honestly have no idea what diploma mill is cranking out these pseudo-intellectuals, but its alumnus need to be banished to a colony somewhere.

/Seriously, "rape culture", farking collectivizing guilt for rape, how shallow and pathetic can people get?
 
2012-10-07 04:24:54 AM

St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.


Pretty much this. The daily fail went looking for some wingnut to be outraged about, found one, and shared their poutrage with their pantshiatting outrage whore readers.
 
2012-10-07 04:30:26 AM

Spaced Cowboy: OMG someone did something 70 years ago in a once in lifetime end of a world war celebration that tots offends me.

This_is_an_outrage.jpg

Absurd feminists are absurd. If the lady being kissed wasn't offended, who the hell are you to hijack this into some bullshiat cause of yours seven decades after the fact? Get over yourselves.


It's a pretty straightforward point. Grabbing somebody and kissing them without obtaining consent is wrong, and its wrongness is unchanged by whether or not some particular person might not have minded it at some particular time. It's like if you randomly punched somebody walking past you on the street - sure, it might turn out that the guy is some kind of masochist who actually enjoys that kind of thing, but that wouldn't have any bearing on the general principle that punching people without obtaining prior consent is wrong.
 
2012-10-07 04:34:03 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

Pretty much this. The daily fail went looking for some wingnut to be outraged about, found one, and shared their poutrage with their pantshiatting outrage whore readers.


Oh come on, not all farkers are like that
 
2012-10-07 04:34:28 AM

WMittensRomney: Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.


Well, it also depends on *how* she said all those things. The tone she used. Which is something that a journalist might be more aware of than you - you just see them in print. I mean, in your mind, complete what she said with something along the lines of: "and now we've just celebrated our fiftieth aniversery." and the whole monologue becomes very different all of a sudden. And even if she wasn't all glowy when she said those words, people can take care of themselves - well, that generation could anyway. Now, seemingly, it's just lack of strength and responsibility all the way down.
 
2012-10-07 04:42:34 AM

lewismarktwo: Modern feminists are professional trolls.


Some are, sure. But the Daily Fail is the real troll here, methinks.

Is this even a real blogger?
 
2012-10-07 04:47:45 AM
The writer points to the smirks on the faces of other sailors seen in the background...

What about the "smirk" on the face of the old woman in the background on the right? Does that not count because she's a woman? You have two sailors with "smirks" that could actually be "smirking" at absolutely anything happening off-camera, but this chick hasn't bothered to think it that far through.

...the firm grasp around the physically smaller woman in Mendonsa's arms keeping her from escaping...

He does have a rather tight grip on her, but that doesn't say anything, either, it doesn't mean that he's some kind of sexual predator.

...the woman's clenched first and limp body.

Clenched fist? Sorry lady, judging from your blog's name, it seems like you're already acquainted with fisting, but the nurse is doing it wrong either way. "Limp"? I don't know, he's swept her backward, and it is a fraction of a second. I'm pretty sure she stood on her own immediately afterwards...

Here, let's look at it this way: I'm a Steelers fan. In 2006, I went for a Super Bowl party at a bar outside of Phoenix that rented tents and made it a 3,000 person Steelers bar for the game. After the winning score, som every hot chick randomly ran over to me and gave me a very firm, enjoyable smack on the ass. It was a heat of the moment thing, and nowhere NEAR the announcement that WWII was over, but I still didn't run out of the building screaming "Rape!"

Look, I get it. Women have been getting the short end of the stick for most of known history, and guys get away with a lot of shiat, but it's crap like this that makes everyone instantly tune out when they hear the term "feminist". Find some current events to get your panties in a bunch over, the picture speaks volumes about the excitement and relief over stopping brutal dictators bent on subjugating the entire planet. Maybe you should take things in context, buy some new AA batteries and a bottle of wine, and have a nice quiet night at home.

Come morning, you should find something happening NOW to get worked up over, there are plenty of things occurring dailythat are worthy of your attention.
 
2012-10-07 04:48:37 AM
PROBLEMATIC
 
2012-10-07 04:50:21 AM

Big Man On Campus: [media.thespec.com image 400x300]

5-to-1 that ten years from now, feminists will be calling this rape.


I don't care WHAT they call it, since I get the nice upskirt in the bargain...
 
2012-10-07 04:53:03 AM

PunGent: lewismarktwo: Modern feminists are professional trolls.

Some are, sure. But the Daily Fail is the real troll here, methinks.

Is this even a real blogger?


Yes. Check my link way above
 
2012-10-07 04:55:06 AM

Christian Bale: But when at least three men shield their girlfriends from bullets in an Aurora theater, giving their LIVES to save them, we don't hear a peep about a "Chivalry culture" ?


No, because feminists think that acts of chivalry are really just outdated ideas of male dominance over the "weaker sex".

/That is, until one of these die hard feminists gets her life saved by a chivalrous act...
 
2012-10-07 05:06:03 AM
If, to find someone to fit the behavioral standard you're assigning to a social group you dislike, you have to resort to doing a full column on a "professional blogger" named "Leopard", then your characterization of said group may be just a leeeeeeeeetle bit off-base.

Just... pointing that one out, there. As a general rule.

Mikey1969: /That is, until one of these die hard feminists gets her life saved by a chivalrous act...


Generally speaking, few people are going to biatch about someone deciding to put themselves at risk to defend someone else, whether it matches their politics or not. Not that I'm particularly feminist or antifeminist myself, seems like a stupid thing to argue over given that legal parity is more or less a reality in the first world so it's basically quibbling over etiquette at this point. So, not really being 'in' on this argument, I suppose I might be underestimating the prevalence of the crazy on either or both sides.
 
2012-10-07 05:12:40 AM

LewDux: LowbrowDeluxe: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

Pretty much this. The daily fail went looking for some wingnut to be outraged about, found one, and shared their poutrage with their pantshiatting outrage whore readers.

Oh come on, not all farkers are like that


Yes they are. I intentionally skipped reading most of the 200 comments because I knew that the majority would be biting the hook hard.
 
2012-10-07 05:16:19 AM

Mikey1969: buy some new AA batteries


Please, she probably needs something that runs on 240V AC.
 
2012-10-07 05:28:37 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: LewDux: LowbrowDeluxe: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

Pretty much this. The daily fail went looking for some wingnut to be outraged about, found one, and shared their poutrage with their pantshiatting outrage whore readers.

Oh come on, not all farkers are like that

Yes they are. I intentionally skipped reading most of the 200 comments because I knew that the majority would be biting the hook hard.


No, they're not, just ask yourself
 
2012-10-07 05:34:54 AM
This is a horrible thread.
 
2012-10-07 05:39:55 AM
Anyone else read the blog URL as Femifisting.org the first time round?
 
2012-10-07 05:58:42 AM

LowbrowDeluxe: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

Pretty much this. The daily fail went looking for some wingnut to be outraged about, found one, and shared their poutrage with their pantshiatting outrage whore readers.


I am so stealing 'poutrage'!
 
2012-10-07 06:03:09 AM

Genevieve Marie: ...and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.


Thanks in no small part to the actions of one Erin Pizzey. The irony here is that Pizzey had to flee England at one point after all members of her family (including her young grandchildren) recieved numerous death threats from feminists. Her crime? Daring to suggest that women were just as capable of domestic violence as men.

What distrubs me the most about this is the people responsible thought they were doing the right thing when they were sending death threats to kids. That's farked up, and it's not really that surprising that Mrs. Pizzey isn't a feminist any more.

/Not a feminist
//Due to the rampant transphobia
 
2012-10-07 06:09:11 AM

doglover:

Modified wooden paper towel

toilet roll holder.

Wow, just wow.

/yourdoinitwrong
 
2012-10-07 06:14:30 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: FormlessOne: And, speaking of attention whoring, Wikipedia's article on the photo is already updated with the blogger's claim of sexual assault...

Seriously, I don't see that. Here's the link I'm reading; where is that claim?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square


That claim lasted in the Wikipedia article for six minutes before it was reverted. To see the claim, go here.
 
2012-10-07 06:18:35 AM

Quinsisdos: Genevieve Marie: ...and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.

Thanks in no small part to the actions of one Erin Pizzey. The irony here is that Pizzey had to flee England at one point after all members of her family (including her young grandchildren) recieved numerous death threats from feminists. Her crime? Daring to suggest that women were just as capable of domestic violence as men.

What distrubs me the most about this is the people responsible thought they were doing the right thing when they were sending death threats to kids. That's farked up, and it's not really that surprising that Mrs. Pizzey isn't a feminist any more.

/Not a feminist
//Due to the rampant transphobia


There are so many modern feminists (individually and as movements) who don't condone that behaviour, and also don't subscribe to the transphobia that some feminists do exhibit.

For example, I am definitely a feminist, and am especially interested in the media consumption of young girls.
I am also an LGBT (emphasis on the B and the T) activist. Feminist just means you are interested in equality for women. Don't be like the rest of this thread.
 
2012-10-07 06:21:36 AM
I love when threads like this devolve into something horribly polarized

Should he have kissed a random woman? No. Just because it was a different time with different values and different norms, doesn't mean it was right.

Should we take the photo as a piece of history and stop trying to over analyze it? Definitely. For f*cks sake, it happened how long ago? It's a picture that has been turned into a piece of art and is therefore different things to different people. If someone wants to think it's romantic, let them.

Are women better off now than they were back in 40s as far as rights, power, and equality? Yes. The feminist movement has done a lot for women as far as rights and equality goes. There's still room for improvement, but it won't happen until some people realize not every feminist is a man-hating spinster and until other people realize not every man who has misconceptions about feminism is a misogynistic cad.
 
2012-10-07 06:31:59 AM
Considering the events that preceded that kiss, with the rapes, murders, holocaust et al, and a kiss in the street - like so many all over the world - is the best this blogger can come up with? Goodness gracious.
 
2012-10-07 06:34:36 AM

Trillian Astra: I love when threads like this devolve into something horribly polarized

Should he have kissed a random woman? No. Just because it was a different time with different values and different norms, doesn't mean it was right.

Should we take the photo as a piece of history and stop trying to over analyze it? Definitely. For f*cks sake, it happened how long ago? It's a picture that has been turned into a piece of art and is therefore different things to different people. If someone wants to think it's romantic, let them.

Are women better off now than they were back in 40s as far as rights, power, and equality? Yes. The feminist movement has done a lot for women as far as rights and equality goes. There's still room for improvement, but it won't happen until some people realize not every feminist is a man-hating spinster and until other people realize not every man who has misconceptions about feminism is a misogynistic cad.

we say "fark feminism", which is just female over male chauvenism, and both sides embrace equalism.

However, I see your point. I was getting a kick out of how passionate both sides feel about this. I mean, it's a douchebag move to kiss a random person no matter how you spin it, but the woman was neither offended nor felt "assaulted" from what I can tell from reading the actual interview. People are just inserting their own feelings into it despite the fact that it has nothing to do with them. If it were me, I'd have punched him in the face and possibly even pressed charges, because again... douchebag move. But it didn't happen to me, so who the fark cares what I'd do? Who the fark cares what some other feminist thinks about it? It didn't happen to her! People should know that it's not a romantic scene of a couple kissing, simply because it's good to have the facts, but it should still be acknowledged as an iconic image of the end of an era, not torn apart by women like this idiot.
 
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