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(Daily Mail)   Feminist blogger slams the 'Kissing Sailor' from the iconic 1945 Times Square photo as 'drunken predator', says it was a sexual assault   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 440
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2012-10-07 02:15:20 AM  

cryinoutloud: cryinoutloud: Man, if I'd lived through World War II and seen all the men go away and get killed, and then it was over, and they came back, you bet your ass they can kiss me. I'd be out in the streets jumping up and down and waiting for it.

I don't mean like--dead men. Zombies. I should have worded that differently.


Yeah, that did sound a bit kinky. Didn't match with your photo.
 
2012-10-07 02:16:07 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?

Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?


There is no such thing as "women's rights".
There is no such thing as gay, black, Hispanic or any silly group you want to segregate yourself into to cry victim and attempt to become a special privileged protected class.

There are only human rights or just rights.
We all have them and are protected under them equally regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, star sign or any other dam thing.
 
2012-10-07 02:16:18 AM  

vudukungfu: cryinoutloud: I don't mean like--dead men. Zombies. I should have worded that differently.

Relax, I love you for your braiiiiiiiiiins.


+10
 
2012-10-07 02:17:40 AM  

FormlessOne: Parmenius: Why do we pay so much attention to the clinically insane?

Daily Fail knows that controversy sells. The clinically insane adore attention and are happy to generate controversy to get it. Ergo, the Daily Fail is happy to report on the ramblings of the clinically insane - the insane git gets attention, the rag gets money, and there's Bigfoot nuggets for everybody!


Wonder what her Fark handle is?
 
2012-10-07 02:18:01 AM  

LordOfThePings: The presence of two cameras makes it impossible to stage things.


Well considering that I've seen both, and they both contradict the claim which is entirely based on the following:

DERP!

I'm going to have to go with NOT PROVEN
 
2012-10-07 02:18:19 AM  

WhippingBoy: GAT_00: Modern feminists really need to stop helping.

The above statement (which I wholeheartedly agree with) sums up the modern feminist movement quite nicely.

/modern feminists are their own worst enemy


Modern feminists are a lot like Christians... they sit back and let the most batshiat insane people they can find represent their cause, then wonder why they have such a major PR problem.
 
2012-10-07 02:22:37 AM  

WhippingBoy: I bet you dollars to donuts that this "feminist blogger" has never once mentioned Morganna, the Kissing Bandit.

/bullshiat feminist double standards... how do they work???


I'm betting Morgana was a "victim".
 
2012-10-07 02:23:21 AM  
okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.
 
2012-10-07 02:23:23 AM  
Feminist author just needs to be bent over and given a nice, hard pounding, all consensual, of course.. That should lighten her up.
 
2012-10-07 02:24:09 AM  

Rufus Lee King: Show your hand, or fold.


It is your claim, sport. I called you.

C'mon, make me show my hand, because you think there isn't another photo from another angle, and I'm making it up? lolz

I call, slick. Whatcha got?
 
2012-10-07 02:24:12 AM  

Typhoid: Wow. Author right or wrong, you all are proving the need for feminism in a big way.


Remember, a lot of the posters her are 12 year old boys.
 
2012-10-07 02:25:29 AM  

Rufus Lee King: The..photograph..was...staged...you..goddamned...idiots.


Who cares if it was staged? It captured the mood of nearly the entire country at the time.
 
2012-10-07 02:25:54 AM  

my herniated disc: okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.


Because Japan surrenders every farking day, right boss?
 
2012-10-07 02:26:31 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.


Wait wait wait! You CLAIM to be a feminist yet you use a term (feminazi) coined and used almost exclusively by Rush Limbaugh? Something doesn't add up here!
 
2012-10-07 02:33:19 AM  

my herniated disc: okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.


If we just f*cking won World War III and you were out celebrating the defeat of North Korea, Venezuela, New Jersey, and Antarctica after four nearly 4 years of brutal war that cost millions of lives, and if you let her take you in his arms, then Hell F*cking Yeah, you let her stick her tongue down your throat! But bear in mind one very important thing, she could have stopped him, but she chose not to. She chose to let him kiss her, and you, too, could chose to not let that lesbian sailor play hockey with your tonsils. I suspect, that much like the author of the article, you need a really good, hard shagging.
 
2012-10-07 02:35:01 AM  

halfof33: Rufus Lee King: Show your hand, or fold.

It is your claim, sport. I called you.

C'mon, make me show my hand, because you think there isn't another photo from another angle, and I'm making it up? lolz

I call, slick. Whatcha got?


No offense, 17.5, but you made the claim that there is at least one photograph from another photographer showing the assault from a different angle, therefore the onus is on you to back up your claim with proof.
 
2012-10-07 02:35:29 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Typhoid: Wow. Author right or wrong, you all are proving the need for feminism in a big way.

Remember, a lot of the posters her are 12 year old boys.



Sigh. It is a little depressing, yes.
 
 
2012-10-07 02:37:00 AM  
She sounds fat. I thought Andrea Dworkin was dead.
 
2012-10-07 02:37:01 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: LOL! Mentioned this to my wife. Her statement: "Oh for crying out loud, why isn't she decrying the evils of Islam" (and, I presume, how they treat their women).

My wife is obviously a racist.

/didn't know that about her.

You have no wife. You didn't mention "this" to anyone. Your trolls suck post-Taco-Bell ass, your sense of shame is just, and you might think of acting upon it.


You're funny. Also, you haven't been paying attention; I've mentioned my wife several dozen times in various threads ever since I started posting on Fark.

You're obviously stressed. Here's a blankey and your teddy. There's a quiet dark corner. Time for nappy!
 
2012-10-07 02:39:25 AM  
If kissing strangers by surprise isn't assault and harassment them I'm taking my lonely, unattractive arse to the club.

Can I do it to my coworkers too?

/that said as in all things, some version or level of no harm no foul should apply.
 
2012-10-07 02:39:56 AM  

Mock26: If we just f*cking won World War III


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-10-07 02:41:52 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: StreetlightInTheGhetto: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.

Wait wait wait! You CLAIM to be a feminist yet you use a term (feminazi) coined and used almost exclusively by Rush Limbaugh? Something doesn't add up here!


I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.
 
2012-10-07 02:43:14 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: You're funny. Also, you haven't been paying attention; I've mentioned my wife several dozen times in various threads ever since I started posting on Fark.

You're obviously stressed. Here's a blankey and your teddy. There's a quiet dark corner. Time for nappy!


It's so cute when they get upset that you aren't a basement dweller like they imagine. You say something like 'I mentioned this to my girlfriend/wife' which could just as well be 'sister/female coworker' and they go all forever alone and think you're bragging about your relationship and have actually made it up. It's free bonus trolling.
 
2012-10-07 02:43:25 AM  

Mock26: Rufus Lee King: The..photograph..was...staged...you..goddamned...idiots.

Who cares if it was staged? It captured the mood of nearly the entire country at the time.


Yes, we were in a very rapey mood.
 
2012-10-07 02:43:47 AM  
We better listen to her. She has a blog.
 
2012-10-07 02:44:10 AM  

Mock26: No offense, 17.5, but you made the claim that there is at least one photograph from another photographer showing the assault from a different angle, therefore the onus is on you to back up your claim with proof.


17.5?? lolz, your math skills are as awesome as your reasoning skills, sport. I noticed that you don't feel the need to call out the original claimant on his claim that it was staged, do you? Gotcha.

Beyond the fact that it has already been linked in this thread, researcher, I'll post it when the mutt supports his baseless claim. Deal?
 
2012-10-07 02:44:27 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.


Well said.

There are women out there right now being raped and beaten by their husbands. Why the fark are these 'feminists' focusing on something that happened 70 years ago?
 
2012-10-07 02:45:10 AM  
This photo will be in the next 50 shades of something
 
2012-10-07 02:46:26 AM  

fluffy2097: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.

Well said.

There are women out there right now being raped and beaten by their husbands. Why the fark are these 'feminists' focusing on something that happened 70 years ago?


Well, those "women" got married, which means they were content to be housewives and broodmares and subjugate themselves to the patriarchy, so they deserve what they get.

You have to remain pure for the cause, or you're just as bad as men.
 
2012-10-07 02:48:38 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: StreetlightInTheGhetto: St_Francis_P: That was 67 years ago. The Daily Fail may care, and some feminist may care, but I don't.

I'm a feminist. As is my (male) SO. I've experienced obvious discrimination bc I was a girl, although it was addressed and smacked down quickly by my professor (grad student instructor). Other stuff too, you learn to deal with it but it sucks regardless.

This chick is a feminazi trying to get blog hits.

Please use the correct terminology. Kthxbye.

Wait wait wait! You CLAIM to be a feminist yet you use a term (feminazi) coined and used almost exclusively by Rush Limbaugh? Something doesn't add up here!

I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.


I've also had the honor of being banned from Jezebel bc I questioned their criticism of other criticism of Olivia Munn pn TDS. To me she just wasn't f--king funny - and I like Bee and Schaal - and equating that to misogyny was stupid and valid criticisms were being dismissed under that excuse. That comment, despite a dozen replies agreeing, got me disappeared from all Gawker sites. Better for me in the long run, still hypocritical and stupid.
 
2012-10-07 02:49:50 AM  

my herniated disc: okies, so if some random guy just grabs me on the street and sticks their tongue down my throat I should just accept it and maybe even enjoy it.

duly noted.


Absolutely correct. Not sure the guy is a "drunken predator" but his action did not respect her rights; it's like slapping a waitress on the ass. Doesn't matter if it's the Nineteen-Fourties, it's still wrong.
 
2012-10-07 02:50:48 AM  

fluffy2097: feffer: Assault is totally cool if you do it out of joy!

You want to talk about assault? Fine. It's probably assault if you did it today. However, you still might be able to get away with it at a football game after your team won. Not because it's not assault, but because the person on the receiving end understands what all the celebrating is about.

We need to stay away from the notion that this was in any way sexual. It wasn't sexual. It was, 'AMERICA! FARK YEAH!'

/just full of phalocentric rapesplanation tonight.


No part of our culture has kissing like that as non-sexual.
 
2012-10-07 02:51:52 AM  

fluffy2097: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.

Well said.

There are women out there right now being raped and beaten by their husbands. Why the fark are these 'feminists' focusing on something that happened 70 years ago?


Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.
 
2012-10-07 02:54:24 AM  

retarded: Sounds to me like somebody needs to get laid.


A lot of somebody's
 
2012-10-07 02:54:35 AM  

halfof33: 2words1finger: f after reading the entire article, particularly the parts where Greta Friedman clearly relates how she was not a willing participant, you don't see how this was without a doubt sexual assault, then you're one of the people I'm talking about. Please go pull a David Carradine in your closet post haste.

lolz. You think that a couple of quotes are better than actually reading the comprehensive analysis that went into identifying those people and the entire quotes of the woman in the photo? She doesn't think it was sexual assault, ya mope.

Why don't you go pick a couple of cherries and cram them, sport.


No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.

But then again, I'm betting that you're one of those assholes who believes that there is rape, and then there is rape-rape.
 
2012-10-07 02:55:52 AM  

MadSkillz: Absolutely correct. Not sure the guy is a "drunken predator" but his action did not respect her rights; it's like slapping a waitress on the ass. Doesn't matter if it's the Nineteen-Fourties, it's still wrong.


teaandpolitics.files.wordpress.com

Oh wait, 1940s? Thanks for your Concern.
 
2012-10-07 02:58:00 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: fluffy2097: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I don't like people who cry wolf, especially with no decent cause. I held the same goddamn position during the Duke Lacrosse nonsense.

That said my feminazi != Limbaugh's. There are PLENTY of legitimate issues to be focusing on re: women's rights that pulling this attention blog nonsense pisses me off.

Well said.

There are women out there right now being raped and beaten by their husbands. Why the fark are these 'feminists' focusing on something that happened 70 years ago?

Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.


There is something to be said for the idea that when you let the little stuff go by without calling it out that you are maintaining the environment in which bigger shiat can thrive.

Sexism, racism, etc. grow in a person one bit at a time. Nip that shiat in the bud. (and said nipping doesn't require a federal case).
 
2012-10-07 02:59:20 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.



I hate this argument. Feminist blogs cover all sorts of things, and typically those issues are covered constantly. This sounds like a small piece by an independent blogger who was doing a piece on rape culture, and mentioned that glorifying an image of a woman being grabbed and kissed by a stranger against her will fits in with that narrative. It's a fair point.

The fact that this immediately devolved into ZOMG FEMINAZIS WHO JUST NEED TO GET LAID is boring, predictable, and a nice reminder that a good portion of the population is still really hostile to some pretty basic concepts of feminism that really shouldn't be up for debate at this point. Most people know by now that grabbing someone you don't know and kissing them without their permission isn't ok.
 
2012-10-07 02:59:54 AM  
She needs to go and braid her pit hair.
 
2012-10-07 03:00:00 AM  

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them. It's not about what she thinks it is, because her opinion is severely skewed by the twisted ultra-misogynistic culture she was raised in. It is about what the current understanding and definition of sexual assault is, sport.

But then again, I'm betting that you're one of those assholes who believes that there is rape, and then there is rape-rape.


You see folks, it is HER fault. Stupid woman who grew up in the depression and survived World War 2. It ain't about what she believes. We don't care about what she believes. It is what 2words1finger thinks!

Post again asshat.
 
2012-10-07 03:00:45 AM  

gibbon1: retarded: Sounds to me like somebody needs to get laid.

A lot of somebody's


Everyone is better off with regular sex.
 
2012-10-07 03:02:03 AM  

Smackledorfer: There is something to be said for the idea that when you let the little stuff go by without calling it out that you are maintaining the environment in which bigger shiat can thrive.

Sexism, racism, etc. grow in a person one bit at a time. Nip that shiat in the bud. (and said nipping doesn't require a federal case).



Exactly. Most feminists go back and forth between talking about the smaller things and the personal things and talking about the bigger picture.

And in predictable fashion, when we focus on the smaller things we get told to shut up because ZOMG NOT THAT BIG A DEAL and when we're talking about bigger issues, we get told that there's jack shiat we can do about it so we should also pretty much just shut up.

Yawn.
 
2012-10-07 03:02:20 AM  

2words1finger: No she probably doesn't, but then again she was raised in an era where women were taught to be subservient, submissive little sheep who should allow men to do whatever they wanted to them.


Citation needed.

Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.
 
2012-10-07 03:02:47 AM  

coco ebert: halfof33: coco ebert: Fark isn't really the place where claims of misogyny are thrown around on a regular basis. Jezebel, yes. But not Fark.

quizzicaldog.jpg

No sure it is super helpful to post that in a thread where several people have already done so.

Never mind Mayan. I think Thoth I misread your comment Kukulcan.


Quatzequatldog.jpg
 
2012-10-07 03:04:09 AM  

halfof33: MadSkillz: Absolutely correct. Not sure the guy is a "drunken predator" but his action did not respect her rights; it's like slapping a waitress on the ass. Doesn't matter if it's the Nineteen-Fourties, it's still wrong.

[teaandpolitics.files.wordpress.com image 225x300]

Oh wait, 1940s? Thanks for your Concern.


You can put the snark aside. I care for the rights of women today too. And pretty much everywhere where a particular religion runs things, women are treated as chattel and it's farking terrible.
 
2012-10-07 03:05:26 AM  

doglover: Just because your dime story romance novels paint that picture, where's your hard evidence than men could just waltz around doing whatever to whomever? Oh wait, you have none because there isn't any.



You do realize marital rape wasn't illegal in every state until the 1990s and that there were almost no domestic violence shelters or legal protections for victims until feminists in the 1960s and 1970s organized on it.
 
2012-10-07 03:06:16 AM  

Genevieve Marie: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Yep. "Legitimate rape", still getting paid less for the same job, but by all f--king means bring up VJ Day.


I hate this argument. Feminist blogs cover all sorts of things, and typically those issues are covered constantly. This sounds like a small piece by an independent blogger who was doing a piece on rape culture, and mentioned that glorifying an image of a woman being grabbed and kissed by a stranger against her will fits in with that narrative. It's a fair point.

The fact that this immediately devolved into ZOMG FEMINAZIS WHO JUST NEED TO GET LAID is boring, predictable, and a nice reminder that a good portion of the population is still really hostile to some pretty basic concepts of feminism that really shouldn't be up for debate at this point. Most people know by now that grabbing someone you don't know and kissing them without their permission isn't ok.


Once again, if feminists didn't let the most insane, fire breathing whackjobs they have represent their cause, people wouldn't be as hostile toward them.

Treating everyone equally and respecting their rights and personal space is a great idea. But using an iconic picture from an extraordinary time 70 years ago and imposing modern standards upon it to stir up outrage and get clicks for a blog is just trolling. There are plenty of modern issues and pictures that could be used to illustrate the same point. But they wouldn't get clicks, would they?
 
2012-10-07 03:06:47 AM  
Is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that the term "rape culture" is only ever used by reactionary clowns?
 
2012-10-07 03:07:58 AM  
And she's a cross between an attention whore and a farking twunt.
 
2012-10-07 03:12:23 AM  
Fecking cry me a river. The nurse didn't get shot at with machine guns, depth charges, torpedoes, or gas.

Pretty much everyone was glad to see the boys come home, and boys they were. Keep in mind that they were inducted against their will into a situation where people try to kill them, to save the lives of the people at home.

If he had straight up demanded a BJ it would have been pretty much acceptable.

/Any other time, not so much.
 
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