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(Daily Mail)   Feminist blogger slams the 'Kissing Sailor' from the iconic 1945 Times Square photo as 'drunken predator', says it was a sexual assault   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 440
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2012-10-07 01:23:17 AM  

ComicBookGuy: Doesn't an erect dick need to be slamming into an unwilling vagina or asshole for something to be sexual assault?


No. Off the top of my f--king head a broomstick and the nypd would beg to differ. This woman is overreacting to get attention which is what she wants. That doesn't f--king discount actual sexual assault which is more than rape-rape, or for that matter harassment.

Yeah, catcalls are 'fun'. But when you can't go on a goddamn run or bike ride w/o hearing one, or can't walk five blocks to an important job interview w/o hearing one... it unsettles you *and* gets tiring as f--k.

/GettingTFO of this thread before I have an aneurysm.
 
2012-10-07 01:23:49 AM  
Sounds to me like somebody needs to get laid.
 
2012-10-07 01:23:50 AM  

EchoMike: Better, real, also staged, but more recent:


You can tell by the woman's grip around her and the metal tubes and hoses in the background enforcing our rape culture that she's obviously being sexually assaulted.

Mmmm. Lesbian sexual assault.
 
2012-10-07 01:24:21 AM  

halfof33: coco ebert: You can just see the pathetic types chomping at the bit to post one of their misogynist screeds in threads like this. Who knew some obscure blogger could be so powerful! See also: any thread about child support.

and you can see baseless claims of misogyny as well.

But I agree, stupidity can be a very powerful force: see any thread about child support.


Fark isn't really the place where claims of misogyny are thrown around on a regular basis. Jezebel, yes. But not Fark.
 
2012-10-07 01:24:26 AM  

Rufus Lee King: I honestly can't believe that there are people flapping their mouths about this when there's so much more to worry about.

That is all.


Well, not people. Person, singular: the crazy blogger.

Fark is where stupid stories are granted new life as threads. But we don't really talk about the stories or their contents as much as the thread itself. Each thread is its own little thing separate from the article.
 
2012-10-07 01:24:46 AM  

ComicBookGuy: Doesn't an erect dick need to be slamming into an unwilling vagina or asshole for something to be sexual assault?


No.
 
2012-10-07 01:26:19 AM  

Ihaveanevilparrot: EchoMike: Better, real, also staged, but more recent:

You can tell by the woman's grip around her and the metal tubes and hoses in the background enforcing our rape culture that she's obviously being sexually assaulted.

Mmmm. Lesbian sexual assault.


Modified wooden paper towel holder.
 
2012-10-07 01:26:36 AM  

gaslight: Some unknown person with a blog says politics and social norms that she prefers should predate her birth.

Um, yeah, we'll get right on that.


Give her a break. she's probably writing a book and needs the publicity.
 
2012-10-07 01:28:58 AM  
Wow, there sure are a lot of people here who seem to believe that there's nothing wrong with a little sexual assault. I hope to god that none of you have children or is able to procreate.

Seriously.
 
2012-10-07 01:29:21 AM  

coco ebert: Fark isn't really the place where claims of misogyny are thrown around on a regular basis. Jezebel, yes. But not Fark.


quizzicaldog.jpg

No sure it is super helpful to post that in a thread where several people have already done so.
 
2012-10-07 01:29:43 AM  

save russian jews: "y'see, what this woman needs is my dick to set her right" a farking shiathead idiot with a paunch


For some reason, Bill Cosby's voice popped in my head when I read that sentence. I think it was the "y'see".
 
2012-10-07 01:29:50 AM  
FEMINIST BLOGGER POSTS NEGATIVITY. EVERYONE READ THIS ARTICLE.
 
2012-10-07 01:29:56 AM  
LOL! Mentioned this to my wife. Her statement: "Oh for crying out loud, why isn't she decrying the evils of Islam" (and, I presume, how they treat their women).

My wife is obviously a racist.

/didn't know that about her.
 
2012-10-07 01:31:24 AM  

2words1finger: Wow, there sure are a lot of people here who seem to believe that there's nothing wrong with a little sexual assault. I hope to god that none of you have children or is able to procreate.

Seriously.


actually, there is a wee bit of difference between people challenging the claim that it was sexual assault and people claiming that there is nothing wrong with it.
 
2012-10-07 01:32:49 AM  
When female teachers suffer the same legal fates as male teachers when they fark their students, you have a right to biatch, feminazi.

Until then, enjoy your special protections, and if someone grabs you and kisses you to celebrate the fact they they no longer run the risk of a fiery death at the hands of a foreign power, STFU and be happy for the sonofabiatch. Maybe even kiss the poor farker back.
 
2012-10-07 01:33:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?

Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?


Wat? It's assault of a sexual nature or a sexual act committed without consent. You're not going to get charged with it for punching a chick in the mouth (not sure about tit/c*nt punching). The particular circumstances of this case aside, you can't normally just go up to a random girl on the street and surprise slip her some tongue. I can't call myself a "liberal" despite being politically liberal--I just can't subscribe to a view that wants to take all the money from the rich, ban all religions, and cede sovereignty to the U.N.
 
2012-10-07 01:34:19 AM  
Some people just like to cause an uproar. Over nothing.
 
2012-10-07 01:35:21 AM  

halfof33: coco ebert: Fark isn't really the place where claims of misogyny are thrown around on a regular basis. Jezebel, yes. But not Fark.

quizzicaldog.jpg

No sure it is super helpful to post that in a thread where several people have already done so.


Never mind. I think I misread your comment.
 
2012-10-07 01:35:22 AM  
I believe that it is situations like this for which the phrase "Shut your whore mouth" was intended.
 
2012-10-07 01:35:48 AM  

GAT_00: Modern feminists really need to stop helping.


The above statement (which I wholeheartedly agree with) sums up the modern feminist movement quite nicely.

/modern feminists are their own worst enemy
 
2012-10-07 01:37:29 AM  

coco ebert: Never mind. I think I misread your comment.


lolz, typical broad.

/Ironic type JOKE!!!!
//holy cats, I'm getting the frying pan
///oh dear....
 
2012-10-07 01:37:36 AM  

Rashnu: Gyrfalcon: Dokushin: Under this viewpoint, what exactly is "sexual assault"? Is it just "the same as regular assault except on a woman so the punishment should be greater because men are evil"?

Pretty much.

It's why I can't ever call myself a "feminist" despite being a woman and a strong believer in women's rights--I just can't subscribe to the view that sees everything through the lens of Evil Men Trying to Keep Women Down. I kind of prefer not being a victim, you know?

Wat? It's assault of a sexual nature or a sexual act committed without consent. You're not going to get charged with it for punching a chick in the mouth (not sure about tit/c*nt punching). The particular circumstances of this case aside, you can't normally just go up to a random girl on the street and surprise slip her some tongue. I can't call myself a "liberal" despite being politically liberal--I just can't subscribe to a view that wants to take all the money from the rich, ban all religions, and cede sovereignty to the U.N.


Point last seen going over your head, heading for extra-solar orbit.
 
2012-10-07 01:38:02 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: LOL! Mentioned this to my wife. Her statement: "Oh for crying out loud, why isn't she decrying the evils of Islam" (and, I presume, how they treat their women).

My wife is obviously a racist.

/didn't know that about her.


You have no wife. You didn't mention "this" to anyone. Your trolls suck post-Taco-Bell ass, your sense of shame is just, and you might think of acting upon it.
 
2012-10-07 01:41:22 AM  
Sometimes...SOMETIMES...I wish the lights would go out for good and we can go back to being politically incorrect.
 
2012-10-07 01:41:36 AM  
This whore wasn't even a twinkle in her fathers eyes when the war ended.

We talk about 2000 soldiers dying in Iraq as massive casualties. During the great war, you could have that many people die in a single day, and they did, on a regular basis, for farking years.

That sailor was probably hugging and kissing dudes too, he was glad to have beaten the odds and farking lived.
 
2012-10-07 01:42:51 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: LOL! Mentioned this to my wife. Her statement: "Oh for crying out loud, why isn't she decrying the evils of Islam" (and, I presume, how they treat their women).

My wife is obviously a racist.

/didn't know that about her.

You have no wife. You didn't mention "this" to anyone. Your trolls suck post-Taco-Bell ass, your sense of shame is just, and you might think of acting upon it.


wegotabadassoverhere.jpg
 
2012-10-07 01:43:08 AM  

Coelacanth: Sometimes...SOMETIMES...I wish the lights would go out for good and we can go back to being politically incorrect.


Don't worry... that day is coming... within the next 5-10 years, most reasonable people will shout "enough!"
 
2012-10-07 01:43:44 AM  

Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."

It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.
 
2012-10-07 01:46:41 AM  
I bet you dollars to donuts that this "feminist blogger" has never once mentioned Morganna, the Kissing Bandit.

/bullshiat feminist double standards... how do they work???
 
2012-10-07 01:47:52 AM  
biatch just needs a good deep dickin.
 
2012-10-07 01:50:20 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Point last seen going over your head, heading for extra-solar orbit.


Oh, please do enlighten me. I was so sure the point was that "sexual" assault is an unnecessary category of crime invented to appease radical feminists and that because some women calling themselves feminists are screeching, overwrought banshees that we should entirely abandon to them a term that at its core means the belief in the social, political and economic equality of the sexes. :)

/I have a great pick-up line where I explain how I'm a "feminist" but with the above definitional caveat
 
2012-10-07 01:50:46 AM  

GORDON: biatch just needs a good deep dickin.


No, people need to just stop listening to her.

You never, ever stick your dick in crazy.

Some men claim the sex is worth it. It is not worth it. It is never worth it.
 
2012-10-07 01:51:11 AM  

halfof33: coco ebert: Never mind. I think I misread your comment.

lolz, typical broad.

/Ironic type JOKE!!!!
//holy cats, I'm getting the frying pan
///oh dear....


Heh heh
 
2012-10-07 01:53:57 AM  
farm3.static.flickr.com 

Speaking about the "feminist blogger".
 
2012-10-07 01:54:14 AM  
By the way, the blogger posted a follow-up to Jezebel's site in order to clarify some things:

-Leopard- 5 hours ago
Hi Jezebel. While I'm glad that this discussion is being had on your site, I'm sad to say that your article misses the point of my original post.
As I emphasized in both my posts, "The Kissing Sailor" as well as the follow-up post Debunking Misconceptions, my aim was not to demonize George, the moment, or to pass judgment out of context. Rather, the main point of my argument was that three news articles had reported on the photo earlier this year, all of them had published Greta's comments about the kiss having been sudden and taken without consent, yet none of them even acknowledged or commented on the fact that the photo was perhaps now less-than-rosy in light of these comments. It is this silencing of problematic aspects of the photo to preserve its whimsical nature that I wished to highlight. I do NOT think that the glorification of the photo throughout history depicted rape culture, since many people genuinely thought that they were witnessing a romantic moment between a loving couple.

To read an article that has grasped my point better, please have a look at The Globe and Mail article from Canada:
[www.theglobeandmail.com]

Also, I need to point out that the quote beginning, "A closer look at the image in question shows corroborating details that become stomach-turning..." is not from me. It was written by Lori from Feministing. Please credit her in your article.

Thanks,
Leopard
 
2012-10-07 01:54:54 AM  

WMittensRomney: Actual post(s) are good, tho I feel uncomfortable. Here and here.

Excerpt:

The articles even give us Greta's own words:

"It wasn't my choice to be kissed. The guy just came over and grabbed!"

"I did not see him approaching, and before I knew it, I was in this vice grip. [sic]"

"You don't forget this guy grabbing you."

"That man was very strong. I wasn't kissing him. He was kissing me."


It seems pretty clear, then, that what George had committed was sexual assault. Yet, in an amazing feat of willful blindness, none of the articles comment on this, even as they reproduce Greta's words for us. Without a single acknowledgement of the problematic nature of the photo that her comments reveal, they continue to talk about the picture in a whimsical, reverent manner, "still mesmerized by his timeless kiss." George's actions are romanticized and glorified; it is almost as if Greta had never spoken.


QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.
 
2012-10-07 02:00:46 AM  

feffer: QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.


Kisses are not always sexual they can be used to express joy and non sexual love.

/do you kiss your mother with that mindset? ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-10-07 02:02:35 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk

Also, the dude is obviously a photoshop.
 
2012-10-07 02:04:40 AM  

Land Ark: Assault - yes.
Sexual assault - nah.

I've never liked how he has his arm wrapped around her head to prevent her getting away. But in the moment folks were excited and no one was hurt.
If after Osama was killed some bloke did.that to you you'd probably let it slide.


Is it wrong that when I first read that I saw a "b" instead of an "s"?
 
2012-10-07 02:06:07 AM  

fluffy2097: feffer: QFT. I'm kind of surprised by some of the women here commenting that the blog writer is a feminazi, not to mention the numerous people calling her a whore for no apparent reason. If you look at the picture the nurse does not look like she's enjoying it. Her fist is balled up and at her side, not around him. He's hanging on to her too tight.

Kisses are not always sexual they can be used to express joy and non sexual love.

/do you kiss your mother with that mindset? ಠ_ಠ


Assault is totally cool if you do it out of joy!
 
2012-10-07 02:07:57 AM  
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2012-10-07 02:08:45 AM  

Rufus Lee King: The..photograph..was...staged...you..goddamned...idiots.


sigh. no it is not, there is at least one other photo of it from another angle by another photographer on the scene.
 
2012-10-07 02:09:25 AM  

halfof33: 2words1finger: Wow, there sure are a lot of people here who seem to believe that there's nothing wrong with a little sexual assault. I hope to god that none of you have children or is able to procreate.

Seriously.

actually, there is a wee bit of difference between people challenging the claim that it was sexual assault and people claiming that there is nothing wrong with it.


If after reading the entire article, particularly the parts where Greta Friedman clearly relates how she was not a willing participant, you don't see how this was without a doubt sexual assault, then you're one of the people I'm talking about. Please go pull a David Carradine in your closet post haste.
 
2012-10-07 02:10:56 AM  
Call me frigid, call me whatever you like. I don't care what the circumstances are, some guy grabbing me on the street like that and kissing me would make me feel extremely uncomfortable/unsafe/and just a wee bit violated. (Assuming the photo wasn't staged, but also in general.)

I don't agree with the author in regard to the severity of the offense, but my body is my own and no one else is entitled to it.
 
2012-10-07 02:11:32 AM  

Sexpun T'Come: I would consider myself a feminist, and I'm not offended at all by the picture, it's cute.
Feminists like this blogger make all feminists look bad.


I think the real key here is that it's a "feminist blogger". I don't know how this blogger managed to game her way onto so many websites, but if I had to guess, this is someone trying to manufacture controversy for the sake of self-promotion. Obviously Leopard's website doesn't have banner ads (why bother these days) but Leopard is probably fishing for work.

I'm not trying to diminish Leopard's point, by the way, and I'm not sure this makes feminists look bad. Well, from the point that we're talking about a photo that happened 60 years ago, yes, getting bent out of shape about a 60 year old event does seem to be a little farking stupid, but the point of not treating women as if they're something which provides enjoyment on demand, yes that's a good point.
 
2012-10-07 02:11:38 AM  

FormlessOne: And, speaking of attention whoring, Wikipedia's article on the photo is already updated with the blogger's claim of sexual assault...


Seriously, I don't see that. Here's the link I'm reading; where is that claim?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-J_Day_in_Times_Square
 
2012-10-07 02:12:10 AM  

feffer: Assault is totally cool if you do it out of joy!


You want to talk about assault? Fine. It's probably assault if you did it today. However, you still might be able to get away with it at a football game after your team won. Not because it's not assault, but because the person on the receiving end understands what all the celebrating is about.

We need to stay away from the notion that this was in any way sexual. It wasn't sexual. It was, 'AMERICA! FARK YEAH!'

/just full of phalocentric rapesplanation tonight.
 
2012-10-07 02:12:58 AM  

halfof33: Rufus Lee King: The..photograph..was...staged...you..goddamned...idiots.

sigh. no it is not, there is at least one other photo of it from another angle by another photographer on the scene.


The presence of two cameras makes it impossible to stage things.
 
2012-10-07 02:13:20 AM  
She looks really uncomfortable in that picture and that makes it uncomfortable to look at in general. The fact that he didn't have consent and did the same thing to other women pushes it right over into creepy.
 
2012-10-07 02:14:49 AM  

2words1finger: f after reading the entire article, particularly the parts where Greta Friedman clearly relates how she was not a willing participant, you don't see how this was without a doubt sexual assault, then you're one of the people I'm talking about. Please go pull a David Carradine in your closet post haste.


lolz. You think that a couple of quotes are better than actually reading the comprehensive analysis that went into identifying those people and the entire quotes of the woman in the photo? She doesn't think it was sexual assault, ya mope.

Why don't you go pick a couple of cherries and cram them, sport.
 
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