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(Politic365)   Suburban restaurant chains, seeing dinner traffic erode due to recession and widespread foodie mockery, make renewed effort to lure lunch business from beaten-down office workers: "Things like going out to lunch are seen as less risky than before"   (politic365.com ) divider line
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2012-10-06 05:34:10 PM  
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Agrees
 
2012-10-06 05:41:13 PM  
FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.
 
2012-10-06 05:44:43 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


People in the US are afraid of taking time off because they're afraid of being put on the cut list if the office is still functioning with them not there.
 
2012-10-06 08:03:48 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


it's way past sad
 
2012-10-06 08:48:18 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


dustman81: People in the US are afraid of taking time off because they're afraid of being put on the cut list if the office is still functioning with them not there.


This. You take one or two days at a time, near a weekend if you work a Monday through Friday job, so you get a whole four days off in a row. (Insert hallelujah chorus here) No one will do your work while you are gone, so your job is secure if you can catch up the day you come back. Also, since the employer doesn't need a reason to fire or demote you (it's called "at-will" employment) most people don't take the chance at taking their entire vacation at once.
 
2012-10-06 08:57:05 PM  
Over in 1.

Plus, it's not "Foodie" to mock Applebees. Applebees was crap before hipster foodies became cool.
 
2012-10-06 08:59:43 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


This is a blatant troll, why feed it?
 
2012-10-06 09:01:17 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


Greece can tell you something about long vacations.
 
2012-10-06 09:05:10 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


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2012-10-06 09:12:50 PM  
unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.
 
2012-10-06 09:15:58 PM  
Really loving my 30 days/year right now. Though I do currently have about 45 in the bank. the free healthcare is pretty cool too.

One day when I'm 40, I'll retire and have to deal with the civilian world and its "benefits." That said, my fiancé is a teacher and gets TONS of time off, but doesn't make a whole lot. Between the two of us, we do OK.
 
2012-10-06 09:17:20 PM  
If you are doing what you love, then you don't need time off. I work with the mentally handicap at a state run facility here in Nevada. Today I gave a forty three year old man enough electric shock therapy to eject three fillings from his mouth. I don't need a vacation.
 
2012-10-06 09:20:47 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.
 
Slu
2012-10-06 09:21:07 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


My company requires every employee to take at least two consecutive weeks off every year. We have to certify with HR that we have done it and you need Sr. Executive approval to get the requirement waved. It is nice to know you have the block. Went to Spain last year.
 
2012-10-06 09:23:06 PM  
What.
People still eat out?
 
2012-10-06 09:23:43 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


No, it's not considered a luxury. It's considered career suicide.
 
2012-10-06 09:24:26 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


10/10 with several bites coming..
 
2012-10-06 09:24:28 PM  
Did he just say that the movie Waiting had something to do with the recession? I'm not looking it up but that movie had to come out at least a decade ago.

/great movie though
 
2012-10-06 09:24:40 PM  
Le Bomb Suprize: I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.

Now you're being ridiculous. It's hardly reasonable to compare a luxury such as a vacation to a biological function.
 
2012-10-06 09:24:55 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


So, let me get this straight, you would hire someone else. "There are a lot of peple out there looking for jobs" But that position you are looking to fill is nonessential, "If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential"

Sure you said that the employee is nonessential, but wouldn't you notice it before that individual took a two week vacation?
 
2012-10-06 09:24:57 PM  

Le Bomb Suprize: I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.


I had a Gannett job where we just wore catheters at our desks.
 
2012-10-06 09:25:30 PM  
If I'm so valuable that you can't live a week without me, then you should pay me way more.

/I love how the most "important" people spend six weeks in Florida every year and things go on without a hitch.
 
2012-10-06 09:25:57 PM  

Slu: xl5150: Slu:
My company requires every employee to take at least two consecutive weeks off every year. We have to certify with HR that we have done it and you need Sr. Executive approval to get the requirement waved. It is nice to know you have the block. Went to Spain last year.


Financial company?

I get 26 days of PTO a year in the US.
 
2012-10-06 09:26:07 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


Does nobody working for you take vacations out of state, much less out of the country? Sounds like a great place to work.

/gonnw be gone at least a week or two to take my fiancé to Greece for our honeymoon!
 
2012-10-06 09:26:09 PM  
My company has a chef on staff to provide breakfast and lunch ... it's pretty nice.

Also down the street from a very good bbq rest..
 
2012-10-06 09:27:02 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


It's not just sad. It's sick and pretty farking stupid.
 
2012-10-06 09:27:44 PM  
I don't know anybody afraid of taking alunch or vacation. I just got back from 2 weeks off.
 
2012-10-06 09:28:35 PM  

MemeSlave: Over in 1.

Plus, it's not "Foodie" to mock Applebees. Applebees was crap before hipster foodies became cool.


That's a load of crap.
You obviously haven't had their fried chicken salad.
 
Slu
2012-10-06 09:30:56 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Slu: xl5150: Slu:
My company requires every employee to take at least two consecutive weeks off every year. We have to certify with HR that we have done it and you need Sr. Executive approval to get the requirement waved. It is nice to know you have the block. Went to Spain last year.

Financial company?

I get 26 days of PTO a year in the US.


Yup - Bank. I get 28 days and I have been here less than 3 years.
 
2012-10-06 09:31:10 PM  
I get 19 days a year. So far in 2012 I have taken 0. Not proud of that fact.
 
2012-10-06 09:31:48 PM  

Izunbacol: Really loving my 30 days/year right now. Though I do currently have about 45 in the bank. the free healthcare is pretty cool too.

One day when I'm 40, I'll retire and have to deal with the civilian world and its "benefits." That said, my fiancé is a teacher and gets TONS of time off, but doesn't make a whole lot. Between the two of us, we do OK.


You're familiar with the term, "jinx," right?
 
2012-10-06 09:31:51 PM  
I go out for lunch mainly just to leave the office. We have a great Chinese buffet nearby with a huge sushi bar and a tepanyaki grill. It's literally the best Chinese buffet I've ever been to, and they have $6 lunches.

The only chain nearby is Applebees and they're consistently awful.
 
2012-10-06 09:32:31 PM  
low.dose: So, let me get this straight, you would hire someone else. "There are a lot of peple out there looking for jobs" But that position you are looking to fill is nonessential, "If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential"

Those are the two possible outcomes that could come to management's attention if someone took a vacation. One of them would be bound to be true.

low.dose: Sure you said that the employee is nonessential, but wouldn't you notice it before that individual took a two week vacation?

In an ideal situation, yes. However, sometimes things like that don't get noticed right away, and taking two weeks off would just bring attention to the fact that you're not needed there. That's why I can't fathom why someone would want to do it. "Hey boss, you don't need me around here and things will go just fine while I'm gone, so I'm gonna take off for two weeks." That will definitely stand out in management's mind the next time a round of layoffs come around.
 
2012-10-06 09:34:13 PM  
Got denied two days off by my boss, who just got back from 2 months in Sweden.
 
2012-10-06 09:34:55 PM  
The only problem I ever see is places without lunch menus. Your average person doesn't want to spend $20 bucks on lunch.
 
2012-10-06 09:35:40 PM  

Enigmamf: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

No, it's not considered a luxury. It's considered career suicide.


You see, the rumors about overworked American workers are, indeed, true - when you can hire 3 developers in Bangalore for the price of a single developer in the United States, you have to figure out how to get your money's worth here

Le Bomb Suprize: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.


I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any reason.

See, here in the United States, your employer doesn't give a rat's ass about you - just what you can do for them. The lower you are in the market food chain, the less they have to care - if they could get away with pulling a Foxconn here, you'd see half the companies in America line up to take the early adopter seminar.
 
2012-10-06 09:36:08 PM  
moefuggenbrew: Got denied two days off by my boss, who just got back from 2 months in Sweden.

Then work hard, apply yourself, and become a boss. Your boss went to Sweden because he's the boss, not the worker. Once you've accomplished enough to be in charge you can reward yourself with time off if you deem that you have deserved it. Until then, it's your boss's call.
 
2012-10-06 09:36:22 PM  

dustman81: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

People in the US are afraid of taking time off because they're afraid of being put on the cut list if the office is still functioning with them not there.


Yep. I'm not afraid of it myself because A. almost no one can do my job as well as I can, and B. even if they could, most Americans blow risk of retaliation in the workplace way out of proportion. So I happily take weeks off whenever I want, and if I'm out of paid time I'll just take unpaid time.

I believe B is a trait Americans pick up in our school system (which tries to crush out all questioning of authority), which is why it might not be seen in other countries as much. I usually roll my eyes when people generalize about "Americans" but our schools really are more soul-crushing than in other countries, especially in the early grades.
 
2012-10-06 09:37:16 PM  

MugzyBrown: I don't know anybody afraid of taking alunch or vacation. I just got back from 2 weeks off.


This. Boss comp'd me two weeks PTO when my first born arrived, then gave me another week in July for putting in some long hours over the spring. Finally burned some actual PTO when I another week in September, and I plan on doing so again in December. Boss encourages all of this for all of us because he realizes stressed out unhappy people are unproductive people.

Nothing burns down while I'm gone because I'm relatively competent, and work with a staff of relatively competent people. If I didn't have my shiat together to the point where I COULD take off without worry, then I'm not doing my job.

/Yes, I work in IT
//Last job was the same way. Averaged 6 weeks off a year, most of it off the books.
///Comp time FTW
 
2012-10-06 09:39:49 PM  

xl5150: moefuggenbrew: Got denied two days off by my boss, who just got back from 2 months in Sweden.

Then work hard, apply yourself, and become a boss. Your boss went to Sweden because he's the boss, not the worker. Once you've accomplished enough to be in charge you can reward yourself with time off if you deem that you have deserved it. Until then, it's your boss's call.


Just shows me his boss is nonessential. Hopefully executive management realizes this and fires him.
 
2012-10-06 09:40:05 PM  

Slu: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

My company requires every employee to take at least two consecutive weeks off every year. We have to certify with HR that we have done it and you need Sr. Executive approval to get the requirement waved. It is nice to know you have the block. Went to Spain last year.


That is an audit requirement in financial companies. Especially if you handle funds directly.
 
2012-10-06 09:40:55 PM  

xl5150: moefuggenbrew: Got denied two days off by my boss, who just got back from 2 months in Sweden.

Then work hard, apply yourself, and become a boss. Your boss went to Sweden because he's the boss, not the worker. Once you've accomplished enough to be in charge you can reward yourself with time off if you deem that you have deserved it. Until then, it's your boss's call.


I vote shoot the farker.
 
2012-10-06 09:41:07 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: I had a Gannett job where we just wore catheters at our desks.


wow, that's a nice perk. we were just given britas.
 
2012-10-06 09:41:44 PM  
I earn 16 hours of annual leave per month and 8 hours sick per month. Plus the usual state and federal holidays. Even get a day for my bday.
I have 420 hours of annual and over 600 hours sick banked.
I use my comp time for vacations in stead of leave. Wish I could sell it back.
/govt employee
 
2012-10-06 09:41:49 PM  
Over_Zealously_Apathetic: Just shows me his boss is nonessential. Hopefully executive management realizes this and fires him.

Not quite. I would venture to guess that a boss is harder to replace than a worker-monkey.
 
2012-10-06 09:43:33 PM  
I work for the federal govt and get 20 days of annual leave per year plus paid holidays and sick time. After 15 years it goes up to 26 days. My coworkers routinely go on 3 week vacations. Plus we have use or lose, so many folks (esp those who have been around a long time) take off a couple of weeks around the holidays.
 
2012-10-06 09:43:35 PM  
I've gotten my notice for vacation days (retail, so take this with a grain of salt). 12 for 2013 all paid, but all must be taken before November 1 (not an unreasonable requirement considering Christmas crap). I'm allowed to bank no more than 5 days per year, up to a maximum of 35. The tools at home office get twice as much, because when selling stuff, the people at a desk thinking up arbitrary numbers are orders of magnitude more important than people who actually sell stuff.

/Angry rant off
//Still looking for better work
 
2012-10-06 09:44:06 PM  

xl5150: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: Just shows me his boss is nonessential. Hopefully executive management realizes this and fires him.

Not quite. I would venture to guess that a boss is harder to replace than a worker-monkey.


Doesn't sound like the boss needs to be replaced at all. Sounds like a non-essential position.
 
2012-10-06 09:44:32 PM  

xl5150: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: Just shows me his boss is nonessential. Hopefully executive management realizes this and fires him.

Not quite. I would venture to guess that a boss is harder to replace than a worker-monkey.


Yeah, middle management is so hard to come by.
 
2012-10-06 09:44:43 PM  
Man, I did not read this thread before I posted. I can't think of the last time I took a vacation. At least 8 years ago. I just don't have the money. I save up but end up using it to help someone.
 
2012-10-06 09:45:49 PM  
Hmmm. I get 20 days vacation, 20 days sick time, 12 days holiday, 2 personal, 8 hours of 'it was snowing really hard this morning.' All paid.


Thank you union!

/runs
 
2012-10-06 09:46:30 PM  

Slu: TheGreatGazoo: Slu: xl5150: Slu:
My company requires every employee to take at least two consecutive weeks off every year. We have to certify with HR that we have done it and you need Sr. Executive approval to get the requirement waved. It is nice to know you have the block. Went to Spain last year.

Financial company?

I get 26 days of PTO a year in the US.

Yup - Bank. I get 28 days and I have been here less than 3 years.


20 Vacation, 13 holiday, 2 personal per year. Max of 40 days in the bank for vacation. I already get the week between Christmas and New Years off, and usually take an additional week after that. After that, it's mostly random days through the year to go on short trips or just do stuff around the house or just do nothing.

I'm trying to remember if I can think of a time in the last 3 years where I told someone on my staff they couldn't take a day off and I can't. We're a somewhat small team and I just ask that they check the calendar to make sure that at least one person (even me) is in, otherwise give me as much advance notice as the time you're taking off. Want to take a week off? Let me know a week ahead of time.

/works for a major University that rhymes with Schmarvard
//plus a max of 130 days sick time
 
2012-10-06 09:47:02 PM  

not5am: HotIgneous Intruder: I had a Gannett job where we just wore catheters at our desks.

wow, that's a nice perk. we were just given britas.


Saves time on water breaks too, eh?
 
2012-10-06 09:47:54 PM  

wildlifer: I earn 16 hours of annual leave per month and 8 hours sick per month. Plus the usual state and federal holidays. Even get a day for my bday.
I have 420 hours of annual and over 600 hours sick banked.
I use my comp time for vacations in stead of leave. Wish I could sell it back.
/govt employee


Use them all up when you're ready to retire and get full pay for a chunk of time after you've said adios to working.
 
2012-10-06 09:48:37 PM  
If a company could come to the conclusion they should ditch me after missing me for 2 weeks, I'd leave on my own. Wtf kind of reasoning is that?

"I think I'm kinda useless, so I wanna make sure I keep getting paid for it."
 
2012-10-06 09:50:51 PM  
Cheer up, America. When you're unemployed, every day is a vacation!
 
2012-10-06 09:51:55 PM  
The restaurants simply need more flair
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2012-10-06 09:54:07 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

dustman81: People in the US are afraid of taking time off because they're afraid of being put on the cut list if the office is still functioning with them not there.

This. You take one or two days at a time, near a weekend if you work a Monday through Friday job, so you get a whole four days off in a row. (Insert hallelujah chorus here) No one will do your work while you are gone, so your job is secure if you can catch up the day you come back. Also, since the employer doesn't need a reason to fire or demote you (it's called "at-will" employment) most people don't take the chance at taking their entire vacation at once.


That's pretty much the way it has been for most places I've worked. Anyone who actually took two weeks off (consecutively) was put on both lists:

1. The company can function without you for two weeks.
2. You are making so much you can afford to travel.

You may get made redundant for #1, or you simply stop getting raises for #2.

Better to use the vacation days one by one for things like getting errands done or going to the doctor.

Personally, I usually just end up with unused vacation time at the end of the year, because, quite honestly, I don't know what kind of travel I could even afford if I DID take 2 weeks off consecutively.
 
2012-10-06 09:54:21 PM  

Jocundry: Hmmm. I get 20 days vacation, 20 days sick time, 12 days holiday, 2 personal, 8 hours of 'it was snowing really hard this morning.' All paid.


Thank you union!

/runs


Oh, I have 20 days of sick time at a time. If I use any sick days, I get them back as long as I work 40 hours. So I could take 20 days sick time and work 40 hours and then get my 20 days back.
 
2012-10-06 09:54:21 PM  

Silly Jesus: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

Greece can tell you something about long vacations.


Exactly. Because it's either all or nothing

/the mind of a conservative
 
2012-10-06 09:55:15 PM  

xl5150: That will definitely stand out in management's mind the next time a round of layoffs come around.


that sounds lime the kind of company that won't stay in business to long or doesn't plan to grow at all. during a period of slow business and/or given enough time, management will be able to plan a temporary redistribution of the workload while the enployee is gone. just because it ends up working out temporarily doesn't mean that person isn't needed. it shows the rest of the employees can handle a temporary increase in workload. a permanent increase in workload might result increased errors in the long run.
 
2012-10-06 09:55:35 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.



Just stop posting. Every weekend you get caught up in more lies about your personal life. You don' even run daddies lemonade stand
 
2012-10-06 09:56:57 PM  
I would give up all PTO if I could leave the office by 5pm and not work any weekends.
 
2012-10-06 09:57:29 PM  
If you give me vacation days, I'm going to use them all in the year. The same with sick days. I haven't gotten axed because of it yet. If you don't want your employees to use them, don't give them out.
 
2012-10-06 09:57:44 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


And the reasonable half of us are trying to stop the other half from destroying what's left of our unions. Of course, the people that will get farked the hardest right of the bat are the ones siding with the GOP and screeching about how unions are the devil.

We are a stupid bunch.

You start with 2 weeks/year where I work, and people think that's good. I think it goes to 3 weeks after maybe 7 years. I take it 2 days at a time to extend my weekends. And what's funny is management biatches about how often I take trips. However, if I ask for a full week off they biatch about how that's going to negatively impact my project timelines. Of course, we've got a division in Europe where people take entire months off at a time, and leave nothing but messages like "I'm on vacation. I'll be back __/__/____. Contact ________ if it can't wait." Things don't seem to fall apart over there.
 
2012-10-06 09:59:03 PM  

Xanlexian: xl5150: Over_Zealously_Apathetic: Just shows me his boss is nonessential. Hopefully executive management realizes this and fires him.

Not quite. I would venture to guess that a boss is harder to replace than a worker-monkey.

Doesn't sound like the boss needs to be replaced at all. Sounds like a non-essential position.



Don't even bother. That troll has been caught in more lies than Romney. He's just a grunt who wishes he was the ceo and blindly worships authority
 
2012-10-06 09:59:36 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


Yeah, like sysadmins. If the servers don't fail when they're gone for more than a few days then you really don't need 'em. The sysadmins that are always working around the clock to fix crashes, keep those since they work harder.
 
2012-10-06 10:01:32 PM  
Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work and WHY do you still work under those conditions???
 
2012-10-06 10:02:16 PM  

aerojockey: most Americans blow risk of retaliation in the workplace way out of proportion.


"Right to Work"/At-will employment means most people have zero job security.

Bad job market means that losing your job means it's next to impossible to get one to replace it.

Crap economy means most people don't have enough money on hand to support them without a job for any real length of time.

Of course people are going to be scared shiatless of retaliation for taking vacation time. The storm of lousy workers rights in the US, with a bad economy on top of that means the workers are exploited by the employers.

All the while we have politicians up there crooning on and on about how "Job Creators" are good virtuous people that power the economy. . .and all they give a fark about is how to make more money by probably firing people, outsourcing to India and China, and cutting wages and benefits.
 
2012-10-06 10:02:37 PM  

FormlessOne: I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any r ...


that sounds like a labor law violation. you're supposed to get paid 30 minute break for lunch for 8 hours of work. there's alot of sweat shopish operations that operate like this, betting the people they hire won't know labor laws.
 
2012-10-06 10:03:03 PM  
www.luminomagazine.com

"Yeaaah... two weeks might be a bit much."
 
2012-10-06 10:03:35 PM  

not5am: xl5150: That will definitely stand out in management's mind the next time a round of layoffs come around.

that sounds lime the kind of company that won't stay in business to long or doesn't plan to grow at all. during a period of slow business and/or given enough time, management will be able to plan a temporary redistribution of the workload while the enployee is gone. just because it ends up working out temporarily doesn't mean that person isn't needed. it shows the rest of the employees can handle a temporary increase in workload. a permanent increase in workload might result increased errors in the long run.


Reminds me of when the MN state gov shut down for a day. Then we had to listen to people scream about how it isn't needed.... See, look.... They shut down and it wasn't even a big deal.

In other news I didn't eat breakfast this morning, and I feel fine. I guess food is a waste of money.
 
2012-10-06 10:04:57 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


Not sure if trolling... or a shiathead.
 
2012-10-06 10:05:02 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

It's not just sad. It's sick and pretty farking stupid.


It's stories & threads like this that make so glad I'm unemployably nuts. It'd tough being broke all the time but at least the only person driving me crazy is me.

I read an article about how you can tune down and eventually eliminate hearing voices by negotiating with them. they just tell me "Shut up fool!" about 37,000 times. It's too bad I can't go on strike.

Then I get an earworm like the "wet" sax solo from "Money." For a week. That listening to it only reinforces.

But at least I don't have to wear a catheter at my desk. Yet.


/Simple: the voices dictate what I post here.
 
2012-10-06 10:05:43 PM  

czei:
Yeah, like sysadmins. If the servers don't fail when they're gone for more than a few days then you really don't need 'em. The sysadmins that are always working around the clock to fix crashes, keep those since they work harder.


This is what professional managers actually believe.
 
2012-10-06 10:06:37 PM  

not5am: FormlessOne: I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any r ...

that sounds like a labor law violation. you're supposed to get paid 30 minute break for lunch for 8 hours of work. there's alot of sweat shopish operations that operate like this, betting the people they hire won't know labor laws.


I'd have to check to be sure, but I'm pretty sure it is illegal to prevent employee access to the restroom. That is, you cannot tell people they can only have x amount of time to use the bathroom. Or can only use it at certain times
 
2012-10-06 10:07:35 PM  

spentmiles: If you are doing what you love, then you don't need time off. I work with the mentally handicap at a state run facility here in Nevada. Today I gave a forty three year old man enough electric shock therapy to eject three fillings from his mouth. I don't need a vacation.


oh my god that horrible! what kind of sadistic creep are you? i should call the internet police on you right now, so some of those fat guys in pseudo-military uniforms come over there are shoot paintballs at each other until someone gets hospitalized.
 
2012-10-06 10:08:22 PM  
seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.
 
2012-10-06 10:09:06 PM  

Jocundry: not5am: FormlessOne: I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any r ...

that sounds like a labor law violation. you're supposed to get paid 30 minute break for lunch for 8 hours of work. there's alot of sweat shopish operations that operate like this, betting the people they hire won't know labor laws.

I'd have to check to be sure, but I'm pretty sure it is illegal to prevent employee access to the restroom. That is, you cannot tell people they can only have x amount of time to use the bathroom. Or can only use it at certain times


Or *they* can only use it at certain times.

Stupid wine.

Sorry for the long requote. Nook don't allow copy-and-paste.
 
2012-10-06 10:11:22 PM  

Enigmamf: Saves time on water breaks too, eh?


saves money on bottled water, lower utility bill, and environmentally friendly!
 
2012-10-06 10:12:31 PM  

Enigmamf: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

No, it's not considered a luxury. It's considered career suicide.


Some companies, like the one I work for, don't allow employees consecutive weeks off. We can accrue two week vacations, but we can't take more than 7-10 days at a time off.
 
2012-10-06 10:15:04 PM  

The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.


Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...
 
2012-10-06 10:16:14 PM  

xl5150: If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs.


I'm guessing nobody works for you for very long?
 
2012-10-06 10:17:02 PM  

xl5150: moefuggenbrew: Got denied two days off by my boss, who just got back from 2 months in Sweden.

Then work hard, apply yourself, and become a boss. Your boss went to Sweden because he's the boss, not the worker. Once you've accomplished enough to be in charge you can reward yourself with time off if you deem that you have deserved it. Until then, it's your boss's call.


That's bullshiat. There's people who are wired to be managers and there's people who are wired to be code monkeys. I'm the kinda guy you put in a room with a list of problems to be solved and you shove food under the door once or twice a day and eventually out pops a solution. I don't manage people, I don't do employee reviews, I don't sign time cards, I don't log shiat in 15 minute intervals in time management system, I solve problems.
 
2012-10-06 10:17:30 PM  

Silverstaff: aerojockey: most Americans blow risk of retaliation in the workplace way out of proportion.

"Right to Work"/At-will employment means most people have zero job security


Zero legal job security. In reality, your bosses (usually) aren't looking to fire people on the turn of a dime, even if they have a legal right to. In fact it's far more common for management to tolerate bad hiring decisions for awhile because of the cost of hiring and training replacements.

You, and most Americans, are overestimating your chances of losing your jobs, you are seriously overestimating the effect of things like taking a vacation will have on losing your jobs, and the amount you make yourselves miserable trying to hang onto that job is way out of proportion to your actual chances of losing it.
 
2012-10-06 10:18:40 PM  

gadian: If you give me vacation days, I'm going to use them all in the year. The same with sick days. I haven't gotten axed because of it yet. If you don't want your employees to use them, don't give them out.


alot of companies require employees to take all their vacation days. merrill lynch requires x days taken by each quarter or the employee is forced to take the unused days.

again, if vacation time is how management determines who to layoff, that company is being run horribly.
 
2012-10-06 10:18:53 PM  
So there are people who still don't get the 5150 reference, huh?
 
2012-10-06 10:19:52 PM  

aerojockey:

You, and most Americans, are overestimating your chances of losing your jobs, you are seriously overestimating the effect of things like taking a vacation will have on losing your jobs, and the amount you make yourselves miserable trying to hang onto that job is way out of proportion to your actual chances of losing it.


I think it's more that most Americans convince themselves that they are so essential and matter so much that they possibly couldn't take that much time off, lest the whole operation fall apart.
 
2012-10-06 10:20:13 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


You must work for a company that has a wonderful management team. Places like yours work tend to have very unhappy workers and high turnover rates. The worker isnt the problem, it's the the "leaders" from the lowest in the chain of command all the way to the top.
 
2012-10-06 10:24:34 PM  

My Bologna Has A Maiden Name: Cheer up, America. When you're unemployed, every day is a vacation!


reminds me of a doug stanhope joke/rant about how gov't/people should be working towards zero employment, creating a society in the long term where no one needs to work.
 
2012-10-06 10:24:50 PM  

not5am: FormlessOne: I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any r ...

that sounds like a labor law violation. you're supposed to get paid 30 minute break for lunch for 8 hours of work. there's alot of sweat shopish operations that operate like this, betting the people they hire won't know labor laws.


My company (again, retail) gets around that little requirement by allowing "anytime" 15 minute breaks - you can take them when you want, but it's your responsibility to monitor yourself. I'll admit, I've been short handed on busy sales days (because we cut hours because sales suck for a quarter, and I'm salaried, so my overtime is free) and simply didn't take breaks because there wasn't time. I do also note that non-smokers seem much less likely to take the breaks than smokers (If I work for 4 hours on a slow day, I don't need a fricking break). I just go out and socialize WITH the smokers.
 
2012-10-06 10:24:59 PM  

dustman81: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

People in the US are afraid of taking time off because they're afraid of being put on the cut list if the office is still functioning with them not there.


I had 3 weeks/year at my last job. Most I ever took at once was two weeks. And I warned my boss that about a week of that trip was going to be in an area with no cell coverage or even a land line. (Gotta love a cabin in the woods.) When I got back, my boss jokingly said, "No more two week vacations!" He immediately followed that with, "I'm kidding. I don't want you to think I was being serious. You can always take as much vacation time as you have accrued." I got a few "thank God you're back" comments from other department managers so I actually felt very comfortable going on vacation. :)

Seriously, tho, they were a great company. When I had a family emergency, the response was, "Go. Take all the time you need. If you need anything, let us know. We'll take sick time first, then vacation. When that's gone, we'll figure something out."
 
2012-10-06 10:25:25 PM  

steveo1983: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

You must work for a company that has a wonderful management team. Places like yours work tend to have very unhappy workers and high turnover rates. The worker isnt the problem, it's the the "leaders" from the lowest in the chain of command all the way to the top.


This is a wonderful post on many levels.
 
2012-10-06 10:26:35 PM  

not5am: My Bologna Has A Maiden Name: Cheer up, America. When you're unemployed, every day is a vacation!

reminds me of a doug stanhope joke/rant about how gov't/people should be working towards zero employment, creating a society in the long term where no one needs to work.


sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-06 10:26:58 PM  

seadoo2006: The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.

Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...


Unless I'm getting paid there's no way I'm spending an extra minute with the farkfaces at work.
 
2012-10-06 10:26:58 PM  

xl5150: low.dose: So, let me get this straight, you would hire someone else. "There are a lot of peple out there looking for jobs" But that position you are looking to fill is nonessential, "If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential"

Those are the two possible outcomes that could come to management's attention if someone took a vacation. One of them would be bound to be true.

low.dose: Sure you said that the employee is nonessential, but wouldn't you notice it before that individual took a two week vacation?

In an ideal situation, yes. However, sometimes things like that don't get noticed right away, and taking two weeks off would just bring attention to the fact that you're not needed there. That's why I can't fathom why someone would want to do it. "Hey boss, you don't need me around here and things will go just fine while I'm gone, so I'm gonna take off for two weeks." That will definitely stand out in management's mind the next time a round of layoffs come around.


If you have a good team of workers, a two week vacation should be easy to cover. That doesn't necessarily mean they are nonessential. It means your team can step up their game to temporarily cover them. How does your company hanle LOA's? Do they get fired or laid off after a heart attack or a necessary surgery?
 
2012-10-06 10:30:26 PM  
The most I've ever had for paid time off was a week- but you had to work to accumulate it. Therefore, your first year working, you had literally no paid time off. I've worked in IT for ten years now. I've never had a job where I could take more than a day off at once without fearing retaliation, or actually receiving retaliation. This thread is so farking depressing and reminds me how my parents are constantly telling me "just get a good job, just become a manager".
I don't have a choice about picking a 'good' one, any job will do.
t.qkme.me
Every time I freaking call...

One day, I want a job where I can take a whole week off at once. I can't even imagine how cool that would be.
 
2012-10-06 10:31:48 PM  

steveo1983: If you have a good team of workers, a two week vacation should be easy to cover. That doesn't necessarily mean they are nonessential. It means your team can step up their game to temporarily cover them. How does your company hanle LOA's? Do they get fired or laid off after a heart attack or a necessary surgery?


I'd bet they wouldn't be able to afford the heart attack care or surgery.
 
2012-10-06 10:32:24 PM  

steveo1983: If you have a good team of workers, a two week vacation should be easy to cover. That doesn't necessarily mean they are nonessential. It means your team can step up their game to temporarily cover them. How does your company hanle LOA's? Do they get fired or laid off after a heart attack or a necessary surgery?



He doesn't have a company. he has an office next to his daddy and pretends to run the place. He's already been caught making up lies and blatant trolling when his claim of "self made millionaire" "my grades were so good all the top colleges begged me to go for free" and then another topic "daddy paid for my private schooling." You can see why they don't mix. And instead of running away he keeps coming back to dig a bigger hole. He desperately wants to pretend he's a Carnegie.
 
2012-10-06 10:32:46 PM  

fredbox: So there are people who still don't get the 5150 reference, huh?


He's crazy!
 
2012-10-06 10:33:15 PM  
Remember folks you don't get paid for sick time if you get fired. Last company knew that and screwed me even though I was working m-f and every other sunday. At least I got the vacation I was owed. Manager was clueless and never oversaw our work, only sat in his cube and paged us endlessly to report to his manager. Try fixing high tech equipment while you get paged for an update every 15 minutes.
 
2012-10-06 10:33:50 PM  
Oh and one more. He claimed to self finance his car insurance by handing the state of California $35k cash money because he didn't want to pay "rising premiums from speeding tickets"

Okay so you are worried about the cost of rising premiums but would rather lose tens of thousands of dollars every year sitting in the state's bank account not yours?
 
2012-10-06 10:34:10 PM  
Man, if I took a two-week vacation the booths would look like Jackson Pollocks
 
2012-10-06 10:36:25 PM  

fredbox: So there are people who still don't get the 5150 reference, huh?



That's hilarious. I had to google it, not familiar with that. So he is just a loser fake troll like all the rest of the angry conservatives here on Fark. Sadly I have no experience with quack doctors so 5150 means nothing to me.
 
2012-10-06 10:36:43 PM  
Eh, took a week off for a staycation last month. The world didn't crumble and I came back to the same job, no problem. But, seeing as how I basically work in and office equivalent of the Borg Collective, there's always another processor to pick up my workload and make the numbers and keep my seat warm until I get back from whatever I'm doing in my free time.

/processor in the foreclosure/property preservation industry
 
2012-10-06 10:37:55 PM  

intelligent comment below: Oh and one more. He claimed to self finance his car insurance by handing the state of California $35k cash money because he didn't want to pay "rising premiums from speeding tickets"

Okay so you are worried about the cost of rising premiums but would rather lose tens of thousands of dollars every year sitting in the state's bank account not yours?


Well, not saying that it wasn't a flat out lie, but I know a few people that do self-FRA bonds to avoid the car-insurance scam. It's wholly dumb because, yes, it ties up your money in the state's coffers, but if you live in a state or city where insurance is stupid expensive (NYC, for instance you can see premiums of $3000-4000/year), you CAN make out if you drive reasonably sane and don't wreck your car.

Anytime a person is required to file and maintain Proof of Financial Responsibility Insurance with the BMV, it can be done by one of the following types of insurance:

-Certificate of Insurance (Form SR22) - obtained from a licensed insurance agency;
-Surety Bond in the amount of $32,500 - obtained from a licensed insurance agency;
-BMV Certificate for money or government bonds in the amount of $30,000 on deposit with the Ohio Treasurer.
 
2012-10-06 10:38:16 PM  

ThePastafarian: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

Not sure if trolling... or a shiathead.


These days, it is impossible to tell. But some management types actually believe this stuff. And (except for the dumb ones - and there are plenty) it has nothing to do with productivity - well-rested secure workers are more productive than exhausted terrified workers - it's all about power. Sometimes profit is worth sacrificing if it means you have greater control over your workforce.
 
2012-10-06 10:39:58 PM  
Imagine even getting enough time off to have a surgery without getting fired. I feel bad that these are my hopeful daydreams.
 
2012-10-06 10:42:07 PM  
We don't have any kind of tracked vacation or personal time where I work. People just wander off as long as their projects are done.

I was at work on Friday, and I was wondering, "where is everybody." It was just a nice weather day, and it looked like people just wandered off to enjoy it.
 
2012-10-06 10:42:50 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Le Bomb Suprize: I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.

I had a Gannett job where we just wore catheters at our desks.


Don't even joke about catheters. Those things are hideous.
 
2012-10-06 10:43:01 PM  

seadoo2006: Well, not saying that it wasn't a flat out lie, but I know a few people that do self-FRA bonds to avoid the car-insurance scam. It's wholly dumb because, yes, it ties up your money in the state's coffers, but if you live in a state or city where insurance is stupid expensive (NYC, for instance you can see premiums of $3000-4000/year), you CAN make out if you drive reasonably sane and don't wreck your car.

Anytime a person is required to file and maintain Proof of Financial Responsibility Insurance with the BMV, it can be done by one of the following types of insurance:

-Certificate of Insurance (Form SR22) - obtained from a licensed insurance agency;
-Surety Bond in the amount of $32,500 - obtained from a licensed insurance agency;
-BMV Certificate for money or government bonds in the amount of $30,000 on deposit with the Ohio Treasurer.


Sure and that's hoping you never get in an accident. Good luck with that in CA or NY for example

Give me 32,500 and I will make far more than 4k investing it. That's why it's a waste sitting in the states coffers.
 
2012-10-06 10:44:05 PM  

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The only trouble I see with that is that they'd probably just all engage themselves in ultraviolence.
 
2012-10-06 10:46:25 PM  

intelligent comment below: seadoo2006: Well, not saying that it wasn't a flat out lie, but I know a few people that do self-FRA bonds to avoid the car-insurance scam. It's wholly dumb because, yes, it ties up your money in the state's coffers, but if you live in a state or city where insurance is stupid expensive (NYC, for instance you can see premiums of $3000-4000/year), you CAN make out if you drive reasonably sane and don't wreck your car.

Anytime a person is required to file and maintain Proof of Financial Responsibility Insurance with the BMV, it can be done by one of the following types of insurance:

-Certificate of Insurance (Form SR22) - obtained from a licensed insurance agency;
-Surety Bond in the amount of $32,500 - obtained from a licensed insurance agency;
-BMV Certificate for money or government bonds in the amount of $30,000 on deposit with the Ohio Treasurer.

Sure and that's hoping you never get in an accident. Good luck with that in CA or NY for example

Give me 32,500 and I will make far more than 4k investing it. That's why it's a waste sitting in the states coffers.


Completely agree with you ... however, Ohio allows for Ohio bond holders to apply for coverage, so as long as you're invested in some long-term, low-risk, low-return state bonds, you can apply for the exemption.

But, yeah, in 99/100 cases, you're going to lose in the long term rather than ponying up yearly to an insurance company and having a claim every decade or so.
 
2012-10-06 10:55:44 PM  

Karma Chameleon: aerojockey:

You, and most Americans, are overestimating your chances of losing your jobs, you are seriously overestimating the effect of things like taking a vacation will have on losing your jobs, and the amount you make yourselves miserable trying to hang onto that job is way out of proportion to your actual chances of losing it.

I think it's more that most Americans convince themselves that they are so essential and matter so much that they possibly couldn't take that much time off, lest the whole operation fall apart.


I agree....for the first three or so years after college I was working 50 hours or more a week and other than my honeymoon I never took any vacation for three years. I convinced myself I was too valuable and this was being reinforced from management....oh did I mention I was making $30-38k during this time.

After a few life changing events I have now realized that work is just not that important. Do a good job, have a good attitude and set you personal limits of what you will do and the vast majority of managers respect that.

I have worked for seven companies in healthcare (basically a death panel), it, manufacturing, telecom, and aerospace and never had a problem. 'll never be a superstar and I'm okay with that.
 
2012-10-06 10:56:01 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


"Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go yell at that no-good Jetson about his sprocket production numbers."
 
2012-10-06 10:58:44 PM  
No...

img2.10bestmedia.com

... it still sucks.
 
2012-10-06 10:59:37 PM  

seadoo2006: The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.

Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...


Lots of hiring in C-Town, huh? I beg to differ. I have a terrible job and I've been looking for awhile. Everything seems to be part time, temp to possible hire, or want to start you at 12$/ hr.
 
2012-10-06 11:01:18 PM  

Harry_Seldon: We don't have any kind of tracked vacation or personal time where I work. People just wander off as long as their projects are done.

I was at work on Friday, and I was wondering, "where is everybody." It was just a nice weather day, and it looked like people just wandered off to enjoy it.


How does mnagement justify the excess capacity?
 
2012-10-06 11:01:45 PM  

jayhawk88: "Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go yell at that no-good Jetson about his sprocket production numbers."


Uniblab will work your vacation

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2012-10-06 11:04:56 PM  
In the past year I've been going back and forth on applying for a new job to make my commute better but this sort of thing is part of the reason I decided to stay a while ago.

I've know a lot of people who have worked for companies where they have a legitimate reason to fear being fired for stupid crap like this. I work for a company that pays me a reasonable salary, gives me reasonable benefits and treats me like a human being. It was one of the major things I looked for when I graduated and I feel damn lucky to have found it.

I don't understand why companies don't understand that hiring workers of whom you expect a lot but to whom you give appropriate respect, consideration, and compensation is a much more effective way to run a company than terrifying and exploiting everyone under you so that the only people who work there are the ones who can't go someplace better.

Unless something major changes, I probably won't be going anywhere for a while.

\10 days paid vacation per year with carryover for up to 2 years, to increase with seniority
\\I rarely take more than the occasional long weekend, but I'll likely be going away for 3 weeks in the spring for my honeymoon. This month I was happy to help cover for a co-worker who took a few weeks off and he and the others won't complain about doing it for me.
 
2012-10-06 11:05:32 PM  
We have a number of customers in Europe. It's hard to get anything done there in August -- seems like half the continent is on vacation. We had one customer with an overdue invoice, and when we follow up, they tell us it won't get paid for another month because the person with authority to approve it is on vacation. What a mess.
 
2012-10-06 11:07:24 PM  

oukewldave: seadoo2006: The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.

Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...

Lots of hiring in C-Town, huh? I beg to differ. I have a terrible job and I've been looking for awhile. Everything seems to be part time, temp to possible hire, or want to start you at 12$/ hr.


Which side of town are you? Because everything on the east side is desperate for employes. Progressive is on a hiring BOOM and benefits there are ridiculous. My friend has been there for 6 years and gets one day off for every two weeks she works. They are doing a huge hiring push. Swagelok, Brennan Industries, Nestle, and Stouffers are all having major hiring runs right now (In fact, Nestle is getting ready to build a new $50 million R&D building and is hiring 40 new people).

I'm not sure what you do, or what you're looking at doing, but most of the larger employers on the east side are going crazy right now looking for new people.

Solon City Council approves tax incentive agreement with Nestle USA for new research and development center

Progressive Corp. announces plans to hire 337 people in the Greater Cleveland area

Etc etc etc ... again, not sure what field you're in, but you just need to come over to the east side and people are desperate for new hires.
 
2012-10-06 11:12:07 PM  
I work in a hospital in what I would call an extremely high stress environment: I'm on an implementation team who is in the middle of having half our hospitals live on CPOM, and the other half going live in a few months. I spend all my time halfway between build for the app, physician training, meetings, and driving back and forth across the state to our co-location.

I earn 11.5 hours of pto every 2 weeks. People on my team take PLENTY of time off. I've taken 3 weeks off this year, and am still stressed to high heaven... thats just the way it is until the implementation is done. Theres no way I would work at the company I do, in the field I do, without that benefit.

I feel fortunate as hell for my situation, despite the fact that most nights I get to the hotel or back to my house and am a combination of exhausted and/or anxious about work..either way, I feel shiatty for people who don't have the option to take time off, regardless of wether or not they can travel or just stay home.
 
2012-10-06 11:16:25 PM  

assjuice: Harry_Seldon: We don't have any kind of tracked vacation or personal time where I work. People just wander off as long as their projects are done.

I was at work on Friday, and I was wondering, "where is everybody." It was just a nice weather day, and it looked like people just wandered off to enjoy it.

How does mnagement justify the excess capacity?


I don't know, I think they were out enjoying the weather, too.
 
2012-10-06 11:17:32 PM  

seadoo2006: oukewldave: seadoo2006: The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.

Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...

Lots of hiring in C-Town, huh? I beg to differ. I have a terrible job and I've been looking for awhile. Everything seems to be part time, temp to possible hire, or want to start you at 12$/ hr.

Which side of town are you? Because everything on the east side is desperate for employes. Progressive is on a hiring BOOM and benefits there are ridiculous. My friend has been there for 6 years and gets one day off for every two weeks she works. They are doing a huge hiring push. Swagelok, Brennan Industries, Nestle, and Stouffers are all having major hiring runs right now (In fact, Nestle is getting ready to build a new $50 million R&D building and is hiring 40 new people).

I'm not sure what you do, or what you're looking at doing, but most of the larger employers on the east side are going crazy right now looking for new people.

Solon ...


Oh, I'm on the East side... I'm a mechanical designer but can't get enough experience to learn where I'm at and be in more demand because they bounce me around to different areas. And no BSME degree, which seems to be a problem despite working in the industry for 7 years. Also a lot of electrical design, but again no BSEE. Only got a BA in a completely different field. I'd really take any decent job at this point...
 
2012-10-06 11:19:02 PM  

xl5150: If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


If your team can't function because someone took two weeks off for vacation, then your team is run like ass.

If your team can function when someone takes two weeks off, but you then assume that means you can do without that person at all, then your team is run like ass. That's like saying "I was OK for two weeks with zero savings, so that must mean I don't need savings at all!" You need some excess capacity to allow for vacations, sickness, and voluntary turnover, just like you need money set aside for a rainy day. Both are the responsible thing to do.
 
2012-10-06 11:21:42 PM  
I don't know why I read these threads. Back in Japan I think there's one whole month that doesn't have a paid holiday in it and I usually took about three weeks off in August where I'd just connect my paid time off to O-Bon. Now I am hoping I'm lucky enough to find a company to sell my soul to before my savings run out and I starve to death. God bless America.

At least that'll go quick. Leave the country for a few years without paying in unemployment or income tax and you cease to exist. I wasn't even counted in the last census.
 
2012-10-06 11:22:37 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


Unfortunately, it is. Hell, a lot of people are lucky just to be working a full time job at all, let alone one with paid vacation.

/get 3 weeks per year paid vacation
//I'll get 4 weeks if I'm still there two and a half years from now
///one of the many reasons I love my employer
 
2012-10-06 11:22:43 PM  
Gov't employee, so I earn 12 hours of annual leave and 8 hours of sick leave every month, but I'm well into the triple digits on both. Why? Because taking a vacation means a nightmare of backlog waiting for you when you get back. Actually, the longer the vacation the better, because if you're gone for a week you're going to plan ahead and work with your boss to farm out the work for others to cover. Whereas if it's only a couple of days, you're kind of on your own. Even though we're perfectly within our rights to take time off, we're not encouraged to do so, and the workload scares people off from doing it.
/I usually only take a day or two here and there, but I take close to two weeks for Christmas
 
2012-10-06 11:25:28 PM  

oukewldave: seadoo2006: oukewldave: seadoo2006: The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.

Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...

Lots of hiring in C-Town, huh? I beg to differ. I have a terrible job and I've been looking for awhile. Everything seems to be part time, temp to possible hire, or want to start you at 12$/ hr.

Which side of town are you? Because everything on the east side is desperate for employes. Progressive is on a hiring BOOM and benefits there are ridiculous. My friend has been there for 6 years and gets one day off for every two weeks she works. They are doing a huge hiring push. Swagelok, Brennan Industries, Nestle, and Stouffers are all having major hiring runs right now (In fact, Nestle is getting ready to build a new $50 million R&D building and is hiring 40 new people).

I'm not sure what you do, or what you're looking at doing, but most of the larger employers on the east side are going crazy right now looking for new peo ...


Do you have CNC experience? There's quite a few manufacturers looking for CNC programming engineers around the Solon area. I'm not sure all what you are doing or where you experience is, but I'd assume you're proficient in CAD, in which case there are some larger machining industries that may be looking. I'm in home construction, so my best guess for places to start might be in commercial HVAC contractors and/or consulting engineers. But, I'm sure you've been looking. Good luck finding somewhere you like, because life is too short to hate where you are for too long.

:beer:
 
2012-10-06 11:28:30 PM  

Jocundry: not5am: FormlessOne: I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any r ...

that sounds like a labor law violation. you're supposed to get paid 30 minute break for lunch for 8 hours of work. there's alot of sweat shopish operations that operate like this, betting the people they hire won't know labor laws.

I'd have to check to be sure, but I'm pretty sure it is illegal to prevent employee access to the restroom. That is, you cannot tell people they can only have x amount of time to use the bathroom. Or can only use it at certain times


A friend of mine was telling me just yesterday that all employees where she works have to get medical papers signed so that they can have bathroom breaks besides their lunch break. I kind of think I'd firebomb an employer that pulled that shiat; I get dehydrated really easily, so I have to drink a lot of beverages, especially if the temperature is over like 65. Bathroom bathroom WHERE ARE YOU??
 
2012-10-06 11:32:31 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


I hope to never work for you. I get the feeling my tenure under you would end with one of us dead.
 
2012-10-06 11:35:15 PM  

HeartBurnKid: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

I hope to never work for you. I get the feeling my tenure under you would end with one of us dead.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-06 11:37:08 PM  

enry: /works for a major University that rhymes with Schmarvard


I have found that higher ed. and govt., jobs have amazing benefits. I have to take at least 1 day off a month or I lose those 8 hours. Mr. zobear just got a job at the other university in town (the real one), and he's tickled to get sick leave. Never had that in the private sector.
 
2012-10-06 11:37:21 PM  
"Nobody expects two week vacations anymore"

Initially, that gave me a good chuckle, but it's pretty sad, that people are put (or put themselves, whichever) in a situation like that. Is that really how you want to live your life?
When I lived in Europe, I always had just about 30 paid vacation days, plus paid sick days when you're sick. If you're not sick for the year, fine, if you're out for a couple months, fine, too.
In the US, I've always been self-employed. I couldn't put up with the way too many employees are treated out here.
 
2012-10-06 11:38:11 PM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: The most I've ever had for paid time off was a week- but you had to work to accumulate it. Therefore, your first year working, you had literally no paid time off. I've worked in IT for ten years now. I've never had a job where I could take more than a day off at once without fearing retaliation, or actually receiving retaliation. This thread is so farking depressing and reminds me how my parents are constantly telling me "just get a good job, just become a manager".
I don't have a choice about picking a 'good' one, any job will do.

Every time I freaking call...

One day, I want a job where I can take a whole week off at once. I can't even imagine how cool that would be.


It is not all that great. No one touches your work while you're gone and you play catchup for two days while everyone looks the other way. I do mortgages and no one takes time off. Its not because we consider ourselves essential it is because we don't want to fall behind.
 
2012-10-06 11:47:03 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Slu: xl5150: Slu:
My company requires every employee to take at least two consecutive weeks off every year. We have to certify with HR that we have done it and you need Sr. Executive approval to get the requirement waved. It is nice to know you have the block. Went to Spain last year.

Financial company?

I get 26 days of PTO a year in the US.


We're required to take a week in a row off every year (total of 15 working days vacation to start). Banking industry,
 
2012-10-06 11:47:49 PM  

seadoo2006: The One True TheDavid: seadoo2006:

Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work

Sounds like regular jobs to me. Pick a place at random.


and WHY do you still work under those conditions???

Homeless shelters have bedbugs and poor people smell.

Hmm ... sounds like people just suck. Here in Cleveland you can't go anywhere without seeing about 873878164981476 "Hiring" signs ... why work a job you hate? Seriously ...

/Whole office is flying to Cancun the second week in November for the company trip ... WHOLE OFFICE, as in ALL 24 of us ... we're shutting down for a week like we do every year we turn a profit and enjoying an all-inclusive resort (we're also a 100% profit-sharing corporation).
//3 weeks vacation every year (not including the company trip), 1 week sick time.
///Went out west last year for 2 weeks and my co-workers absorbed my work for that time, just like we all do when someone leaves for vacation
////I sorta feel sorry for people who work jobs where they fear for their employment ...


Jeez, I need to send your place a résumé...
 
2012-10-06 11:49:05 PM  

SurelyShirley: In the US, I've always been self-employed. I couldn't put up with the way too many employees are treated out here.


Hey, at least we're not socialisms. We still have our freedom to die in the gutter!
 
2012-10-07 12:10:30 AM  
I've just never understood businesses that discourage workers from taking their time off, and workers who are afraid to use it. Time off is part of your compensation package the same way that your salary is. If a company discourages its employees from using their time off, they should be honest and stop offering time off to their employees. At least then, prospective employees would at least know they were coming to work for a soulless douche of a company.

It's like getting offered a 100K a year job, but the company frowns upon you cashing your whole check every week. Clearly, that means you are paid too much. Stupid logic right? How is that any different from using the vacation days the company promised you when they hired you?
 
2012-10-07 12:14:09 AM  

xl5150: moefuggenbrew: Got denied two days off by my boss, who just got back from 2 months in Sweden.

Then work hard, apply yourself, and become a boss. Your boss went to Sweden because he's the boss, not the worker. Once you've accomplished enough to be in charge you can reward yourself with time off if you deem that you have deserved it. Until then, it's your boss's call.


You literally could not pay me enough to work for a company that allowed this kind of environment. I'd never do it. I've walked off jobs on the first day because I didn't like how I was spoken to by someone. There's no way in hell I would stand for the kind of attitude you're promoting.
 
2012-10-07 12:28:14 AM  
Can we have a "Commercials" section of Fark where we post stupid ads and mock them endlessly?

What's that?

You say I'm boring?

Well I just signed up for Private Pass brought to you by Citi and.......
 
2012-10-07 12:32:37 AM  
Where I work you accrue 13 hours of time off each month. After your first month you get 40 hours of sick time.
After your first year you get 80 hours of sick time every year.
After 3 years you get 16 hours of time off each month.
On your ten and twenty year anniversaries you get an additional 4 weeks of time off. Most people that see that cash out two weeks pay and go on a two week vacation.
Can only carry 240 hours of each kind of time off but you can cash out time off(not sick time) once a year as long as you leave 40 hours in the bank.

As much as I want to go postal on my coworkers and bosses at times; the time off is amazing.
I take a day off every week to go skiing in the winter and I take a half day off most months to either est lunch with my daughter at school and then go fishing.
 
2012-10-07 12:53:13 AM  
I feel pretty good reading this. I get two weeks paid vacation p/year. I get a half hour break a day, I don't always take it, but I could. I also get paid pretty well when all is said and done. I have a boss who genuinely appreciates the effort and time I put in.

I work in retail management BTW.

Lucky guy.
 
2012-10-07 01:01:19 AM  

not5am: FormlessOne: I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but there are companies here in the United States that do, in fact, limit bathroom breaks to 1 per day - 15 minutes total - and that any other breaks you may need are deducted from your paid time. I know, I worked one of those jobs, years ago. You had to punch out & in any time you stepped away from your station, for any r ...

that sounds like a labor law violation. you're supposed to get paid 30 minute break for lunch for 8 hours of work. there's alot of sweat shopish operations that operate like this, betting the people they hire won't know labor laws.


You misunderstand - those 15 minutes of break time are in addition to the half-hour we were given for lunch - it's not illegal, and yes, quite a few shops operate like that without breaking any laws at all. Federal law does not require lunch or breaks. Our lunch time was unpaid time, but the break time was paid time - that's why our employer was a pain about it. Any time we took for breaks beyond that 15-minute allotment was unpaid time. All of that is entirely legal.
 
2012-10-07 01:04:24 AM  
Self-employed consultant here. If i want to take a vacation, I put it on my schedule, and tell my clients I'm not available during that time. Easy.
 
2012-10-07 01:07:38 AM  

HeartBurnKid: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

I hope to never work for you. I get the feeling my tenure under you would end with one of us dead.


No, in any professional environment, it'd end with that chucklehead getting fired at his first performance review for exposing the company to an employer retaliation lawsuit. If your employer provides vacation time and you use that vacation time in an approved manner, attempting to "get rid of them" would actually be an ethical violation. In some states, like California, that's an ass-whupping for the employer. In other states, like Massachusetts, it can be damned hard to prove employer retaliation. Either way, though, most employers worth their salt don't take having some pissant manager exposing the company to unexpected liability, and so it looks better for the employer to fire the pissant manager than it does firing an employee that took approved vacation time.

You're looking at an ITG without a clue talking smack, nothing more.
 
2012-10-07 01:09:04 AM  

Shorelinefarker: Self-employed consultant here. If i want to take a vacation, I put it on my schedule, and tell my clients I'm not available during that time. Easy.


Currently, same here. As long as I don't leave any of my clients in the lurch, and I've given them some warning, they're usually ducky with it. One of the benefits of being a vendor.
 
2012-10-07 01:38:49 AM  

spentmiles: If you are doing what you love, then you don't need time off. I work with the mentally handicap at a state run facility here in Nevada. Today I gave a forty three year old man enough electric shock therapy to eject three fillings from his mouth. I don't need a vacation.


This is your best one yet. Short, sweet, to the point, yet entirely plausible. You sir, are a genius.
 
2012-10-07 01:42:11 AM  
If you're worried about losing your job because you take 2 weeks off, then you suck at your job.
 
2012-10-07 02:11:36 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: What.
People still eat out?


Thats what I told my last ex-girlfriend.
 
2012-10-07 02:14:53 AM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


Ouch. 10/10.
 
2012-10-07 02:32:51 AM  

Fell In Love With a Chair: Imagine even getting enough time off to have a surgery without getting fired. I feel bad that these are my hopeful daydreams.


I can now.

My last job (for a f--king union, who were awfully hypocritical w their own employees) didn't fire me... but I got an official warning for calling into work at 7 instead of 9 AM when management was in. After spending 12 hrs in the ER, full of morphine, and after I managed that slurred call I slept for 18 more hours. Got denied a promotion too.

By the book that was my local management being incompetent douchebags but I had no energy to fight.

My roommate had the job I have now with my current employer (went back to grad school) and got a month off, mostly paid, when she needed emergency surgery. It's nice to know that it's guaranteed both in practice and on the books should I need it...
 
2012-10-07 02:51:20 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Fell In Love With a Chair: Imagine even getting enough time off to have a surgery without getting fired. I feel bad that these are my hopeful daydreams.

I can now.

My last job (for a f--king union, who were awfully hypocritical w their own employees) didn't fire me... but I got an official warning for calling into work at 7 instead of 9 AM when management was in. After spending 12 hrs in the ER, full of morphine, and after I managed that slurred call I slept for 18 more hours. Got denied a promotion too.

By the book that was my local management being incompetent douchebags but I had no energy to fight.

My roommate had the job I have now with my current employer (went back to grad school) and got a month off, mostly paid, when she needed emergency surgery. It's nice to know that it's guaranteed both in practice and on the books should I need it...


My job basically disappeared when I had a second abdominal surgery spring 2011... first one was exploratory, second one was a bit more complicated though still laparoscopy. Both made me incapable of hauling car parts or driving for a week minimum, IIRC it was more like two weeks. The second time around, I know it got kind of slow anyway in April, but after about five weeks off and them telling me again 'no work', I essentially quit and started my ebay thing. Sadly that hasn't gone as well as I'd hoped, compared to that measly paycheck, but the stress levels are WAY down when I'm doing work for that.

It was all unpaid by the company at any rate; I got a few disability checks but when they told me there was no work, those checks stopped coming. Wasn't worth fighting them for a couple hundred bucks when I was happy to just leave.
 
2012-10-07 02:58:09 AM  
Vacations are arranged ahead of time and there's NO reason why people can't get together and decide who will cover their colleague's responsibilities while they're away.

What's more problematic, actually, are sick days - I'm by no means saying that people shouldn't take them if necessary, and obviously you can't know ahead of time when you'll be ill - but especially in task-oriented workplaces, a worker suddenly deciding not to show up can certainly throw a wrench in things. More so when it's shift work and last-minute coverage requires juggling several people's schedules.
 
2012-10-07 05:03:21 AM  
Yeah, wrap your mind around the idea that bedroom communities are damn near empty during the days and blame corporate behavior trends. Meanwhile it's standing room only from 11 to 2 at the eateries in the city. Then go to lunch at one restaurant in the city and dinner out the the suburb only to find its the same waiter. Only he got to drive out at 3pm, before that rush hour traffic you spent an hour stationary in.

Meanwhile, back in the burbs, I can go to the gym at 2pm and be the only man under 60 in a gym full of desperate housewives.
 
2012-10-07 05:27:08 AM  
Hold onto any job with a death grip. I haven't worked in 16 months despite sending out hundreds and hundreds of resumes. Nobody is hiring, not in the DC area at least. Eat at your desk. I'll do anything if I could land employment.
 
2012-10-07 05:40:29 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder:
I had a Gannett job where we just wore catheters at our desks.


That's what you get for working for the Dark Side.

/might be obscure
 
2012-10-07 05:59:55 AM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


Cool!Mitt Romney is now posting on Fark! Hiya Mittens!
 
2012-10-07 06:46:38 AM  

Nogale: Vacations are arranged ahead of time and there's NO reason why people can't get together and decide who will cover their colleague's responsibilities while they're away.

What's more problematic, actually, are sick days - I'm by no means saying that people shouldn't take them if necessary, and obviously you can't know ahead of time when you'll be ill - but especially in task-oriented workplaces, a worker suddenly deciding not to show up can certainly throw a wrench in things. More so when it's shift work and last-minute coverage requires juggling several people's schedules.


Here's a good observation: Many of our less-fortunate citizens work in minimum wage, fast-food work. It is a health department violation to employ people who are contagiously sick. These same jobs have no sick time and often, if you call in sick it is a demerit or a firing offense (it was in college at a certain fast food chain I worked for). So, you have the unfortunate fact that sick people come to work and working with your food (happens in nicer restaurants, too, and not just fast food joints).

Sleep tight!
 
2012-10-07 06:55:31 AM  
stfu gbtw
 
2012-10-07 07:18:26 AM  
I've got a two-week vacation scheduled to start in a week, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/ and then I take another week-long vacation in the spring/early summer.
 
2012-10-07 08:21:01 AM  
My insane boss HATES it when he sees people taking lunch outside the office. One time, he actually blew up in the company meeting about how he "wants to see people at desks, not empty desks!!!!" (despite the fact we are due a one hour lunch in his own employee handbook) It's all about appearances to his business-owner mind.

He lost the respect of most of the employees during that meeting.

I take my full hour every single day without fail.
 
2012-10-07 08:41:39 AM  
I work 7 days on/7 off, so when I take a week off, I'm off for 3 weeks. Get 120 hrs vacation plus 40 personal. I end up taking 2 three week vacations every year, not to mention the week off I have every other week. The nice thing too, is I can pretty much take all the unpaid TO I want, so long as I give a decent heads up and they find someone willing to cover my shift.

/work for one of countries largest pharmacies
//at work now
 
2012-10-07 10:41:17 AM  
Hmm wow. I work in shiatty retail buuuut I have over 2 weeks worth of vacation saved up. And I could take off for weeks and use the entirety of that paid vacation time all in one shot. In the meantime I just chip off little bits at a time, write down a few hours of "vacation" for one of the days off I already had so that I can bump myself to 40 hours a week if I happen to fall short. Of course the one downfall is I hardly make anything. But of course I should be grateful for even a paltry sum, it's not like I need to save up money to go to school to better myself or anything.
 
2012-10-07 10:47:12 AM  

seadoo2006: These same jobs have no sick time and often, if you call in sick it is a demerit or a firing offense (it was in college at a certain fast food chain I worked for).


Don't forget that even if an employee has a human being for a manager and is given the opportunity to call out sick, there's a good chance they still won't do it. Calling out sick means losing out on hours. Losing out on hours means money literally out of your pocket, if you're especially sick it might be half a paycheck or even the whole damn thing. Depending on the wage slavery, it might mean losing out on your benefits because you worked n-10 hours instead of the n hours required to maintain your health insurance (you know, the thing you need to help your sick ass!) So these people, instead of going home and resting, drudge into work and cough and sneeze and get vomit or diarrhea-covered hands all over product and food which is thereby served to the eager unsuspecting customer, and makes other employees sick which further complicates THEIR lives and throws more wrenches into the scheduling. And of course the original sick employee probably gets even sicker, and I've seen friends do this and get so sick that they end up having to go to the ER (and end up with massive medical debt) because they overstressed their bodies instead of resting. But of course the typical non-answer to this problem is "If ya don't like it then don't work there!" Durrrr.
 
2012-10-07 10:47:21 AM  

bingethinker: If I'm so valuable that you can't live a week without me, then you should pay me way more.

/I love how the most "important" people spend six weeks in Florida every year and things go on without a hitch.


Where I work, I'm pretty sure if middle management disappeared for a year, life would go on. OTOH, if certain key Engineers or Equipment Technicians go away for a week, things start turning to shiat.

Why is there so much useless fat at big corporations? I thought the "free market" was supposed to cull that sort of thing...
 
2012-10-07 10:59:25 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: I thought the "free market" was supposed to cull that sort of thing...


No, it is only used to justify when business is allowed to act in un-American or worker-hostile ways.
 
2012-10-07 11:14:09 AM  

Le Bomb Suprize: xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.

I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.


And don't even get me started on this whole idea of "lunch breaks"! I mean, I understand that many states "require" them after a certain number of hours worked, but is it really that hard to take care of your nutritional needs on your own time? Try waking up a few minutes earlier, since we'll still need you to start at 8am sharp. In fact, it would be best if you came in a few minutes early so you don't have to waste precious minutes on the clock doing things like "logging in" and so forth.

Nutrition is a matter of personal responsibility, and you can't simply expect everyone from your boss to the CEO to cater to YOUR needs... I mean, do you even want to move up in this company?
 
2012-10-07 11:30:52 AM  

xl5150: If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


You would attract a real quality work force with an attitude like that
 
2012-10-07 11:43:13 AM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


nope. the engineers I work with are critical to our company. some are from other countries and need two weeks to visit family. they arrange for their projects to have plans during their vacation and all goes well. an important employee isn't disposable even if he's gone for two weeks. now excuse me while I have this hook removed from my mouth.
 
2012-10-07 11:46:55 AM  

AllUpInYa: My company has a chef on staff to provide breakfast and lunch ... it's pretty nice.

Also down the street from a very good bbq rest..


we have a really great cafeteria AND a coffee shop. I never want to work somewhere else.
 
2012-10-07 01:13:18 PM  
Here's a little story about being afraid to take time off from work. I've told it on Fark before, and got some. . .interesting. . .replies.

It was about 5 years ago. I was desperate for a job, and despite my degree the only job I could get was working in a warehouse. It was barely above minimum wage, 10 hour shifts, 6 days a week. 60 hour work-weeks. After two months of those 60 hour weeks, struggling to make high performance quotas (where if you have a bad day at work and underperform, you might get fired), I was tired, sore and sick. I was in no shape to work even at a desk job, much less a warehouse.

I had bruises, sprains, strains, and a lingering cough from the unheated warehouse. 10 hour workdays, combined with an hour-long commute each way meant I only barely had enough time to sleep, eat my food, bathe, then go back to work. The strain on my relationship with my fiancee was terrible on top of it all. My one day a week off was spent trying to rest and recover, and I was so exhausted I didn't have the energy to even do much with her. Not to mention that the job paid so little that we could barely pay the rent and afford food.

Every single non-management worker there was officially a temp. Thus us warehouse workers got no healthcare plan, no vacation time, no sick time, and were generally scared of calling in for any reason, and there was turnover rate that could only be called alarming. Well, the warehouse had a demerit-based attendance policy. Get too many and you're fired. I'd never called in, never been late to work, never left early, I'd always had 0 demerits.

I realized I could call in for a day or two, sandwich those two days between my scheduled day off, and try to take a few days to rest and recover, and maybe heal up some. A few hours before my shift was due to start, I called the call-in hotline and left my name, employee number and told them I was sick and couldn't be at work today.

I got a callback promptly, about 10 minutes later. Firing me. They said that I wouldn't be needed anymore, since other things in my life obviously meant more to me than work. I told them I had 0 attendance demerits and was sick enough that if I came in to work that day, I would not be able to make my quota between limping from sprains and bruises, and having to be in the bathroom so often hacking up phlegm due to my respiratory infection. They said that I was At-Will employee, so attendance points don't matter, I was fired, that's that.

The whole experience of those 2 months in that warehouse left me with a sharp appreciation of the plight of the working man and the working poor in America.

Last year, around this time, I told this story in a discussion thread involving OWS. Certain individuals jumped on to say that vacation time and sick leave are socialism and unfair to employers because why should people get paid for not working, and I was right to be fired because anybody who ever calls in to work before 90 days on the job should be fired immediately (never mind the 60+ hour workweeks for months on end and their physical toll). Basically I got misanthropic sociopaths like xl5150 saying that I was the bad guy for not working myself to death for the good of the company and being an obedient wage-slave.

That's where I went from sympathizing with the working man, to hating corporate management with zeal and passion.
 
2012-10-07 01:34:28 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.


Employers are looking for any excuse to fire people to lower their costs or to raise their stock price or both.
"AT WILL" employment is the base cause of all this stress... they can let you go for any reason they want, any time they want, and don't have to tell you why. It's in the contract you signed when you went to work there.

Which is why unions still have a purpose, and what bugs the hell out of me when morans dog these unions for preventing the people who belong to them fired because their boss didn't have sugar for their coffee that morning. Used to be a time when even in non-union places there were procedures for dismissal, hearings or meetings where the accused employee was allowed to present their side of the story for whatever incident occurred that resulted in their impending dismissal, and before any judgement was made.

That sh*t is over. You get called into the office, handed your ass, and marched out by security. You can come back to the lobby tomorrow and pick up the sh*t from your desk, and your last check will be in the mail.

This is why people don't take real vacations anymore.
 
2012-10-07 01:57:29 PM  

seadoo2006: Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work and WHY do you still work under those conditions???


They work everywhere. And they work under those conditions because they like to eat and live indoors.
Those of us who are fortunate enough to be in positions as secure as yours seems to be have forgotten that.
 
2012-10-07 02:03:56 PM  

rewind2846: Used to be a time when even in non-union places there were procedures for dismissal, hearings or meetings where the accused employee was allowed to present their side of the story for whatever incident occurred that resulted in their impending dismissal, and before any judgement was made.

That sh*t is over. You get called into the office, handed your ass, and marched out by security


THIS.

I can't tell you how much I tripped out when I (a non-union worker) couldn't help but notice the "union bulletin board" at a place I was recently working at.

Specifically, the poster advising a worker of his Weingarten rights.

/yeah, I've run into "At-Will Dictators" a few times
//even WAS the 'security guard' a few times
 
2012-10-07 02:12:46 PM  

rewind2846: They work everywhere. And they work under those conditions because they like to eat and live indoors.
Those of us who are fortunate enough to be in positions as secure as yours seems to be have forgotten that.


It sounds like half the problem (if not all of it) is the lack of established benefits up front. Decent jobs have a fixed amount of vacation hours/days, known to everyone ahead of time, that you can use whenever you want so long as you clear the timing with your manager ahead of time. The number of days you are given could be tiny or large, depending on how cushy a gig it is, but the point is that it's not a surprise. Your manager could reject your leave requests, but he/she should be required to suggest alternate days that work.

Now, I realize that for situations like Silverstaff's, the benefits WERE established up front--there were none. This is retarded on the part of the company because turnover ALWAYS involves some cost and risk. For a warehouse job, these could be very small because the skill set isn't exactly scarce, but they still exist. For this reason, all companies should be willing to offer at least some slack, for their own sake. If they don't, they're being short-sighted and probably need some regulations to save them from themselves.
 
2012-10-07 02:19:45 PM  

Yankees Team Gynecologist: If they don't, they're being short-sighted and probably need some regulations to save them from themselves.


And before some Randian dick takes issue with this sentence because it's supposedly at odds with the capitalist notion of letting poorly run business fail, that's pretty much true of most regulations. The key factor is whether others can get hurt in the process. A drug manufacturer that makes a dangerous pill will probably go out of business without the FDA once there are headlines about a bunch of people dying, but we don't want that to happen in the first place. Needless and inefficient turnover, while not as bad as people dropping dead, is still harmful to workers and the economy.
 
2012-10-07 03:04:30 PM  
If you are a manager and cannot have a worker leave for a few weeks that means you have terrible processes in place. A properly managed workplace will have contingencies plans in place to shift work around.
 
2012-10-07 03:27:41 PM  
Was it like this before integration?
 
2012-10-07 04:34:46 PM  

AlgertMan: The only problem I ever see is places without lunch menus. Your average person doesn't want to spend $20 bucks on lunch.


I've never understood lunch menu's. The same dish costs $2 more at dinnertime than it does at lunch?

If you're selling me the same thing, the price shouldn't change. If you're selling a larger portion vs a smaller portion, then the customer should be able to order the large or small regardless of whether it's lunchtime or dinnertime.
 
2012-10-07 05:47:29 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Le Bomb Suprize: I'm with ya on this one. And lets not forget bathroom breaks too. If you can't count on your employee to use the bathroom before they leave the house I doubt they have the discipline to to their job properly. In fact, I'm all for reducing or eliminating bathrooms in the workplace in favor of adding in another cubicle or two and increasing production.

I had a Gannett job where we just wore catheters at our desks.


This is what us Pro's use.

i45.tinypic.com

Women are kind of SOL, though. Not that you want to hide a bag of piss under a skirt or skinny jeans.
 
2012-10-07 07:26:42 PM  

Silverstaff: Here's a little story about being afraid to take time off from work. I've told it on Fark before, and got some. . .interesting. . .replies.

It was about 5 years ago. I was desperate for a job, and despite my degree the only job I could get was working in a warehouse. It was barely above minimum wage, 10 hour shifts, 6 days a week. 60 hour work-weeks. After two months of those 60 hour weeks, struggling to make high performance quotas (where if you have a bad day at work and underperform, you might get fired), I was tired, sore and sick. I was in no shape to work even at a desk job, much less a warehouse.

I had bruises, sprains, strains, and a lingering cough from the unheated warehouse. 10 hour workdays, combined with an hour-long commute each way meant I only barely had enough time to sleep, eat my food, bathe, then go back to work. The strain on my relationship with my fiancee was terrible on top of it all. My one day a week off was spent trying to rest and recover, and I was so exhausted I didn't have the energy to even do much with her. Not to mention that the job paid so little that we could barely pay the rent and afford food.

Every single non-management worker there was officially a temp. Thus us warehouse workers got no healthcare plan, no vacation time, no sick time, and were generally scared of calling in for any reason, and there was turnover rate that could only be called alarming. Well, the warehouse had a demerit-based attendance policy. Get too many and you're fired. I'd never called in, never been late to work, never left early, I'd always had 0 demerits.

I realized I could call in for a day or two, sandwich those two days between my scheduled day off, and try to take a few days to rest and recover, and maybe heal up some. A few hours before my shift was due to start, I called the call-in hotline and left my name, employee number and told them I was sick and couldn't be at work today.

I got a callback promptly, about 10 minutes later. Firing me. They said that I wouldn't be needed anymore, since other things in my life obviously meant more to me than work. I told them I had 0 attendance demerits and was sick enough that if I came in to work that day, I would not be able to make my quota between limping from sprains and bruises, and having to be in the bathroom so often hacking up phlegm due to my respiratory infection. They said that I was At-Will employee, so attendance points don't matter, I was fired, that's that.

The whole experience of those 2 months in that warehouse left me with a sharp appreciation of the plight of the working man and the working poor in America.


I feel your pain. I was in a similar position, fresh out of college with an engineering degree but no entry level engineering jobs in the area, so I ended up working a temp service in an electronics factory floor / warehouse. It was advertised as a 3rd shift $10 / Hr, temp-to-hire job but after I was hired I found out that they have no intentions of hiring temps and skirt the issue by laying you off after you put a full year in (after some lawsuit). But to make it worse, if you were late, left early, or called off they docked your pay 50 cents/hr for the entire week. Their justification is that it was really a $9.50/hr job with a 50 cent "incentive", despite the original ad stating $10/hr. Of course as a temp there was no health care, sick days, vacation, holidays, or job security. 6 days / week was mandatory.

It was when the day manager brought us in the break room and told us in no plain words "what's what" when I knew I had to leave. It included a few shiatty nuggets like "your 2 10 minute breaks and 30 minute lunch are a luxury not a right"; "You are to clean up your station only after the break and lunch bells sound and we expect you back at your station at least 5 minutes before the end-of-lunch bell sounds"; and the best was "For whatever reason if you take off, leave early or are late once in a thirty day period you get a warning, twice (for whatever reason) you have to go to 'counseling', three times, you are automatically fired." To make it worse, being night-shift, if it snowed you were screwed because there were no snow trucks out at night to plow and salt the roads. That year we had a terrible blizzard and two bad snow storms. I couldn't call off so I had to trek to work in the damn snow in a car without heat. During that winter, I slid down an icy hill into a snowbank, nearly got stranded on an iced-over road, and nearly got stranded when my car slid into a ditch. The third one I was thankfully rescued by some families that were playing in the snow with their kids and a cop who was passing by. I am a very cautious driver so it wasn't reckless driving, it is the damn hilly back roads.

I stayed on for my year but needless to say I will never do another night shift position if I can help it. I sure as hell won't drive on snow covered roads unless it is an emergency. I am definitely not going to risk my life for $9.50 / hr plus a 50 cent "incentive". It was a bad job but at least it was a learning experience. I learned that I value myself enough to not put up with that shiat again.
 
2012-10-07 07:36:42 PM  

Silverstaff: Here's a little story about being afraid to take time off from work. I've told it on Fark before, and got some. . .interesting. . .replies.

It was about 5 years ago. I was desperate for a job, and despite my degree the only job I could get was working in a warehouse. It was barely above minimum wage, 10 hour shifts, 6 days a week. 60 hour work-weeks. After two months of those 60 hour weeks, struggling to make high performance quotas (where if you have a bad day at work and underperform, you might get fired), I was tired, sore and sick. I was in no shape to work even at a desk job, much less a warehouse.

I had bruises, sprains, strains, and a lingering cough from the unheated warehouse. 10 hour workdays, combined with an hour-long commute each way meant I only barely had enough time to sleep, eat my food, bathe, then go back to work. The strain on my relationship with my fiancee was terrible on top of it all. My one day a week off was spent trying to rest and recover, and I was so exhausted I didn't have the energy to even do much with her. Not to mention that the job paid so little that we could barely pay the rent and afford food.

Every single non-management worker there was officially a temp. Thus us warehouse workers got no healthcare plan, no vacation time, no sick time, and were generally scared of calling in for any reason, and there was turnover rate that could only be called alarming. Well, the warehouse had a demerit-based attendance policy. Get too many and you're fired. I'd never called in, never been late to work, never left early, I'd always had 0 demerits.

I realized I could call in for a day or two, sandwich those two days between my scheduled day off, and try to take a few days to rest and recover, and maybe heal up some. A few hours before my shift was due to start, I called the call-in hotline and left my name, employee number and told them I was sick and couldn't be at work today.

I got a callback promptly, about 10 minutes lat ...


Was this by any chance one of the Amazon distribution centers?
 
2012-10-07 08:13:21 PM  

ladyfortuna: Was this by any chance one of the Amazon distribution centers?


Uh, actually, yes, yes it was.

How did you know?
 
2012-10-07 09:30:57 PM  
Ya know... this whole thread make me appreciate being in the military. Yes, you have to do annoying things from time to time. Yes, there are deployments, exercises, etc. But the way people get treated (at least in the Air Force) is simply better than the garbage I'm reading in this thread.

If people are sick, unless there is something crucial to do that day, they get sent home or to sick-call for medical care. If my supervisees are sick, I send them home, because I don't need them making everyone else sick, and I need them to be on their game when they're at work. We support each other - being so "crucial" that you can't miss miss a pre-planned block of leave means you haven't coordinated with your colleagues. You should always have communication so that the mission continues when individuals are away for whatever reason.

We had a person in the hospital recently, followed by several weeks on convalescent leave (sick leave, basically). No threats, no scoffing. Several of us dropped by to check on her at home, mowed her lawn. Various folks checked on her at the hospital. The biggest drama was several higher ups being upset that they weren't made aware soon enough so that they could call and check on her.

I'm not going to lie and say that it's a wonderful workplace every hour, or that it's the perfect fit for everyone. There are things about it that genuinely suck. We don't necessarily like each other, as in any work environment. People sometimes get back-stabby or step on each others toes. But ya know what, we do work to ensure that people are taken care of, and this thread make the civilian world sound like absolute hell.

I've seen some pretty awesome support of others. Passing the hat to get flowers and cards when someone has a new family member, or loses a dear relative. Various service organizations (Top-3) raising money to provide lower ranking members with families and limited means full thanks giving dinners. An attitude that nobody should spend holidays such as Thanksgiving and Christmas alone, opening their homes to singles who live far from family and can't make it home.

I was going through a divorce a few years back. My supervisor knew something wasn't right with me, pulled me aside for a chat. He was annoyed that I hadn't told him what was going on, told me to let him know if I needed to adjust my hours to deal with appointments, trips to the county courthouse during business hours, etc.

Again, USAF, so others armed forces experience may vary.
 
2012-10-07 09:42:51 PM  

Mr. Chainsaw: Gov't employee, so I earn 12 hours of annual leave and 8 hours of sick leave every month, but I'm well into the triple digits on both. Why? Because taking a vacation means a nightmare of backlog waiting for you when you get back. Actually, the longer the vacation the better, because if you're gone for a week you're going to plan ahead and work with your boss to farm out the work for others to cover. Whereas if it's only a couple of days, you're kind of on your own. Even though we're perfectly within our rights to take time off, we're not encouraged to do so, and the workload scares people off from doing it.
/I usually only take a day or two here and there, but I take close to two weeks for Christmas


Also a government worker. I get four hours of annual and sick every two weeks. I can bank 240 hours, after which it becomes use-it-or-lose-it by December 31st. We're not discouraged from it, but my division does huge, long-lasting legal cases, so any given week is likely low in importance. Others are less fortunate.

I don't take time off much. (Just took my first sick day in 2 and a half years last week, and I haven't gone on vacation in about a year.) Well into triple digits banked after just over two years, and I financed the move to FL to take this job with the hours I saved with the Feds in DC over a three-year period.

My colleague, who's European (naturalized US citizen), takes a couple weeks to go home each year. Nobody bats an eye, because we can cover anything she might miss, and our managers aren't assholes. When people want to take their kids out of state to see grandparents, nobody cares.

The result is people are happy, rarely miss work, and things get done.
 
2012-10-07 09:51:11 PM  

spentmiles: If you are doing what you love, then you don't need time off. I work with the mentally handicap at a state run facility here in Nevada. Today I gave a forty three year old man enough electric shock therapy to eject three fillings from his mouth. I don't need a vacation.


Sweet Jesus, that's beautiful.
 
2012-10-07 09:54:28 PM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


Good luck keeping happy employees. Some time is needed to work for assholes.
 
2012-10-07 09:55:47 PM  
RickyWilliams'sBong:

Also a government worker........
.
.
The result is people are happy, rarely miss work, and things get done. a giant, money-sucking inefficient bureaucracy that is run like a joke and would never survive in the private sector since its revenue is received from taxes. 

FTFY
 
2012-10-07 09:58:13 PM  
I get "180 vacation" days a year (weekends and summer included). I've accrued 135 sick days (13 years). Vacation is really needed to cool down.
 
2012-10-07 10:09:37 PM  

xl5150: RickyWilliams'sBong:

Also a government worker........
.
.
The result is people are happy, rarely miss work, and things get done. a giant, money-sucking inefficient bureaucracy that is run like a joke and would never survive in the private sector since its revenue is received from taxes. 

FTFY


Yeah, about that: Our revenue is received from winning cases for the state. We bring in millions more than we spend, and those millions go back to the taxpayers.

Nice try, slick.
 
2012-10-07 10:12:12 PM  

xl5150: RickyWilliams'sBong:

Also a government worker........
.
.
The result is people are happy, rarely miss work, and things get done. a giant, money-sucking inefficient bureaucracy that is run like a joke and would never survive in the private sector since its revenue is received from taxes. 

FTFY


Ah, wait, you're a University of Spoiled Children alumnus, I see. So you've never actually had a job without your parents setting it up for you.
 
2012-10-08 12:27:44 AM  

xl5150: unyon: FTFA: Nobody expects two week vacations anymore

Really? Is this now considered a luxury in the US? If so, that's pretty sad.

If someone was working for me and took two weeks off all at once, I would be sure to get rid of them at the next round of layoffs. If they're going to disappear for two weeks and leave the rest of us hanging, then that shows they're not devoted to the team and they can't be counted on. There are a lot of people out there looking for jobs and if someone isn't serious about their job it isn't hard to find someone who would take it seriously. If they take off for two weeks and things go smoothly while they're gone, then it's an indication that they're not that essential and there is no reason for them to be on the payroll since we can function just fine without them.


You, as a decision maker or troll, have taken this into account but I will flesh it out for the elfs. If you have a white guy and a black guy both taking two weeks off and you are silly enough to lay off the white guy shortly after, are you ready to explain your actions to the Rev's (RB)? Those gentlemen will demand to know why you didn't lay off the Brother. Did you not think he was worthy of being dropped and capable of finding gainful employment elsewhere? The outrage (tm) of your callousness is explained by Romney.
 
2012-10-08 12:56:34 AM  
FOXCONN!
 
2012-10-08 03:23:46 AM  

seadoo2006: Jesus, there are still people afraid of losing their jobs or not getting a promotion because they go out to eat lunch? Cripes, where do you poor souls work and WHY do you still work under those conditions???


Last job I worked there was absolutely NO ONE who could go out to eat lunch except the highest ranking person who didn't have to report to anyone in the office. Some days I would take 1/2 hour to eat lunch that I brought, but usually that was a working lunch. Technically I was permitted to come and go as I wished, but no way could I leave for lunch, because there was too much to do and too many people looking for me. Most people ate a snack for 5 minutes or less and went back to work so they could get it all done and leave in time to get home for dinner. They still worked 10 hours for every 8 that they got paid. Productivity requirements are a biatch, but they aren't easy to sidestep when that's how your pay is calculated. I almost always brought both lunch and dinner with me and usually worked 10-12 hours, sometimes more, while being paid for 7-8 hours.

The job was in, let's call it, health care. The reason that people continue to work under those conditions is either (A) They can't find a better paying job, (B) They can't find another decent job close to home, or (C) They believe that they have to put in that amount of effort to do a conscientious job, and in medicine/healthcare, it frequently is literally a matter of life and death (or is it?). For most of my co-workers, it was a combination of those factors, but heavily weighted toward C because they believed what they were doing was important and necessary for the health and well-being of others.

In summary, the options are not myriad for most people - they have a limited area of expertise and limited opportunities based on their choice of career. Some people also attempt to do a conscientious job despite the fact that employers have different priorities than they do.
 
2012-10-08 03:39:29 PM  

some_beer_drinker: spentmiles: If you are doing what you love, then you don't need time off. I work with the mentally handicap at a state run facility here in Nevada. Today I gave a forty three year old man enough electric shock therapy to eject three fillings from his mouth. I don't need a vacation.

oh my god that horrible! what kind of sadistic creep are you? i should call the internet police on you right now, so some of those fat guys in pseudo-military uniforms come over there are shoot paintballs at each other until someone gets hospitalized.


I believe he's referencing this infamous thread

http://www.fark.com/comments/3276148/Prank-caller-tricks-mental-healt h -facility-into-activating-patients-remote-controlled-shock-devices-Mil gram-wanted-for-questioning

That was won by Dr. Funkenstein in 12 posts (winning post printed here, which cost me a monitor, cup of coffee, keyboard, clean underwear, workplace dignity, etc.)

DF:

What kind of dumbasses do they have working there? Doesn't sound like much of a prank.

[ring, ring, ring]
School Guy> Hello. This is Tard Shockin' School. How can I help you?

Prankster> Hello. Would you please shock some tards?

School Guy> I need proper authorization for that.

Prankster> OK, I'm the boss. Now get to shocking.

School Guy> Right away, sir.

Tard> I like pie...rawr...[ZAP]
 
2012-10-09 02:47:44 AM  

Silverstaff: ladyfortuna: Was this by any chance one of the Amazon distribution centers?

Uh, actually, yes, yes it was.

How did you know?


Last summer I believe it was, my cousin who lives in Seattle linked a story about the one in PA and how OSHA had been called in about the conditions, which were exacerbated by that long heat wave in July. People dropping left and right and getting fired because they couldn't work fast enough.

I love Amazon's service but that story put a bad taste in my mouth. They've gone semi-corporate evil, that's for sure.

/friend's husband worked there
//til he got let go for falling behind on his work
///because he was doing everyone else's job too
 
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