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2012-10-06 03:11:55 PM  
I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.
 
2012-10-06 03:18:22 PM  
I understood it fine. Moneygrab.
 
2012-10-06 03:24:18 PM  
I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own
 
2012-10-06 03:34:54 PM  
Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?
 
2012-10-06 03:48:53 PM  
The plot was easy enough to understand, it was the stupidity level of the characters and choices they make that defies explanation.

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


Depends. Visually it has some decent space porn. Character/story-wise it's nearly a disaster, with the only bright spots being Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace.
 
2012-10-06 03:49:30 PM  

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


I thought it was awesome. I don't typically agree with critics. My favorite films are Shawshank Redemption, Royal Tenenbaums, Mulholland Drive, Strange Days, Sunshine, The 39 Steps, Inception...pretty varied.

That being said, I didn't go into it with any specific expectations and I thought it was great. Excellent direction, complex enough plot to keep my attention and the acting was pretty good with a few negative points.

Anyway, I don't own stock in it or anything, but I suggest it.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:53 PM  

One Bad Apple: I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.


That's something I want to know as well. I have some guesses, but I'd love to know which it actually was.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:22 PM  

One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own


He said, "I wanted to get naked in this movie, but Ridley said no."
 
2012-10-06 05:19:34 PM  

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


Yes, easily. It's on my top 10 of the year so far. It is best viewed on a huge screen though.
 
2012-10-06 05:39:19 PM  
Oh goodie, I get to use the Michael Fassbender Trollface pic again.

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-06 06:08:18 PM  
I liked it. It didn't blow my mind or anything but it was a pretty original story, and a lot of great scenes and set pieces, acting was fine. It does fall apart when you think about it too much, and my favorite scene in the movie was also the most needing a willing suspension of disbelief (the medical pod). But hey, it was fun.
 
2012-10-06 07:35:58 PM  
Knocking Tyrell's replicant technology that brought some of the most heroic characters of 2019 seems odd in light of Ash, an A-2 built 100 years later who was still a bit twitchy and worked covertly for Company aims and not for the goals of his crewmates.

But perhaps that's hubris in action.

/I may be a bit prejudiced in this debate.
 
2012-10-06 07:47:19 PM  
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2012-10-06 07:48:46 PM  
I found it so dumb that I walked out about an hour into it. There. I said it.
 
2012-10-06 07:49:17 PM  
I'm too lazy to look up the timeline, but wouldn't Tyrell have been about a century or more ahead of Weyland? Not to mention, I'm not too keen on that crossover.

As for the Prometheus gab, I concur with the view that no one's actions really matched the reality of what was going on. Long past the time that everyone knew that Things Were F*cked Up they were still lallygagging around with bullsh*t. Overall the film was fine. Not as good as the hype allowed, but a solid sci-fi film with nice tie-ins to an absolute classic.
 
2012-10-06 07:50:47 PM  
it sorta reminded me of the rocky horror picture show
 
2012-10-06 07:51:13 PM  
Here's my take...all films have plot holes. Good films make you not notice or not care about the plot holes.

Prometheus is not one of those films.

Not for me at least.
 
2012-10-06 07:52:48 PM  

Fark It:

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?

Depends. Visually it has some decent space porn. Character/story-wise it's nearly a disaster, with the only bright spots being Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace.


FTFY

How in the world do scientists/doctors/engineers go utterly stupid once they hit space? I mean, have they NEVER played FPS video games? ANYTHING that moves TOWARDS you, or LOOKS odd or aggressive, you KILL! Is it that hard?

Geez.

In case you don't get it, thats whats wrong with the characters...
 
2012-10-06 07:55:44 PM  

swahnhennessy: I'm too lazy to look up the timeline


Well, you guys were no help. Anyway, it works. 2019/2089.
 
2012-10-06 07:56:51 PM  
Keep the xenos in Aliens universe, and keep Tyrell and his machinations in the Blade Runner universe. Just stop it there Ridley Scott.

Otherwise ... is Soldier now part of the Aliens, Predators, and Blade Runner universe, where Western corporate thought goes all the way back to the days of interim Roman Emperor Maximus Decimus Meridius? Is it a world where men wince at the slap of honorable words "Never lie, even if it leads to your death; that is your oath?" And is it a world where Satan rescues Ferris Bueller's girlfriend and tries to disguise her as a goth from unemployed elf boy Tom Cruise and his coeterie of fairies and dwarves?
 
2012-10-06 07:58:36 PM  
I thought the movie was fine. It was everything the trailer made it out to be - a horror film set in space.
 
2012-10-06 08:04:22 PM  

Fark It: The plot was easy enough to understand, it was the stupidity level of the characters and choices they make that defies explanation.


Yep. The biologist is the one that ignores an alien creature acting aggressively and the guy with the map is the one that gets lost.

The movie had a great premise and looked great, but some of the characters deserved to be smacked repeatedly.
 
2012-10-06 08:12:54 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Keep the xenos in Aliens universe, and keep Tyrell and his machinations in the Blade Runner universe. Just stop it there Ridley Scott.

Otherwise ... is Soldier now part of the Aliens, Predators, and Blade Runner universe, where Western corporate thought goes all the way back to the days of interim Roman Emperor Maximus Decimus Meridius? Is it a world where men wince at the slap of honorable words "Never lie, even if it leads to your death; that is your oath?" And is it a world where Satan rescues Ferris Bueller's girlfriend and tries to disguise her as a goth from unemployed elf boy Tom Cruise and his coeterie of fairies and dwarves?


It is all a fantasy of Tommy Westphall.
 
2012-10-06 08:13:34 PM  
Secondary characters were a bit weak, but what do you really expect after ALIEN? That was a B movie made with a flim crew with a AAA imagination.

Rest of the movie was fine, and Rapace and Fassbender did an excellent jobs with the leads. Plot / story was strong, and didn't give too much away.

Paradise is set up for some big payoffs and complement it, chief I hope to be a 100% H.R. Giger inspired world.
 
2012-10-06 08:17:49 PM  

swahnhennessy: Not as good as the hype allowed, but a solid sci-fi film with nice tie-ins


Avengers
Spiderman
TDKR

Pretty much everything. Not that the above were bad, nor entertaining. Just the hype is just that, marketing hype.

I tend to watch the teaser and first trailer then call it quits now. Studios and marketing tend to give you 1/2 a movie before it's even released now through 10 trailer, webisodes, special site exclusives, TV exclusives, ect. I read someone took all the footage Sony released of Spiderman on the web and put together 45min of the movie! And it's usually all the spectral, leaving only the boring or slower character stuff that in the end is buoyed up by the payoff from the spectacle.
 
2012-10-06 08:19:20 PM  

TyrantII: Pretty much everything. Not that the above were bad, nor entertaining. Just the hype is just that, marketing hype.


I wasn't referring to the marketing at all.
 
2012-10-06 08:26:24 PM  
You folks enjoy, I have zero interest in rewatching such a dumbfark cinematic disappointment. I'll give the sequel a try, maybe they'll hire a writer that understands how to make a plot airtight.
 
2012-10-06 08:29:13 PM  
I liked the part when Randall Flagg made an appearance. In both films.
 
2012-10-06 08:54:10 PM  

Jocundry: Here's my take...all films have plot holes. Good films make you not notice or not care about the plot holes.

Prometheus is not one of those films.

Not for me at least.


What were the plot holes that Chinatown, Die Hard and Pulp Fiction made me not care about?
 
2012-10-06 08:58:22 PM  

TyrantII: Pretty much everything. Not that the above were bad, nor entertaining. Just the hype is just that, marketing hype.


This could be me being out of the loop... I don't watch tv as much as I used to and don't see commercials... But in my opinion, TDKR was overhyped, Avengers was spot on, and Spider-man really didn't get that my hype. Like, I really only saw a couple previews for it, but it was much better than I expected based on that.
 
2012-10-06 09:08:14 PM  

One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own


Yeah, that kinda confused me too. Overall the movie was skim-worthy.

Also, there's a swedish movie with Noomi Rapace where she plays a woman basically making a porno. Includes lesbian strapon sex and her bent over a table. Hot.
 
2012-10-06 09:19:50 PM  

fusillade762: Oh goodie, I get to use the Michael Fassbender Trollface pic again.


Holy shiat, is that real?

Fassbender looks like he's about to say, "I'm this farking awesome. Problem, biatches?"
 
2012-10-06 09:27:41 PM  

Clutch2013: fusillade762: Oh goodie, I get to use the Michael Fassbender Trollface pic again.

Holy shiat, is that real?

Fassbender looks like he's about to say, "I'm this farking awesome. Problem, biatches?"


I thought that was Ellen Degeneres.
 
2012-10-06 09:45:06 PM  

logistic: I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.


Well duh. The movie can be summed up with "Turn off your brain since it has awesome visuals and music, which is all a movie needs these days since most people don't want to have to think about anything while watching a movie." It's simple enough a cave man could understand it.
 
2012-10-06 09:46:23 PM  

TyrantII: Secondary characters were a bit weak, but what do you really expect after ALIEN? That was a B movie made with a flim crew with a AAA imagination.


The thing is that all the characters is Alien were, while not "deep", still well drawn and were consistent with how they should have acted. Ironically, except for the one character that had no real emotions, none of the characters in Prometheus behaved in any way realistically. As I said when it first came out, the plot was driving the characters, instead of the other way around.Damon Lindelof is just not a very good writer.
 
2012-10-06 09:46:55 PM  
 
2012-10-06 09:55:55 PM  
It was an okay movie. It was a terrible Aliens movie.
 
2012-10-06 09:58:19 PM  

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


If Prometheus was actually porn, it would star (insert Hollywood stars here. example. Scarlet Johansson, Christina Hendricks, Keira Knightly, Olivia Wylde, etc.). It would have the music composed by John Williams. And the story would be written by "Harry Pooter" who normally writes Crab and Goyle gay fanfiction.
 
2012-10-06 10:01:59 PM  
I too was a bit confused about the whole David sociopath angle. Seriously. If I were ever to go into space, I would destroy/eject any android that is with me. Sorry Data, it's the off switch for you.

www.wired.com
 
2012-10-06 10:03:35 PM  
Honest Trailer.

This about sums it up for me.
 
2012-10-06 10:08:29 PM  

PsyLord: I too was a bit confused about the whole David sociopath angle. Seriously. If I were ever to go into space, I would destroy/eject any android that is with me. Sorry Data, it's the off switch for you.


Yeah the ones in the Aien films are either psychos, corporate spies or benevolent but creepy (Bishop).
 
2012-10-06 10:14:49 PM  
Too bad the creators on the first ship didnt warn any of the other dozen ships. They could have prevented the exact same outbreak from happening on each one.
 
2012-10-06 10:20:28 PM  
It was dumb. The characters were dumb, the plot was dumb, but the special effects were ok. Oh, i'm going to kick some crewmen asses and escape being put into hibernation, but then I'm going to just walk into a room with more crewmen that ought to be after me, but every thing is fine.
 
2012-10-06 10:22:06 PM  
I think the problem here is the attempt at complexity.

The Original alien movie plot was about as simple as it gets. Space ship crew runs across an alien, alien eats cast one by one.
Part two upped the ante by throwing a military force at more aliens, and we see the cast get eaten one by one.
Part three and four farked up the basic principle of simplicity. Then in came the prequel to do everything that absolutely shouldn't have been done on the alien movie franchise. They tried to make a highlights reel based on all the story fodder the audience never read.

People were expecting a return to the first movies simplicity. Instead the creators tried to pawn off some convoluted and interpretive plot ripped from a French crying clown movie about Gods ultimate plan for mankind,
I don't think there's anything wrong with the audience. They just sat down to something that probably would have done better if it was never branded as an aliens movie.
 
2012-10-06 10:32:43 PM  
 
2012-10-06 10:35:08 PM  
When it was going to be a full on Alien prequel, it was a solid story. When Ridley decided to make it not a prequel and then at the last moment half arse stick his toe in, it went all to hell. The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.
 
2012-10-06 10:38:01 PM  
The overall philosophical question was legit, and they had some good pieces to explore that question. What if we met God, our creator/creators? What would we ask? What if He doesn't like us very much, and tries to rip our heads off? David the android lives w/ that every day. They had a great, amazing set up, superb set design, effects, and great use of the 3D cameras. Then they stuck in some of the dumbest characters in sci-fi history, ostensibly scientists/engineers, some incomprehensible set pieces, and ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. They were on the cusp of greatness, and they farked it up. Oh, and they gave away one of the most climatic and important scenes in the whole movie in the farking TV commercials, some of them for Coors farking Lite.

But the outline, the purpose of the film were solid. They just screwed up too much of the execution.
 
2012-10-06 10:48:09 PM  

Trocadero: The overall philosophical question was legit, and they had some good pieces to explore that question. What if we met God, our creator/creators? What would we ask?


"So... about Hell. What the fark, Man?"
 
2012-10-06 10:49:58 PM  

Trocadero: The overall philosophical question was legit, and they had some good pieces to explore that question. What if we met God, our creator/creators? What would we ask? What if He doesn't like us very much, and tries to rip our heads off? David the android lives w/ that every day. They had a great, amazing set up, superb set design, effects, and great use of the 3D cameras. Then they stuck in some of the dumbest characters in sci-fi history, ostensibly scientists/engineers, some incomprehensible set pieces, and ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. They were on the cusp of greatness, and they farked it up. Oh, and they gave away one of the most climatic and important scenes in the whole movie in the farking TV commercials, some of them for Coors farking Lite.

But the outline, the purpose of the film were solid. They just screwed up too much of the execution.


These are my thoughts word for word.
 
2012-10-06 10:58:42 PM  

Decillion: What were the plot holes that Chinatown, Die Hard and Pulp Fiction made me not care about?


The German guy being still alive AND being put into a body bag with his gun, so he could rise up at the end to get shot by the cop. Just sayin. It was a very solid movie otherwise.

As for Prometheus. Rarely have I ever so desperately wanted my time back after seeing a movie. It's like the direction and the writing was "let's put the characters in a situation and then make them do exactly the opposite of what any semi-reasonable, semi-rational person would do in that situation." I can't count the number of times I had to choke down shouting "are you farking kidding me?!?!" at the screen. It was a dumb movie, and it made me feel dumber having watched it.
 
2012-10-06 11:20:18 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Otherwise ... is Soldier now part of the Aliens, Predators, and Blade Runner universe


yes, actually.

"Soldier was written by David Peoples, who co-wrote the script for Blade Runner. By his own admission, he considers Soldier to be a "sidequel"/spiritual successor to Blade Runner.[2] It also obliquely references various elements of stories written by Philip K. Dick (who wrote the novel "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?", on which Blade Runner is based), or film adaptations thereof. A "Spinner" vehicle from Blade Runner can be seen in the wreckage on a junk planet that features in the film.[3]
There are also several dialogue references to events such as "Tanhauser Gate" from Blade Runner."
 
2012-10-06 11:30:49 PM  

aiiee: I understood it fine. Moneygrab.


DO IT. DO IT. BURN MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

/ im trapped in a spacesuit of emotion!!!
 
2012-10-06 11:47:40 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: TyrantII: Secondary characters were a bit weak, but what do you really expect after ALIEN? That was a B movie made with a flim crew with a AAA imagination.

The thing is that all the characters is Alien were, while not "deep", still well drawn and were consistent with how they should have acted. Ironically, except for the one character that had no real emotions, none of the characters in Prometheus behaved in any way realistically. As I said when it first came out, the plot was driving the characters, instead of the other way around.Damon Lindelof is just not a very good writer.


If the same lens the hipster nerd wantabees used on Prometheus is used on ALIEN, you'll get the same result.
 
2012-10-07 12:13:55 AM  

logistic: I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.


I could understand it perfectly fine. Didn't make it any less stupid, though. I checked out after the Space Zombie.

/Fassbender was the only thing worth watching in the entire movie
 
2012-10-07 12:16:45 AM  

mamoru: The German guy being still alive AND being put into a body bag with his gun, so he could rise up at the end to get shot by the cop. Just sayin. It was a very solid movie otherwise.


It didn't happen like that, he stormed out of the building.
 
2012-10-07 12:22:03 AM  

davidphogan: One Bad Apple: I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

That's something I want to know as well. I have some guesses, but I'd love to know which it actually was.


I don't think the actual conversation really matters. That was a (rare) good scene in the movie. Alien pilot was hired to ferry around a bunch of scientists who want to check up on their DNA seeding. He's got to have at least a good idea that they have hundreds of planet-sized labs throughout the universe consisting of various evolved creatures. One day, pilot wakes up and the equivalent of a lab rat is speaking to him in his language. If that happened on Earth, any lab flunky would take a shovel to it. So it's not really a shock that he rips David's head off.
 
2012-10-07 12:30:52 AM  

The6502Man: Character/story-wise it's nearly a disaster, with the only bright spots being Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace.

FTFY

How in the world do scientists/doctors/engineers go utterly stupid once they hit space? I mean, have they NEVER played FPS video games? ANYTHING that moves TOWARDS you, or LOOKS odd or aggressive, you KILL! Is it that hard?

Geez.

In case you don't get it, thats whats wrong with the characters...


The claustrophobic geologist and the retarded biologist were by far the worst parts of the movie. Oh, look--a millenia-old alien lifeform! You'd think a biologist would be interested in that. No--he's freaked out and wants to go home. But when he sees the space-penis obviously acting aggressively, he's all like, "Awwww, isn't that cute?"

And then there's this utter fark-up, which Penny Arcade so eloquently illustrated:

art.penny-arcade.com
 
2012-10-07 12:39:01 AM  
To bad she'll never live.....but then again, who does?
 
2012-10-07 12:39:29 AM  
Pro tip #4,764,222: It doesn't matter what planet you're on. If a critter rises up, flares it neck at you, and hisses menacingly, it is not so politely telling you to fark off. DO NOT TRY TO PET IT!!!
 
2012-10-07 12:41:54 AM  
Handsome Squidward
 
2012-10-07 01:09:25 AM  

Mugato: mamoru: The German guy being still alive AND being put into a body bag with his gun, so he could rise up at the end to get shot by the cop. Just sayin. It was a very solid movie otherwise.

It didn't happen like that, he stormed out of the building.


It's really hard to find a video of that scene that is clear. This is the best I could find. (^) It does not show him storming out of the building. It shows him rising up, shrugging off something that I assume to be a body bag (but could be a blanket, I guess, if the police thought he was a victim, rather than a terrorist) and raising the same weapon he had on the roof. It's in the first 5 seconds of the linked video.

And, it has never made sense to me. Last we saw him, he was hanging by chains, presumed dead, and nowhere near his gun. Suddenly, he rises up from something, still with his gun, to try to kill McClain. Why does he have his gun? Why wasn't he under arrest and cuffed? Or, if it was in fact a body bag, which dumbass paramedic couldn't determine that he was still alive? etc.

Now, I know full well not to take the movie too seriously, and I don't. I understand the purpose of this scene. But, it really didn't make any sense.

Had he actually stormed from the building as you suggested, it might have. But he didn't.
 
2012-10-07 01:19:00 AM  

Dimensio: Practical_Draconian: Keep the xenos in Aliens universe, and keep Tyrell and his machinations in the Blade Runner universe. Just stop it there Ridley Scott.

Otherwise ... is Soldier now part of the Aliens, Predators, and Blade Runner universe, where Western corporate thought goes all the way back to the days of interim Roman Emperor Maximus Decimus Meridius? Is it a world where men wince at the slap of honorable words "Never lie, even if it leads to your death; that is your oath?" And is it a world where Satan rescues Ferris Bueller's girlfriend and tries to disguise her as a goth from unemployed elf boy Tom Cruise and his coeterie of fairies and dwarves?

It is all a fantasy of Tommy Westphall.


Oh you magnificent bastard, well played! You own me a new keyboard BTW. I'm pretty sure that once all the A&W Cream Soda I spewed on mine starts to gum things up, this one will be going into the trash. From the looks of it though, no one else got the reference.
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2012-10-07 01:24:05 AM  
So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?
 
2012-10-07 01:55:20 AM  

Tainted1: Pro tip #4,764,222: It doesn't matter what planet you're on. If a critter rises up, flares it neck at you, and hisses menacingly, it is not so politely telling you to fark off. DO NOT TRY TO PET IT!!!


It's ingrained into peoples heads now because everyone claims it, but if you re-watch the movie, that is NOT how it happened.

Milburn was too close, and not cautious enough, but he never tried to touch the thing. He did wave his hand around in front of it, and was surprised to see it seem to react like a cobra, but he was a good 4 feet away at all times, and very hesitant at it's movements prior. .
 
2012-10-07 01:57:00 AM  

2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?


You can get bluray players dirt cheap on craigslist. Also, inflation.

You probably spend 10X more a year in coffee.
 
2012-10-07 01:58:39 AM  
Prometheus is one of the stupidest "smart" movies ever made. The character choices were cringe inducing. I started rooting for the aliens in the end.
 
2012-10-07 02:03:46 AM  

TyrantII: 2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?

You can get bluray players dirt cheap on craigslist. Also, inflation.

You probably spend 10X more a year in coffee.


I don't drink coffee, and I damn sure don't buy the floor model / used crap that people sell on craigslist.
 
2012-10-07 02:39:46 AM  

2words1finger: Dimensio: It is all a fantasy of Tommy Westphall.

Oh you magnificent bastard, well played! You own me a new keyboard BTW. I'm pretty sure that once all the A&W Cream Soda I spewed on mine starts to gum things up, this one will be going into the trash. From the looks of it though, no one else got the reference.
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Have to admit I didn't get the reference; had to look it up on wikipedia. I recall St. Elsewhere for old man mooning scene, not for a little kid showing it all to be a weird dream/alternate universe like the Men In Black marbles. Good one-liner once I understood though.
 
2012-10-07 02:43:19 AM  

Wise_Guy: Honest Trailer.

This about sums it up for me.


Nice find
 
2012-10-07 03:06:03 AM  

TyrantII: Tainted1: Pro tip #4,764,222: It doesn't matter what planet you're on. If a critter rises up, flares it neck at you, and hisses menacingly, it is not so politely telling you to fark off. DO NOT TRY TO PET IT!!!

It's ingrained into peoples heads now because everyone claims it, but if you re-watch the movie, that is NOT how it happened.

Milburn was too close, and not cautious enough, but he never tried to touch the thing. He did wave his hand around in front of it, and was surprised to see it seem to react like a cobra, but he was a good 4 feet away at all times, and very hesitant at it's movements prior. .


I think one of the problems this scene has, at least if I'm remembering it correctly, is that it's shot from behind Milburn or behind the face worm flattening the scene. Again, if I'm remembering correctly, not much at all of the scene is filmed from the side.
 
2012-10-07 03:20:52 AM  

One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own




http://bloody-disgusting.com/news/3193047/watch-a-whopping-14-minutes - of-deleted-scenes-from-prometheus/
Go 4:28 in... for some reason it won't allow me to make a link of it.  Probably need to take the spaces out after "minutes" and "of".
 
2012-10-07 05:00:57 AM  

2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?


You can get Blu-Ray players for like $70-80 dollars now at most stores. DVDs are getting close to being 20 years old.
 
2012-10-07 05:48:26 AM  

browntimmy: 2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?

You can get Blu-Ray players for like $70-80 dollars now at most stores. DVDs are getting close to being 20 years old.


This Black Friday, most retailers are likely going to have stacks of BluRay players for under $50. Even the movies themselves aren't that bad, either. I bought The Avengers from Amazon the week it came out for $20, and that was the 4 disc version with 3D, BluRay, digital copy, DVD, and a code to download the movie soundtrack and a free comic.
 
2012-10-07 06:23:06 AM  

mamoru: The German guy being still alive AND being put into a body bag with his gun, so he could rise up at the end to get shot by the cop. Just sayin. It was a very solid movie otherwise.


I'll grant you the being alive part,but isn't it plausible he woke up, broke out of the bodybag, retrieved his gun, and so on?
 
2012-10-07 06:48:00 AM  

Mad_Radhu: browntimmy: 2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?

You can get Blu-Ray players for like $70-80 dollars now at most stores. DVDs are getting close to being 20 years old.

This Black Friday, most retailers are likely going to have stacks of BluRay players for under $50. Even the movies themselves aren't that bad, either. I bought The Avengers from Amazon the week it came out for $20, and that was the 4 disc version with 3D, BluRay, digital copy, DVD, and a code to download the movie soundtrack and a free comic.


And hell - if you own a PS3, you already have a BluRay player.
 
2012-10-07 08:40:52 AM  

One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own


Cant remeber what site I saw it on, but someone claimed to have translated what David was saying to the Engineer. Think it was along the lines of "This man (Weyland) has come to you to ask for a longer life", or something along those lines. If thats true I could see that pissing the alien off. The Engineers sacrificed one of their own to essientially create us, leave clues for us to find them when we reach the point of being able to create the technology to get to them, and then all we use it for is to ask for more of what they already gave us.

/Creation, I am disappoint
//not positive if the translation was accurate
 
2012-10-07 09:33:17 AM  
One thing I didn't really get was the lifecycle of the Xeno in this film. So let's assume that the stuff the engineer in the prologue ingests is not the same stuff in the canisters on the ship. We're still left with:
- Canister gunk infects crew member
- Crew member turns into zombie, but first impregnates sterile female
- Female gives birth to proto-face hugger
- Proto-face hugger grows to gargantuan size and face-rapes an engineer
- Engineer bursts open to reveal proto-Xeno

That is one complicated life cycle.
 
2012-10-07 09:53:50 AM  

NeoCortex42: One thing I didn't really get was the lifecycle of the Xeno in this film. So let's assume that the stuff the engineer in the prologue ingests is not the same stuff in the canisters on the ship. We're still left with:
- Canister gunk infects crew member
- Crew member turns into zombie, but first impregnates sterile female
- Female gives birth to proto-face hugger
- Proto-face hugger grows to gargantuan size and face-rapes an engineer
- Engineer bursts open to reveal proto-Xeno

That is one complicated life cycle.


True. It looked gratuitous and appeared like a forced plot. Instead of saying the Engineers created the Aliens as a form of weaponry to be used in a war, we get a convoluted idea where the Aliens is some distant descendant of a a human, Alien, Engineer hybrid whose final form is refined in later movie by ?
I never got how the Alien in Alien looked so horrific with it's piston jaw and silver fangs and the thing in Prometheus looks like sort of the same but has a prehensile jaw and the teeth look like dentures. It's not well done as a science fiction story, but past Alien VS movies were also full of plot holes, bad dialog and forced characters.
 
2012-10-07 09:54:42 AM  

galactus5000: Mad_Radhu: browntimmy: 2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?

You can get Blu-Ray players for like $70-80 dollars now at most stores. DVDs are getting close to being 20 years old.

This Black Friday, most retailers are likely going to have stacks of BluRay players for under $50. Even the movies themselves aren't that bad, either. I bought The Avengers from Amazon the week it came out for $20, and that was the 4 disc version with 3D, BluRay, digital copy, DVD, and a code to download the movie soundtrack and a free comic.

And hell - if you own a PS3, you already have a BluRay player.


The downside though is you own a PS3.

/owns a PS3
//Its been banished to the secondary TV because it sucks at life when it comes to UPNP support and forced DRM cinavia.
///rips all my blurays because frankly getting up to change the discs is so...pedestrian.
 
2012-10-07 10:02:49 AM  

Irving Maimway: When it was going to be a full on Alien prequel, it was a solid story. When Ridley decided to make it not a prequel and then at the last moment half arse stick his toe in, it went all to hell. The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.


I didn't see it, but was there a group of characters added in the final act that had no connection to the previous two acts, and whose expository dialog regarding their own motivations added nothing to the character arcs of the rest of the movie?

If not, then Prometheus got off lucky.
 
2012-10-07 10:14:34 AM  

Mad_Radhu: browntimmy: 2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?

You can get Blu-Ray players for like $70-80 dollars now at most stores. DVDs are getting close to being 20 years old.

This Black Friday, most retailers are likely going to have stacks of BluRay players for under $50. Even the movies themselves aren't that bad, either. I bought The Avengers from Amazon the week it came out for $20, and that was the 4 disc version with 3D, BluRay, digital copy, DVD, and a code to download the movie soundtrack and a free comic.


Speaking of the 4 disc 3D CE Bluray of Prometheus will be on sale for $24.99 at best buy on Tuesday. They're also coming back with their DVD Upgrade promotion, so take any old shiatty DVD w/ original case and you'll get a $5 to put towards one pruchase, up to 5 coupons.

Thats $19.99 for Prometheus CE (MSRP $40, not that they ever charge that...)
 
2012-10-07 10:28:38 AM  

born_yesterday: Irving Maimway: When it was going to be a full on Alien prequel, it was a solid story. When Ridley decided to make it not a prequel and then at the last moment half arse stick his toe in, it went all to hell. The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.

I didn't see it, but was there a group of characters added in the final act that had no connection to the previous two acts, and whose expository dialog regarding their own motivations added nothing to the character arcs of the rest of the movie?

If not, then Prometheus got off lucky.


nope that's pretty much what happened. yeah she sat there and said who the heck are these people?
 
2012-10-07 10:57:54 AM  
I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.
 
2012-10-07 10:59:21 AM  

Irving Maimway: nope that's pretty much what happened. yeah she sat there and said who the heck are these people?


And didn't mention that she just gave birth to a nasty squirmy space squid and was wandering around with staples in her freshly-sliced abdomen.
 
2012-10-07 12:01:55 PM  

theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.


Oh man this. I did like the fact the moment he woke up he started killing the human "aliens". That's what I'd do if I woke up suddenly surrounded by aliens.
 
2012-10-07 12:10:43 PM  

theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.


Yeah, Prometheus was bad on its own right, but it has a special place in the pantheon of bad movies for ruining an existing mythology.
 
2012-10-07 12:24:53 PM  

logistic: I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.


I understand it fine as well, but I feel sorry for those who felt this was going to be all aliens killing humans fest.

I loved the film and will probably buy the blu ray then see the next one the first week it comes out. The only thing that bothers me is that at the end when they are running from the ship thats shaped like a donut, you dont run in a straight line away from it, you run sideways dummy.......

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.

Yeah, Prometheus was bad on its own right, but it has a special place in the pantheon of bad movies for ruining an existing mythology.


Ahhhhh film nerds, if anything it expanded the mythology and drew others into the world, personally I never got into the alien mythology because I asked too many questions, this film actually tried to answer some of those questions and the next should answer more or create more.

What I always find funny is that this film almost has the same plot and pace as the first alien film but people seem to remember the first one more fondly.
 
2012-10-07 12:53:17 PM  

theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.


And it also seemed to be significantly smaller than the space jockey in the original Alien movie....
 
2012-10-07 12:56:39 PM  

Znuh: I liked the part when Randall Flagg made an appearance. In both films.


We can probably find RF in every movie...
 
2012-10-07 12:57:21 PM  

steamingpile: logistic: I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.

I understand it fine as well, but I feel sorry for those who felt this was going to be all aliens killing humans fest.

I loved the film and will probably buy the blu ray then see the next one the first week it comes out. The only thing that bothers me is that at the end when they are running from the ship thats shaped like a donut, you dont run in a straight line away from it, you run sideways dummy.......

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.

Yeah, Prometheus was bad on its own right, but it has a special place in the pantheon of bad movies for ruining an existing mythology.

Ahhhhh film nerds, if anything it expanded the mythology and drew others into the world, personally I never got into the alien mythology because I asked too many questions, this film actually tried to answer some of those questions and the next should answer more or create more.

What I always find funny is that this film almost has the same plot and pace as the first alien film but people seem to remember the first one more fondly.


media.moddb.com
 
2012-10-07 01:05:33 PM  

steamingpile: What I always find funny is that this film almost has the same plot and pace as the first alien film but people seem to remember the first one more fondly.


I'm interested in what other things are also funny in your universe.
 
2012-10-07 01:13:57 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.

And it also seemed to be significantly smaller than the space jockey in the original Alien movie....


Depends which scene you're talking about. They used child actors in spacesuits for one scene, then back to the actual actors for the next. Thus the scale went wild.
 
2012-10-07 01:17:10 PM  

theorellior: steamingpile: What I always find funny is that this film almost has the same plot and pace as the first alien film but people seem to remember the first one more fondly.

I'm interested in what other things are also funny in your universe.


Well I mean funny in a sad, oh you poor little dim witted child funny. You humor them then show them something shiny to play with to keep them happy, hey the newer transformers is on cable, go get it!!!!!
 
2012-10-07 01:21:03 PM  

steamingpile: What I always find funny is that this film almost has the same plot and pace as the first alien film but people seem to remember the first one more fondly.


In the first movie you actually cared about the characters and wanted them to survive. Halfway through Prometheus, the characters are all so terribly conceived, written, and executed, that you're actually cheering for the monsters when they get offed. Alien3 had the same problem.
 
2012-10-07 02:02:54 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-07 02:07:39 PM  

TyrantII: Cuthbert Allgood: theorellior: I'll mention again that one of the biggest disappointments of Prometheus for me wasn't the crappy script and plot. It was the fact that the Space Jockey from "Alien" turned out to be just another boring humanoid alien dressed up in organic-looking armor and not some kind of elephanty space alien with lots of ribs.

And it also seemed to be significantly smaller than the space jockey in the original Alien movie....

Depends which scene you're talking about. They used child actors in spacesuits for one scene, then back to the actual actors for the next. Thus the scale went wild.


Really? I'm referencing the first time the space jockey is shown in the original, when they're walking up to it it seems the people are about the size of the jockey's arm... then in Prometheus The Engineer was like only 10ft tall....

I really wanted to like Prometheus but the more I thought about it after the days I saw it the less I liked it. I agree with the sentiment that they had the premise for it to be an amazing syfy movie, but the execution was lacking....

//actually, if it was made for SyFy it would've been one of their better original monster movies. Right behind Sharktopus, obviously.
 
2012-10-07 02:16:02 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood:
Really? I'm referencing the first time the space jockey is shown in the original, when they're walking up to it it seems the people are about the size of the jockey's arm... then in Prometheus The Engineer was like only 10ft tall....

I really wanted to like Prometheus but the more I thought about it after the days I saw it the less I liked it. I agree with the sentiment that they had the premise for it to be an amazing syfy movie, but the execution was lacking....

//actually, if it was made for SyFy it would've been one of their better original monster movies. Right behind Sharktopus, obviously.


Yes really. That shot was done with children to make it look more epic, but upon closer inspection of the later shots around the SJ, it's much more in line with the chair and JP in Prometheus.

You're thinking this shot, which is what I'm thinking of: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081014171307/aliens/images/2/2 6/SpaceJockey.jpg

Then there was this shot with the actors: http://liveforfilms.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/space-jockey-alien.jpg

Funny enough, the same problems arise in Prometheus when Shaw battles the Engineer in the life raft. He's big, but more NBA star big, and not as big as the optics earlier made him seem. Sticking him that life raft gave too many visual cues to measure him by, if you had a sharp eye.
 
2012-10-07 02:39:09 PM  

TyrantII: Funny enough, the same problems arise in Prometheus when Shaw battles the Engineer in the life raft. He's big, but more NBA star big, and not as big as the optics earlier made him seem. Sticking him that life raft gave too many visual cues to measure him by, if you had a sharp eye.


Interesting...

//seems a little sloppy
 
2012-10-07 02:55:22 PM  

Wise_Guy: Honest Trailer.

This about sums it up for me.


Here's another one from the redlettermedia guy who did the starwars prequels. Link

I really wanted to like promethius... I hope they redeem the story in the next film.
 
2012-10-07 04:31:17 PM  

browntimmy: 2words1finger: So is this where it's all going now, with all the good extras going only on the Blu-Ray? I mean excuse me, but all of us folks who don't see the point in shelling out $200 freaking dollars for a fancy new player when we still have DVD players that work just fine are getting shafted. WTF yo?

You can get Blu-Ray players for like $70-80 dollars now at most stores.


Yeah well.... I did not know that. But now I do.

DVDs are getting close to being 20 years old.


Wow, so anything that is old should just be discarded in favor of something new, regardless of the fact that it is still perfectly serviceable and can do its job perfectly fine? Man, you'd make a great Sandman.
 
2012-10-07 05:21:53 PM  
The guy who said , "Let's not advertise this as an Aliens movie" should be fired and never be able to work in Hollywood ever again.

Ever.
 
2012-10-07 05:25:24 PM  

Irving Maimway: The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.


You had me until there.
Now I feel you just can't watch a movie with more than one plot.
 
2012-10-07 05:43:54 PM  

Zombie DJ: Irving Maimway: The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.

You had me until there.
Now I feel you just can't watch a movie with more than one plot.


He's the one who rewrote it. I hold him at 70% to blame.
 
2012-10-07 05:51:59 PM  

Zombie DJ: The guy who said , "Let's not advertise this as an Aliens movie" should be fired and never be able to work in Hollywood ever again.

Ever.


remove the "not" ?
 
2012-10-07 06:42:07 PM  
So, based on this thread, I finally just watched Prometheus.

And it sucked.

Hard.

Did Lindelhof take directions from McG and Michael Bay? Zero flow, zero pacing, just pop, pop, pop stuff happening now and happening in ways that made me really not care. It was more exposition and whoop well it's easier to just let the plot splat on the ground rather than tell any kind of story or build any resemblance of organic tension.

Not a story, a sequence of things happening, like watching a stream of FB updates.

The serious shame is the viral promos had more depth. You didn't get to enjoy a damn thing; it was like Scott had all these fun ideas and Lindelhof fed them to you via a baseball pitching machine.
 
2012-10-07 07:00:53 PM  
Is that a passage from Steve Jobs memoirs?
 
2012-10-07 08:17:25 PM  
So I watched it last night and agree with almost everything in this thread, ESPECIALLY about the Pilot not being an elephant man but that being a suit. And many thanks for those links to Honest Trailer and Plinkett.

It did suck just as they said -- and having never seen Monster, is there any ever movie that made me hate a Charlize Theron character? Wow. But I pretty much hated everyone in that movie.

So if it has not been mentioned in also suffers from "prequel has more advanced tech than original" -- David seems far more advanced than Ash, and wouldn't the folks in Alien and Aliens have loved the GPS mapping balls!?

However, I do have a half assed explanation to answer Plinkett re: the DNA....

My take is that the Engineers travel extensively through space and are responsible originally for life on earth -- they are panspermia. And/Or that well all life is DNA based because of pan spermia.

1. So do we know the original dissolving engineer created man and only man? Is it possible his DNA was the creation of all life on the planet?

2. Regardless of when he dissolved, other engineers HAD TO HAVE come to earth, because he can't dissolve one day and the next be talking to all these other humans and giving them star maps.

So the original engineer creates life on earth, and at some point another engineer or more come to earth to *warn* earth that the engineering race is now more Zeus that Prometheus and will come after earth. So those rogue engineers that came to earth give the earthlings the star map: HERE, HERE IS WHERE THE DANGER IS.

Anyway, that's my rationalization.

I would like someone to explain to me why Noomi Rapeface's panties look like Leeloo's outfit, and why they are held together with ACE Bandage clips.

And as I said upthread, the Blade Runner tie in is very lame, Roy, Zhora, Pris, Rachel, (and possibly Rick) and perhaps even Leon all seem as advanced as David and far more advanced than Ash and were about 80 to 100 years earlier.
 
2012-10-07 08:30:40 PM  
Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.
 
2012-10-07 08:36:08 PM  

Kit Fister: One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own

Yeah, that kinda confused me too. Overall the movie was skim-worthy.

Also, there's a swedish movie with Noomi Rapace where she plays a woman basically making a porno. Includes lesbian strapon sex and her bent over a table. Hot.


Do you know the name of said movie?
 
2012-10-07 08:53:02 PM  

mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.


And if you are going to tie it in why not go full prequel? Seems like that was the way it was originally written. I would have been at least a LITTLE more satisfied if the Space Jockey ended up in his suit, in his chair etc. and then a real genuine Xeno comes flying out of his chest.

My other problems with the film were already mentioned. But it was pretty to look at (at least).
 
2012-10-07 08:53:08 PM  

mjbok: Kit Fister: One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own

Yeah, that kinda confused me too. Overall the movie was skim-worthy.

Also, there's a swedish movie with Noomi Rapace where she plays a woman basically making a porno. Includes lesbian strapon sex and her bent over a table. Hot.

Do you know the name of said movie?


Google it. There are even the pertinent clips on the internet.
 
2012-10-07 08:57:40 PM  

Benjamin Stone: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

And if you are going to tie it in why not go full prequel? Seems like that was the way it was originally written. I would have been at least a LITTLE more satisfied if the Space Jockey ended up in his suit, in his chair etc. and then a real genuine Xeno comes flying out of his chest.

My other problems with the film were already mentioned. But it was pretty to look at (at least).


It's important to remember that Prometheus did not take place on the same planet as Alien(s). They are on a different ship entirely.
 
2012-10-07 09:04:22 PM  
Also, it seems highly unlikely that any spacecraft can fall from several hundred to several thousand feet and land intact and aligned on it's axis to roll, especially a ship that is circular in shape but not a complete circle missing a huge arc.

It would almost certainly fall and squash and not roll but just break apart.

That whole rolling thing, while nice CGI, was about as stupid and dumb as has ever been presented in a science fiction movie.
 
2012-10-07 09:10:37 PM  

RoyBatty: Also, it seems highly unlikely that any spacecraft can fall from several hundred to several thousand feet and land intact and aligned on it's axis to roll, especially a ship that is circular in shape but not a complete circle missing a huge arc.

It would almost certainly fall and squash and not roll but just break apart.

That whole rolling thing, while nice CGI, was about as stupid and dumb as has ever been presented in a science fiction movie.


"You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bon-fire under her deck? I have no time for such nonsense."
- Napoleon, on Robert Fulton's Steamship


Its science fiction.
 
2012-10-07 09:14:00 PM  

Kit Fister: mjbok: Kit Fister: One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own

Yeah, that kinda confused me too. Overall the movie was skim-worthy.

Also, there's a swedish movie with Noomi Rapace where she plays a woman basically making a porno. Includes lesbian strapon sex and her bent over a table. Hot.

Do you know the name of said movie?

Google it. There are even the pertinent clips on the internet.


Found it. Unfortunately I have a huge problem with winter bush. It was out of control.
 
2012-10-07 09:16:54 PM  

Irving Maimway: Zombie DJ: Irving Maimway: The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.

You had me until there.
Now I feel you just can't watch a movie with more than one plot.

He's the one who rewrote it. I hold him at 70% to blame.


Jon Spathis' script would have been worse. It was a rehash of everything that came before (crew find eggs, crew gets infected, xeno kills), and was basically already done in AvP. It would have got panned.

From what I've read, most of the redeeming qualities were changes made by Lindelof. Shaw's struggle with faith, and the focus on David were his stuff. He ripped out the overused xeno stuff, but kept the setting, and focused on the SJ's. I don't think he spent much time on the other characters, who were always to just be meatbags.

The movie might have been mixed, but the original script would have sucked. We've seen it 5 times, and one of those flicks would have been way to similar.
 
2012-10-07 09:19:44 PM  

NeoCortex42: Benjamin Stone: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

And if you are going to tie it in why not go full prequel? Seems like that was the way it was originally written. I would have been at least a LITTLE more satisfied if the Space Jockey ended up in his suit, in his chair etc. and then a real genuine Xeno comes flying out of his chest.

My other problems with the film were already mentioned. But it was pretty to look at (at least).

It's important to remember that Prometheus did not take place on the same planet as Alien(s). They are on a different ship entirely.


Understood. But all it would take were a few changes in the script to get them on the same planet as Alien. I don't know. I just don't see the point of even placing this in the Alien universe at all.
 
2012-10-07 09:22:38 PM  

RoyBatty:

And as I said upthread, the Blade Runner tie in is very lame, Roy, Zhora, Pris, Rachel, (and possibly Rick) and perhaps even Leon all seem as advanced as David and far more advanced than Ash and were about 80 to 100 years earlier.


Replicants are genetic/synthetic biology, not technology. David/Ash are machines to the core.
 
2012-10-07 09:24:52 PM  

RoyBatty: Also, it seems highly unlikely that any spacecraft can fall from several hundred to several thousand feet and land intact and aligned on it's axis to roll, especially a ship that is circular in shape but not a complete circle missing a huge arc.

It would almost certainly fall and squash and not roll but just break apart.

That whole rolling thing, while nice CGI, was about as stupid and dumb as has ever been presented in a science fiction movie.


How about a 2,000 ton falling saucers coming in at the speed of sound (ST:Generations)

/inserttechnobablehere
 
2012-10-07 09:27:26 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Its science fiction.


Science fiction is allowing gravity on board the ship as it travels in space and not worrying about it or marveling about the technology and science that made that possible.

Wondering how a semi-circular craft missing a good chunk of the arc it would need to be structurally intact falls several thousand feet under gravity and doesn't squash enough so that it can roll at pretty much the speed our heroine can run and not just squash flat or tip over all to build up to a several minute set piece as we worry for our heroines is not science fiction, it's just shoddy film-making.
 
2012-10-07 09:27:29 PM  

TyrantII: Irving Maimway: Zombie DJ: Irving Maimway: The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.

You had me until there.
Now I feel you just can't watch a movie with more than one plot.

He's the one who rewrote it. I hold him at 70% to blame.

Jon Spathis' script would have been worse. It was a rehash of everything that came before (crew find eggs, crew gets infected, xeno kills), and was basically already done in AvP. It would have got panned.

From what I've read, most of the redeeming qualities were changes made by Lindelof. Shaw's struggle with faith, and the focus on David were his stuff. He ripped out the overused xeno stuff, but kept the setting, and focused on the SJ's. I don't think he spent much time on the other characters, who were always to just be meatbags.

The movie might have been mixed, but the original script would have sucked. We've seen it 5 times, and one of those flicks would have been way to similar.


The trade off is they made an aliens movie with no aliens in it, no explanations relevant to the original or its successors, and no scary content for that matter.
I'm the kind of person that normally can't stand a horror movie, and even I walked out of the theater feeling like something important was sorely missing.

They should have freed themselves from the shackles of the aliens franchise if they didn't want to follow any of the old material. Just NOT make a prequel and the problem is solved.

/as it stands, Avatar was a better aliens prequel.
/or dances with wolves sequel...
 
2012-10-07 09:28:40 PM  

Benjamin Stone: NeoCortex42: Benjamin Stone: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

And if you are going to tie it in why not go full prequel? Seems like that was the way it was originally written. I would have been at least a LITTLE more satisfied if the Space Jockey ended up in his suit, in his chair etc. and then a real genuine Xeno comes flying out of his chest.

My other problems with the film were already mentioned. But it was pretty to look at (at least).

It's important to remember that Prometheus did not take place on the same planet as Alien(s). They are on a different ship entirely.

Understood. But all it would take were a few changes in the script to get them on the same planet as Alien. I don't know. I just don't see the point of even placing this in the Alien universe at all.


The reason they wanted to make it a different planet is so that they could easily leave room for an additional 1-2 movies before connecting it directly to Alien.
 
2012-10-07 09:32:59 PM  

TyrantII: RoyBatty: Also, it seems highly unlikely that any spacecraft can fall from several hundred to several thousand feet and land intact and aligned on it's axis to roll, especially a ship that is circular in shape but not a complete circle missing a huge arc.

It would almost certainly fall and squash and not roll but just break apart.

That whole rolling thing, while nice CGI, was about as stupid and dumb as has ever been presented in a science fiction movie.

How about a 2,000 ton falling saucers coming in at the speed of sound (ST:Generations)

/inserttechnobablehere


I forget ST:Generations, but could argue the shape of the ship being an intact filled in circle is much more likely to survive than a very hollow thin rim that is missing 10 degrees of arc. Also Star trek has some form of shields, and it's not clear that makes it to the Alien universe's ships.

I do recall people complaining of the various crash landings of star trek ships even then though, and this crash landing just seems egregiously bad and done not for any value to the plot but merely for the special effects.
 
2012-10-07 09:33:57 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7367818/79867230#c79867230" target="_blank">way south</a>:</b> <i>The trade off is they made an aliens movie with no aliens in it, no explanations relevant to the original or its successors, and no scary content for that matter.
I'm the kind of person that normally can't stand a horror movie, and even I walked out of the theater feeling like something important was sorely missing.

They should have freed themselves from the shackles of the aliens franchise if they didn't want to follow any of the old material. Just NOT make a prequel and the problem is solved.

/as it stands, Avatar was a better aliens prequel.
/or dances with wolves sequel...</i>


I don't disagree, but try getting a $130 million dollar budget and final (R) cut on a "New" science fiction story; with no previous IP to fall back on be it ALIEN, books, or even a damn short story. Hate to say it, but it doesn't happen. Not at the level this movie was made at.

As for Horror, I don't think it can even be classified as Horror. More suspense/thriller IMO, with homages to the original.

I think a lot of people are made because if only gave us glimpses of what the engineers were up to, yet again. People wanted to see xenos and wanted to know why the SJ had a cargo of eggs. Prometheus teased us with possible answers, but ultimately left those answers for later while it focused on different questions and on the characterization of David and Shaw.

I'm fine with that. A good number of people are not. Like, really not.
 
2012-10-07 09:39:01 PM  

RoyBatty: TyrantII: RoyBatty: Also, it seems highly unlikely that any spacecraft can fall from several hundred to several thousand feet and land intact and aligned on it's axis to roll, especially a ship that is circular in shape but not a complete circle missing a huge arc.

It would almost certainly fall and squash and not roll but just break apart.

That whole rolling thing, while nice CGI, was about as stupid and dumb as has ever been presented in a science fiction movie.

How about a 2,000 ton falling saucers coming in at the speed of sound (ST:Generations)

/inserttechnobablehere

I forget ST:Generations, but could argue the shape of the ship being an intact filled in circle is much more likely to survive than a very hollow thin rim that is missing 10 degrees of arc. Also Star trek has some form of shields, and it's not clear that makes it to the Alien universe's ships.

I do recall people complaining of the various crash landings of star trek ships even then though, and this crash landing just seems egregiously bad and done not for any value to the plot but merely for the special effects.


I do agree the crash was worse than the usual complaint; that they were running somewhat in a straight line. Still, I think part of the reasoning, besides being the cool FX finale, was to give a plausible explanation for how a similar ship crashed landed into it's weird position on LV-426 (ALIEN).

Shaw's placement is actually worse than Vickers, and she should also be dead. She jumps around quite a good distance when she was supposedly "rolling", and then finding herself in a safe spot. So besides the fact that people panicking do irrational things, running away or rolling to the side were both no win scenarios When you have a ship the side of a football field and more than 1/2 the width coming at you at a very quick clip.
 
2012-10-07 09:44:05 PM  

RoyBatty: TyrantII: RoyBatty: Also, it seems highly unlikely that any spacecraft can fall from several hundred to several thousand feet and land intact and aligned on it's axis to roll, especially a ship that is circular in shape but not a complete circle missing a huge arc.

It would almost certainly fall and squash and not roll but just break apart.

That whole rolling thing, while nice CGI, was about as stupid and dumb as has ever been presented in a science fiction movie.

How about a 2,000 ton falling saucers coming in at the speed of sound (ST:Generations)

/inserttechnobablehere

I forget ST:Generations, but could argue the shape of the ship being an intact filled in circle is much more likely to survive than a very hollow thin rim that is missing 10 degrees of arc. Also Star trek has some form of shields, and it's not clear that makes it to the Alien universe's ships.

I do recall people complaining of the various crash landings of star trek ships even then though, and this crash landing just seems egregiously bad and done not for any value to the plot but merely for the special effects.


To be fair, the enterprise D's saucer also had engines and thrusters even when heading for the planet. That meant that it was at least a semi-controlled descent.

Also, the hull plating would have to be strong enough to survive particle impacts at relatively high speeds just to fly through space (assuming the warp field bubble means the ship doesn't interact normally with space debris, so, a crash landing not teraing up the saucer too badly is not totally out of the question.

/nerd
 
2012-10-07 09:46:03 PM  

TyrantII: Shaw's placement is actually worse than Vickers, and she should also be dead. She jumps around quite a good distance when she was supposedly "rolling", and then finding herself in a safe spot. So besides the fact that people panicking do irrational things, running away or rolling to the side were both no win scenarios When you have a ship the side of a football field and more than 1/2 the width coming at you at a very quick clip.


I agree with that too. Run sideways and there is a very good chance you still get splatted, I've seen how pennies drop.

My strategy would be to take cover next to a large rock outcropping then pray to my favorite deities and hope the rock outcropping can puncture a hole in the ship and protect my ass.
 
2012-10-07 09:59:53 PM  
I liked Noomi Rapace's ass.
 
2012-10-07 10:06:12 PM  

RoyBatty: BumpInTheNight: Its science fiction.

Science fiction is allowing gravity on board the ship as it travels in space and not worrying about it or marveling about the technology and science that made that possible.

Wondering how a semi-circular craft missing a good chunk of the arc it would need to be structurally intact falls several thousand feet under gravity and doesn't squash enough so that it can roll at pretty much the speed our heroine can run and not just squash flat or tip over all to build up to a several minute set piece as we worry for our heroines is not science fiction, it's just shoddy film-making.

The substructure of the universe regresses infinitely towards smaller and smaller components. Behind atoms we find electrons, and behind electrons, quarks. Each layer unraveled reveals new secrets, but also new mysteries.

Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "For I Have Tasted the Fruit"


I'll continue to quote science fictions games until you understand.
 
2012-10-07 10:21:22 PM  

mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.


I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.
 
2012-10-07 10:31:42 PM  

BumpInTheNight: RoyBatty: BumpInTheNight: Its science fiction.

Science fiction is allowing gravity on board the ship as it travels in space and not worrying about it or marveling about the technology and science that made that possible.

Wondering how a semi-circular craft missing a good chunk of the arc it would need to be structurally intact falls several thousand feet under gravity and doesn't squash enough so that it can roll at pretty much the speed our heroine can run and not just squash flat or tip over all to build up to a several minute set piece as we worry for our heroines is not science fiction, it's just shoddy film-making.

The substructure of the universe regresses infinitely towards smaller and smaller components. Behind atoms we find electrons, and behind electrons, quarks. Each layer unraveled reveals new secrets, but also new mysteries.

Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "For I Have Tasted the Fruit"


I'll continue to quote science fictions games until you understand.


Then I shall have to bow out out of graciousness, my professors long ago realized that my process towards understanding might best be examined with Zeno's paradox.
 
2012-10-07 11:14:23 PM  

Trocadero: I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.


And it still didn't do (exceptionally) well domestically.

I love how the BR release ads mirror the L O S T final season ads: Questions will be answered. No, they won't.

The movie almost felt like the Alien connection was shoe horned in. Give the engineer a different looking ship and change the last ten minutes and there is no connection and it's a better movie IMHO. Still not a great movie, but a better movie.

I remember being disappointed seeing Alien3 in the theater. Much more disappointed in this movie, since I had higher expectations.
 
2012-10-07 11:29:10 PM  
The film was ridiculously easy to understand. In the future, space travel is very risky, so they only send people with Down syndrome or other mental retardation on the exploratory missions. What's so difficult to comprehend about that?
 
2012-10-07 11:42:34 PM  
...and what kind of captain takes his ship out not knowing who's on board, where its going, or why he's out there?

Yea, I'm just going to leave my life behind for five years (or who the FARK knows how long) because the pay is that good.
 
2012-10-07 11:57:11 PM  

way south: ...and what kind of captain takes his ship out not knowing who's on board, where its going, or why he's out there?

Yea, I'm just going to leave my life behind for five years (or who the FARK knows how long) because the pay is that good.


Seems like this answers the other plot holes. The only people stupid enough to answer such a vague ad would also be stupid enough to do everything else they do in the movie.
 
2012-10-08 12:30:16 AM  
It was the scene where they reanimated the space jockey head that made me realize I was watching an awful film. Up until that point, it wasn't yet terrible - I was waiting for the plot to pick up.

They find a disembodied head. A gizmo tells them that the head is 2,000 years old. Naturally, they take it back to the ship and decide to stab it's brain with an electrode in order to attempt to reanimate it, which is a baffling decision. Of course! Why didn't we think about doing that with King Tut's corpse? Being a movie, it works, of course. The head wakes up, screams, and explodes.

It was such a bizarre scene that I remember saying 'what the fark?' out loud in the theater. Who would think you could reanimate a 2,000 year old head with electricity? Even if you could, why would you attempt to bother? The head isn't connected to, you know, a heart, or lungs. All the blood would have seeped out of the veins, even assuming that the head was somehow magically preserved from breaking down or being mummified at some point over the previous 2,000 years. What did they hope to accomplish?

Of course, the scene merely existed to show that the jockey was in the process of being bio-farked when he died, hence why the head exploded after re-animation. That's a sign of terrible writing, of course. They have characters make bizarre decisions and do impossible things just so you can get to the next scene.

That one scene exemplifies the entire film. Decisions are not made because anyone would ever really make them - they're made just as an excuse to get to that next scene, however illogical they are. This movie was fueled by writer's block and cocaine.
 
2012-10-08 12:45:46 AM  

mjbok:

The movie almost felt like the Alien connection was shoe horned in. Give the engineer a different looking ship and change the last ten minutes and there is no connection and it's a better movie IMHO. Still not a great movie, but a better movie.


Which is ironic, because they _started_ with an Alien prequel and apparently this whole other story grew out of it. I agree with you, they should have _kept going_. The only proto facehugger we should have seen was the liquid alien that melted the geologist's helmet.

I remember being disappointed seeing Alien3 in the theater. Much more disappointed in this movie, since I had higher expectations.

Alien 3 was doomed the minute they ditched the original "on Earth, everyone can hear you scream" tagline. Plus that whole movie was a clusterfark of the studio taking control, re-writes, re-shoots, you name it, and even after all that it's a bunch of anonymous bald dudes running around for over half the movie.
 
2012-10-08 01:10:52 AM  
To quote my friend Popetom:

One thing that could have redeemed the movie is if they showed them placing the Craig's List add they obviously used to get all the expedition's scientists.

WANTED: Biologist for long term space mission of exploration. Willing to trade your skills for a paper clip. Must know an organic material (is has carbon as part of its composure) and the kind of farming that doesn't use pesticides.

Need Geologist to explore alien world. Must supply own mapping equipment. Must know how to release laser balls, map reading skills nice but not priority. Also need super talked-up President of evil corporation to give lackluster performance and to appear (through work and method) absolutely incidental to anything else that's going on.
 
2012-10-08 01:24:03 AM  
Also:

Remember when things that were taking place in science fiction were hard? Filled with risk? Certainty and outcomes not guaranteed?

We see this in the first film. The equipment doesn't work right, they seriously fark up the scout ship when they land, there's an overall pervading sense of taking risks with a serious possibility of very bad consequences. It felt like being stuck in the middle of space.

With this film nah. Hey! Let's land! No problems. Oh wow! There's the landing site we should choose! I'll just boop these random buttons on the wall and yow! Hey! I opened these doors / powered up the inner sanctum! Man, I sure could use this thing out of my belly! Damn! It even holds it for me at the end!

Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING felt like it was dangerous, nothing felt real in any sense of the word. To quote Samwise from above, "It was a film fueled by writers block and cocaine".

Also, the clusterfark of an ending given to LOST makes a hell of a lot more sense now. @*()*#@ Lindelhof is a farking hack who wouldn't know how to compose and end a three note song made entirely from farts.
 
2012-10-08 01:34:33 AM  

Znuh: Need Geologist to explore alien world. Must supply own mapping equipment. Must know how to release laser balls, map reading skills nice but not priority. Also need super talked-up President of evil corporation to give lackluster performance and to appear (through work and method) absolutely incidental to anything else that's going on.


You're right.

Guy Pearce in the faux TED Talk was 1000 x better than Guy Pearce in the actual movie.
 
2012-10-08 04:10:24 AM  

Znuh: Also:

Remember when things that were taking place in science fiction were hard? Filled with risk? Certainty and outcomes not guaranteed?

We see this in the first film. The equipment doesn't work right, they seriously fark up the scout ship when they land, there's an overall pervading sense of taking risks with a serious possibility of very bad consequences. It felt like being stuck in the middle of space.

With this film nah. Hey! Let's land! No problems. Oh wow! There's the landing site we should choose! I'll just boop these random buttons on the wall and yow! Hey! I opened these doors / powered up the inner sanctum! Man, I sure could use this thing out of my belly! Damn! It even holds it for me at the end!

Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING felt like it was dangerous, nothing felt real in any sense of the word. To quote Samwise from above, "It was a film fueled by writers block and cocaine".

Also, the clusterfark of an ending given to LOST makes a hell of a lot more sense now. @*()*#@ Lindelhof is a farking hack who wouldn't know how to compose and end a three note song made entirely from farts.


It felt all wrong I agree.

The scientists behaved like kids hitting the waves with their jet skis. I think they were afraid that letting the technical parts get technical would be boring.
 
2012-10-08 05:08:51 AM  

Jocundry: Here's my take...all films have plot holes. Good films make you not notice or not care about the plot holes.

Prometheus is not one of those films.

Not for me at least.


Prometheus didn't have plot holes, so much as a glossed-over bunch of crap that made no sense when you strung it all together. I can forgive plot holes. I can't forgive lazy storytelling, especially not in a picture that had that much visual potential and that much money invested in it.
 
2012-10-08 09:21:20 AM  

Trocadero: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.


I disagree.

If Ridley Scott goes to the studio and says "Hey, I've been thinking of making another sci-fi movie. I haven't done one of those in a awhile. Remember how great Alien and Blade Runner were?", the studio would still give him whatever he asked for.
 
2012-10-08 10:00:07 AM  

NeoCortex42: Trocadero: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.

I disagree.

If Ridley Scott goes to the studio and says "Hey, I've been thinking of making another sci-fi movie. I haven't done one of those in a awhile. Remember how great Alien and Blade Runner were?", the studio would still give him whatever he asked for.


Having just watched Prometheus last night (largely due to this thread) let's hope with the next one he pays more attention to the film school intern sitting in corner with a palm over his face through any plot discussion.
 
2012-10-08 10:41:15 AM  

NeoCortex42: Trocadero: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.

I disagree.

If Ridley Scott goes to the studio and says "Hey, I've been thinking of making another sci-fi movie. I haven't done one of those in a awhile. Remember how great Alien and Blade Runner were?", the studio would still give him whatever he asked for.


Except it's Ridley Scott, so when the studio comes to him with 61,547 ideas to make the film "more commercial" he'll implement them all so that he has a shot of getting funding next time.
He seriously seems to live in fear of never being able to make another movie ever again, and he doesn't seem to realize that with every cut-to-hell (Kingdom of Heaven) or just plain lazily written (Sherwood, Prometheus) film he makes he's tarnishing the legacy he SHOULD be able to make films on. The fact that Scott made this movie is probably what got most people to see it. If it had been just another Alien film it would have tanked.
 
2012-10-08 10:41:57 AM  
I saw this in theaters, and honestly hated it more than I expected, considering I had no context to put it in. I've never seen any of the Alien films. It was all just a giant "WTF?" until the monster shows up in the last 5 minutes. In fact, I forgot this film existed 'til this thread showed up.

//or maybe it's the weed
 
2012-10-08 12:04:16 PM  

Animatronik: The scientists behaved like kids hitting the waves with their jet skis.


I'm so old, I remember dune buggies.

But I was thinking why are the dune buggies riding specifically in this giant dust storm kicked up by the dune bus? Why don't they ride a bit to the outside, a bit further back, or in front? How could anyone drive in that cloud of dust?

Also wondered why when they saw the storm moving in or earlier, they didn't move their damn ship a mile closer to the entrance.

(And wondered wtf the squid was eating in the medical bay that allowed it to grow from small dog size to queen alien size....)
 
2012-10-08 02:02:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: Trocadero: mjbok: Other than things already mentioned what bothered me most is there was no reason for this to have anything to do with the Alien universe. Honestly it probably is a better movie without it.

I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.

I disagree.

If Ridley Scott goes to the studio and says "Hey, I've been thinking of making another sci-fi movie. I haven't done one of those in a awhile. Remember how great Alien and Blade Runner were?", the studio would still give him whatever he asked for. have said "Blade Runner sucked and was a flop and even YOU can't shart out a decent "director's cut" that makes people happy and the last few movies with Aliens in them were ravaged by critics and did dismal box office. Why don't you go fark yourself?"

 
2012-10-08 06:05:17 PM  

NeoCortex42: If Ridley Scott goes to the studio and says "Hey, I've been thinking of making another sci-fi movie. I haven't done one of those in a awhile. Remember how great Alien and Blade Runner were?", the studio would still give him whatever he asked for.


No they wouldn't, nor should they (from a business stand point). I haven't seen a movie this advertised, hyped, drilled into the public consciousness as much as this film in a long time. Despite that (and the is it/isn't it an Alien prequel faux secrecy) it didn't make it's budget back domestically. It made 126 million against a 130 million dollar budget. It made 300 million world wide, but the advertising budget for this movie had to approach (if not exceed) 100 million. The ads were constantly on every show, every network. The klaxon sound thing was effective. It's burned into my brain, and if I just hear that I know it is a Prometheus ad.

Looking at his last few movies, Robin Hood did 100/330/200 (domestic, worldwide, budget)
Body of Lies 39/?/70
American Gangster 130/265/100
A Good Year 7/?/35
Kingdom of Heaven 47/152/130
Matchstick Men 37/66/?

None of those are smash hits (with the possible exception of AG)

You have to go back to Hannibal to come up with a legit smash (over 4x budget).
 
2012-10-08 07:04:55 PM  

mjbok: Trocadero: I agree w/ that, but there's no farking way the studio would've given anything over $10K and a camera phone to make it. You had to pitch the Alien prequel part to get that sweet, sweet financing.

And it still didn't do (exceptionally) well domestically.


Luckily there's still science fictions fans overseas, and overseas is increasingly Hollywood's focus. Fox is got to be happy that they spend a good $30 million less than Trek 2009, and brought in quite a few more bengis'. Hell, and Trek was PG13!
 
2012-10-08 07:32:21 PM  
There's another easter egg in the same extras on the Blu-Ray that ties in with Alien.

**Possible spoiler I guess...sort of**

In another one of those text things, Weyland says he is financing Shaw's mission partially because Weyland scanners detected life...but not on the planet where the movie takes place (LV-223). The signal was coming from LV-426, which is where they land in Alien(s). The mission will humor Shaw's wishes to explore LV-223, but they will then continue on to LV-426, and Meredith and David are the only others who are made aware of this.

In relation to what the majority of this discussion is about, I think the decisions made by the characters make sense when you think about it. The geologist and biologist are idiots because Weyland picked some random people, because the scientific aspect of the mission was less important to him. And a lot of the rash/stupid decisions made by Shaw and Holloway I think fit in to the hubris that humans exhibit when they are driven to exploration and discovery.
 
2012-10-08 07:44:03 PM  

TyrantII: Luckily there's still science fictions fans overseas, and overseas is increasingly Hollywood's focus. Fox is got to be happy that they spend a good $30 million less than Trek 2009, and brought in quite a few more bengis'. Hell, and Trek was PG13!


Trek cost 140 (so ten more) and grossed 56 more, so it's kind of a wash. Honestly I'm shocked that Trek only made that much. I guess since it made so much more domestically (258 vs. 126) it was considered a bigger hit?
 
2012-10-08 08:05:26 PM  

mjbok: TyrantII: Luckily there's still science fictions fans overseas, and overseas is increasingly Hollywood's focus. Fox is got to be happy that they spend a good $30 million less than Trek 2009, and brought in quite a few more bengis'. Hell, and Trek was PG13!

Trek cost 140 (so ten more) and grossed 56 more, so it's kind of a wash. Honestly I'm shocked that Trek only made that much. I guess since it made so much more domestically (258 vs. 126) it was considered a bigger hit?


Yes because studios get a much bigger cut of the domestic box office. That's why there wasn't a Troy 2 or King Arthur 2.
 
2012-10-08 08:42:06 PM  

Mr. Chainsaw: and Holloway


Holloway's depression over not finding life makes no sense whatsoever.
 
2012-10-08 09:26:40 PM  

RoyBatty: Mr. Chainsaw: and Holloway

Holloway's depression over not finding life makes no sense whatsoever.


He wasn't disappointed that they didn't find life, it's that they actually did find the engineers but couldn't ask them the big questions. And really, if you came THAT close, wouldn't you be pretty bummed out too? In the deleted scenes, there's a lot more of this, and he throws a big drunken hissy fit about it, which is too much. I'm glad they cut it.
 
2012-10-08 09:38:33 PM  

carnifex2005: Yes because studios get a much bigger cut of the domestic box office. That's why there wasn't a Troy 2 or King Arthur 2.


To be fair King Arthur did make about 40% of its budget back domestically (made 3x domestic internationally), but if you had asked me which was closer to the worldwide gross of Troy, 200 million or 700 million I would have bet LOTS of money that is was closer to 200. I was shocked it clocked in just under 500. That's a lot of doubloons, especially considering on 120 of that was local.
 
2012-10-08 10:08:43 PM  

RoyBatty: It did suck just as they said -- and having never seen Monster, is there any ever movie that made me hate a Charlize Theron character? Wow. But I pretty much hated everyone in that movie.


Aeon Flux! 
 
2012-10-08 10:09:36 PM  

Mr. Chainsaw: And really, if you came THAT close, wouldn't you be pretty bummed out too?


Why would he think there was life on that planet?

It's been what 2,000, 10,000, 30,000 years since the Engineers contacted earth. There are no radio signals or light signals from that star system or near it. There's no other sign of life in the Universe (that the audience knows about). Why would he expect the Engineers to still be alive?

And yet, when he gets there, he literally discovers buried treasure wealth beyond his imagination. Above ground roads and runways, buried structures, complex tech, shiat loads of stuff to study, and holy smokes, the skeletons and heads of the Engineers and some very intriguing holograms.

And he found it in the first six hours. No telling what might happen in the next few days or weeks -- more stuff to find, maybe a hint as to where the Engineers are now or what happened to them.

I honestly have no idea why someone would be disappointed with that to the extent that was portrayed in the movie.
 
2012-10-08 10:10:28 PM  

Whorbal: RoyBatty: It did suck just as they said -- and having never seen Monster, is there any ever movie that made me hate a Charlize Theron character? Wow. But I pretty much hated everyone in that movie.

Aeon Flux!


Okay, thanks, I'll put that on my Netflix for when I really hate myself.
 
2012-10-09 03:29:34 AM  
I always thought the Space Jockey/Engineer seat was a turret/gun, and since the xenomorphs are extreme-enviro-adapted, that the eggs made excellent projectiles launched to the surface of a planet at cities/whatever.

In that shiat-fest that was Prometheus, the goo-containers look like projectiles to be fired from that turret/gun.

/Nuke it from orbit?
 
2012-10-09 10:34:11 AM  
Just picked up the 3D BD CE at Bestbuy for $20. Can't wait to dive back into it tonight. 7 hours of extras including the 3 hour doc is going to be fun.

Movie gets a lot of hate, but it's a worthy addition to my science fiction collection.

Guess too many people got hung up on wanting the classic ALIEN formula yet again. It was done to death, and AVP was a failure of comedic proportions. This would have been too if it just retold the same story yet again, without trying to shake things up.
 
2012-10-09 10:36:08 AM  

One Bad Apple: I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.


Great scene, saw it last night.

It should have been included in the theater version. It explains A LOT about the Engineer's rage.
 
2012-10-09 11:51:17 AM  

TyrantII: Guess too many people got hung up on wanting the classic ALIEN formula yet again.


I don't really see anyone making that complaint. People are complaining because the movie sucks, the characters are dumb, etc.
 
2012-10-09 12:59:57 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: TyrantII: Guess too many people got hung up on wanting the classic ALIEN formula yet again.

I don't really see anyone making that complaint. People are complaining because the movie sucks, the characters are dumb, etc.


subjectively, sure. You can rip into both of the "golden movies" the same way, and get the same results.

It's like the idiots ripping apart Trek 2009, and in the same breath saying Generations or Insurrection wasn't that bad.

Prometheus wasn't vertigo, but the kvetching over this movie is appalling. But that's the internet for you in 2010, where a 400 million dollar R science fiction movie is horrible and a failure.

/Hispterglasses
 
2012-10-09 01:07:53 PM  

TyrantII: Prometheus wasn't vertigo, but the kvetching over this movie is appalling. But that's the internet for you in 2010, where a 400 million dollar R science fiction movie is horrible and a failure.


Argumentum ad McDonalds, form of Prometheus.
 
2012-10-09 01:47:19 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7367818/79900997#c79900997" target="_blank">RoyBatty</a>:</b> <i>TyrantII: Prometheus wasn't vertigo, but the kvetching over this movie is appalling. But that's the internet for you in 2010, where a 400 million dollar R science fiction movie is horrible and a failure.

Argumentum ad McDonalds, form of Prometheus.</i>

touche

But Fox couldn't sell happy meals to the tweens here. Makes you wonder what it would have done if they got a PG-13 rating...
 
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