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2012-10-06 03:11:55 PM
I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.
 
2012-10-06 03:18:22 PM
I understood it fine. Moneygrab.
 
2012-10-06 03:24:18 PM
I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own
 
2012-10-06 03:34:54 PM
Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?
 
2012-10-06 03:48:53 PM
The plot was easy enough to understand, it was the stupidity level of the characters and choices they make that defies explanation.

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


Depends. Visually it has some decent space porn. Character/story-wise it's nearly a disaster, with the only bright spots being Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace.
 
2012-10-06 03:49:30 PM

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


I thought it was awesome. I don't typically agree with critics. My favorite films are Shawshank Redemption, Royal Tenenbaums, Mulholland Drive, Strange Days, Sunshine, The 39 Steps, Inception...pretty varied.

That being said, I didn't go into it with any specific expectations and I thought it was great. Excellent direction, complex enough plot to keep my attention and the acting was pretty good with a few negative points.

Anyway, I don't own stock in it or anything, but I suggest it.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:53 PM

One Bad Apple: I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.


That's something I want to know as well. I have some guesses, but I'd love to know which it actually was.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:22 PM

One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own


He said, "I wanted to get naked in this movie, but Ridley said no."
 
2012-10-06 05:19:34 PM

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


Yes, easily. It's on my top 10 of the year so far. It is best viewed on a huge screen though.
 
2012-10-06 05:39:19 PM
Oh goodie, I get to use the Michael Fassbender Trollface pic again.

i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-06 06:08:18 PM
I liked it. It didn't blow my mind or anything but it was a pretty original story, and a lot of great scenes and set pieces, acting was fine. It does fall apart when you think about it too much, and my favorite scene in the movie was also the most needing a willing suspension of disbelief (the medical pod). But hey, it was fun.
 
2012-10-06 07:35:58 PM
Knocking Tyrell's replicant technology that brought some of the most heroic characters of 2019 seems odd in light of Ash, an A-2 built 100 years later who was still a bit twitchy and worked covertly for Company aims and not for the goals of his crewmates.

But perhaps that's hubris in action.

/I may be a bit prejudiced in this debate.
 
2012-10-06 07:47:19 PM
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2012-10-06 07:48:46 PM
I found it so dumb that I walked out about an hour into it. There. I said it.
 
2012-10-06 07:49:17 PM
I'm too lazy to look up the timeline, but wouldn't Tyrell have been about a century or more ahead of Weyland? Not to mention, I'm not too keen on that crossover.

As for the Prometheus gab, I concur with the view that no one's actions really matched the reality of what was going on. Long past the time that everyone knew that Things Were F*cked Up they were still lallygagging around with bullsh*t. Overall the film was fine. Not as good as the hype allowed, but a solid sci-fi film with nice tie-ins to an absolute classic.
 
2012-10-06 07:50:47 PM
it sorta reminded me of the rocky horror picture show
 
2012-10-06 07:51:13 PM
Here's my take...all films have plot holes. Good films make you not notice or not care about the plot holes.

Prometheus is not one of those films.

Not for me at least.
 
2012-10-06 07:52:48 PM

Fark It:

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?

Depends. Visually it has some decent space porn. Character/story-wise it's nearly a disaster, with the only bright spots being Michael Fassbender and Noomi Rapace.


FTFY

How in the world do scientists/doctors/engineers go utterly stupid once they hit space? I mean, have they NEVER played FPS video games? ANYTHING that moves TOWARDS you, or LOOKS odd or aggressive, you KILL! Is it that hard?

Geez.

In case you don't get it, thats whats wrong with the characters...
 
2012-10-06 07:55:44 PM

swahnhennessy: I'm too lazy to look up the timeline


Well, you guys were no help. Anyway, it works. 2019/2089.
 
2012-10-06 07:56:51 PM
Keep the xenos in Aliens universe, and keep Tyrell and his machinations in the Blade Runner universe. Just stop it there Ridley Scott.

Otherwise ... is Soldier now part of the Aliens, Predators, and Blade Runner universe, where Western corporate thought goes all the way back to the days of interim Roman Emperor Maximus Decimus Meridius? Is it a world where men wince at the slap of honorable words "Never lie, even if it leads to your death; that is your oath?" And is it a world where Satan rescues Ferris Bueller's girlfriend and tries to disguise her as a goth from unemployed elf boy Tom Cruise and his coeterie of fairies and dwarves?
 
2012-10-06 07:58:36 PM
I thought the movie was fine. It was everything the trailer made it out to be - a horror film set in space.
 
2012-10-06 08:04:22 PM

Fark It: The plot was easy enough to understand, it was the stupidity level of the characters and choices they make that defies explanation.


Yep. The biologist is the one that ignores an alien creature acting aggressively and the guy with the map is the one that gets lost.

The movie had a great premise and looked great, but some of the characters deserved to be smacked repeatedly.
 
2012-10-06 08:12:54 PM

Practical_Draconian: Keep the xenos in Aliens universe, and keep Tyrell and his machinations in the Blade Runner universe. Just stop it there Ridley Scott.

Otherwise ... is Soldier now part of the Aliens, Predators, and Blade Runner universe, where Western corporate thought goes all the way back to the days of interim Roman Emperor Maximus Decimus Meridius? Is it a world where men wince at the slap of honorable words "Never lie, even if it leads to your death; that is your oath?" And is it a world where Satan rescues Ferris Bueller's girlfriend and tries to disguise her as a goth from unemployed elf boy Tom Cruise and his coeterie of fairies and dwarves?


It is all a fantasy of Tommy Westphall.
 
2012-10-06 08:13:34 PM
Secondary characters were a bit weak, but what do you really expect after ALIEN? That was a B movie made with a flim crew with a AAA imagination.

Rest of the movie was fine, and Rapace and Fassbender did an excellent jobs with the leads. Plot / story was strong, and didn't give too much away.

Paradise is set up for some big payoffs and complement it, chief I hope to be a 100% H.R. Giger inspired world.
 
2012-10-06 08:17:49 PM

swahnhennessy: Not as good as the hype allowed, but a solid sci-fi film with nice tie-ins


Avengers
Spiderman
TDKR

Pretty much everything. Not that the above were bad, nor entertaining. Just the hype is just that, marketing hype.

I tend to watch the teaser and first trailer then call it quits now. Studios and marketing tend to give you 1/2 a movie before it's even released now through 10 trailer, webisodes, special site exclusives, TV exclusives, ect. I read someone took all the footage Sony released of Spiderman on the web and put together 45min of the movie! And it's usually all the spectral, leaving only the boring or slower character stuff that in the end is buoyed up by the payoff from the spectacle.
 
2012-10-06 08:19:20 PM

TyrantII: Pretty much everything. Not that the above were bad, nor entertaining. Just the hype is just that, marketing hype.


I wasn't referring to the marketing at all.
 
2012-10-06 08:26:24 PM
You folks enjoy, I have zero interest in rewatching such a dumbfark cinematic disappointment. I'll give the sequel a try, maybe they'll hire a writer that understands how to make a plot airtight.
 
2012-10-06 08:29:13 PM
I liked the part when Randall Flagg made an appearance. In both films.
 
2012-10-06 08:54:10 PM

Jocundry: Here's my take...all films have plot holes. Good films make you not notice or not care about the plot holes.

Prometheus is not one of those films.

Not for me at least.


What were the plot holes that Chinatown, Die Hard and Pulp Fiction made me not care about?
 
2012-10-06 08:58:22 PM

TyrantII: Pretty much everything. Not that the above were bad, nor entertaining. Just the hype is just that, marketing hype.


This could be me being out of the loop... I don't watch tv as much as I used to and don't see commercials... But in my opinion, TDKR was overhyped, Avengers was spot on, and Spider-man really didn't get that my hype. Like, I really only saw a couple previews for it, but it was much better than I expected based on that.
 
2012-10-06 09:08:14 PM

One Bad Apple: I could understand the film but most of the main characters' actions were pretty facepalm worthy. Overall I liked "Prometheus"

I am mostly just interested in the deleted scene of the dialogue exchange between David and the Engineer before it goes all BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD and tries to kill everyone.

Everything else I figured out on my own


Yeah, that kinda confused me too. Overall the movie was skim-worthy.

Also, there's a swedish movie with Noomi Rapace where she plays a woman basically making a porno. Includes lesbian strapon sex and her bent over a table. Hot.
 
2012-10-06 09:19:50 PM

fusillade762: Oh goodie, I get to use the Michael Fassbender Trollface pic again.


Holy shiat, is that real?

Fassbender looks like he's about to say, "I'm this farking awesome. Problem, biatches?"
 
2012-10-06 09:27:41 PM

Clutch2013: fusillade762: Oh goodie, I get to use the Michael Fassbender Trollface pic again.

Holy shiat, is that real?

Fassbender looks like he's about to say, "I'm this farking awesome. Problem, biatches?"


I thought that was Ellen Degeneres.
 
2012-10-06 09:45:06 PM

logistic: I feel sorry for anyone that couldn't understand this film. I mean...seriously sorry. Like "Gee it must suck to be confined to that wheelchair" sorry. The plot to Wizard of Oz must make your head spin.


Well duh. The movie can be summed up with "Turn off your brain since it has awesome visuals and music, which is all a movie needs these days since most people don't want to have to think about anything while watching a movie." It's simple enough a cave man could understand it.
 
2012-10-06 09:46:23 PM

TyrantII: Secondary characters were a bit weak, but what do you really expect after ALIEN? That was a B movie made with a flim crew with a AAA imagination.


The thing is that all the characters is Alien were, while not "deep", still well drawn and were consistent with how they should have acted. Ironically, except for the one character that had no real emotions, none of the characters in Prometheus behaved in any way realistically. As I said when it first came out, the plot was driving the characters, instead of the other way around.Damon Lindelof is just not a very good writer.
 
2012-10-06 09:46:55 PM
 
2012-10-06 09:55:55 PM
It was an okay movie. It was a terrible Aliens movie.
 
2012-10-06 09:58:19 PM

Bontesla: Haven't watched it. Is it worth checking out?


If Prometheus was actually porn, it would star (insert Hollywood stars here. example. Scarlet Johansson, Christina Hendricks, Keira Knightly, Olivia Wylde, etc.). It would have the music composed by John Williams. And the story would be written by "Harry Pooter" who normally writes Crab and Goyle gay fanfiction.
 
2012-10-06 10:01:59 PM
I too was a bit confused about the whole David sociopath angle. Seriously. If I were ever to go into space, I would destroy/eject any android that is with me. Sorry Data, it's the off switch for you.

www.wired.com
 
2012-10-06 10:03:35 PM
Honest Trailer.

This about sums it up for me.
 
2012-10-06 10:08:29 PM

PsyLord: I too was a bit confused about the whole David sociopath angle. Seriously. If I were ever to go into space, I would destroy/eject any android that is with me. Sorry Data, it's the off switch for you.


Yeah the ones in the Aien films are either psychos, corporate spies or benevolent but creepy (Bishop).
 
2012-10-06 10:14:49 PM
Too bad the creators on the first ship didnt warn any of the other dozen ships. They could have prevented the exact same outbreak from happening on each one.
 
2012-10-06 10:20:28 PM
It was dumb. The characters were dumb, the plot was dumb, but the special effects were ok. Oh, i'm going to kick some crewmen asses and escape being put into hibernation, but then I'm going to just walk into a room with more crewmen that ought to be after me, but every thing is fine.
 
2012-10-06 10:22:06 PM
I think the problem here is the attempt at complexity.

The Original alien movie plot was about as simple as it gets. Space ship crew runs across an alien, alien eats cast one by one.
Part two upped the ante by throwing a military force at more aliens, and we see the cast get eaten one by one.
Part three and four farked up the basic principle of simplicity. Then in came the prequel to do everything that absolutely shouldn't have been done on the alien movie franchise. They tried to make a highlights reel based on all the story fodder the audience never read.

People were expecting a return to the first movies simplicity. Instead the creators tried to pawn off some convoluted and interpretive plot ripped from a French crying clown movie about Gods ultimate plan for mankind,
I don't think there's anything wrong with the audience. They just sat down to something that probably would have done better if it was never branded as an aliens movie.
 
2012-10-06 10:32:43 PM
 
2012-10-06 10:35:08 PM
When it was going to be a full on Alien prequel, it was a solid story. When Ridley decided to make it not a prequel and then at the last moment half arse stick his toe in, it went all to hell. The lesson from Prometheus and Lost is don't let Damon Lindelof within a mile of any story you value.
 
2012-10-06 10:38:01 PM
The overall philosophical question was legit, and they had some good pieces to explore that question. What if we met God, our creator/creators? What would we ask? What if He doesn't like us very much, and tries to rip our heads off? David the android lives w/ that every day. They had a great, amazing set up, superb set design, effects, and great use of the 3D cameras. Then they stuck in some of the dumbest characters in sci-fi history, ostensibly scientists/engineers, some incomprehensible set pieces, and ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. They were on the cusp of greatness, and they farked it up. Oh, and they gave away one of the most climatic and important scenes in the whole movie in the farking TV commercials, some of them for Coors farking Lite.

But the outline, the purpose of the film were solid. They just screwed up too much of the execution.
 
2012-10-06 10:48:09 PM

Trocadero: The overall philosophical question was legit, and they had some good pieces to explore that question. What if we met God, our creator/creators? What would we ask?


"So... about Hell. What the fark, Man?"
 
2012-10-06 10:49:58 PM

Trocadero: The overall philosophical question was legit, and they had some good pieces to explore that question. What if we met God, our creator/creators? What would we ask? What if He doesn't like us very much, and tries to rip our heads off? David the android lives w/ that every day. They had a great, amazing set up, superb set design, effects, and great use of the 3D cameras. Then they stuck in some of the dumbest characters in sci-fi history, ostensibly scientists/engineers, some incomprehensible set pieces, and ambiguity for ambiguity's sake. They were on the cusp of greatness, and they farked it up. Oh, and they gave away one of the most climatic and important scenes in the whole movie in the farking TV commercials, some of them for Coors farking Lite.

But the outline, the purpose of the film were solid. They just screwed up too much of the execution.


These are my thoughts word for word.
 
2012-10-06 10:58:42 PM

Decillion: What were the plot holes that Chinatown, Die Hard and Pulp Fiction made me not care about?


The German guy being still alive AND being put into a body bag with his gun, so he could rise up at the end to get shot by the cop. Just sayin. It was a very solid movie otherwise.

As for Prometheus. Rarely have I ever so desperately wanted my time back after seeing a movie. It's like the direction and the writing was "let's put the characters in a situation and then make them do exactly the opposite of what any semi-reasonable, semi-rational person would do in that situation." I can't count the number of times I had to choke down shouting "are you farking kidding me?!?!" at the screen. It was a dumb movie, and it made me feel dumber having watched it.
 
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