qualtrough: I went to an overseas British boarding school run on stern lines. For the slightest infraction students were given black marks. Accumulate 3 and you had 3 punishment laps. That is what they were called, as they were intended as punishment. The course was up and down hills, through streets, it was exhausting. Typically I had to do 12 laps by Saturday afternoon. It is a testament to my innately poor physique that I did not develop into a great cross-country athlete. Went back for a reunion 3 years ago, all were disappointed to learn that laps had been dropped some time ago. If this trend keeps up there may come a time when geriatrics who grew up under harsher regimes are a match for teenagers.
HBK: If you're talking about this pdf, I really don't see the problem with having a kid run an extra 30 minutes (with breaks) after practice.
bVork: Except for the part where he punished the kid to a far greater degree than players who had actually gotten arrested or assaulted people. And the part where the punishment only ended because the kid walked off the field. And the part where he refused to allow the kid water during the punishment. This wasn't a teaching moment. This was sadism and petty vengeance.
swingerofbirches: You can't make someone run.
MaxSupernova: all the girls told the coaches bye, hugged them and all the things you would do towards a person you like
profplump: The military has stopped using physical training as punishment, and they only deal with adults. They're typically ranked fairly high with respect to pragmatic discipline. You might want to ask them why they don't think it's it's a good idea before you apply the method to children.
profplump: MaxSupernova: all the girls told the coaches bye, hugged them and all the things you would do towards a person you likeThat's exactly what you'd expect from a person that was abused and then manipulated into believing that abuse is a consequence of love.I'm not saying discipline is abuse, but let's not pretend that hugs and social niceties are evidence that abuse has not occurred.
MaxSupernova: Oh geez man.....we're talking about practice not some battered women and children here. A three to five hour weekly "relationship" between coaches and kids in the public vs a family behind closed doors id not even comparable situations.
i upped my meds-up yours: Pragmatic discipline isn't necessarily a benign process.
profplump: MaxSupernova: Oh geez man.....we're talking about practice not some battered women and children here. A three to five hour weekly "relationship" between coaches and kids in the public vs a family behind closed doors id not even comparable situations.How many hours a week does someone have to be abused and manipulated before it counts?Like I said, I'm not arguing that discipline is abuse, but I refuse to believe that social nicety among the participants is evidence that abuse did not take place, which is the argument you're putting forth.
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