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(Huffington Post)   Bill Maher on Obama's debate performance: "It looks like he took my million and spent it all on weed"   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 234
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2012-10-07 10:29:58 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I don't think the debate will turn the outcome of the election (though a repeat in the next 2 possibly could), but the pure amount of spin put on this by fellow Obama supporters is much more disheartening than Obama's performance.


It has been pointed out by quite a few commentators that the Republican party is a cobbled together bunch of single issue voting blocks. There are wealthy folks who want the taxes raised on the middle class, and the destruction of Social Security, to pay for a massive tax cut for themselves. Typical "trickle down" greedsters. There are Right-wing Christian political groups that support socially conservative policies. Some of these are down-right deranged. There are the small government Tea Party folks. And a a diverse group of disaffected old white males.

The only group Obama needed to stand up to in this particular debate were the trickle-down folks. This is the group most closely aligned to actual thinking humans. And, Obama didn't do it. He couldn't bring himself to say, "Social Security is financially sound and it is not going to be eroded under my watch to pay for more tax cuts to the wealthy." Instead, he nodded in agreement with Romney that the program is broke.
 
2012-10-07 11:08:38 AM  
*checks 538* Obama's chance of winning is at 80%. EVERYBODY PANIC!
 
2012-10-07 11:32:24 AM  
IlGreven: I AM CONCERNED. Because I don't want that shiatbag Mitt Romney to win. It would be a disaster for the country. But, the president is farking things up for himself. Royally.

Seriously, dude? One debate has you crying gloom and doom?

...You and people like you (including Maher) are doing more to drive people to Romney (or to stay home) than Obama's performance in the debate did.



I've got him farkied as "concern troll" for any future surprises.

Seriously, any "liberal" who pulls that kind of crying game about one debate?

Needs a slap.
 
2012-10-07 11:33:19 AM  
Ooh "nested strong/b tags."

Just the thing for breakfast.
 
2012-10-07 11:37:38 AM  

Delay: skinink: Romney could be declared the winner of the next two debates, but if you are familiar with the few policies and facts he's revealed outside of debates, why would someone switch their votes? I admit Romney did look better than Obama in the debate, but Romney's facts were weak.

I watched as much of the debate as I could stand. If the current national tracking polls are an indication, and I have good understanding of their importance, Romney did not win the debate, Obama behaved weak. Obama lost voter confidence.

Nate Silver recently had Romney in the "Now Cast" at 2% and Obama at 98%. After the debate, Obama is in free fall. All the national polls except one still contain some predebate interviews meaning that they may underestimate Obama's damage.

Voters switched. The reason was Obama did not look like the man they would choose to stand up to other countries, and frankly, he did not look like the man they would choose to stand up to the worst nut jobs of the Republican party.


Yeah Romney doubled his chances in the nowcast since Wednesday from less than four percent to eight percent.

That's like scoring a touchdown down 49-0 and making it 49-7 with three minutes left in the 4th quarter.
 
2012-10-07 11:54:26 AM  
Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 47%

Link

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2012-10-07 12:11:37 PM  

Triumph: Bil Maher has a lot of nerve giving a million bucks to a politician and then proceeding to call anybody else stupid.

 
2012-10-07 12:17:21 PM  

eraser8: whidbey: eraser8: I AM CONCERNED. Because I don't want that shiatbag Mitt Romney to win. It would be a disaster for the country. But, the president is farking things up for himself. Royally.

I'm really not getting this. Specific examples, please.

Wednesday, October 3, 2012.


Oh no, he threw a single debate! Everybody start the hand-wringing!
 
2012-10-07 12:20:31 PM  

eraser8: whidbey: No, right now, you're working for the Republican party.

I am absolutely retarded and losing this "debate."

Please mock me, mercilessly.

 
2012-10-07 12:26:13 PM  

eraser8: If you believe the president's performance wasn't all that bad, that's your right.


You're not even paying attention to what you're arguing. Nobody is saying the president did a stellar job, they're simply stating that one single debate is not enough to blow his advantage. But by all means, continue stamping your little feet and getting pissed off at everybody else for not seeing things your way.

When everybody else holds a different opinion than you, that just means that they're all the stupid ones. Occam's razor, amirite?
 
2012-10-07 12:38:56 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: eraser8: If you believe the president's performance wasn't all that bad, that's your right.

You're not even paying attention to what you're arguing. Nobody is saying the president did a stellar job, they're simply stating that one single debate is not enough to blow his advantage. But by all means, continue stamping your little feet and getting pissed off at everybody else for not seeing things your way.

When everybody else holds a different opinion than you, that just means that they're all the stupid ones. Occam's razor, amirite?


What I don't understand is why an Obama supporter is spending so much time and effort undermining other Obama supporters.
 
2012-10-07 12:42:50 PM  

skykid: That's like scoring a touchdown down 49-0 and making it 49-7 with three minutes left in the 4th quarter.


OK. Let's go with the football analogy. Five Thirty Eight used the same football game analogy, but his score is different than yours. And, Nate Silver backed the percent likelihood analogy with the outcomes of hundreds of NFL football games. He said his analysis showed, prior to the debate, Romney was essentially a touchdown down in the fourth quarter. Not some 49-0 deficit as you post.

Silver also indicated that if something turned in Romney's favor, such as Obama failing to show up to the debate, Romney could prevail. Nobody's hand wringing here, but it's time for Obama to perform. And if he performs as horribly in the next two, as it appears some of the OfA folks posting here believe is acceptable, Obama is going to lose.

Now OfA folks, what do you think he should do to step it up? Continue to agree with Republicans or stand up for the underlying principles of the Democratic party?
 
2012-10-07 01:16:15 PM  

ferretman: Mitt Romney attracting support from 49% of voters nationwide, while President Obama earns the vote from 47%

Link


Was the HAHA guy for you using Rasmussen as a serious indicator?
 
2012-10-07 01:45:06 PM  
Delay: OK. Let's go with the football analogy. Five Thirty Eight used the same football game analogy, but his score is different than yours. And, Nate Silver backed the percent likelihood analogy with the outcomes of hundreds of NFL football games. He said his analysis showed, prior to the debate, Romney was essentially a touchdown down in the fourth quarter. Not some 49-0 deficit as you post.

Dude the guys winning percentage was under 5% that speaks volumes as to how bad the Romney Campaign is where one performance where he didn't crap his pants is suddenly this giant "Gamechanger". And I would expect once the bounce from this poll fades away he's going to end up back where he started thanks to Big Bird and Mr. Welch's crying over the unemployment rate.

Silver also indicated that if something turned in Romney's favor, such as Obama failing to show up to the debate, Romney could prevail. Nobody's hand wringing here, but it's time for Obama to perform. And if he performs as horribly in the next two, as it appears some of the OfA folks posting here believe is acceptable, Obama is going to lose.

Dude John Kerry beat GWB in all three debates in '04 and that election was much closer than this one is now. Second, Obama has a pretty easy path to 270, he has roughly over 240 electoral votes and when looking at the map Romney's paths to victory seem hard to reach. Early voting is already happening in some swing states and that favors Obama very handily, coupled with him having a better GOTV campaign and Romney being a walking gaffe machine.

Even if Romney were somehow able to win the next two debates its too little, too late since he's sunk his campaign a long time ago between 47% and Eastwood Yells At Chair.
 
2012-10-07 02:05:50 PM  

skykid: Even if Romney were somehow able to win the next two debates its too little, too late since he's sunk his campaign a long time ago between 47% and Eastwood Yells At Chair.


Everyone expected President Obama would perform according to his past. These debate statements are previously screened by focus groups and stand ins at length. They are entirely scripted. Here is Obama's:

You know, four years ago I said that I'm not a perfect man and I wouldn't be a perfect president. And that's probably a promise that Governor Romney thinks I've kept.

OfA folks would gain some credibility with me if whoever and whatever focus group came up with that shiat s/he would be publicly shamed and the nation would be promised that that person would NEVER have anything to do with a second Obama administration.
 
2012-10-07 02:08:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Fabric_Man: You ever debated Mitt Romney... ON WEED???

It would be the only way I could be in the same room with Romney and not kill him, honestly.


I want to be facebook friends with, just in case
 
2012-10-07 02:14:39 PM  

skykid: Even if Romney were somehow able to win the next two debates its too little, too late since he's sunk his campaign a long time ago between 47% and Eastwood Yells At Chair.


Does this look like a man who is confident that Romney's campaign is sunk?

i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-10-07 02:16:42 PM  

Triumph: Bil Maher has a lot of nerve giving a million bucks to a politician and then proceeding to call anybody else stupid.

 
2012-10-07 02:39:57 PM  

Delay: skykid: Even if Romney were somehow able to win the next two debates its too little, too late since he's sunk his campaign a long time ago between 47% and Eastwood Yells At Chair.

Does this look like a man who is confident that Romney's campaign is sunk?

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OK FARK Independent keep farking that chicken and believing that it's a "horserace".
 
2012-10-07 02:44:21 PM  
I cannot wrap my head around the fact that the media can, in lockstep, declare him the winner despite the sheer number of lies he told. I mean, they don't even mention it.

Lying about the other candidate is a mainstay, lying about your own positions is absolutely incredible.
 
2012-10-07 02:53:18 PM  

novalord2: I cannot wrap my head around the fact that the media can, in lockstep, declare him the winner despite the sheer number of lies he told. I mean, they don't even mention it.

Lying about the other candidate is a mainstay, lying about your own positions is absolutely incredible.


Like I said the media has to pretend Romney has a chance in order to make this last month interesting. Can't sell ads without a "horserace" narrative.
 
2012-10-07 04:24:22 PM  

Triumph: Bil Maher has a lot of nerve giving a million bucks to a politician and then proceeding to call anybody else stupid.


How else will he validate his bitter, misogynist, holier-than-EVERYbody lifestyle?
 
2012-10-07 08:07:02 PM  

eraser8: he's overseen a moribund economy because he refused to implement the kind of stimulus that would have been effective.


With a democratic senate, house and white house with a commerce-clause friendly court, what stimulus wasn't passed?

If it worked - it would be working. We've bailed out banks, auto companies and created works projects. The Stimulus was only supposed to prevent bread lines, not be a long term economic engine. Obama himself admitted that they wasted money on shovel ready jobs. Jobs come from private capital and investment. Not from government creating money out of thin air. If you think Obama's a center-right politician on fiscal issues, you're a moron. Socially, yes...He's still anti-weed and for all but 6 months of his political career, against gay marriage.

There's nothing center-right about a guy who believes that no individual can succeed unless there's collective salvation.
 
2012-10-07 08:26:20 PM  

o5iiawah: eraser8: he's overseen a moribund economy because he refused to implement the kind of stimulus that would have been effective.

With a democratic senate, house and white house with a commerce-clause friendly court, what stimulus wasn't passed?

If it worked - it would be working.


1. The bailout was Bush, not Obama.
2. Proof that the stimulus worked is the fact that we are not all eating beans out of a tin can and walking around with hobo sacks.

By every quantitative and qualitative measure at the end of Bush's term/beginning of Obama's we were headed toward great depression 2. The fact that we staggered through with just a sluggish recovery is a testament to the fact that the bailout/stimulus did work. Note: this came with a lot of undesirable downsides such as the moral hazard of bailing out the jackholes who got us into this mess in the first place. But to get angry that the guy who inflated the life raft didn't pick you up in a yacht instead is pretty silly.
 
2012-10-07 08:45:44 PM  
I don't see why this debate outcome was surprising. We saw the real Romney and the real Obama.
 
2012-10-07 08:54:31 PM  
1/10

Not bad but too late
 
2012-10-08 01:35:51 AM  
Obama Is a Master Debater.
 
2012-10-08 02:16:39 AM  

jjorsett: Girl From The North Country: This is one of many ways Dems are different then Repubs. They will actually call out the crap their candidates do rather than try to rewrite the facts.

Then I look forward to the outcry saying, "Why did you waste your political capital pushing thru a massively unpopular health care bill instead of working on the economy?"



Since health care is one of the costliest sectors of spending, how is that not "working on the economy?"

You are the prototypical tea bagger
 
2012-10-08 02:20:02 AM  

Delay: skinink: Romney could be declared the winner of the next two debates, but if you are familiar with the few policies and facts he's revealed outside of debates, why would someone switch their votes? I admit Romney did look better than Obama in the debate, but Romney's facts were weak.

I watched as much of the debate as I could stand. If the current national tracking polls are an indication, and I have good understanding of their importance, Romney did not win the debate, Obama behaved weak. Obama lost voter confidence.

Nate Silver recently had Romney in the "Now Cast" at 2% and Obama at 98%. After the debate, Obama is in free fall. All the national polls except one still contain some predebate interviews meaning that they may underestimate Obama's damage.

Voters switched. The reason was Obama did not look like the man they would choose to stand up to other countries, and frankly, he did not look like the man they would choose to stand up to the worst nut jobs of the Republican party.


free fall?

You people are high

Obama still has a 76% chance of winning the electoral college, down from a little over 80

OH NO IT'S A FREE FALL
 
2012-10-08 02:22:50 AM  

o5iiawah: There's nothing center-right about a guy who believes that no individual can succeed unless there's collective salvation.



Economic Darwinists like you have pulled the party so far to the right, everyone else looks like a filthy Communist
 
2012-10-08 02:53:07 AM  

Girl From The North Country: This is one of many ways Dems are different then Repubs. They will actually call out the crap their candidates do rather than try to rewrite the facts.


This is one of the many times that people falsely assume Bill Maher is a Democrat.

He's a libertarian. Kinda fits with his being an adolescent know-it-all dick.
 
2012-10-08 05:56:38 AM  

intelligent comment below:

Economic Darwinists like you have pulled the party so far to the right, everyone else looks like a filthy Communist


Please don't sully Darwin's decent name with scum he would have despised..
 
2012-10-08 10:03:34 AM  

IlGreven: I'm gonna give this ti Bill or any other guy who's already voting for Obama who's still gnashing their teeth over the debate, and wailing for all to see:

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This is a funny reference given that Jon Stewart also wailed and gnashed his teeth over it.
 
2012-10-08 05:13:27 PM  

intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: There's nothing center-right about a guy who believes that no individual can succeed unless there's collective salvation.


Economic Darwinists like you have pulled the party so far to the right, everyone else looks like a filthy Communist


Those are Obama's own words. I havent "pulled the party" anywhere.
 
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