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(InformationWeek)   Microsoft has forgotten a key component when it comes to Windows 8: consumers   (informationweek.com) divider line 52
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2012-10-06 03:36:43 PM
Start8 solved all my probs with it. Although it isnt free ($5), it was worth the money for me. There are free alternatives out there but IMO, so far Start8 is the best one.

I am still keeping my eyes open for Classic Shell. It has a lot of potential.
 
2012-10-06 03:56:43 PM
It works for me and the way I've always used Windows, but I've never been able to comprehend the way norms use a computer. Are the people that are/will be having the hardest time adjusting still on XP?

I'm in the Desktop view 99% of the time on my desktop PC, and in Metro view 99% of the time on my tablet.
 
2012-10-06 04:49:26 PM
My advice: buy a couple Win7 OEM's before Win8 comes out, especially if you like to build your own systems. Maybe even buy a couple more to sell to friends or on ebay when normal people start freaking over how weird and unusable win8 is.
 
2012-10-06 05:04:39 PM
Microsoft's had a real problem over the last few years of ignoring consumers entirely and just continuing to produce products, whether anyone needs them or not.

No one's asking for Windows 8, just like no one's been asking for a Windows Phone. There's no demand for either, and Microsoft has been absolutely terrible at communicating how these platforms benefit consumers. They're so used to just saying the name of their product and having people talk about it that they've forgotten that the first rule of marketing is to communicate what problem you're solving.

I still know plenty of small business users AND mid-size corporations who are using Windows XP or, God help us, Vista. Windows 7 was great, but only really necessary if you wanted a decent 64-bit OS or advanced features for software. For Office 2007 (most business users have yet to upgrade to 2010, and some are still running 2003!), XP runs just fine.

Honestly, the only reason to have bleeding-edge software is for games, and after the debacle of the "Games For Windows" platform, Microsoft has ruined their chances of being able to control that market. No games are going to require Windows 8 because the user adoption rate will be so low.

That Xbox is still a valuable brand is an anomaly that says a lot more about how hands-off MS was than how right on the brand was. (And honestly, if it weren't for how badly Sony botched the PS3 launch and gave MS a head start with the Xbox 360, we'd be comparing that brand to the Zune right now.)
 
2012-10-06 05:19:19 PM
My biggest annoyance with Microsoft is that it wants to be something more than the operating system and some basic applications like Office and Excel. They make a good, reasonably solid product with Windows but that's all I want from them. Everything else they make is adequate at best but they insist on trying to lock you into their products whether you want it or not.

They want to be Apple but if I wanted that kind of product I'd just buy Apple.
 
2012-10-06 05:23:24 PM
The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.
 
2012-10-06 05:31:02 PM

SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.


I'm still trying to figure out who the audience for Windows 8 is. All three people who use tablets that aren't iPads, I guess.
 
2012-10-06 05:33:30 PM

FuturePastNow: SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.

I'm still trying to figure out who the audience for Windows 8 is. All three people who use tablets that aren't iPads, I guess.


This is a good question. Microsoft is taking a HUGE risk rewriting everything about their interface design. People dont like change, that is why you introduce it SLOWLY over time. Metro was forced upon us with absolutely no real transition. This will bite Microsoft in the ass
 
2012-10-06 05:37:47 PM

FuturePastNow: SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.

I'm still trying to figure out who the audience for Windows 8 is. All three people who use tablets that aren't iPads, I guess.


There's a part of me that says Ballmer thinks his company has a reliable consumer base that's as rabid for anything they sell as Apple's.
 
2012-10-06 05:44:19 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: FuturePastNow: SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.

I'm still trying to figure out who the audience for Windows 8 is. All three people who use tablets that aren't iPads, I guess.

There's a part of me that says Ballmer thinks his company has a reliable consumer base that's as rabid for anything they sell as Apple's.


Actually, I think Ballmer and the MS board have looked at Apple's app stores and said to each other "We could get 30% of every Windows software sale!" without understanding exactly how few Windows users are going to use a Microsoft app store.
 
2012-10-06 05:48:56 PM
If they make a tablet PC with a pressure sensitive stylus for under $900 I'll buy a Win8 device in a heartbeat.
 
2012-10-06 05:49:36 PM

SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.


Annoyingly, the head of our technology division (in an SME) thinks we are....and keeps talking about windows phone, and surface tablets for our consulting guys next year...personally i'm happy supporting their iPhones and Win 7 machines running Dynamics in the cloud and with Office 365.

...For some reason he doesn't quite get that his technology division has nearly put the company on the skids twice now, and we really don't have that kind of money...

Luckily for me, I 'accidentally demoed' Windows 8 to a few key people like the Finance Director and a couple of consultants, unsurprisingly they were very 'What the fark is this, this is shiat'
 
2012-10-06 06:04:58 PM

Satosuke: My advice: buy a couple Win7 OEM's before Win8 comes out, especially if you like to build your own systems. Maybe even buy a couple more to sell to friends or on ebay when normal people start freaking over how weird and unusable win8 is.


Use Linux
 
2012-10-06 06:19:15 PM
Special depression/recession version of Windoze 8 comes with a dollar bill.
 
2012-10-06 06:29:41 PM
Use Linux

you're joking right?


XP for me
 
2012-10-06 06:39:06 PM
I fully believe I can continue to conduct business without Windows 8. I have realized I could have done without 7 or Vista either.
 
2012-10-06 06:42:09 PM
I'm going Windows 8 and I'll just pay the $5 for Start8 (thanks cman). Why? Because my old PC is currently on Vista and from what I've read, the upgrade price is going to be £25, and it outperforms Windows 7.
 
2012-10-06 07:11:16 PM

sirrerun: Satosuke: My advice: buy a couple Win7 OEM's before Win8 comes out, especially if you like to build your own systems. Maybe even buy a couple more to sell to friends or on ebay when normal people start freaking over how weird and unusable win8 is.

Use Linux


That might be viable once Steam and its games are fully Linux compatible; it's coming slowly but not quite there yet. And don't WINE to me about that fact.

/CSB - Actually put Lubuntu on a friend's old-ass laptop; now it's useful again.
 
2012-10-06 07:17:16 PM
I upgraded a Win7 system to Win8 and it has locked up solid, every single day since the upgrade. Sometime simply while browsing the web or typing in a Fark comment - it locked up mid-sentence once.

Windows 8 stinks.
 
2012-10-06 07:41:27 PM
An SMB is unlikely to decide 'Windows 7 is no longer good enough, I must have Windows 8!

andrewkitakis.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-06 07:42:30 PM

SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.


I interviewed with Microsoft in 1997 and they wanted me to tell them how to convince small business owners to upgrade from Windows 95 to Windows NT, and I told them that for most small businesses, they had been struggling with BSDs on Windows 3.1 and now have Windows 95 basically working it would be hard to sell upgrades, but they could sell new computers with NT.

I didn't get the job.

Anyway, one feature of W8 on some platforms is a much faster boot time. If I knew that worked well on legacy desktop W7 systems, I might upgrade.

Shutdown is also an issue. I have no idea why, but it takes my W7 machines at least five minutes, if not more, to shutdown. It's the damndest thing I've seen, a Windows screen telling me how patient it is trying to log off and shutdown when it's not connected to any Windows domain bullshiat or anything other than a router and using the most generic of TCP protocols, that is 99% http.
 
2012-10-06 09:39:43 PM
been running the various previews of windows 8 for a few months.
it is smooth and quick and very comparable to windows 7, which it is built on.
the bad? that would be that stupid tablet motherfarking interface being the default.
and the pain in the asssss magic corners that make it more clicks to get to the internal pages of the operating system.
people have said that they would love a choice of which version(desktop or tablet) to use, during install.
i uninstall/delete all the stupid metro app shortcuts, to get rid of any of them trying to call home to windows for statistics on their use.

to avoid bsod, do not do an upgrade install. Always do a clean install. $50 bucks more is worth it to avoid conflicts in the code.

/Windows OS as an oem, at $100, available online. without all that shiatttt that computers companies put in the install.
//and can be transfered to another machine(you may have to call into the automated line for reauthorization) if the one its on melts down again after that error in somethingsomething. 

windows 8 release preview expires around march 2013: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/iso
there is also a 3 month time limit enterprise version which is no different.

Linux is my backup OS. Not 100% compatible with some stuff that I need windows for.
 
2012-10-06 09:51:54 PM
This still won't stop me from getting a Surface Pro and a Nokia L920
 
2012-10-06 09:55:44 PM

RoyBatty: SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.

I interviewed with Microsoft in 1997 and they wanted me to tell them how to convince small business owners to upgrade from Windows 95 to Windows NT, and I told them that for most small businesses, they had been struggling with BSDs on Windows 3.1 and now have Windows 95 basically working it would be hard to sell upgrades, but they could sell new computers with NT.

I didn't get the job.

Anyway, one feature of W8 on some platforms is a much faster boot time. If I knew that worked well on legacy desktop W7 systems, I might upgrade.

Shutdown is also an issue. I have no idea why, but it takes my W7 machines at least five minutes, if not more, to shutdown. It's the damndest thing I've seen, a Windows screen telling me how patient it is trying to log off and shutdown when it's not connected to any Windows domain bullshiat or anything other than a router and using the most generic of TCP protocols, that is 99% http.


With an SSD drive as the boot drive, my Win7 machine takes a couple of seconds to boot. Most computers these days are IO bound.
 
2012-10-06 10:09:02 PM

RoyBatty: Shutdown is also an issue. I have no idea why, but it takes my W7 machines at least five minutes, if not more, to shutdown. It's the damndest thing I've seen, a Windows screen telling me how patient it is trying to log off and shutdown when it's not connected to any Windows domain bullshiat or anything other than a router and using the most generic of TCP protocols, that is 99% http.


Inevitably this is due to some service waiting for something that'll never happen and eventually reaching its timeout before defaulting out of whatever it's been tasked with doing. If you're genuinely curious about resolving this then a trick I use is to get into the msconfig utility (just type that at the start->search and it'll find it) go to the services tab, check off the 'hide all MS services' and disable every 3rd party one and reboot. Now the first time it'll likely have no effect but if you do it again and magically your system boots and shuts down at speeds you're expecting you know its one of those guys and you can re-enable them a few at a time (again through msconfig) until you've found the culprit. Same goes for the entries in the startup tab.

Win8 is still of course better tooled to boot faster (they're just playing tricks with the services again, they did this back with NT4 where some those and more of your startup items would only turn on once you've logged in rather then while the system boots...and its going to similarly end in the same instability issues because of that I'm betting.
 
2012-10-06 10:36:27 PM

BumpInTheNight: RoyBatty: Shutdown is also an issue. I have no idea why, but it takes my W7 machines at least five minutes, if not more, to shutdown. It's the damndest thing I've seen, a Windows screen telling me how patient it is trying to log off and shutdown when it's not connected to any Windows domain bullshiat or anything other than a router and using the most generic of TCP protocols, that is 99% http.

Inevitably this is due to some service waiting for something that'll never happen and eventually reaching its timeout before defaulting out of whatever it's been tasked with doing. If you're genuinely curious about resolving this then a trick I use is to get into the msconfig utility (just type that at the start->search and it'll find it) go to the services tab, check off the 'hide all MS services' and disable every 3rd party one and reboot. Now the first time it'll likely have no effect but if you do it again and magically your system boots and shuts down at speeds you're expecting you know its one of those guys and you can re-enable them a few at a time (again through msconfig) until you've found the culprit. Same goes for the entries in the startup tab.

Win8 is still of course better tooled to boot faster (they're just playing tricks with the services again, they did this back with NT4 where some those and more of your startup items would only turn on once you've logged in rather then while the system boots...and its going to similarly end in the same instability issues because of that I'm betting.


I've never been happy with the hit or miss debugging the boot up / shut down crap of windows, and of all the things I am pissed with microsoft over the years is they haven't made it much easier and transparent to figure out what is going on.

In NT times and plus long shutdowns were often associated with domain / master nonsense and it didn't get better even if your NT machine wasn't on a domain!

But there should be some easy way to say, "now, right now, what are you waiting on?"

With regards to services, the other annoying thing Microsoft has never done is learned how to precompute and cache menus and other things like that during idle times. When I click right on the most popular file types, Windows should never require any time to compute those menus at that time, all that crap should've been precomputed during idle time.

I have several year old consumer desktop and farking gigabytes of memory. Precompute your goddamned menus!

Rant over.
 
2012-10-06 10:37:31 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: With an SSD drive as the boot drive, my Win7 machine takes a couple of seconds to boot. Most computers these days are IO bound.


So I know I can't expect a couple of seconds on my rotating hard drive based machines, but what can I expect? 15 seconds? 30 seconds? 10 minutes for the system to boot up and settle down like it is now?
 
2012-10-06 10:41:28 PM

RoyBatty: Tyrone Slothrop: With an SSD drive as the boot drive, my Win7 machine takes a couple of seconds to boot. Most computers these days are IO bound.

So I know I can't expect a couple of seconds on my rotating hard drive based machines, but what can I expect? 15 seconds? 30 seconds? 10 minutes for the system to boot up and settle down like it is now?


Basically does quick boot up require: SSD, but also new bios, newer sorts of hardware?

And does Windows 8 with a reasonable amount of crap on it after a year or two still take 10 minutes to boot up?

As a developer that does a lot of work in VMs, I suspect I have less services booting up than most consumers.
 
2012-10-06 10:45:12 PM
Only slightly on topic.

I am looking to replace my 6 year old gaming laptop/desktop replacement before I get stuck with windows 8, but I have been out of the hardware loop for so long that I don't really know what to look for anymore.

Any suggestions in the $1,500-$2,000 range? I'd prefer a 15" screen, and I'm on the Steam Sale gaming plan (I am usually about a year behind on games). I don't need bleeding edge, but I want good enough to last another 4-5 years or so. What do I need, what don't I need?
 
2012-10-06 10:54:59 PM

RogermcAllen: Only slightly on topic.

I am looking to replace my 6 year old gaming laptop/desktop replacement before I get stuck with windows 8, but I have been out of the hardware loop for so long that I don't really know what to look for anymore.

Any suggestions in the $1,500-$2,000 range? I'd prefer a 15" screen, and I'm on the Steam Sale gaming plan (I am usually about a year behind on games). I don't need bleeding edge, but I want good enough to last another 4-5 years or so. What do I need, what don't I need?


MacBook pro. Seriously. Many think that the Apple tax is unfair, and they are mostly right. But, at th same time, apple doesn't cheap out on their shiat. When you are buying Apple, it is a bit more money out of your pocket, but you are getting higher quality
 
2012-10-06 10:56:16 PM
When I go to the Apple Genius Bar, how much should I tip? I'm from Europe and I'm not to used to tipping, but I was told in America I need to tip.
 
2012-10-06 11:28:41 PM

RogermcAllen:
Any suggestions in the $1,500-$2,000 range? I'd prefer a 15" screen, and I'm on the Steam Sale gaming plan (I am usually about a year behind on games). I don't need bleeding edge, but I want good enough to last another 4-5 years or so. What do I need, what don't I need?


I got the 15 inch HP Envy about 6 months ago or so, and i've been quite happy with it. Dedicated (switchable) graphics card, adequate battery life, quad-core processor.
 
2012-10-06 11:32:59 PM

RoyBatty: When I go to the Apple Genius Bar, how much should I tip? I'm from Europe and I'm not to used to tipping, but I was told in America I need to tip.


90% is customary
 
2012-10-06 11:42:57 PM
Microsoft has been telling us what we can have instead of asking us what we want for a long time now, and they have gotten away with it because Mac is the only viable alternative to Windows, Macs cost a mint, and are a lousy gaming platform.
 
2012-10-06 11:47:34 PM

cman: RogermcAllen: Only slightly on topic.

I am looking to replace my 6 year old gaming laptop/desktop replacement before I get stuck with windows 8, but I have been out of the hardware loop for so long that I don't really know what to look for anymore.

Any suggestions in the $1,500-$2,000 range? I'd prefer a 15" screen, and I'm on the Steam Sale gaming plan (I am usually about a year behind on games). I don't need bleeding edge, but I want good enough to last another 4-5 years or so. What do I need, what don't I need?

MacBook pro. Seriously. Many think that the Apple tax is unfair, and they are mostly right. But, at th same time, apple doesn't cheap out on their shiat. When you are buying Apple, it is a bit more money out of your pocket, but you are getting higher quality


Except for yellow screens, flaming graphics cards and ac adapters, yep their hardware is great. It is the exact same hardware in PCs for the most part. Yes, you can get a crap PC, but if I am paying $2000+ for my system I don't expect ANY issues such as have been experienced by Apple users. Plus Apple denying there is a problem and letting people stew for months until they finally admit there is a problem.
 
2012-10-06 11:49:11 PM

RoyBatty: Tyrone Slothrop: With an SSD drive as the boot drive, my Win7 machine takes a couple of seconds to boot. Most computers these days are IO bound.

So I know I can't expect a couple of seconds on my rotating hard drive based machines, but what can I expect? 15 seconds? 30 seconds? 10 minutes for the system to boot up and settle down like it is now?


I have an HP with Win7 that takes less than a minute to boot up with no SSD.
 
2012-10-07 12:34:51 AM

sirrerun: Satosuke: My advice: buy a couple Win7 OEM's before Win8 comes out, especially if you like to build your own systems. Maybe even buy a couple more to sell to friends or on ebay when normal people start freaking over how weird and unusable win8 is.

Use Linux


I personally intend to, when Vista is no longer supported. I've demoed 8 on a former XP machine and I was not thrilled.

Less so when 1: My boss at the computer repair shop laughed all five minutes it took me to find the desktop,and 2: When he kept laughing for five minutes when I attempted to shut down the computer. He eventually showed me it only goes into sleep mode.

I had a hell of a time with task manager and trying to close out the windows without TM. I don't know about MS, but my computers do not have unlimited memory.

We're already stocking up on 7 OEMs, and we've sent a thank you letter stating that due to their idiocy, we'll be getting great bussiness in our classes and downgrade installs in the future.

Only one person we showed the demo to to about a dozen people liked it, he's a hardcore gamer, the ones who didn't? Casual users and bussiness owners. The bussiness owners however were very vocal about their dislike.

MS has succeeded in alienating their consumer base.
 
2012-10-07 07:05:22 AM

RogermcAllen: Any suggestions in the $1,500-$2,000 range? I'd prefer a 15" screen, and I'm on the Steam Sale gaming plan (I am usually about a year behind on games). I don't need bleeding edge, but I want good enough to last another 4-5 years or so. What do I need, what don't I need?


I'm not sure what they're like graphically, but I'd generally opt for a T series Thinkpad with that budget. Seriously well made machines.
 
2012-10-07 09:30:14 AM
I think the patterns is that we will find 1 out of every 2 MS operating systems desirable.

Skip on Windows 8, wait for Windows 9.
 
2012-10-07 09:55:53 AM
This just in....Windows 8 was designed for tablets and mobile devices.
 
2012-10-07 10:21:54 AM

sirrerun: Satosuke: My advice: buy a couple Win7 OEM's before Win8 comes out, especially if you like to build your own systems. Maybe even buy a couple more to sell to friends or on ebay when normal people start freaking over how weird and unusable win8 is.

Use Linux


Mint with Cinnamon desktop FTW.

/what a slick, friendly OS it is, without Ubuntu's lousy Unity user interface.
 
2012-10-07 12:10:10 PM

Satosuke: My advice: buy a couple Win7 OEM's before Win8 comes out, especially if you like to build your own systems. Maybe even buy a couple more to sell to friends or on ebay when normal people start freaking over how weird and unusable win8 is.


I was excoriated a month ago on here for saying something similar, because downgrade rights licensing blah blah blah. Yeah, for a few hundred bucks it's nice to have the licenses just sitting there if you need them. I could see MS dicking with the downgrades to try to spur adoption of W8.
 
2012-10-07 12:46:49 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: This just in....Windows 8 was designed for tablets and mobile devices.


This just in, nobody wants a shiatty windows tablet...oh brilliant you mean i can remove all the simple just go and browse the inter web feature without having to worry about viruses

Genuinely...i've yet to meet anyone *Actually* excited about win 8 and surface.
 
2012-10-07 01:44:01 PM

FuturePastNow: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: FuturePastNow: SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.

I'm still trying to figure out who the audience for Windows 8 is. All three people who use tablets that aren't iPads, I guess.

There's a part of me that says Ballmer thinks his company has a reliable consumer base that's as rabid for anything they sell as Apple's.

Actually, I think Ballmer and the MS board have looked at Apple's app stores and said to each other "We could get 30% of every Windows software sale!" without understanding exactly how few Windows users are going to use a Microsoft app store.


I'm shocked that MS hasn't locked up Win8 as solidly as Apple has iOS to make side-loading, at minimum, difficult
and non-obvious.
 
2012-10-07 01:52:49 PM

wildcardjack: If they make a tablet PC with a pressure sensitive stylus for under $900 I'll buy a Win8 device in a heartbeat.


My Asus does ths, and cost quite a bit less than $900
Link
 
2012-10-07 02:35:28 PM

DjangoStonereaver: FuturePastNow: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: FuturePastNow: SkunkWerks: The author seems to think small businesses are the audience for bleeding edge Microsoft products.

lulz.

I'm still trying to figure out who the audience for Windows 8 is. All three people who use tablets that aren't iPads, I guess.

There's a part of me that says Ballmer thinks his company has a reliable consumer base that's as rabid for anything they sell as Apple's.

Actually, I think Ballmer and the MS board have looked at Apple's app stores and said to each other "We could get 30% of every Windows software sale!" without understanding exactly how few Windows users are going to use a Microsoft app store.

I'm shocked that MS hasn't locked up Win8 as solidly as Apple has iOS to make side-loading, at minimum, difficult
and non-obvious.


Baby steps. I am certain Windows 9 will move further in the direction you describe.
 
2012-10-07 03:23:09 PM

AlanSmithee: wildcardjack: If they make a tablet PC with a pressure sensitive stylus for under $900 I'll buy a Win8 device in a heartbeat.

My Asus does ths, and cost quite a bit less than $900
Link


I had one of those. Its not pressure sensitive. It's a contact stylus, on/off. Think Wacom Cintiq with 2048 pressure levels. I gave it to a neighbor who didn't have a computer because that 91MT had less functionality for me than the Asus fondleslab I got a while later.
 
2012-10-07 04:26:04 PM
Unfortunately, this is a huge part of the reason Windows produces crap like Vista and ME - they don't let their development cycles cool. If the product doesn't work, people don't want it; if it does, they don't want to upgrade it. They're terrible at finding that middle ground. Win7 could easily be a five-year device, but just because they're making software, they have to obsess on the new. And they have to make the new sufficiently different from the old to get people to buy it.

For me, a heavy Internet user, Win7 has been a virus vacuum no matter how many layers of security I drape over it. My laptop runs Ubuntu, so I decided to see how many Windows programs I could get to run in Linux. I hear you groaning already, and I understand that, completely. Not everyone's idea of fun is spending $100 on a graphics accelerator and trying to figure out why Portal won't run on Steam through WINE. Linux users make like they're some superior life-form when they're actually jogging sweatily along behind the bandwagon, tossing out poorly-conceived ripoffs of existing Windows programs or tinkering with compatibility layers that will just let Linux run Windows programs anyway.
 
2012-10-07 04:37:51 PM

wildcardjack: AlanSmithee: wildcardjack: If they make a tablet PC with a pressure sensitive stylus for under $900 I'll buy a Win8 device in a heartbeat.

My Asus does ths, and cost quite a bit less than $900
Link

I had one of those. Its not pressure sensitive. It's a contact stylus, on/off. Think Wacom Cintiq with 2048 pressure levels. I gave it to a neighbor who didn't have a computer because that 91MT had less functionality for me than the Asus fondleslab I got a while later.


Depends on the model --sorry, I posted the wrong link. It's the t101MT --256 levels of touch. Dunno if that's sufficient for you

Link
 
2012-10-07 06:01:28 PM

sheep snorter: to avoid bsod, do not do an upgrade install. Always do a clean install. $50 bucks more is worth it to avoid conflicts in the code.


This is Microsoft's problem - or perhaps a problem with 'activating' software in general. I have hundreds of dollars of other legal software installed on the system I upgraded in place, including a full MS Office suite. I would lose that software if I just tried to reinstall it on a clean system.

The other reason I upgraded was to emphasize how horrible Metro is at handling upgrades. If you install a new application in Win8, you should get Metro icons for them. Why don't I have a Metro icon for every single shortcut in my Start menu. That would be horrible and unusable, but it would be better than not having anything.

Microsoft clearly didn't test upgrades on existing systems. They tout the number of the preview versions downloaded, failing to realize that like me, most people tried it for 15 minutes, thought it was crap, and went back to a version of Windows with a Start menu.
 
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