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(Irish Post)   Friends of London's Cock Tavern fight to keep pub erect in face of redevelopment, feel gentrifiers don't respect them   (irishpost.co.uk) divider line 12
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2012-10-06 12:49:46 PM
I generally sigh at the anti-gentrification crowd, because they're often more smug and unrealistic as the ones doing the gentrification (and I lived in Chicago, which when I was there was gentrification central... neighborhoods changed by the friggin month it seemed).
 
But come on, respect parts of the local culture that aren't causing you any harm. 
 
Do I want a housing project next door?  No.  But thats because its been fairly well proven that they breed crime (not a racial argument... its more about how our society treats the lower class, and sometimes simple stuff like cops just don't patrol them.)
 
But a dive bar?  Please.  That's a beautiful thing to have nearby.
 
2012-10-06 01:02:27 PM

haha

BALLS
 
2012-10-06 03:05:13 PM
It is that very rare thing - a genuine community pub. We can't allow faceless offshore developers to take away a vital community resource just so they can make millions through property development."

The problem with capitalism is we don't value culture, never have and never will.

RMoney would approve of this transaction.

The f--ker did these deals himself.
 
2012-10-06 03:16:41 PM

Generation_D: It is that very rare thing - a genuine community pub. We can't allow faceless offshore developers to take away a vital community resource just so they can make millions through property development."

The problem with capitalism is we don't value culture, never have and never will.

RMoney would approve of this transaction.

The f--ker did these deals himself.


Depends.  I know here in New Orleans we deeply value both culture and history.  Now we do have our permitting battles (there's been a crack down on live music, but those in favor are winning that fight now.)  All in all, most neighborhoods have old dive bars that serve sort-of as a neighborhood livingroom.  And, no, no one is going to be able to get rid of them no matter how gentrified a neighborhood becomes.
 
 
2012-10-06 03:19:30 PM

downstairs: Generation_D: It is that very rare thing - a genuine community pub. We can't allow faceless offshore developers to take away a vital community resource just so they can make millions through property development."

The problem with capitalism is we don't value culture, never have and never will.

RMoney would approve of this transaction.

The f--ker did these deals himself.

Depends.  I know here in New Orleans we deeply value both culture and history.  Now we do have our permitting battles (there's been a crack down on live music, but those in favor are winning that fight now.)  All in all, most neighborhoods have old dive bars that serve sort-of as a neighborhood livingroom.  And, no, no one is going to be able to get rid of them no matter how gentrified a neighborhood becomes.


Well, yeah, when your main industry is serving alcohol to out of towners then that puts a different spin on things.
 
2012-10-06 04:08:38 PM
Save the Cock Tavern? Here's a quarter for you lady.

/great scott!
//this is heavy
 
2012-10-06 04:25:54 PM

downstairs: I generally sigh at the anti-gentrification crowd, because they're often more smug and unrealistic as the ones doing the gentrification (and I lived in Chicago, which when I was there was gentrification central... neighborhoods changed by the friggin month it seemed).
 
But come on, respect parts of the local culture that aren't causing you any harm. 
 
Do I want a housing project next door?  No.  But thats because its been fairly well proven that they breed crime (not a racial argument... its more about how our society treats the lower class, and sometimes simple stuff like cops just don't patrol them.)
 
But a dive bar?  Please.  That's a beautiful thing to have nearby.


In fact, there should be more Dive Bars, I think. We all need a place to drown our sorrows in booze, and contemplate on how much we are being screwed over by the douchebag above, and how he's screwed by the douchebag above him.
 
2012-10-06 05:00:42 PM
Gentrification is government sponsored racism and classism. That's not to say the end result isn't positive, but to deny it is ridiculous
 
2012-10-07 12:10:19 AM
In a statement released exclusively to The Irish Post Mr Crow said: "The RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers) is fully behind the campaign to save The Cock Tavern from being closed down and turned into yuppie flats by some bunch of property speculators registered offshore in the Virgin Islands."

I'm happy to see other countries hate yuppies, too.
 
2012-10-07 04:38:28 AM
I have been there on many occasions to watch Celtic games. Great atmosphere and packed to the gills during Old Firm derbies. A good place for all ages to enjoy the football. And they never objected to any of the, shall we say, traditional songs.

Those developers can get tae fark.

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2012-10-07 07:42:57 AM

downstairs: I generally sigh at the anti-gentrification crowd, because they're often more smug and unrealistic as the ones doing the gentrification (and I lived in Chicago, which when I was there was gentrification central... neighborhoods changed by the friggin month it seemed).
 
But come on, respect parts of the local culture that aren't causing you any harm. 
 
Do I want a housing project next door?  No.  But thats because its been fairly well proven that they breed crime (not a racial argument... its more about how our society treats the lower class, and sometimes simple stuff like cops just don't patrol them.)
 
But a dive bar?  Please.  That's a beautiful thing to have nearby.


I wouldn't call what's happening there gentrification. Gentrification is when individuals slowly start to move into an old, but run down neighbourhood, renovating the houses and opening up cafés. It starts with the bohemians and hipsters, later followed by various grades of yuppie.

What's happening near King's Cross is that huge corporate developers, with the full support of the government are tearing around in bulldozers and plonking down huge, ready made housing and business complexes that even the 1% will find pricey.
 
2012-10-07 08:24:14 AM
I'd fight for this to stay open, just for the sole benefit in that it keeps the punters and obnoxious football crowds outta my pub...
 
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