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2012-10-06 04:32:26 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: The way I'm reading this is: you're saying we live in a democracy (a democratic republic, whatever), yet that democracy never decided that two states (Texass and California) would control the majority of the content of all the states' textbooks.

Do you think the government publishes textbooks? Holy crap dude.


Not who would print them, but who would decide content.

Why are you changing the subject?

I said the democracy never decided that a minority would decide who would choose the textbook content for the majority. The right to decide the content of textbooks has never been voted on (by the people themselves or their representatives in Congress) nor has it been ruled on by the Supremes or proclaimed in an Executive Order. So, how did Texass and California get to decide the content of the entire nation's school textbooks?
 
2012-10-06 04:32:29 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?


Why does everything have to be so absolute? I either have to care about every farking last detail, or not care at all? Holy crap dude. I live in Illinois. Federal dollars help fund our schools. How many hours of science does a 3rd grader get per week in Illinois public schools? Wait, you don't know? Are you saying you don't care how your taxes are spent?
 
2012-10-06 04:32:43 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."


actually the tone was closer to "wake up and invest some time in your kids and their education"...

/having been my original question and all...
 
2012-10-06 04:32:50 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?

Well, it's only the right that wants to destroy science education (except some derp on the extreme left).

Yeah, if the left wanted to replace traditional American history with, say, Zinn (as opposed to using Zinn as a supplement to traditional history) then I'd have a problem with the left as well. But I think this is more of a college than K-12 issue.


I would gladly welcome Jon Kabat-Zinn books into our public schools.
 
2012-10-06 04:33:52 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 04:34:51 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Why are you changing the subject?


I'm not, you clearly do not understand how the system works.

GreatGlavinsGhost: Not who would print them, but who would decide content.


The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase. No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.

GreatGlavinsGhost: I said the democracy never decided that a minority would decide who would choose the textbook content for the majority.


See how far away from reality you are? I'm guessing you were educated in Texas.
 
2012-10-06 04:35:22 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]


Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday
 
2012-10-06 04:36:06 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."


Funny, I don't see that sentiment anywhere in the thread.
 
2012-10-06 04:36:41 PM  

cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday


Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.
 
2012-10-06 04:37:11 PM  

Nobodyn0se: GilRuiz1: justtray: There's no such thing as organized or militant atheists.

What are you talking about? There are heaps of atheist organizations out there! There are global organizations, national organizations, state groups, local groups, conventions; heck, there's even an atheist PAC!

[enlightenthevote.com image 236x89]

The point is, there's THOUSANDS of those groups. Not one, like with religions.


Thank you, I guess I wasn't clear enough to prevent ridiculous cherry picking. If it's still confusing, the point to be taken is atheism is not a religion. The only shared principle is that we don't believe in 'God,' by definition.
 
2012-10-06 04:37:11 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]

Communists arent militant? Wow, learn something new everyday


FFS autocorrect, why must you hate me? Fixt
 
2012-10-06 04:37:45 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]


A friend of a friend (who is a militant Christian) posted that to his Facebook wall. My friend (very non-Christian) asked him why he had posted that particular cartoon, as it is making fun of Militant Christians. The other guy responded with something along the lines of "this cartoon shows that the dirty Muslims kill people indiscriminately, while the Christians only kill in the defense of others!"

I shiat you not.
 
2012-10-06 04:37:48 PM  

sno man: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

actually the tone was closer to "wake up and invest some time in your kids and their education"...

/having been my original question and all...


That's how I took it too. And my response was "fark you, I did wake up and invest time in my kids and their education." Apparently I am supposed to apologize for not waking up and investing time in other kids educations as well.

I bet all of these internet crusaders here are doing a lot of things about it too like organizing protests and registering voters and knocking on doors and contacting publishers, right everyone biatching about how me paying taxes isn't enough?
 
2012-10-06 04:38:08 PM  

Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.


Communists are intolerant of religious people.
 
2012-10-06 04:38:37 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?

Why does everything have to be so absolute? I either have to care about every farking last detail, or not care at all? Holy crap dude. I live in Illinois. Federal dollars help fund our schools. How many hours of science does a 3rd grader get per week in Illinois public schools? Wait, you don't know? Are you saying you don't care how your taxes are spent?


Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.
 
2012-10-06 04:39:35 PM  

cman: cman: Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]

Communists arent militant? Wow, learn something new everyday

FFS autocorrect, why must you hate me? Fixt


Nope, it's still stupid.
 
2012-10-06 04:39:48 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]

Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday


Were you looking at the same cartoon I was?

/and no, in and of that, no more than Capitalists are.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:19 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.


Communism is not a religion.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:54 PM  

justtray: cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.

Communism is not a religion.


And neither is Atheism.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:57 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

Funny, I don't see that sentiment anywhere in the thread.


I know you don't. That was the original context of what I was replying to, it has been amazingly clear you were completely oblivious to it.

sno man: As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?


I pulled my kids from public school making huge sacrifices so they could attend private school, pay my taxes and vote in every single election. What the fark else do you want me to do? Again, your kid is not my responsibility. The public school where my kid used to go sucks ass. By a huge majority, none of the parents cared. When did it become my responsibility to care for them and what's more, what exactly do you think I can do about it when none of them give a shiat and vote against me anyways?

The answer to my question earlier - zero. 3rd graders get zero science whatsoever. I was probably the only parent who gave a shiat in the entire school.
 
2012-10-06 04:42:13 PM  

Nobodyn0se: I shiat you not.


I find that very easy to believe ... which is kinda sad.
 
2012-10-06 04:43:06 PM  

AlanSmithee: Alas, the movie itself is a a very depressing doc.
It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.



Sadly for that very reason I don't think I could watch. I might go postal. And I'm not a postman.
 
2012-10-06 04:43:16 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?

Why does everything have to be so absolute? I either have to care about every farking last detail, or not care at all? Holy crap dude. I live in Illinois. Federal dollars help fund our schools. How many hours of science does a 3rd grader get per week in Illinois public schools? Wait, you don't know? Are you saying you don't care how your taxes are spent?

Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.



Actually it does when the number of hours is zero, dipshiat. Way to clearly demonstrate you don't care how your tax dollars are spent. Indeed, it seems you care less than me. I can't wait for the thread to jump on you.
 
2012-10-06 04:43:29 PM  

Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB


Thank you for that.
 
2012-10-06 04:44:16 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.


Stop feeding the troll. At this point, he's either incapable of getting it or he doesn't want to get it. Just let it go.
 
2012-10-06 04:45:21 PM  

CptnSpldng: Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB

Thank you for that.


No problem! You can find more info on Facebook. Just search for "Judy Jennings" and you can like her candidate page.
 
2012-10-06 04:45:48 PM  

justtray: justtray: cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.

Communism is not a religion.

And neither is Atheism.


It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides
 
2012-10-06 04:45:52 PM  
I think the dumbing-down of education is not just an American phenomenon. It's happening all across the western world, as politicians begin to realize what the third-world warlords and politicians have known all along: That their lives are better with the working class being dumber than a bag of bricks, and more obedient than a lap dog.

There's only a few countries that vehemently try to oppose this: France does, the people in Spain are also fighting against it. But in many ways, America is the biggest representative of this problem because America is the Modern Rome: Full military might, a culture and society that is well-known, and a scope of control well beyond its borders.

I like to point out on this scene in God Bless America as a warning to all Americans that, in the end, the world can't afford a nation of bigoted idiots, because you have access to enough nuclear arsenal to turn the planet into a wasteland (although we're all already doing so because of pollution).
 
2012-10-06 04:46:29 PM  

lennavan: The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase.


What criteria do they use to decide which texts they will purchase?

lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.


I think perhaps it is you who is naive about the way things work.
 
2012-10-06 04:47:09 PM  

cman: Communists are intolerant of religious people.


So are other religious people. That doesn't mean communism = atheism.

Tea-spoon mode:

Atheism is nothing more than not believing in gods. That's all it is. Nothing more.

Communism is an entire ideology, of which atheism is just one small facet.
 
2012-10-06 04:47:39 PM  

GhostFish: But I digress. Could be an interesting watch, but I think it will be preaching to the choir.
I don't think the creationists and anti-intellectuals have a fighting chance.
Their children are being raised in the information age, and their entire social experience is now built around "Hey, look at this thing I found on the internet!"


I guess my concern is that the above bolded scenario isn't happening. (see: Secret Muslim Birth Certificate) Maybe this will change with the next generation where the internet is always around, but I would bet the bullshiat detection will probably only be limited to internet-related policies (i.e. SOPA/PIPA, etc.). I think the change that really needs to happen is less tolerance for bullshiat, debunked beliefs being on par with factually-backed beliefs, even if the internet will still provide a forum/echo chamber for said bullshiat, debunked beliefs.
 
2012-10-06 04:48:53 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Seriously people need to get their dirty little hands out of K-12 education. Score your damn political points somewhere else.

/BTW - what bright young new college graduate actually wants to teach in a public school? Masochists maybe?


The kind that can get a bunch of their student loan debt forgiven for doing so.
 
2012-10-06 04:49:08 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.

Stop feeding the troll. At this point, he's either incapable of getting it or he doesn't want to get it. Just let it go.


But I've got so much food! And he's so hungry! Arrrrrrrrrgh!
 
2012-10-06 04:49:44 PM  

ptraillz: vrax: Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

WTF is a fundie atheist?!

He means the fundie atheists that come to your door and attempt to get you to turn away from god in the middle of a goddamn Tuesday afternoon when you're just trying to watch a little Maury.


That's when I turn and point to the painting of Jesus in the entry way and ask them, "If there is no god, then how did I get this photograph of him?!" They just walk away shaking their heads. Hooo-wee, that logic gets them every time!
 
2012-10-06 04:50:16 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides



Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:11 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

Funny, I don't see that sentiment anywhere in the thread.

I know you don't. That was the original context of what I was replying to, it has been amazingly clear you were completely oblivious to it.

sno man: As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I pulled my kids from public school making huge sacrifices so they could attend private school, pay my taxes and vote in every single election. What the fark else do you want me to do? Again, your kid is not my responsibility. The public school where my kid used to go sucks ass. By a huge majority, none of the parents cared. When did it become my responsibility to care for them and what's more, what exactly do you think I can do about it when none of them give a shiat and vote against me anyways?

The answer to my question earlier - zero. 3rd graders get zero science whatsoever. I was probably the only parent who gave a shiat in the entire school.


That still doesn't change the fact that it is better to teach them nothing at all than to teach them falsehoods.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:27 PM  

FloydA: AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se:

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.

Damn, it won't allow Canadian contributions. Well, I hope someone here will gladly donate a $100.

Done. I'm really tapped this month, but I threw in $100 anyway. This is important.


You're a good man, Nobodyn0se. On my end, I'm donating $100 to the Museum of Evolution and Paleontology in Montreal.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:28 PM  

Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.


Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:45 PM  

lennavan: sno man: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

actually the tone was closer to "wake up and invest some time in your kids and their education"...

/having been my original question and all...

That's how I took it too. And my response was "fark you, I did wake up and invest time in my kids and their education." Apparently I am supposed to apologize for not waking up and investing time in other kids educations as well.

I bet all of these internet crusaders here are doing a lot of things about it too like organizing protests and registering voters and knocking on doors and contacting publishers, right everyone biatching about how me paying taxes isn't enough?


I'd imagine many are doing some something, and to be fair you knew what you typed was going to get a lot of bites.
If everyone takes just a little more time in their kids education, all the kids will benefit in the long run.
Texas get to make these choices because nearly everywhere else has wee little school boards for each municipality, so what about having each state amalgamate it's various boards and start making there own curriculum demands? With enough critical (sane) mass Texas is no longer the big player, and taa daa nearly derpless textbooks!
 
2012-10-06 04:52:51 PM  

justtray: Communism is not a religion.


In theory, no. In practice, communist states often end up with infallible leaders, and to me that blurs the line to religion. Best Korea, for example, is a communist state that has degenerated to a theocracy.

Meet your heavenly father:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-06 04:53:19 PM  

AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se. On my end, I'm donating $100 to the Museum of Evolution and Paleontology in Montreal.


Thank you. This thread (with one notable exception) has done its part to restore my faith in humanity :)
 
2012-10-06 04:53:29 PM  

AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se


Oops, I meantFloydA. But I'm sure you're an okay person too, Mr. nobodyn0se.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:14 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase.

What criteria do they use to decide which texts they will purchase?


Whatever the hell they want.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:27 PM  
collider.com

No, this is it.
 
2012-10-06 04:55:25 PM  

AlanSmithee: Oops, I meantFloydA.


:(
 
2012-10-06 04:55:30 PM  

justtray: justtray: cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.

Communism is not a religion.

And neither is Atheism.


Science cannot disprove the existence God; nor can religion invalidate science, so long as people on both sides of the argument remain rational. When either side abandons pragmatic reason for fanaticism, no one wins.

The proponents "militant Atheism" are no less tiring than "militant Theism".
 
2012-10-06 04:56:30 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase.

What criteria do they use to decide which texts they will purchase?

Whatever the hell they want.


Could content be one of them?
 
2012-10-06 04:56:47 PM  

had98c: Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.

Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.


So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it? If I don't know if there is a god (are gods) then I am a doubter + thereby not a theist, therefore I am an atheist? Or am I misunderstanding?

/If that's what you're saying, ok, but I think it helps to distinguish between atheists who are certain that there is no god and atheists who admit that they just don't know. Is that an acceptable distinction?
 
2012-10-06 04:56:52 PM  

nmemkha: Science cannot disprove the existence God;


It doesn't have to.

nmemkha: The proponents "militant Atheism" are no less tiring than "militant Theism".


Nobodyn0se: Yeah, remember that time those atheists killed thousands of people in terrorist attacks? Remember when atheists took over the country's law making bodies and put laws on the books to discriminate against theists?

Me neither.

 
2012-10-06 04:57:15 PM  
I wake up a little earlier than usual, because I work midnights, and I see this dumbass in the trailer for this movie and now I'm filled with rage at his ignorance.

Thanks subby.
 
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