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2012-10-06 04:57:15 PM
I wake up a little earlier than usual, because I work midnights, and I see this dumbass in the trailer for this movie and now I'm filled with rage at his ignorance.

Thanks subby.
 
2012-10-06 04:57:43 PM

lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.


That's not how the system works.
 
2012-10-06 04:58:30 PM
No.
 
2012-10-06 04:59:17 PM

AliceBToklasLives: So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it?


No, I'm saying "gnosticism/Agnosticism" is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.

Every single person on the planet is either a theist or an atheist, and every single person is either a gnostic or an agnostic. There are four different resulting possibilities there. But agnosticism is IN NO WAY a third choice between atheism and theism.

Answer these two questions:

1. Do you currently believe in a God?

2. Do you think the questions of God is knowable or unknowable?
 
2012-10-06 05:00:29 PM

AliceBToklasLives: had98c: Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.

Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.

So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it? If I don't know if there is a god (are gods) then I am a doubter + thereby not a theist, therefore I am an atheist? Or am I misunderstanding?

/If that's what you're saying, ok, but I think it helps to distinguish between atheists who are certain that there is no god and atheists who admit that they just don't know. Is that an acceptable distinction?


Ones that claim not to know are agnostic atheists. Ones that claim that knowledge are gnostic atheists. That's the distinction. It works for theists too. Agnostic theist = I believe, but don't know, gnostic theist = I believe, and I know.
 
2012-10-06 05:00:35 PM

nmemkha: Science cannot disprove the existence God; nor can religion invalidate science, so long as people on both sides of the argument remain rational. When either side abandons pragmatic reason for fanaticism, no one wins.


You don't often hear of scientists attempting to disprove god. While you have a decent point, I'm thinkin these two things are not equal.
 
2012-10-06 05:00:41 PM

Nobodyn0se:
Nobodyn0se: Yeah, remember that time those atheists killed thousands of people in terrorist attacks? Remember when atheists took over the country's law making bodies and put laws on the books to discriminate against theists?

Me neither.


What about people who have done those things for "the greater good", country, or any other belief system. Should we condemn Patriotism because some people have commit atrocities under its flag?
 
2012-10-06 05:00:53 PM

AlanSmithee: AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se

Oops, I meantFloydA. But I'm sure you're an okay person too, Mr. nobodyn0se.


Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.
 
2012-10-06 05:01:44 PM
lennavan:You don't often hear of scientists attempting to disprove god.

Ahem:

upload.wikimedia.org

There are many many many more if you want.
 
2012-10-06 05:02:51 PM

nmemkha: What about people who have done those things for "the greater good", country, or any other belief system.


I don't know. What about them?

nmemkha: Should we condemn Patriotism because some people have commit atrocities under its flag?


We should condemn the type of patriotism that drives people to commit atrocities ("militant patriotism"), yes. How is that even a question?
 
2012-10-06 05:03:25 PM

nmemkha: Science cannot disprove the existence God;


Nor does it have to. Until the theists cough up some tangible evidence of the existence of a god, there is nothing that needs to be disproven.

i560.photobucket.com

nor can religion invalidate science,

Because science is real and religion is not.

so long as people on both sides of the argument remain rational. When either side abandons pragmatic reason for fanaticism, no one wins.

You can't be religious in this day and age without letting go of at least some of your pragmatic reasoning. NTTAWWT, mind you, as long as you don't try to turn your fairy tales into law or curriculum.
 
2012-10-06 05:03:28 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.


I DO!
 
2012-10-06 05:04:00 PM

King Something: lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.

So, you got yours and f*ck other people, huh.


My town didn't have its own high school, so the kids from the elementary school were able to attend any local high school they wanted in the area, with the state picking up the tab, and two of them were private schools.

The trouble was, one of those private schools actually had LOWER educational standards than state public school standards. (A passing grade was 50%.) So all the idiots, school bullies, and Special Snowflakes went to that school. The result was not unlike Bulworth Academy - a school where the teachers had zero control over their classes, no college would look at them twice, and you were guaranteed a lucrative career in the fast-food industry upon graduation. Most students just folded back into their parents' family farms and perpetuated the cycle of ignorance and inbreeding for another generation.

The current governor is trying to get online education and charter schools in this state - the first two charter schools opened today - which would be an awesome way to save money so long as you don't give a damn about educational standards. I foresee the quality of education in this state going to shiat unless there's a provision that states that "school choice" includes at the very least the mediocre standard of education that a public school provides. I don't think we can stand to get any dumber.
 
2012-10-06 05:04:09 PM

AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Do you believe in a deity or deities?
If not, you are an atheist.

Agnosticism isn't some middle ground.

Being agnostic means that you believe that the factual truth of the existence of God is unknown and likely unknowable. Most atheists are agnostics. In fact, many/most Christians probably are too.

Atheism is not a belief that there is no god. That is more along the lines of Antitheism.
Antitheists are atheists, but not all atheists are antitheists. Just as tigers are cats, but not all cats are tigers.

I don't mean to go off on you or anything. But words have meanings, and while language is fluid and meanings can change I think it's problematic when that change reduces the overall vocabulary. When you say X means Y but provide no new word for Y, I think we have a problem.
 
2012-10-06 05:04:51 PM

AliceBToklasLives: had98c: Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.

Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.

So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it? If I don't know if there is a god (are gods) then I am a doubter + thereby not a theist, therefore I am an atheist? Or am I misunderstanding?

/If that's what you're saying, ok, but I think it helps to distinguish between atheists who are certain that there is no god and atheists who admit that they just don't know. Is that an acceptable distinction?


It's more like you believe there is no god, but you lack concrete knowledge that there is, in fact, no god. The first part would be addressed by atheism the second would be addressed by agnosticism. At least that's how I understand it. Which I freely admit could be partially or wholly incorrect. YMMV and so on.
 
2012-10-06 05:06:09 PM

vrax: It's more like you believe there is no god,


Close. Atheism isn't "belief that there is no God." It's "Lack of belief in God."

There is a distinct difference.
 
2012-10-06 05:06:57 PM

nmemkha: Ahem:


What I got from that book was that he wasn't intending to disprove god, just demonstrate that the probability of the existence of a god is so small that it isn't worth considering.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:00 PM

Nobodyn0se: nmemkha: What about people who have done those things for "the greater good", country, or any other belief system.

I don't know. What about them?

nmemkha: Should we condemn Patriotism because some people have commit atrocities under its flag?

We should condemn the type of patriotism that drives people to commit atrocities ("militant patriotism"), yes. How is that even a question?


Its demonstrates your example is cherry picked. Humans do terrible things for a variety of irrational reasons with one reason being religious faith. So statement boils down to "religious people do terrible things, just like everyone else". Not a very compelling argument.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:39 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.

That's not how the system works.


To move forward, you'll need a working understanding of capitalism. There's a difference between wanting to maximize profits by only developing a single textbook and being forced to publish exactly what the local school board in Texas says.

By the way, look at the edits being made versus what the textbook companies biatch about. Exactly how different do you think the Texas textbook would be from one we'd prefer up in the Northern states? The company seems to want you to think they would be 100% different.

Ultimately, the argument you are making is a financial one. A simple solution - according to your article, producing a new textbook would be $5 million. Nothing is stopping the blue states from getting together, splitting the $5 million cost and developing their own science text. I'd love my tax dollars to go to something like that.

I get it you want to blame Texas. Indeed Texas sucks. But Texas is not the only problem here and trying to sway Texans has to be about the least likely to succeed solution possible. Just ask Nobodyn0se.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:58 PM

Uncle Tractor: nmemkha: Ahem:

What I got from that book was that he wasn't intending to disprove god, just demonstrate that the probability of the existence of a god is so small that it isn't worth considering.


LOL the very title purposefully provocative and Dawkins views are well know. Try again.
 
2012-10-06 05:08:01 PM

GhostFish: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides

Do you believe in a deity or deities?
If not, you are an atheist.

Agnosticism isn't some middle ground.

Being agnostic means that you believe that the factual truth of the existence of God is unknown and likely unknowable. Most atheists are agnostics. In fact, many/most Christians probably are too.

Atheism is not a belief that there is no god. That is more along the lines of Antitheism.
Antitheists are atheists, but not all atheists are antitheists. Just as tigers are cats, but not all cats are tigers.

I don't mean to go off on you or anything. But words have meanings, and while language is fluid and meanings can change I think it's problematic when that change reduces the overall vocabulary. When you say X means Y but provide no new word for Y, I think we have a problem.


Generalizations is something that our language has a problem with. A man knocks up a 15 year old girl he is called a pedophile, when pedophilia is a term for a younger girl. Whenever someone plays Electronic Dance Music, everyone complains that techno sucks.
 
2012-10-06 05:08:08 PM

cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.


That's not really accurate.

There are many communists who are themselves deeply religious. The entirety of liberation theology, the Catholic Worker Movement, Padre Gustavo Gutiérrez, Edward Bellamy, and arguably even Jesus could be called "communists," but are certainly not atheists.

Further, there were and are communists who were not at all critical of religion, even if they were not religious themselves. Something like 1/3 of the population of China follow Shenist and/or Taoist religion, and another 15-20% or so are Buddhists. Insofar as the religions do not act as a source of authority that confronts the government, the government doesn't seem to care too much.

I know that Stalin is usually cited as an example of a communist who attacked religion, but that's a severe over-simplification of the events. The history of the church in the Soviet Union is quite complex, and to some extent, the Russian Orthodox church (under Sergius I of Moscow) even officially endorsed Soviet authority. Americans typically hear only a very simplistic, almost cartoonish, version of Soviet history, and that's one of the reasons we never really understood them (which is one of the reasons so many of us grew up terrified of them). The real history of the USSR was far more complex (and far more interesting) than "bad guys doing evil."
 
2012-10-06 05:08:33 PM

lennavan: As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that.



Do you not see the irony of saying the education of others is of no concern to you yet you will bemoan their lack of knowledge?
 
2012-10-06 05:08:34 PM

nmemkha: Its demonstrates your example is cherry picked. Humans do terrible things for a variety of irrational reasons with one reason being religious faith. So statement boils down to "religious people do terrible things, just like everyone else". Not a very compelling argument.


That's a very nice strawman you've built there. Good job knocking it down. If you'd like to argue against what I'm actually arguing for, let me know. Otherwise, I'll just sit back and watch, k?
 
2012-10-06 05:08:41 PM
I've seen this somewhere before...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 05:10:08 PM

nmemkha: LOL the very title purposefully provocative and Dawkins views are well know. Try again.


A provocative title sells better. Also, believing in something one can't prove is a tad delusional.

As for Dawkin's views ... what are they again? (in your opinion)
 
2012-10-06 05:10:46 PM

Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.

I DO!


You know the truth, but are you telling us truth? What are you hiding? Deep thoughts. Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?
 
2012-10-06 05:11:17 PM

Nobodyn0se: vrax: It's more like you believe there is no god,

Close. Atheism isn't "belief that there is no God." It's "Lack of belief in God."

There is a distinct difference.


Yes, sorry, conflating my thoughts there.
 
2012-10-06 05:11:31 PM
Here's the former chairman on Colbert: Link, with magic rock goodness
 
2012-10-06 05:11:32 PM
www.obeythefist.com
 
2012-10-06 05:11:51 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.

I DO!

You know the truth, but are you telling us truth? What are you hiding? Deep thoughts. Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?


I ran out of "the"s right before that post.
 
2012-10-06 05:12:16 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You know the truth, but are you telling us truth?


No :(

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What are you hiding?


My porn collection, for one.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?


DON'T YOU DARE SUMMON HIM!
 
2012-10-06 05:12:56 PM

had98c: Ones that claim not to know are agnostic atheists. Ones that claim that knowledge are gnostic atheists. That's the distinction. It works for theists too. Agnostic theist = I believe, but don't know, gnostic theist = I believe, and I know.


ok, ok, I get it - so the distinction I am trying to make is between gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists. Fine. I think that's an important distinction.

Nobodyn0se: No, I'm saying "gnosticism/Agnosticism" is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.

Every single person on the planet is either a theist or an atheist, and every single person is either a gnostic or an agnostic. There are four different resulting possibilities there. But agnosticism is IN NO WAY a third choice between atheism and theism.


So your solution to someone who gets something wrong is TO YELL AT THEM.

Sorry. I don't know everything. I'm agnostic after all. Mea culpa.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:05 PM

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.

That's not how the system works.

To move forward, you'll need a working understanding of capitalism.


Originally, you argued that the problem was democracy; that we weren't voting enough of the right people in. Now you're saying the problem is market forces.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:18 PM

Rich Cream: lennavan: As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that.

Do you not see the irony of saying the education of others is of no concern to you yet you will bemoan their lack of knowledge?


I see the irony in you posting about a lack of knowledge, while clearly demonstrating you have no clue what I am saying.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:44 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?


I was half-expecting EmaciatedCranium to show up. He's probably too busy fapping at that poster.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:46 PM

AliceBToklasLives: So your solution to someone who gets something wrong is TO YELL AT THEM.

Sorry. I don't know everything. I'm agnostic after all. Mea culpa.


Wasn't trying to yell. Was trying to emphasize. Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.
 
2012-10-06 05:14:56 PM

lennavan: I see the irony in you posting about a lack of knowledge, while clearly demonstrating you have no clue what I am saying.


TROLLOLOLOLOLOL!
 
2012-10-06 05:15:22 PM

AlanSmithee: AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se

Oops, I meantFloydA. But I'm sure you're an okay person too, Mr. nobodyn0se.


Nah. Nobodyn0se is the good man. I'm just some schlub who's been earning a much better paycheck for the past few years than ever before in my life, and I haven't quite figured out how to be a greedy, self-centered, stingy bastard yet, so I don't know what else to do with the money. ;-)
 
2012-10-06 05:16:06 PM

GreatGlavinsGhost: Originally, you argued that the problem was democracy; that we weren't voting enough of the right people in. Now you're saying the problem is market forces.


Originally I argued the problem was Democracy because I was talking about who chooses the textbooks and curriculum for schools. You then began discussing who decides content in textbooks and because a private, for profit company decides content, and content is driven by book sales. I tried my very best to tell you that elected officials do not decide content and that its the companies that have the final say but you were having none of it. So that forced us to talk about market forces. How the fark can you not follow this?
 
2012-10-06 05:17:37 PM

FloydA: Nah. Nobodyn0se is the good man.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-06 05:19:03 PM

Nobodyn0se: Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.


That's someone who doesn't believe in ntagons, right?
 
2012-10-06 05:19:41 PM

Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You know the truth, but are you telling us truth?

No :(

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What are you hiding?

My porn collection, for one.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?

DON'T YOU DARE SUMMON HIM!


Don't worry, I will only ever say it once, and I'm nowhere near a mirror.
 
2012-10-06 05:20:21 PM

FloydA: Nobodyn0se: Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.

That's someone who doesn't believe in ntagons, right?


Ba-Dum-TISH!
 
2012-10-06 05:20:33 PM

FloydA: Nobodyn0se: Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.

That's someone who doesn't believe in ntagons, right?


I think that's a Scientology thing.
 
2012-10-06 05:22:25 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You know the truth, but are you telling us truth?

No :(

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What are you hiding?

My porn collection, for one.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?

DON'T YOU DARE SUMMON HIM!

Don't worry, I will only ever say it once, and I'm nowhere near a mirror.


You have to say his name potato times for the summoning.
 
2012-10-06 05:23:35 PM

vrax: You have to say his name potato times for the summoning.


Aaaaaand "Funny"ed.
 
2012-10-06 05:24:18 PM

Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: So your solution to someone who gets something wrong is TO YELL AT THEM.

Sorry. I don't know everything. I'm agnostic after all. Mea culpa.

Wasn't trying to yell. Was trying to emphasize. Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.


It's ok - sorry to get so offended - I still love you Nobodyn0se :) Hugs.
 
2012-10-06 05:24:27 PM

Uncle Tractor: Also, believing in something one can't prove is a tad delusional.

That's the foundation of any faith - that there is more to existence that the tangible world. A good chuck of humanity have held this singular irrationality since we stopped squatting in fields poking berries up our noses. Humans are inherently superstitious creatures. A fact I doubt would change even if every religion on earth was abolished.

 
2012-10-06 05:25:04 PM

nmemkha: Uncle Tractor: Also, believing in something one can't prove is a tad delusional.


That's the foundation of any faith - that there is more to existence that the tangible world. A good chuck of humanity have held this singular irrationality since we stopped squatting in fields poking berries up our noses. Humans are inherently superstitious creatures. A fact I doubt would change even if every religion on earth was abolished.
 
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