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2012-10-06 11:03:14 AM  
Alas, the movie itself is a a very depressing doc.
It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.
 
2012-10-06 11:20:42 AM  

AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.


Very.

Especially when it's someone you knew your whole life - you grew up beside this person, you shared their meals, you slept over at their house, you played endless rounds of Goldeneye on their N64 - but you went away to college for 4 short years and when you came back, they seem to have been swapped out by someone who has no concept of logic or rationality. You try to keep being friends, but they're suddenly sending you nonstop crap about 0bummer, UN plots to destroy Israel, and whatever other insanities of the day are being cooked up over at Breitbart.

These aren't crazy morons met on Fark - these are people you know. And yet. And yet...
 
2012-10-06 11:23:42 AM  
Looks like it is worth checking out.
 
2012-10-06 11:52:24 AM  
'shooped.
 
2012-10-06 11:56:16 AM  
No. Looks like an interesting movie, though.
 
2012-10-06 12:02:52 PM  
I don't know if I'll watch the movie, but I like the poster. It just seems like every time I watch a documentary, I sorta want to kill myself later.
The Way We Get By ripped my freaking heart out and Jesus Camp made me ashamed to be a human.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:31 PM  

Godscrack: 'shooped.


Are you sure? I mean, I've seen some shoops in my time...but those pixels look pretty good
 
2012-10-06 12:11:31 PM  

whistleridge: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Very.

Especially when it's someone you knew your whole life - you grew up beside this person, you shared their meals, you slept over at their house, you played endless rounds of Goldeneye on their N64 - but you went away to college for 4 short years and when you came back, they seem to have been swapped out by someone who has no concept of logic or rationality. You try to keep being friends, but they're suddenly sending you nonstop crap about 0bummer, UN plots to destroy Israel, and whatever other insanities of the day are being cooked up over at Breitbart.

These aren't crazy morons met on Fark - these are people you know. And yet. And yet...


Hell it's even worse when you used to date them.
 
2012-10-06 12:12:23 PM  
"Somebody's got to stand up to these experts!"

Man, I think the trailer ruined my day...I might get suicidal if I saw the whole film.
 
2012-10-06 12:12:48 PM  
The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
2012-10-06 12:13:29 PM  
i2.listal.com 

I like this one better.
 
2012-10-06 12:19:36 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Godscrack: 'shooped.

Are you sure? I mean, I've seen some shoops in my time...but those pixels look pretty good


I can tell.
 
2012-10-06 12:22:05 PM  

Confabulat: whistleridge: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Very.

Especially when it's someone you knew your whole life - you grew up beside this person, you shared their meals, you slept over at their house, you played endless rounds of Goldeneye on their N64 - but you went away to college for 4 short years and when you came back, they seem to have been swapped out by someone who has no concept of logic or rationality. You try to keep being friends, but they're suddenly sending you nonstop crap about 0bummer, UN plots to destroy Israel, and whatever other insanities of the day are being cooked up over at Breitbart.

These aren't crazy morons met on Fark - these are people you know. And yet. And yet...

Hell it's even worse when you used to date them.


I bet. Thank God it's just old friends and my step sisters. Yikes.
 
2012-10-06 12:25:09 PM  
I've always liked this one:

a21.idata.over-blog.com
 
2012-10-06 12:25:14 PM  
Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?
 
2012-10-06 12:55:27 PM  
Nah.

These made quite an impression on me when I was young:
pzrservices.typepad.com
filmaholics.net
 
2012-10-06 01:14:50 PM  
Would have been better without the Michael Moore quote. Might have even suckered in a few people who thought "Finally, a movie that shows how creation is stronger than science and politics."

Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.
 
2012-10-06 01:22:44 PM  
No, it is not.
 
2012-10-06 01:35:34 PM  
the head of the texas state board of education should be jailed for child abuse for poisoning the minds of the nation's children and hobbling their chances to compete with the rest of the world.

the fact that the christian taliban is in control of the education of our children should terrify anyone with a brain. if bullshiat like this is taught in our schools, we will be a third-world country in just a few generations.
 
2012-10-06 01:38:07 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Would have been better without the Michael Moore quote. Might have even suckered in a few people who thought "Finally, a movie that shows how creation is stronger than science and politics."

Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.


You're assuming that creationists can read.
 
2012-10-06 01:40:21 PM  
Apple.com? Nope.

Anyone got another link?
 
2012-10-06 01:40:53 PM  
It's downright farkin scary that people are trying to shape education for the purposes of getting generations to vote like them.

Let's see, is it more probable...

that the anti-evolution goal is to correct a basic oversight in the scientific method

or to fight any scientific claim that butts heads with companies that could lose profits if public opinion was against them?

Scientists are flawed:

Biologists are wrong which could mean
Environmentalists are then misguided,
Verification with carbon isotopes cannot be true
Evolution doesn't exist
The strata of the rocks do not represent time
See, how companies could benefit from that if you gave it all up?
 
2012-10-06 01:49:08 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 01:53:11 PM  
farm9.staticflickr.com"> 

I think this is happening now.
 
2012-10-06 01:57:49 PM  
neat poster.

But I've always loved this one:

img811.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-06 02:05:46 PM  
Michael Moore?
No thanks.
 
2012-10-06 02:08:00 PM  
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com 

I have a thing for Polish movie posters.
 
2012-10-06 02:18:01 PM  
i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 02:22:44 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Michael Moore?


It's not his movie.
 
2012-10-06 02:23:49 PM  
I dunno, I kinda like this one:

farm5.staticflickr.com

/made for a PS contest a couple of years ago
 
2012-10-06 02:31:34 PM  

silo123j: [farm9.staticflickr.com image 500x333]"> 

I think this is happening now.


I'm all over the sentiment of that jpg. But it's kinda misleading to use a picture of him from the 70's and a quote from a book published in 1995.

It is happening now, it was already beginning to happen when he wrote it.
 
2012-10-06 02:39:08 PM  

WhyteRaven74: jehovahs witness protection: Michael Moore?

It's not his movie.


If his faculties are insufficient to figure out that much, I doubt the film will have much of an effect on him.
 
2012-10-06 02:53:25 PM  
Dear Auburn,
Re: Arkansas game

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sincerely,
Everybody
 
2012-10-06 02:54:36 PM  
Sorry, wrong thread
:(
 
2012-10-06 03:00:38 PM  
Isnt the GOP fighting new gun rules (individualistic ballistics) because of, whatever happens in CA, will happen in the rest of the US?
 
2012-10-06 03:03:03 PM  

cman: Isnt the GOP fighting new gun rules (individualistic ballistics) because of, whatever happens in CA, will happen in the rest of the US?


That sounds like a really boring movie.
 
2012-10-06 03:07:22 PM  

www.robotmutant.com
DINOSAURS! ON A SAILBOAT!



/I swear... you guys are slacking today
//yeah, yeah, it's not a sailboat, but ark is only one syllable
 
2012-10-06 03:10:05 PM  
I know this movie. Danny Glover dies, right?
 
2012-10-06 03:14:06 PM  
Silent movie posters were amazing:
media.screened.com

cdn.pastemagazine.com

And a couple early talkies:
cdn.pastemagazine.com

media.screened.com
 
2012-10-06 03:14:12 PM  

sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?


I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.
 
2012-10-06 03:15:33 PM  
www.filmbuffonline.com
 
2012-10-06 03:19:17 PM  
 
2012-10-06 03:19:19 PM  
i1162.photobucket.com
i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 03:19:46 PM  
CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB
 
2012-10-06 03:20:10 PM  
"Someone's got to stand up to experts!"

*facepalm*
 
2012-10-06 03:22:31 PM  

Mugato: The world needs ditch diggers too.


Unfortunately, that ditch digger is the Chair of the TSBoE.
 
2012-10-06 03:26:56 PM  
Someone has to represent

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 03:29:43 PM  

cptrios: [www.filmbuffonline.com image 500x755]


That movie is a complete trip. Glad the poster is up to its standard!
 
2012-10-06 03:29:47 PM  
i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 03:32:07 PM  

cman: Isnt the GOP fighting new gun rules (individualistic ballistics) because of, whatever happens in CA, will happen in the rest of the US?


I know you think you're being snarky, but trust me, if they thought they could change the laws of ballistics like they can change the teaching of evolution, the GOP would be all over Smooth Bore Ballistics and deride Rifling as a mere theory.
 
2012-10-06 03:33:50 PM  

lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.


So, you got yours and f*ck other people, huh.
 
2012-10-06 03:34:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: cman: Isnt the GOP fighting new gun rules (individualistic ballistics) because of, whatever happens in CA, will happen in the rest of the US?

I know you think you're being snarky, but trust me, if they thought they could change the laws of ballistics like they can change the teaching of evolution, the GOP would be all over Smooth Bore Ballistics and deride Rifling as a mere theory.


I aint being snarky. It is a serious question. I cannot remember most about what the controversy is, so I threw out some tags hoping to jog memories from you guys.
 
2012-10-06 03:35:24 PM  
Michael Moore talking up a movie called "The Revisionaries"?
Irony called. It said it wants a six-week vacation to recover.

But I digress. Could be an interesting watch, but I think it will be preaching to the choir.
I don't think the creationists and anti-intellectuals have a fighting chance.
Their children are being raised in the information age, and their entire social experience is now built around "Hey, look at this thing I found on the internet!"

The kids aren't completely safe from being manipulated, but the parents have an impossible task if they think they can keep the young from seeing and hearing the opposition.
 
2012-10-06 03:35:38 PM  

Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 580x867]


Oh no you di'int..
 
2012-10-06 03:36:20 PM  
Adult: "Were dinosaurs on the ark?"
Children: "No!"
Adult: "Sure they were! We don't know."


WTF?! The amount of undiagnosed mental illness in this country is astounding.
 
2012-10-06 03:37:58 PM  

AlanSmithee: Alas, the movie itself is a a very depressing doc.
It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.


It wouldn't be so bad if it were only the creationists, but these days right wingers live in their own little alternate reality bubble regarding just about everything. It's just a theory right now, but as the idiocy, bigotry, and greed of the plutocrats and theocrats running the right are becoming clearer, I suspect the cognitive dissonance required for regular people to remain Republicans is slowly driving them insane. It would explain a lot.
 
2012-10-06 03:38:30 PM  
So as a bit of a Devils advocate here I postulate....."what if we rational people are wrong?" I am a fan of Darwin, I don't believe in evolution, I accept the evidence and believe that. I think these people that trumpet "bible God" are just afraid that if they modify their beliefs they will burn in Hell for all eternity.....

It confuses me that a God would give free choice to us and tell us a story and then provide sooooooo much evidence that his story was BS and then tell us we will burn in hell for not accepting the story. But he loves us. He loves us soooooo much. he is burning us in Hell forever for the failings he gave us because he is concerned and loves us.

I just don't get it.... Shout out to GC
 
2012-10-06 03:38:59 PM  
Seriously people need to get their dirty little hands out of K-12 education. Score your damn political points somewhere else.

/BTW - what bright young new college graduate actually wants to teach in a public school? Masochists maybe?
 
2012-10-06 03:39:24 PM  
www.moviegoods.com 

This was a VERY influential movie poster when I was a teen.
 
2012-10-06 03:39:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: "Somebody's got to stand up to these experts!"

Man, I think the trailer ruined my day...I might get suicidal if I saw the whole film.


My favorite was
"Were there dinosaurs on the ark? Sure there were, we don't know"

Really? You know there were, maybe, possibly, you're pretty sure it's true because some book written about a flood and an ark says it happened, even though it doesn't mention dinosaurs?
 
2012-10-06 03:41:38 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Dear Auburn,
Re: Arkansas game

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sincerely,
Everybody


Krymson Tyde: Sorry, wrong thread
:(


No, it fits perfectly. Football and athletics in general dominate the school system, especially in the bible belt.
 
2012-10-06 03:41:57 PM  

King Something: lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.

So, you got yours and f*ck other people, huh.


I pay taxes, so I'm paying entirely for my kids to go to school and a portion of your kids to go to school. You're welcome. What do you want, me to raise your kids for you? You don't like it, go biatch at your school principal or something. My kid doesn't go there, so I don't really get a say other than when it comes time to vote.

Your kids are not my problem.
 
2012-10-06 03:42:02 PM  
Indoctrination, the Right rallies against it, even though they're the only ones doing it.

Hypocrisy, one of the three major pillars of Conservatism.
 
2012-10-06 03:42:09 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Would have been better without the Michael Moore quote. Might have even suckered in a few people who thought "Finally, a movie that shows how creation is stronger than science and politics."

Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.


THIS. They have now lost half the country, and it was the half that needed to watch it. Now they are just preaching to the choir.
 
2012-10-06 03:42:30 PM  

AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.


Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.
 
2012-10-06 03:42:47 PM  
http://i.imgur.com/RIjAM.jpg
The movie sucked (except for the pod race), but this poster is awesome.
 
2012-10-06 03:44:01 PM  

GhostFish: The kids aren't completely safe from being manipulated, but the parents have an impossible task if they think they can keep the young from seeing and hearing the opposition.


If the children are never taught critical thinking skills, then when presented with the opposition, how are they going to react? Experience tells us that people seek out things they agree with, and ignore things they don't. More than experience- this has been confirmed experimentally in behavioral studies.

It's possibly one of the worst aspects of the Internet age- it's so easy to search for what feels good, without regard for what is true.
 
2012-10-06 03:44:15 PM  

Whiskey Pete: [i1162.photobucket.com image 580x867]


Too bad a movie poster can't show off the "comically-overused screen wipe". :-|
 
2012-10-06 03:45:36 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: Really? You know there were, maybe, possibly, you're pretty sure it's true because some book written about a flood and an ark says it happened, even though it doesn't mention dinosaurs?


The Bible: evidence for the existence of Noah and his ark.
Marvel Comics: evidence for the existence of Spiderman.
 
2012-10-06 03:45:37 PM  

cman: Gyrfalcon: cman: Isnt the GOP fighting new gun rules (individualistic ballistics) because of, whatever happens in CA, will happen in the rest of the US?

I know you think you're being snarky, but trust me, if they thought they could change the laws of ballistics like they can change the teaching of evolution, the GOP would be all over Smooth Bore Ballistics and deride Rifling as a mere theory.

I aint being snarky. It is a serious question. I cannot remember most about what the controversy is, so I threw out some tags hoping to jog memories from you guys.


The only place I've heard anything like that is during office talk among my right-wing coworkers who listen to a lot of am radio. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anything in the papers or heard any politician proposing the idea. The technology exists to individually id each bullet and tie it to its purchaser, and I would support such a program, but again, I haven't heard any serious discussion.
 
2012-10-06 03:46:11 PM  

lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.


This, right here, is a perfect example of what's wrong with our country today.

We are a society. Start farking acting like it.
 
2012-10-06 03:47:37 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.


Yeah, remember that time those atheists killed thousands of people in terrorist attacks? Remember when atheists took over the country's law making bodies and put laws on the books to discriminate against theists?

Me neither.
 
2012-10-06 03:47:43 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.

This, right here, is a perfect example of what's wrong with our country today.

We are a society. Start farking acting like it.


Do tell me, what exactly do you want me to do about his kids? Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught? Should I tell his teachers what the appropriate class material is? What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?
 
2012-10-06 03:48:41 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: AdolfOliverPanties: Would have been better without the Michael Moore quote. Might have even suckered in a few people who thought "Finally, a movie that shows how creation is stronger than science and politics."

Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.

THIS. They have now lost half the country, and it was the half that needed to watch it. Now they are just preaching to the choir.


Even if the people who most need to see the film actually see it, their brains will not allow them to process the information in any meaningful, positive manner.
 
2012-10-06 03:48:53 PM  

Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.


What is a fundamental atheist? Someone that points out that religion is nothing more than a fairy tale? Spoiler - It is.

I understand your point though, it's just wrong. There's no such thing as organized or militant atheists. I get why that narrative is so popular though, because its easy to dismiss the truth when you can group people together into one easy to villify party.

Now give me a fun anecdote about how an atheist came to your door to tell you about how your God doesn't exist.
 
2012-10-06 03:48:56 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Unoriginal_Username: Really? You know there were, maybe, possibly, you're pretty sure it's true because some book written about a flood and an ark says it happened, even though it doesn't mention dinosaurs?

The Bible: evidence for the existence of Noah and his ark.
Marvel Comics: evidence for the existence of Spiderman.


All hail Zod
 
2012-10-06 03:49:28 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.


GhostFish: Could be an interesting watch, but I think it will be preaching to the choir.
I don't think the creationists and anti-intellectuals have a fighting chance.


These points are probably correct, but a little well-deserved ridicule can still serve a purpose. If nothing else, this movie can do something about the complacency that says "oh sure, I know the fundies are out there, but they don't affect me, so...."
 
2012-10-06 03:49:46 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

Yeah, remember that time those atheists killed thousands of people in terrorist attacks? Remember when atheists took over the country's law making bodies and put laws on the books to discriminate against theists?

Me neither.


But Hitler was an atheist!

/Seriously. Heard that argued, repeatedly.
 
2012-10-06 03:50:02 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.

This, right here, is a perfect example of what's wrong with our country today.

We are a society. Start farking acting like it.


No no no. We are rugged individualists. If we work together*, we're socialists. So, fark other people's kids.

*except slaughter brown people - we can work together to do God's work
 
2012-10-06 03:50:22 PM  

lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.


You are familiar with the sources of the textbooks then? Familiar with the curriculum?
 
2012-10-06 03:50:40 PM  

justtray: Someone that points out that religion is nothing more than a fairy tale? Spoiler - It is.


That's not true. Religion is more than just a fairy tale, it's a fairy tale utilized to gain money and power from the population.

No one ever went to war over Snow White and the Seven Dwarves but people go to war over whose magical sky wizard is better.
 
2012-10-06 03:50:43 PM  

Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB


Holy crap! Does she have a donation page to shoulder some of the cost?
 
2012-10-06 03:51:03 PM  

Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.


WTF is a fundie atheist?!
 
2012-10-06 03:51:09 PM  

lennavan: What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?


How about "make sure they are educated, fed, given proper healthcare, and not neglected, beaten, abused, sexually assaulted, or discriminated against"? That would be the proper thing to do for other people (especially children) in your society.
 
2012-10-06 03:51:16 PM  

cman: Isnt the GOP fighting new gun rules (individualistic ballistics) because of, whatever happens in CA, will happen in the rest of the US?


Why don't you want to be accountable for the bullets you fire?
 
2012-10-06 03:53:20 PM  

lennavan: Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught?


You, personally? No. But as a society, we absolutely should be ensuring that all children receive a quality education, and part of a quality education is teaching children things that are true, as well as critical thinking skills so that they can figure out what is true on their own.
 
2012-10-06 03:53:43 PM  

AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB

Holy crap! Does she have a donation page to shoulder some of the cost?


Here you go

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.
 
2012-10-06 03:53:55 PM  

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.

This, right here, is a perfect example of what's wrong with our country today.

We are a society. Start farking acting like it.

Do tell me, what exactly do you want me to do about his kids? Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught? Should I tell his teachers what the appropriate class material is? What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?


I dunno, allow educators (rather than politicians) determine what is taught? Fight politicians who want to teach kids obvious falsehoods? Vote for politicians who won't use kids to score political points?

/but they're not your kids, so what do you care? Everything else can go to hell, I guess. Whatever.
 
2012-10-06 03:53:58 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?

How about "make sure they are educated, fed, given proper healthcare, and not neglected, beaten, abused, sexually assaulted, or discriminated against"?


My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.
 
2012-10-06 03:54:38 PM  

vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!


s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-10-06 03:55:25 PM  

t3knomanser: lennavan: Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught?

You, personally?


The original question I replied to was of course about individuals. How can any parent not be doing anything about it for their kids. I am. Suddenly that became some tirade about how I want all of your kids to die or something. Me sending my kid to private school, no longer worrying about him learning derp, apparently means to the Fark community I want all of your kids to starve and be abused or something.

Tards.
 
2012-10-06 03:55:34 PM  

lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.


Ok, I apologize for the fact that I said "Your kids are not my problem."

Oh wait, that was you. I await your apology.
 
2012-10-06 03:56:45 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: I dunno, allow educators (rather than politicians) determine what is taught?


Do you think I personally am currently preventing educators from doing that? By all means, quote the part of my post that made you feel that way.

AliceBToklasLives: Fight politicians who want to teach kids obvious falsehoods? Vote for politicians who won't use kids to score political points?


Which post made you feel I vote for politicians who want to teach kids lies? I think your desire for poutrage overwhelmed your ability to think.
 
2012-10-06 03:57:20 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.

Ok, I apologize for the fact that I said "Your kids are not my problem."

Oh wait, that was you. I await your apology.


I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.
 
2012-10-06 03:57:26 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!

[s3.amazonaws.com image 500x430]


I sure hope one of Obama's drones gets those sick bastards!
 
2012-10-06 03:58:14 PM  

lennavan: Do you think I personally am currently preventing educators from doing that? By all means, quote the part of my post that made you feel that way


lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.

 
2012-10-06 03:58:29 PM  
You and your kids are not my problem.
 
2012-10-06 03:58:55 PM  

lennavan: Which post made you feel I vote for politicians who want to teach kids lies? I think your desire for poutrage overwhelmed your ability to think.


lennavan: I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.

 
2012-10-06 03:58:56 PM  

lennavan: I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.


No, but it is your duty to participate in society. Part of that participation is actively fighting derp. You're the one who said things that implied, "My kids are taken care of, so my obligation is met." My kids are also taken care of (they don't exist), but my obligation to fight derp has not been met.
 
2012-10-06 04:01:32 PM  

Nobodyn0se: AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB

Holy crap! Does she have a donation page to shoulder some of the cost?

Here you go

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.


Damn, it won't allow Canadian contributions. Well, I hope someone here will gladly donate a $100.
 
2012-10-06 04:01:42 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Would have been better without the Michael Moore quote. Might have even suckered in a few people who thought "Finally, a movie that shows how creation is stronger than science and politics."

Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.


The creatards get movie suggestions from their churches. Free tickets too, probably.
 
2012-10-06 04:02:49 PM  

t3knomanser: No, but it is your duty to participate in society.


For the third time, I pay taxes. My taxes fund your kid attending school. My kid does not attend your kid's school. It is none of my business what your kid learns in his/her school. That's up to you. My money pays for your school but you get the says-so because my dollars do not give me the right to dictate what your kid learns.

So you got your school built, go to the PTA meetings and get whatever curriculum you want. If your school teachers derp, it's not my problem. I can't show up to your PTA meetings and complain. I have a job and shiat to do.

t3knomanser: You're the one who said things that implied, "My kids are taken care of, so my obligation is met."


What is wrong about that statement? You think I have an obligation to other parents kids?

t3knomanser: but my obligation to fight derp has not been met.


My obligation to fight derp only goes so far. I'm not going to fly down to Texas to protest every day they derp. I have a job. So do you. When was the last time you went to a PTA meeting? Never, right? I sent my kid to a private school because the public school was full of derp. I never once saw you at that school helping me out. Never once. What's your problem?
 
2012-10-06 04:03:09 PM  

lennavan: AliceBToklasLives: I dunno, allow educators (rather than politicians) determine what is taught?

Do you think I personally am currently preventing educators from doing that? By all means, quote the part of my post that made you feel that way.

AliceBToklasLives: Fight politicians who want to teach kids obvious falsehoods? Vote for politicians who won't use kids to score political points?

Which post made you feel I vote for politicians who want to teach kids lies? I think your desire for poutrage overwhelmed your ability to think.


I think it was:

lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.


+ the 'problem solved for me'

/it makes you look like you don't give a fark unless you are personally affected
//maybe you do, but it sure doesn't sound like it
 
2012-10-06 04:03:39 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Which post made you feel I vote for politicians who want to teach kids lies? I think your desire for poutrage overwhelmed your ability to think.

lennavan: I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.


Wow are you stupid.
 
2012-10-06 04:03:43 PM  

RevRaven: You and your kids are not my problem.


This is kind of a recipe for a disastrous society.
 
2012-10-06 04:04:08 PM  

AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se: AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB

Holy crap! Does she have a donation page to shoulder some of the cost?

Here you go

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.

Damn, it won't allow Canadian contributions. Well, I hope someone here will gladly donate a $100.


Putting forth the effort means a lot. One thing you can do is upvote links about the whole thing when you see them. I try and get links about the lawsuit greenlit all the time, but they never go green :(
 
2012-10-06 04:04:44 PM  

lennavan: What is wrong about that statement? You think I have an obligation to other parents kids?


Yes.
 
2012-10-06 04:05:48 PM  

lennavan: It is none of my business what your kid learns in his/her school.


Yes, it is.

lennavan: You think I have an obligation to other parents kids?


Yes.

lennavan: What's your problem?


I was busy donating books to the local school that can't afford to have a librarian for more than one day a week. And funding organizations that exist to help you out- from the ACLU to the JREF and a plethora of other anti-derp organizations.
 
2012-10-06 04:06:05 PM  
People are replying to Troll Lennavan way too much. All I want to know is which troll alts are also his so I can make sure they're on ignore as well.
 
2012-10-06 04:06:31 PM  

lennavan: Wow are you stupid.


Yes, believing that the fact that you don't care about what happens to other people's kids means you wouldn't care if politicians want to teach kids lies is SOOOO stupid.....
 
2012-10-06 04:06:45 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: What is wrong about that statement? You think I have an obligation to other parents kids?

Yes.


I don't have any kids and I realize that this kind of DERP needs to be stopped. Why? Because I don't want to live in a world with your ignorant kids.
 
2012-10-06 04:08:01 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Putting forth the effort means a lot. One thing you can do is upvote links about the whole thing when you see them. I try and get links about the lawsuit greenlit all the time, but they never go green :(


I'm also the subby. I think this went green because there was the added hook of the cool movie poster.

/thanks mods --this is the kind of thread which is both amusing and also an opportunity to do some good!

//hey, Farkers, please help out!
 
2012-10-06 04:08:09 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.

+ the 'problem solved for me'


It is. The original question was how can you do this to your kids. My answer was I don't, I send my kid to a private school.

AliceBToklasLives: /it makes you look like you don't give a fark unless you are personally affected
//maybe you do, but it sure doesn't sound like it


My ability to give a fark only goes so far. My kid went to a public school where 90%+ of the parents there didn't give a shiat about their kids or their education. So when the time came to discuss the curriculum I was outvoted by idiots who didn't give a shiat. So I left. What else would you have me do?

Apply to this situation. In Texas, the elected school board is full of idiots who basically choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history. What am I going to do? I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas. As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that. Best you can do is vote differently next time. You gotta let it go man.
 
2012-10-06 04:09:37 PM  

vrax: Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

WTF is a fundie atheist?!


He means the fundie atheists that come to your door and attempt to get you to turn away from god in the middle of a goddamn Tuesday afternoon when you're just trying to watch a little Maury.
 
2012-10-06 04:10:23 PM  

t3knomanser: I was busy donating books to the local school that can't afford to have a librarian for more than one day a week. And funding organizations that exist to help you out- from the ACLU to the JREF and a plethora of other anti-derp organizations.


That's nice but as you said, you have an obligation to my kid, so your lack of care is costing me a fortune in private school tuition. You can send me a check to apologize if you like.

Whiskey Pete: I don't have any kids and I realize that this kind of DERP needs to be stopped. Why? Because I don't want to live in a world with your ignorant kids.


You live in a Democracy where if the DERP outvotes you, you lost.
 
2012-10-06 04:10:49 PM  

vrax: RevRaven: You and your kids are not my problem.

This is kind of a recipe for a disastrous society.


I think this is the main point. By saying 'I got what's mine,' we allow the creationtards to take over school boards, determine textbook standards, and totally fark up the curriculum.

/BTW - Texas textbook standards have effects far beyond Texas, so what happens in Texas is everyone's business
 
2012-10-06 04:11:19 PM  

lennavan: t3knomanser: No, but it is your duty to participate in society.

For the third time, I pay taxes. My taxes fund your kid attending school. My kid does not attend your kid's school. It is none of my business what your kid learns in his/her school. That's up to you. My money pays for your school but you get the says-so because my dollars do not give me the right to dictate what your kid learns.

So you got your school built, go to the PTA meetings and get whatever curriculum you want. If your school teachers derp, it's not my problem. I can't show up to your PTA meetings and complain. I have a job and shiat to do.

t3knomanser: You're the one who said things that implied, "My kids are taken care of, so my obligation is met."

What is wrong about that statement? You think I have an obligation to other parents kids?

t3knomanser: but my obligation to fight derp has not been met.

My obligation to fight derp only goes so far. I'm not going to fly down to Texas to protest every day they derp. I have a job. So do you. When was the last time you went to a PTA meeting? Never, right? I sent my kid to a private school because the public school was full of derp. I never once saw you at that school helping me out. Never once. What's your problem?


emotibot.net
 
2012-10-06 04:12:10 PM  

lennavan: You live in a Democracy where if the DERP outvotes you, you lost.


One of the reasons derp wins so many elections is because so many stupid people say stupid things like "Your kids are not my problem."
 
2012-10-06 04:12:48 PM  

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.

Ok, I apologize for the fact that I said "Your kids are not my problem."

Oh wait, that was you. I await your apology.

I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.


We-built-this-like typing detected.
 
2012-10-06 04:13:49 PM  

justtray: People are replying to Troll Lennavan way too much. All I want to know is which troll alts are also his so I can make sure they're on ignore as well.


Sorry - I am guilty of feeding this troll beyond all reason. On ignore.
 
2012-10-06 04:14:07 PM  

AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se:

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.

Damn, it won't allow Canadian contributions. Well, I hope someone here will gladly donate a $100.


Done. I'm really tapped this month, but I threw in $100 anyway. This is important.
 
2012-10-06 04:14:13 PM  

RevRaven: You and your kids are not my problem.


Until they can't get a job and have to kill you and steal your stuff.
 
2012-10-06 04:14:17 PM  
Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?
 
2012-10-06 04:14:21 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: You live in a Democracy where if the DERP outvotes you, you lost.

One of the reasons derp wins so many elections is because so many stupid people say stupid things like "Your kids are not my problem."


Yeah that's not how elections work. Derp wins elections because as it turns out, our country is full of idiots.
 
2012-10-06 04:16:04 PM  

lennavan: Yeah that's not how elections work. Derp wins elections because as it turns out, our country is full of idiots.


Yeah. I saw this one idiot on the internet today that said "Your kids are not my problem."

The rest of the thread laughed at him and pointed out how he was an idiot, but he just kept doubling down on it. It was freaking hilarious.
 
2012-10-06 04:17:04 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.

Ok, I apologize for the fact that I said "Your kids are not my problem."

Oh wait, that was you. I await your apology.

I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.

We-built-this-like typing detected.


I-didn't-read-the-context-of-your-posts-like typing detected.
 
2012-10-06 04:17:04 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?


Yup. Pretty much.
 
2012-10-06 04:17:29 PM  

lennavan: AliceBToklasLives: lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.

+ the 'problem solved for me'

It is. The original question was how can you do this to your kids. My answer was I don't, I send my kid to a private school.

AliceBToklasLives: /it makes you look like you don't give a fark unless you are personally affected
//maybe you do, but it sure doesn't sound like it

My ability to give a fark only goes so far. My kid went to a public school where 90%+ of the parents there didn't give a shiat about their kids or their education. So when the time came to discuss the curriculum I was outvoted by idiots who didn't give a shiat. So I left. What else would you have me do?

Apply to this situation. In Texas, the elected school board is full of idiots who basically choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history. What am I going to do? I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas. As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that. Best you can do is vote differently next time. You gotta let it go man.


So I'll ask again, my follow-up getting lost in the dust...
Are you aware of the source of the textbooks and you child's school's curriculum?

/I think you've hinted at the curriculum part in this post, but a lot of parents that can afford a private school, do and think that's enough, just cause it's private that it's derp free...
 
2012-10-06 04:17:53 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?


Yes.
 
2012-10-06 04:18:01 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Yeah that's not how elections work. Derp wins elections because as it turns out, our country is full of idiots.

Yeah. I saw this one idiot on the internet today that said "Your kids are not my problem."

The rest of the thread laughed at him and pointed out how he was an idiot, but he just kept doubling down on it. It was freaking hilarious.


I saw this idiot today who said me paying taxes to society was not enough and I need to do more for his kids.
 
2012-10-06 04:18:37 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!

[s3.amazonaws.com image 500x430]


Funny...but I'd say:

i3.squidoocdn.com

and

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-06 04:18:43 PM  

FloydA: AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se:

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.

Damn, it won't allow Canadian contributions. Well, I hope someone here will gladly donate a $100.

Done. I'm really tapped this month, but I threw in $100 anyway. This is important.


Wow. I'm really happy right now.

Behold the power of Fark :)

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.
 
2012-10-06 04:19:01 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?


Teaching kids crap like creationism and revisionist history is, in my opinion, tantamount to child abuse. It's a systematic and deliberate effort to make kids believe lies, solely so that a few charlatans make a profit. If that's a partisan issue, I am proud to be a member of the party that is opposed to teaching lies to little kids.
 
2012-10-06 04:19:28 PM  

sno man: So I'll ask again, my follow-up getting lost in the dust...
Are you aware of the source of the textbooks and you child's school's curriculum?

/I think you've hinted at the curriculum part in this post, but a lot of parents that can afford a private school, do and think that's enough, just cause it's private that it's derp free...


I do, I regularly meet with the teachers and I've given guest talks to the science classes. It was being aware of the source of the textbooks and curriculum that drove me to no longer send my kids to public school. Private school isn't cheap, I'm not exactly Mitt Romney.
 
2012-10-06 04:20:24 PM  

lennavan: In Texas, the elected school board is full of idiots who basically choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history. What am I going to do? I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas. As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that. Best you can do is vote differently next time. You gotta let it go man.


In Texas ... idiots ... choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history

I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas

We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas


It seems to me something is very wrong with these statements.

The way I'm reading this is: you're saying we live in a democracy (a democratic republic, whatever), yet that democracy never decided that two states (Texass and California) would control the majority of the content of all the states' textbooks.
 
2012-10-06 04:20:41 PM  
I thought the dinosaurs were supposed to have been wiped out by the flood (though my sunday school teacher told me dinosaurs are made up and kicked me out when I disagreed)? If the dinos were on the ark, how do the bibletards explain their extinction?

And yes, if you think Noah's ark is a true story, you are a retard. EOD. This is the year 2012 ffs.

What a bibletard might look like:

i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 04:20:46 PM  

lennavan: I saw this idiot today who said me paying taxes to society was not enough and I need to do more for his kids.


Ok. You're REALLY trolling now. Good luck with that.
 
2012-10-06 04:20:48 PM  

Nobodyn0se:

Wow. I'm really happy right now.

Behold the power of Fark :)

Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 04:21:19 PM  

GreenAdder: Apple.com? Nope.


You sound hipster.
 
2012-10-06 04:21:32 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: The way I'm reading this is: you're saying we live in a democracy (a democratic republic, whatever), yet that democracy never decided that two states (Texass and California) would control the majority of the content of all the states' textbooks.


Do you think the government publishes textbooks? Holy crap dude.
 
2012-10-06 04:21:49 PM  

ptraillz: vrax: Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

WTF is a fundie atheist?!

He means the fundie atheists that come to your door and attempt to get you to turn away from god in the middle of a goddamn Tuesday afternoon when you're just trying to watch a little Maury.


The DNA results are in, and... You are NOT the Holy Ghost!
 
2012-10-06 04:22:05 PM  

cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?


Well, it's only the right that wants to destroy science education (except some derp on the extreme left).

Yeah, if the left wanted to replace traditional American history with, say, Zinn (as opposed to using Zinn as a supplement to traditional history) then I'd have a problem with the left as well. But I think this is more of a college than K-12 issue.
 
2012-10-06 04:22:21 PM  

FloydA: cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?

Teaching kids crap like creationism and revisionist history is, in my opinion, tantamount to child abuse. It's a systematic and deliberate effort to make kids believe lies, solely so that a few charlatans make a profit. If that's a partisan issue, I am proud to be a member of the party that is opposed to teaching lies to little kids.


The problem is is that shiat like this has been polarized to the point where its farking impossible to tell what is partisan and what is not. I get the feeling that this kind of shiat was inserted into these education materials to elicit a response from the left, further bringing many more into their morality war.
 
2012-10-06 04:25:06 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I saw this idiot today who said me paying taxes to society was not enough and I need to do more for his kids.

Ok. You're REALLY trolling now. Good luck with that.


That actually happened -

lennavan: For the third time, I pay taxes. My taxes fund your kid attending school. My kid does not attend your kid's school. It is none of my business what your kid learns in his/her school. That's up to you. My money pays for your school but you get the says-so because my dollars do not give me the right to dictate what your kid learns.

So you got your school built, go to the PTA meetings and get whatever curriculum you want. If your school teachers derp, it's not my problem. I can't show up to your PTA meetings and complain. I have a job and shiat to do.


lennavan: I pay taxes, so I'm paying entirely for my kids to go to school and a portion of your kids to go to school.


lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.


For those unaware, I pay taxes and I support paying taxes. Taxes fund good things. Taxes pay for schools to educate kids, taxes pay for police to protect your kids, taxes pay for medicaid to give health care to kids, taxes pay for welfare to feed kids, taxes pay for social services to help make sure kids aren't abused and so on. Therefore, I financially support educating kids, health care for kids, feeding kids, making sure kids are safe and so on. Apparently this is not enough for the incredibly tough guys in this thread, I need to be doing more.
 
2012-10-06 04:25:08 PM  
(Looks at link poster)

Wasn't this a scene in Evan Almighty?
 
2012-10-06 04:26:07 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.

Ok, I apologize for the fact that I said "Your kids are not my problem."

Oh wait, that was you. I await your apology.

I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.

We-built-this-like typing detected.

I-didn't-read-the-context-of-your-posts-like typing detected.


The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine." You are pretending that you and your family can succeed no matter how stupid the rest of society becomes.
 
2012-10-06 04:27:04 PM  

lennavan: That actually happened -


I know that actually happened. That's why I know you're trolling, and I'm going to stop wasting my time with serious replies.

NOBODY thinks "paying my taxes" is the same thing as "doing what I, as a responsible citizen, should be doing to help your children." Except idiots and trolls, that is. Either way, good luck with that.
 
2012-10-06 04:28:07 PM  

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Yeah that's not how elections work. Derp wins elections because as it turns out, our country is full of idiots.

Yeah. I saw this one idiot on the internet today that said "Your kids are not my problem."

The rest of the thread laughed at him and pointed out how he was an idiot, but he just kept doubling down on it. It was freaking hilarious.

I saw this idiot today who said me paying taxes to society was not enough and I need to do more for his kids.


So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?
 
2012-10-06 04:28:40 PM  

justtray: There's no such thing as organized or militant atheists.


What are you talking about? There are heaps of atheist organizations out there! There are global organizations, national organizations, state groups, local groups, conventions; heck, there's even an atheist PAC!

enlightenthevote.com
 
2012-10-06 04:28:59 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."


The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."
 
2012-10-06 04:30:46 PM  

GilRuiz1: justtray: There's no such thing as organized or militant atheists.

What are you talking about? There are heaps of atheist organizations out there! There are global organizations, national organizations, state groups, local groups, conventions; heck, there's even an atheist PAC!

[enlightenthevote.com image 236x89]


The point is, there's THOUSANDS of those groups. Not one, like with religions.
 
2012-10-06 04:32:26 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: The way I'm reading this is: you're saying we live in a democracy (a democratic republic, whatever), yet that democracy never decided that two states (Texass and California) would control the majority of the content of all the states' textbooks.

Do you think the government publishes textbooks? Holy crap dude.


Not who would print them, but who would decide content.

Why are you changing the subject?

I said the democracy never decided that a minority would decide who would choose the textbook content for the majority. The right to decide the content of textbooks has never been voted on (by the people themselves or their representatives in Congress) nor has it been ruled on by the Supremes or proclaimed in an Executive Order. So, how did Texass and California get to decide the content of the entire nation's school textbooks?
 
2012-10-06 04:32:29 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?


Why does everything have to be so absolute? I either have to care about every farking last detail, or not care at all? Holy crap dude. I live in Illinois. Federal dollars help fund our schools. How many hours of science does a 3rd grader get per week in Illinois public schools? Wait, you don't know? Are you saying you don't care how your taxes are spent?
 
2012-10-06 04:32:43 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."


actually the tone was closer to "wake up and invest some time in your kids and their education"...

/having been my original question and all...
 
2012-10-06 04:32:50 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: cman: Am I the only one who gets the vibe that this has more to do with left/right partisanship rather than doing what is right?

Well, it's only the right that wants to destroy science education (except some derp on the extreme left).

Yeah, if the left wanted to replace traditional American history with, say, Zinn (as opposed to using Zinn as a supplement to traditional history) then I'd have a problem with the left as well. But I think this is more of a college than K-12 issue.


I would gladly welcome Jon Kabat-Zinn books into our public schools.
 
2012-10-06 04:33:52 PM  

Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.


i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 04:34:51 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Why are you changing the subject?


I'm not, you clearly do not understand how the system works.

GreatGlavinsGhost: Not who would print them, but who would decide content.


The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase. No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.

GreatGlavinsGhost: I said the democracy never decided that a minority would decide who would choose the textbook content for the majority.


See how far away from reality you are? I'm guessing you were educated in Texas.
 
2012-10-06 04:35:22 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]


Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday
 
2012-10-06 04:36:06 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."


Funny, I don't see that sentiment anywhere in the thread.
 
2012-10-06 04:36:41 PM  

cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday


Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.
 
2012-10-06 04:37:11 PM  

Nobodyn0se: GilRuiz1: justtray: There's no such thing as organized or militant atheists.

What are you talking about? There are heaps of atheist organizations out there! There are global organizations, national organizations, state groups, local groups, conventions; heck, there's even an atheist PAC!

[enlightenthevote.com image 236x89]

The point is, there's THOUSANDS of those groups. Not one, like with religions.


Thank you, I guess I wasn't clear enough to prevent ridiculous cherry picking. If it's still confusing, the point to be taken is atheism is not a religion. The only shared principle is that we don't believe in 'God,' by definition.
 
2012-10-06 04:37:11 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]

Communists arent militant? Wow, learn something new everyday


FFS autocorrect, why must you hate me? Fixt
 
2012-10-06 04:37:45 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]


A friend of a friend (who is a militant Christian) posted that to his Facebook wall. My friend (very non-Christian) asked him why he had posted that particular cartoon, as it is making fun of Militant Christians. The other guy responded with something along the lines of "this cartoon shows that the dirty Muslims kill people indiscriminately, while the Christians only kill in the defense of others!"

I shiat you not.
 
2012-10-06 04:37:48 PM  

sno man: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

actually the tone was closer to "wake up and invest some time in your kids and their education"...

/having been my original question and all...


That's how I took it too. And my response was "fark you, I did wake up and invest time in my kids and their education." Apparently I am supposed to apologize for not waking up and investing time in other kids educations as well.

I bet all of these internet crusaders here are doing a lot of things about it too like organizing protests and registering voters and knocking on doors and contacting publishers, right everyone biatching about how me paying taxes isn't enough?
 
2012-10-06 04:38:08 PM  

Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.


Communists are intolerant of religious people.
 
2012-10-06 04:38:37 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?

Why does everything have to be so absolute? I either have to care about every farking last detail, or not care at all? Holy crap dude. I live in Illinois. Federal dollars help fund our schools. How many hours of science does a 3rd grader get per week in Illinois public schools? Wait, you don't know? Are you saying you don't care how your taxes are spent?


Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.
 
2012-10-06 04:39:35 PM  

cman: cman: Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]

Communists arent militant? Wow, learn something new everyday

FFS autocorrect, why must you hate me? Fixt


Nope, it's still stupid.
 
2012-10-06 04:39:48 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: Kurmudgeon: Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

[i560.photobucket.com image 475x336]

Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday


Were you looking at the same cartoon I was?

/and no, in and of that, no more than Capitalists are.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:19 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.


Communism is not a religion.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:54 PM  

justtray: cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.

Communism is not a religion.


And neither is Atheism.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:57 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

Funny, I don't see that sentiment anywhere in the thread.


I know you don't. That was the original context of what I was replying to, it has been amazingly clear you were completely oblivious to it.

sno man: As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?


I pulled my kids from public school making huge sacrifices so they could attend private school, pay my taxes and vote in every single election. What the fark else do you want me to do? Again, your kid is not my responsibility. The public school where my kid used to go sucks ass. By a huge majority, none of the parents cared. When did it become my responsibility to care for them and what's more, what exactly do you think I can do about it when none of them give a shiat and vote against me anyways?

The answer to my question earlier - zero. 3rd graders get zero science whatsoever. I was probably the only parent who gave a shiat in the entire school.
 
2012-10-06 04:42:13 PM  

Nobodyn0se: I shiat you not.


I find that very easy to believe ... which is kinda sad.
 
2012-10-06 04:43:06 PM  

AlanSmithee: Alas, the movie itself is a a very depressing doc.
It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.



Sadly for that very reason I don't think I could watch. I might go postal. And I'm not a postman.
 
2012-10-06 04:43:16 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: So once you have paid your taxes, you don't care how the money is spent?

Why does everything have to be so absolute? I either have to care about every farking last detail, or not care at all? Holy crap dude. I live in Illinois. Federal dollars help fund our schools. How many hours of science does a 3rd grader get per week in Illinois public schools? Wait, you don't know? Are you saying you don't care how your taxes are spent?

Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.



Actually it does when the number of hours is zero, dipshiat. Way to clearly demonstrate you don't care how your tax dollars are spent. Indeed, it seems you care less than me. I can't wait for the thread to jump on you.
 
2012-10-06 04:43:29 PM  

Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB


Thank you for that.
 
2012-10-06 04:44:16 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.


Stop feeding the troll. At this point, he's either incapable of getting it or he doesn't want to get it. Just let it go.
 
2012-10-06 04:45:21 PM  

CptnSpldng: Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB

Thank you for that.


No problem! You can find more info on Facebook. Just search for "Judy Jennings" and you can like her candidate page.
 
2012-10-06 04:45:48 PM  

justtray: justtray: cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.

Communism is not a religion.

And neither is Atheism.


It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides
 
2012-10-06 04:45:52 PM  
I think the dumbing-down of education is not just an American phenomenon. It's happening all across the western world, as politicians begin to realize what the third-world warlords and politicians have known all along: That their lives are better with the working class being dumber than a bag of bricks, and more obedient than a lap dog.

There's only a few countries that vehemently try to oppose this: France does, the people in Spain are also fighting against it. But in many ways, America is the biggest representative of this problem because America is the Modern Rome: Full military might, a culture and society that is well-known, and a scope of control well beyond its borders.

I like to point out on this scene in God Bless America as a warning to all Americans that, in the end, the world can't afford a nation of bigoted idiots, because you have access to enough nuclear arsenal to turn the planet into a wasteland (although we're all already doing so because of pollution).
 
2012-10-06 04:46:29 PM  

lennavan: The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase.


What criteria do they use to decide which texts they will purchase?

lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.


I think perhaps it is you who is naive about the way things work.
 
2012-10-06 04:47:09 PM  

cman: Communists are intolerant of religious people.


So are other religious people. That doesn't mean communism = atheism.

Tea-spoon mode:

Atheism is nothing more than not believing in gods. That's all it is. Nothing more.

Communism is an entire ideology, of which atheism is just one small facet.
 
2012-10-06 04:47:39 PM  

GhostFish: But I digress. Could be an interesting watch, but I think it will be preaching to the choir.
I don't think the creationists and anti-intellectuals have a fighting chance.
Their children are being raised in the information age, and their entire social experience is now built around "Hey, look at this thing I found on the internet!"


I guess my concern is that the above bolded scenario isn't happening. (see: Secret Muslim Birth Certificate) Maybe this will change with the next generation where the internet is always around, but I would bet the bullshiat detection will probably only be limited to internet-related policies (i.e. SOPA/PIPA, etc.). I think the change that really needs to happen is less tolerance for bullshiat, debunked beliefs being on par with factually-backed beliefs, even if the internet will still provide a forum/echo chamber for said bullshiat, debunked beliefs.
 
2012-10-06 04:48:53 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Seriously people need to get their dirty little hands out of K-12 education. Score your damn political points somewhere else.

/BTW - what bright young new college graduate actually wants to teach in a public school? Masochists maybe?


The kind that can get a bunch of their student loan debt forgiven for doing so.
 
2012-10-06 04:49:08 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Knowing exactly how many hours of a subject is being taught != knowing that children are being taught complete lies on a widespread basis.

Stop feeding the troll. At this point, he's either incapable of getting it or he doesn't want to get it. Just let it go.


But I've got so much food! And he's so hungry! Arrrrrrrrrgh!
 
2012-10-06 04:49:44 PM  

ptraillz: vrax: Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

WTF is a fundie atheist?!

He means the fundie atheists that come to your door and attempt to get you to turn away from god in the middle of a goddamn Tuesday afternoon when you're just trying to watch a little Maury.


That's when I turn and point to the painting of Jesus in the entry way and ask them, "If there is no god, then how did I get this photograph of him?!" They just walk away shaking their heads. Hooo-wee, that logic gets them every time!
 
2012-10-06 04:50:16 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides



Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:11 PM  

lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

Funny, I don't see that sentiment anywhere in the thread.

I know you don't. That was the original context of what I was replying to, it has been amazingly clear you were completely oblivious to it.

sno man: As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I pulled my kids from public school making huge sacrifices so they could attend private school, pay my taxes and vote in every single election. What the fark else do you want me to do? Again, your kid is not my responsibility. The public school where my kid used to go sucks ass. By a huge majority, none of the parents cared. When did it become my responsibility to care for them and what's more, what exactly do you think I can do about it when none of them give a shiat and vote against me anyways?

The answer to my question earlier - zero. 3rd graders get zero science whatsoever. I was probably the only parent who gave a shiat in the entire school.


That still doesn't change the fact that it is better to teach them nothing at all than to teach them falsehoods.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:27 PM  

FloydA: AlanSmithee: Nobodyn0se:

I really appreciate your interest in this. It's a big deal for my family (obviously), but so many people don't udnerstand how the TSBoE affects the entire country.

Damn, it won't allow Canadian contributions. Well, I hope someone here will gladly donate a $100.

Done. I'm really tapped this month, but I threw in $100 anyway. This is important.


You're a good man, Nobodyn0se. On my end, I'm donating $100 to the Museum of Evolution and Paleontology in Montreal.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:28 PM  

Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.


Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:45 PM  

lennavan: sno man: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: The context of all of your posts is "fark you, I got mine."

The original question was "fark all you parents for doing nothing about your kids."

actually the tone was closer to "wake up and invest some time in your kids and their education"...

/having been my original question and all...

That's how I took it too. And my response was "fark you, I did wake up and invest time in my kids and their education." Apparently I am supposed to apologize for not waking up and investing time in other kids educations as well.

I bet all of these internet crusaders here are doing a lot of things about it too like organizing protests and registering voters and knocking on doors and contacting publishers, right everyone biatching about how me paying taxes isn't enough?


I'd imagine many are doing some something, and to be fair you knew what you typed was going to get a lot of bites.
If everyone takes just a little more time in their kids education, all the kids will benefit in the long run.
Texas get to make these choices because nearly everywhere else has wee little school boards for each municipality, so what about having each state amalgamate it's various boards and start making there own curriculum demands? With enough critical (sane) mass Texas is no longer the big player, and taa daa nearly derpless textbooks!
 
2012-10-06 04:52:51 PM  

justtray: Communism is not a religion.


In theory, no. In practice, communist states often end up with infallible leaders, and to me that blurs the line to religion. Best Korea, for example, is a communist state that has degenerated to a theocracy.

Meet your heavenly father:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-06 04:53:19 PM  

AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se. On my end, I'm donating $100 to the Museum of Evolution and Paleontology in Montreal.


Thank you. This thread (with one notable exception) has done its part to restore my faith in humanity :)
 
2012-10-06 04:53:29 PM  

AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se


Oops, I meantFloydA. But I'm sure you're an okay person too, Mr. nobodyn0se.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:14 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase.

What criteria do they use to decide which texts they will purchase?


Whatever the hell they want.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:27 PM  
collider.com

No, this is it.
 
2012-10-06 04:55:25 PM  

AlanSmithee: Oops, I meantFloydA.


:(
 
2012-10-06 04:55:30 PM  

justtray: justtray: cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.

Communism is not a religion.

And neither is Atheism.


Science cannot disprove the existence God; nor can religion invalidate science, so long as people on both sides of the argument remain rational. When either side abandons pragmatic reason for fanaticism, no one wins.

The proponents "militant Atheism" are no less tiring than "militant Theism".
 
2012-10-06 04:56:30 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: The government does not decide content. The government decides which texts they will purchase.

What criteria do they use to decide which texts they will purchase?

Whatever the hell they want.


Could content be one of them?
 
2012-10-06 04:56:47 PM  

had98c: Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.

Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.


So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it? If I don't know if there is a god (are gods) then I am a doubter + thereby not a theist, therefore I am an atheist? Or am I misunderstanding?

/If that's what you're saying, ok, but I think it helps to distinguish between atheists who are certain that there is no god and atheists who admit that they just don't know. Is that an acceptable distinction?
 
2012-10-06 04:56:52 PM  

nmemkha: Science cannot disprove the existence God;


It doesn't have to.

nmemkha: The proponents "militant Atheism" are no less tiring than "militant Theism".


Nobodyn0se: Yeah, remember that time those atheists killed thousands of people in terrorist attacks? Remember when atheists took over the country's law making bodies and put laws on the books to discriminate against theists?

Me neither.

 
2012-10-06 04:57:15 PM  
I wake up a little earlier than usual, because I work midnights, and I see this dumbass in the trailer for this movie and now I'm filled with rage at his ignorance.

Thanks subby.
 
2012-10-06 04:57:43 PM  

lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.


That's not how the system works.
 
2012-10-06 04:58:30 PM  
No.
 
2012-10-06 04:59:17 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it?


No, I'm saying "gnosticism/Agnosticism" is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.

Every single person on the planet is either a theist or an atheist, and every single person is either a gnostic or an agnostic. There are four different resulting possibilities there. But agnosticism is IN NO WAY a third choice between atheism and theism.

Answer these two questions:

1. Do you currently believe in a God?

2. Do you think the questions of God is knowable or unknowable?
 
2012-10-06 05:00:29 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: had98c: Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.

Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.

So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it? If I don't know if there is a god (are gods) then I am a doubter + thereby not a theist, therefore I am an atheist? Or am I misunderstanding?

/If that's what you're saying, ok, but I think it helps to distinguish between atheists who are certain that there is no god and atheists who admit that they just don't know. Is that an acceptable distinction?


Ones that claim not to know are agnostic atheists. Ones that claim that knowledge are gnostic atheists. That's the distinction. It works for theists too. Agnostic theist = I believe, but don't know, gnostic theist = I believe, and I know.
 
2012-10-06 05:00:35 PM  

nmemkha: Science cannot disprove the existence God; nor can religion invalidate science, so long as people on both sides of the argument remain rational. When either side abandons pragmatic reason for fanaticism, no one wins.


You don't often hear of scientists attempting to disprove god. While you have a decent point, I'm thinkin these two things are not equal.
 
2012-10-06 05:00:41 PM  

Nobodyn0se:
Nobodyn0se: Yeah, remember that time those atheists killed thousands of people in terrorist attacks? Remember when atheists took over the country's law making bodies and put laws on the books to discriminate against theists?

Me neither.


What about people who have done those things for "the greater good", country, or any other belief system. Should we condemn Patriotism because some people have commit atrocities under its flag?
 
2012-10-06 05:00:53 PM  

AlanSmithee: AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se

Oops, I meantFloydA. But I'm sure you're an okay person too, Mr. nobodyn0se.


Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.
 
2012-10-06 05:01:44 PM  
lennavan:You don't often hear of scientists attempting to disprove god.

Ahem:

upload.wikimedia.org

There are many many many more if you want.
 
2012-10-06 05:02:51 PM  

nmemkha: What about people who have done those things for "the greater good", country, or any other belief system.


I don't know. What about them?

nmemkha: Should we condemn Patriotism because some people have commit atrocities under its flag?


We should condemn the type of patriotism that drives people to commit atrocities ("militant patriotism"), yes. How is that even a question?
 
2012-10-06 05:03:25 PM  

nmemkha: Science cannot disprove the existence God;


Nor does it have to. Until the theists cough up some tangible evidence of the existence of a god, there is nothing that needs to be disproven.

i560.photobucket.com

nor can religion invalidate science,

Because science is real and religion is not.

so long as people on both sides of the argument remain rational. When either side abandons pragmatic reason for fanaticism, no one wins.

You can't be religious in this day and age without letting go of at least some of your pragmatic reasoning. NTTAWWT, mind you, as long as you don't try to turn your fairy tales into law or curriculum.
 
2012-10-06 05:03:28 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.


I DO!
 
2012-10-06 05:04:00 PM  

King Something: lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.

So, you got yours and f*ck other people, huh.


My town didn't have its own high school, so the kids from the elementary school were able to attend any local high school they wanted in the area, with the state picking up the tab, and two of them were private schools.

The trouble was, one of those private schools actually had LOWER educational standards than state public school standards. (A passing grade was 50%.) So all the idiots, school bullies, and Special Snowflakes went to that school. The result was not unlike Bulworth Academy - a school where the teachers had zero control over their classes, no college would look at them twice, and you were guaranteed a lucrative career in the fast-food industry upon graduation. Most students just folded back into their parents' family farms and perpetuated the cycle of ignorance and inbreeding for another generation.

The current governor is trying to get online education and charter schools in this state - the first two charter schools opened today - which would be an awesome way to save money so long as you don't give a damn about educational standards. I foresee the quality of education in this state going to shiat unless there's a provision that states that "school choice" includes at the very least the mediocre standard of education that a public school provides. I don't think we can stand to get any dumber.
 
2012-10-06 05:04:09 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Do you believe in a deity or deities?
If not, you are an atheist.

Agnosticism isn't some middle ground.

Being agnostic means that you believe that the factual truth of the existence of God is unknown and likely unknowable. Most atheists are agnostics. In fact, many/most Christians probably are too.

Atheism is not a belief that there is no god. That is more along the lines of Antitheism.
Antitheists are atheists, but not all atheists are antitheists. Just as tigers are cats, but not all cats are tigers.

I don't mean to go off on you or anything. But words have meanings, and while language is fluid and meanings can change I think it's problematic when that change reduces the overall vocabulary. When you say X means Y but provide no new word for Y, I think we have a problem.
 
2012-10-06 05:04:51 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: had98c: Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides


Agnosticism is not a third choice in between theism and atheism. Every single person on the planet is either an atheist or a theist. By definition.

Was going to point this out but since it always seems to fall on deaf ears didn't bother. Good luck.

So you're saying agnostics are atheists who don't want to admit it? If I don't know if there is a god (are gods) then I am a doubter + thereby not a theist, therefore I am an atheist? Or am I misunderstanding?

/If that's what you're saying, ok, but I think it helps to distinguish between atheists who are certain that there is no god and atheists who admit that they just don't know. Is that an acceptable distinction?


It's more like you believe there is no god, but you lack concrete knowledge that there is, in fact, no god. The first part would be addressed by atheism the second would be addressed by agnosticism. At least that's how I understand it. Which I freely admit could be partially or wholly incorrect. YMMV and so on.
 
2012-10-06 05:06:09 PM  

vrax: It's more like you believe there is no god,


Close. Atheism isn't "belief that there is no God." It's "Lack of belief in God."

There is a distinct difference.
 
2012-10-06 05:06:57 PM  

nmemkha: Ahem:


What I got from that book was that he wasn't intending to disprove god, just demonstrate that the probability of the existence of a god is so small that it isn't worth considering.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:00 PM  

Nobodyn0se: nmemkha: What about people who have done those things for "the greater good", country, or any other belief system.

I don't know. What about them?

nmemkha: Should we condemn Patriotism because some people have commit atrocities under its flag?

We should condemn the type of patriotism that drives people to commit atrocities ("militant patriotism"), yes. How is that even a question?


Its demonstrates your example is cherry picked. Humans do terrible things for a variety of irrational reasons with one reason being religious faith. So statement boils down to "religious people do terrible things, just like everyone else". Not a very compelling argument.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:39 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.

That's not how the system works.


To move forward, you'll need a working understanding of capitalism. There's a difference between wanting to maximize profits by only developing a single textbook and being forced to publish exactly what the local school board in Texas says.

By the way, look at the edits being made versus what the textbook companies biatch about. Exactly how different do you think the Texas textbook would be from one we'd prefer up in the Northern states? The company seems to want you to think they would be 100% different.

Ultimately, the argument you are making is a financial one. A simple solution - according to your article, producing a new textbook would be $5 million. Nothing is stopping the blue states from getting together, splitting the $5 million cost and developing their own science text. I'd love my tax dollars to go to something like that.

I get it you want to blame Texas. Indeed Texas sucks. But Texas is not the only problem here and trying to sway Texans has to be about the least likely to succeed solution possible. Just ask Nobodyn0se.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:58 PM  

Uncle Tractor: nmemkha: Ahem:

What I got from that book was that he wasn't intending to disprove god, just demonstrate that the probability of the existence of a god is so small that it isn't worth considering.


LOL the very title purposefully provocative and Dawkins views are well know. Try again.
 
2012-10-06 05:08:01 PM  

GhostFish: AliceBToklasLives: It is not. But do us agnostics ever get bad PR?

/except pissing off both sides

Do you believe in a deity or deities?
If not, you are an atheist.

Agnosticism isn't some middle ground.

Being agnostic means that you believe that the factual truth of the existence of God is unknown and likely unknowable. Most atheists are agnostics. In fact, many/most Christians probably are too.

Atheism is not a belief that there is no god. That is more along the lines of Antitheism.
Antitheists are atheists, but not all atheists are antitheists. Just as tigers are cats, but not all cats are tigers.

I don't mean to go off on you or anything. But words have meanings, and while language is fluid and meanings can change I think it's problematic when that change reduces the overall vocabulary. When you say X means Y but provide no new word for Y, I think we have a problem.


Generalizations is something that our language has a problem with. A man knocks up a 15 year old girl he is called a pedophile, when pedophilia is a term for a younger girl. Whenever someone plays Electronic Dance Music, everyone complains that techno sucks.
 
2012-10-06 05:08:08 PM  

cman: Uncle Tractor: cman: Communists arent militaristic? Wow, learn something new everyday

Oh, look; another moran who doesn't know the difference between communism and atheism.

Communists are intolerant of religious people.


That's not really accurate.

There are many communists who are themselves deeply religious. The entirety of liberation theology, the Catholic Worker Movement, Padre Gustavo Gutiérrez, Edward Bellamy, and arguably even Jesus could be called "communists," but are certainly not atheists.

Further, there were and are communists who were not at all critical of religion, even if they were not religious themselves. Something like 1/3 of the population of China follow Shenist and/or Taoist religion, and another 15-20% or so are Buddhists. Insofar as the religions do not act as a source of authority that confronts the government, the government doesn't seem to care too much.

I know that Stalin is usually cited as an example of a communist who attacked religion, but that's a severe over-simplification of the events. The history of the church in the Soviet Union is quite complex, and to some extent, the Russian Orthodox church (under Sergius I of Moscow) even officially endorsed Soviet authority. Americans typically hear only a very simplistic, almost cartoonish, version of Soviet history, and that's one of the reasons we never really understood them (which is one of the reasons so many of us grew up terrified of them). The real history of the USSR was far more complex (and far more interesting) than "bad guys doing evil."
 
2012-10-06 05:08:33 PM  

lennavan: As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that.



Do you not see the irony of saying the education of others is of no concern to you yet you will bemoan their lack of knowledge?
 
2012-10-06 05:08:34 PM  

nmemkha: Its demonstrates your example is cherry picked. Humans do terrible things for a variety of irrational reasons with one reason being religious faith. So statement boils down to "religious people do terrible things, just like everyone else". Not a very compelling argument.


That's a very nice strawman you've built there. Good job knocking it down. If you'd like to argue against what I'm actually arguing for, let me know. Otherwise, I'll just sit back and watch, k?
 
2012-10-06 05:08:41 PM  
I've seen this somewhere before...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 05:10:08 PM  

nmemkha: LOL the very title purposefully provocative and Dawkins views are well know. Try again.


A provocative title sells better. Also, believing in something one can't prove is a tad delusional.

As for Dawkin's views ... what are they again? (in your opinion)
 
2012-10-06 05:10:46 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.

I DO!


You know the truth, but are you telling us truth? What are you hiding? Deep thoughts. Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?
 
2012-10-06 05:11:17 PM  

Nobodyn0se: vrax: It's more like you believe there is no god,

Close. Atheism isn't "belief that there is no God." It's "Lack of belief in God."

There is a distinct difference.


Yes, sorry, conflating my thoughts there.
 
2012-10-06 05:11:31 PM  
Here's the former chairman on Colbert: Link, with magic rock goodness
 
2012-10-06 05:11:32 PM  
www.obeythefist.com
 
2012-10-06 05:11:51 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Well, we can speculate, but nobody knows for certain.

I DO!

You know the truth, but are you telling us truth? What are you hiding? Deep thoughts. Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?


I ran out of "the"s right before that post.
 
2012-10-06 05:12:16 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You know the truth, but are you telling us truth?


No :(

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What are you hiding?


My porn collection, for one.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?


DON'T YOU DARE SUMMON HIM!
 
2012-10-06 05:12:56 PM  

had98c: Ones that claim not to know are agnostic atheists. Ones that claim that knowledge are gnostic atheists. That's the distinction. It works for theists too. Agnostic theist = I believe, but don't know, gnostic theist = I believe, and I know.


ok, ok, I get it - so the distinction I am trying to make is between gnostic atheists and agnostic atheists. Fine. I think that's an important distinction.

Nobodyn0se: No, I'm saying "gnosticism/Agnosticism" is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING.

Every single person on the planet is either a theist or an atheist, and every single person is either a gnostic or an agnostic. There are four different resulting possibilities there. But agnosticism is IN NO WAY a third choice between atheism and theism.


So your solution to someone who gets something wrong is TO YELL AT THEM.

Sorry. I don't know everything. I'm agnostic after all. Mea culpa.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:05 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: No one is forcing the private textbook companies to print derp. Nothing is forcing the blue states from purchasing derpy textbooks and nothing is stopping a new textbook company from publishing a textbook that matches reality.

That's not how the system works.

To move forward, you'll need a working understanding of capitalism.


Originally, you argued that the problem was democracy; that we weren't voting enough of the right people in. Now you're saying the problem is market forces.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:18 PM  

Rich Cream: lennavan: As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that.

Do you not see the irony of saying the education of others is of no concern to you yet you will bemoan their lack of knowledge?


I see the irony in you posting about a lack of knowledge, while clearly demonstrating you have no clue what I am saying.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:44 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?


I was half-expecting EmaciatedCranium to show up. He's probably too busy fapping at that poster.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:46 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: So your solution to someone who gets something wrong is TO YELL AT THEM.

Sorry. I don't know everything. I'm agnostic after all. Mea culpa.


Wasn't trying to yell. Was trying to emphasize. Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.
 
2012-10-06 05:14:56 PM  

lennavan: I see the irony in you posting about a lack of knowledge, while clearly demonstrating you have no clue what I am saying.


TROLLOLOLOLOLOL!
 
2012-10-06 05:15:22 PM  

AlanSmithee: AlanSmithee: You're a good man, Nobodyn0se

Oops, I meantFloydA. But I'm sure you're an okay person too, Mr. nobodyn0se.


Nah. Nobodyn0se is the good man. I'm just some schlub who's been earning a much better paycheck for the past few years than ever before in my life, and I haven't quite figured out how to be a greedy, self-centered, stingy bastard yet, so I don't know what else to do with the money. ;-)
 
2012-10-06 05:16:06 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Originally, you argued that the problem was democracy; that we weren't voting enough of the right people in. Now you're saying the problem is market forces.


Originally I argued the problem was Democracy because I was talking about who chooses the textbooks and curriculum for schools. You then began discussing who decides content in textbooks and because a private, for profit company decides content, and content is driven by book sales. I tried my very best to tell you that elected officials do not decide content and that its the companies that have the final say but you were having none of it. So that forced us to talk about market forces. How the fark can you not follow this?
 
2012-10-06 05:17:37 PM  

FloydA: Nah. Nobodyn0se is the good man.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-06 05:19:03 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.


That's someone who doesn't believe in ntagons, right?
 
2012-10-06 05:19:41 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You know the truth, but are you telling us truth?

No :(

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What are you hiding?

My porn collection, for one.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?

DON'T YOU DARE SUMMON HIM!


Don't worry, I will only ever say it once, and I'm nowhere near a mirror.
 
2012-10-06 05:20:21 PM  

FloydA: Nobodyn0se: Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.

That's someone who doesn't believe in ntagons, right?


Ba-Dum-TISH!
 
2012-10-06 05:20:33 PM  

FloydA: Nobodyn0se: Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.

That's someone who doesn't believe in ntagons, right?


I think that's a Scientology thing.
 
2012-10-06 05:22:25 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Nobodyn0se: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: You know the truth, but are you telling us truth?

No :(

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What are you hiding?

My porn collection, for one.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?

DON'T YOU DARE SUMMON HIM!

Don't worry, I will only ever say it once, and I'm nowhere near a mirror.


You have to say his name potato times for the summoning.
 
2012-10-06 05:23:35 PM  

vrax: You have to say his name potato times for the summoning.


Aaaaaand "Funny"ed.
 
2012-10-06 05:24:18 PM  

Nobodyn0se: AliceBToklasLives: So your solution to someone who gets something wrong is TO YELL AT THEM.

Sorry. I don't know everything. I'm agnostic after all. Mea culpa.

Wasn't trying to yell. Was trying to emphasize. Sorry if I came off as being antagonistic.


It's ok - sorry to get so offended - I still love you Nobodyn0se :) Hugs.
 
2012-10-06 05:24:27 PM  

Uncle Tractor: Also, believing in something one can't prove is a tad delusional.

That's the foundation of any faith - that there is more to existence that the tangible world. A good chuck of humanity have held this singular irrationality since we stopped squatting in fields poking berries up our noses. Humans are inherently superstitious creatures. A fact I doubt would change even if every religion on earth was abolished.

 
2012-10-06 05:25:04 PM  

nmemkha: Uncle Tractor: Also, believing in something one can't prove is a tad delusional.


That's the foundation of any faith - that there is more to existence that the tangible world. A good chuck of humanity have held this singular irrationality since we stopped squatting in fields poking berries up our noses. Humans are inherently superstitious creatures. A fact I doubt would change even if every religion on earth was abolished.
 
2012-10-06 05:26:59 PM  
For my money, this is the issue: if this country is to remain a world power, do we want children to be taught the nonsense that the earth is 6000 years old, or to be taught about current geologic, evolutionary and biological theory? The latter course will prepare our children to make advances that will help us compete, and the former will turn us into a country of scared, angry, Honey Boo-Boos. It doesn't matter if your children go to public or private schools. It's the society they will inherit that matters.
 
2012-10-06 05:27:00 PM  

nmemkha: That's the foundation of any faith - that there is more to existence that the tangible world.


Exactly what he was saying. Delusional.
 
2012-10-06 05:27:43 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I see the irony in you posting about a lack of knowledge, while clearly demonstrating you have no clue what I am saying.

TROLLOLOLOLOLOL!


You gotta be shiattin me. I posted I send my kid to private school, you replied with I'm for abusing kids and I'm the troll? Dude, I get you're personally involved, so I'm gonna give you a pass. But holy crap, when you look back at this after you're no longer all jacked up on poutrage, you're gonna feel silly.

sno man: That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?


lennavan: I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.


Nobodyn0se: How about "make sure they are educated, fed, given proper healthcare, and not neglected, beaten, abused, sexually assaulted, or discriminated against"? That would be the proper thing to do for other people (especially children) in your society.


AliceBToklasLives: No no no. We are rugged individualists. If we work together*, we're socialists. So, fark other people's kids.

*except slaughter brown people - we can work together to do God's work


You all caught me. When I someone asked what was I doing about it and I said I send my kids to private school, what I was really saying is I'm for abusing, neglecting, starving and discriminating against kids while slaughtering brown people. You can definitely tell I'm the troll and you're the reasonable ones.
 
2012-10-06 05:29:04 PM  

AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.


Why bother? Let them spread their ignorant ideas. More jobs for the smart people.
 
2012-10-06 05:30:11 PM  

Nobodyn0se: nmemkha: That's the foundation of any faith - that there is more to existence that the tangible world.

Exactly what he was saying. Delusional.


And yet people still believe. In light of all the evidence they still believe. And, we not talking a small minority. The majority of humans on on the planet are either theists or agnostic.
 
2012-10-06 05:30:55 PM  

lennavan: I posted I send my kid to private school, you replied with I'm for abusing kids and I'm the troll?



I live with my mom

Seriously man, NOBODY is going to believe the above after reading our conversation, in which it was CLEARLY the "I don't care about anyone's kids but my own" comment that spurred everyone to start making fun of you. Nobody with an IQ above room temperature is going to believe that we're all making fun of you just because you send your kids to public school.

If you're going to troll, do it right.
 
2012-10-06 05:31:40 PM  

mr intrepid: For my money, this is the issue: if this country is to remain a world power, do we want children to be taught the nonsense that the earth is 6000 years old, or to be taught about current geologic, evolutionary and biological theory? The latter course will prepare our children to make advances that will help us compete, and the former will turn us into a country of scared, angry, Honey Boo-Boos. It doesn't matter if your children go to public or private schools. It's the society they will inherit that matters.


Wait, is this an education thread?

/incidentally, plenty of Christians who are totally down with teaching current geological, evolutionary, and biological theory. It's a minority of those folks who are the problem.
 
2012-10-06 05:32:16 PM  

nmemkha: And yet people still believe.


Well, we've identified the problem. Now how do we fix it?
 
2012-10-06 05:32:27 PM  

nmemkha: either theists or agnostic.


uh oh
 
2012-10-06 05:33:28 PM  

Flying Lasagna Monster: [www.moviegoods.com image 500x738] 

This was a VERY influential movie poster when I was a teen.


Yeah, but technically shouldn't it be "I Still Know What You Did Summer Before Last"?
 
2012-10-06 05:35:09 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Seriously man, NOBODY is going to believe the above after reading our conversation


I actually quoted the entire conversation, in context, in that post.

Nobodyn0se: it was CLEARLY the "I don't care about anyone's kids but my own"


I'm sure you've got a quote for that, right? Like I said, I get you're dug in. You're personally invested in this very topic in Texas and you're really energized about it. Good, I'm glad you are. Just watch the friendly fire there dude, I'm not the person suing your mom. I'm not sorry I'm not willing to drive down to Texas to help your kids out and that doesn't mean I'm pro-child abuse. No one is forcing you to be a dick. Funny that you choose to be one.


lennavan: sno man: That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

lennavan: I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.

Nobodyn0se: How about "make sure they are educated, fed, given proper healthcare, and not neglected, beaten, abused, sexually assaulted, or discriminated against"? That would be the proper thing to do for other people (especially children) in your society.

AliceBToklasLives: No no no. We are rugged individualists. If we work together*, we're socialists. So, fark other people's kids.

*except slaughter brown people - we can work together to do God's work

 
2012-10-06 05:37:05 PM  

AlanSmithee: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Where's SkinnyCabeza when we need him most?

I was half-expecting EmaciatedCranium to show up. He's probably too busy fapping at that poster.


The RNC gave him the weekend off.
 
2012-10-06 05:37:34 PM  

King Something: lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.

So, you got yours and f*ck other people, huh.


Heh, exactly. Seems like my label for him -- "pretending to be liberal" -- is as accurate as ever.
 
2012-10-06 05:38:54 PM  

lennavan: I actually quoted the entire conversation, in context, in that post.


TROLLOLOLOLOLOL!

lennavan: Your kids are not my problem.


Nobodyn0se: This, right here, is a perfect example of what's wrong with our country today.

We are a society. Start farking acting like it.


lennavan: Do tell me, what exactly do you want me to do about his kids? Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught? Should I tell his teachers what the appropriate class material is? What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?


Nobodyn0se: How about "make sure they are educated, fed, given proper healthcare, and not neglected, beaten, abused, sexually assaulted, or discriminated against"? That would be the proper thing to do for other people (especially children) in your society.


lennavan: I'm sorry you think it is my duty to raise your kids for you.


lennavan: What is wrong about that statement? You think I have an obligation to other parents kids?

 
2012-10-06 05:39:09 PM  

vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!


I think they call themselves Atheism Plus, those zealots will turn your shiat white.
 
2012-10-06 05:41:14 PM  

WI241TH: Here's the former chairman on Colbert: Link, with magic rock goodness


I don't know what's more disturbing. The fact that Don McLeroy was the Chairman of the Texas Board of Education or the fact that people think that Jeff Dunham is funny.
 
2012-10-06 05:42:08 PM  

halfof33: vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!

I think they call themselves Atheism Plus, those zealots will turn your shiat white.


Ugh, don't even bring up that Atheism Plus crap. Bunch of people that say "oh atheism is ONLY a non-belief in deity claims" then turn around and say "oh and we're also for all these other causes that are completely unrelated".
 
2012-10-06 05:43:14 PM  
Did I miss Bevets passing? Does he not show up in threads like this anymore?
 
2012-10-06 05:43:45 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: Originally, you argued that the problem was democracy; that we weren't voting enough of the right people in. Now you're saying the problem is market forces.

Originally I argued the problem was Democracy because I was talking about who chooses the textbooks and curriculum for schools. You then began discussing who decides content in textbooks and because a private, for profit company decides content, and content is driven by book sales. I tried my very best to tell you that elected officials do not decide content and that its the companies that have the final say but you were having none of it. So that forced us to talk about market forces. How the fark can you not follow this?


Calm down.

Are trying to say that the textbooks and the content of the textbooks are two different things? Perhaps in some abstract, philosophical way, but not in reality.

Nevertheless, two states are deciding the content of a vast majority of school textbooks for the entire country. No one voted for that. That is not democracy, it is capitalism.

I'm think your idea that all states create monolithic education boards in order to influence the market may be the only way for democracy to fight this textbook market. It would also be nice, like you said, if some wealthy, ambitious person created a publishing company to offer an alternative to the derp.

I'm just thinking it would be easier to end the influence of religion in all public institutions.
 
2012-10-06 05:45:33 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I actually quoted the entire conversation, in context, in that post.

TROLLOLOLOLOLOL!


The irony here is actually palpable. I quoted the conversation in context. You added a quote and completely left out the context.

Lennavan: I pay taxes, so I'm paying entirely for my kids to go to school and a portion of your kids to go to school. You're welcome. What do you want, me to raise your kids for you? You don't like it, go biatch at your school principal or something. My kid doesn't go there, so I don't really get a say other than when it comes time to vote.

Your kids are not my problem.


One of us is trolling, that's for sure. But I promised to give you a pass, so there it is.
 
2012-10-06 05:46:07 PM  

had98c: Ugh, don't even bring up that Atheism Plus crap. Bunch of people that say "oh atheism is ONLY a non-belief in deity claims" then turn around and say "oh and we're also for all these other causes that are completely unrelated".


It is worse than that, those farkers are into full blown mind control.

Athism Plus is the other side of the coin to the Creatards.
 
2012-10-06 05:46:31 PM  

James F. Campbell: Heh, exactly. Seems like my label for him -- "pretending to be liberal" -- is as accurate as ever.


In a thread where I advocated paying taxes to support schools, police, welfare and social services you're going to go with "he's not a liberal." Holy fark your confirmation bias is showing dude.
 
2012-10-06 05:48:17 PM  

Lorelle: Nah.

These made quite an impression on me when I was young:
[pzrservices.typepad.com image 365x564]
[filmaholics.net image 320x450 JAWS IMAGE]


I think i was .... a young teenager... when Jaws came out, my friends and i saw it 13 times in a space of about 2 weeks.
....
I wouldnt even close my eyes in the SHOWER for another 10 years or more, let alone NEVER going swimming again in water with less visibility than 10 miles.

Have never been that scared from a movie since.
Kinda miss it actually.
 
2012-10-06 05:50:29 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Are trying to say that the textbooks and the content of the textbooks are two different things? Perhaps in some abstract, philosophical way, but not in reality.


No, I'm saying the companies decide content. The company could lose $5 million in profit and make 2 versions of a science textbook. The company could say Fark Texas, we refuse to print a textbook full of lies. Or the company could charge slightly higher. Or the blue states could offer $5 million extra to make another version. And so on.

GreatGlavinsGhost: Nevertheless, two states are deciding the content of a vast majority of school textbooks for the entire country. No one voted for that. That is not democracy, it is capitalism.


I agree. Yet nothing is stopping you from biatching to your state legislators to do something about it. I have. Dick Durbin and I are pen pals.

GreatGlavinsGhost: I'm just thinking it would be easier better to end the influence of religion in all public institutions.


It would certainly be better but by no means easier than any of the alternatives I suggested above.
 
2012-10-06 05:54:02 PM  

Notabunny: The technology exists to individually id each bullet and tie it to its purchaser, and I would support such a program, but again, I haven't heard any serious discussion.


No such technology actually exists. A technology exists to apply a serial number to individual bullets, but serial numbers are easily removed and bullets are easily manufactured in private, eliminating any serialization.
 
2012-10-06 05:57:03 PM  

halfof33: vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!

I think they call themselves Atheism Plus, those zealots will turn your shiat white.


Not half as fast as any mouth-breathing dullard in a pew South of the Mason-Dixon line.
 
2012-10-06 05:58:51 PM  

lennavan: James F. Campbell: Heh, exactly. Seems like my label for him -- "pretending to be liberal" -- is as accurate as ever.

In a thread where I advocated paying taxes to support schools, police, welfare and social services you're going to go with "he's not a liberal." Holy fark your confirmation bias is showing dude.


Okay I have a question for you about taxes. Do you vote for or against school levies when they are on the ballot?

I personally always vote for them, even though I have no kids and I never want to have kids, even though on the surface it is against my own financial interest. I vote for them because I realize that if our schools go to shiat, we all suffer, it's not just about me and my family sometimes.
 
2012-10-06 06:00:24 PM  

halfof33: I think they call themselves Atheism Plus, those zealots will turn your shiat white.


had98c: Ugh, don't even bring up that Atheism Plus crap. Bunch of people that say "oh atheism is ONLY a non-belief in deity claims" then turn around and say "oh and we're also for all these other causes that are completely unrelated".



Whoa, what's with the Atheism Plus hate? I thought they were just atheists who also happened to be against sexual harassment.
 
2012-10-06 06:01:13 PM  

AlanSmithee: Alas, the movie itself is a a very depressing doc.
It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.


Yeah. Being a teacher in Texas who still retains their common sense and education is constantly draining. It doesn't help that administration is filled with idiotic retards who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.
 
2012-10-06 06:02:37 PM  

GilRuiz1: halfof33: I think they call themselves Atheism Plus, those zealots will turn your shiat white.

had98c: Ugh, don't even bring up that Atheism Plus crap. Bunch of people that say "oh atheism is ONLY a non-belief in deity claims" then turn around and say "oh and we're also for all these other causes that are completely unrelated".


Whoa, what's with the Atheism Plus hate? I thought they were just atheists who also happened to be against sexual harassment.


Seems to me that they are for socially liberal causes. That can rub some wingnuts the wrong way.
 
2012-10-06 06:03:01 PM  

James F. Campbell: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Why bother? Let them spread their ignorant ideas. More jobs for the smart people.


Their kids will grow up to vote. Their kids will be electing the people who are in charge of administering social security and medicare when you are elderly. Their kids will be preparing and serving the food in the nursing homes and changing your bedpan, and since the belief that germs cause disease is "only a theory," they probably won't be washing hands between those two tasks.

We have to try to teach these kids purely as a matter of self-defense!
 
2012-10-06 06:07:02 PM  

FlashHarry: the head of the texas state board of education should be jailed for child abuse for poisoning the minds of the nation's children and hobbling their chances to compete with the rest of the world.

the fact that the christian taliban is in control of the education of our children should terrify anyone with a brain. if bullshiat like this is taught in our schools, we will be a third-world country in just a few generations.


And that's the goal of many of the wealthy who fund politicians that push these things. For many more it's not a direct goal, but a side-effect of the path to achieving their goal of serfs and lords, complete absence of regulations for their businesses, relaxed tax loopholes for them to exploit, cheaper labor pools, etc.
 
2012-10-06 06:10:38 PM  

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: Are trying to say that the textbooks and the content of the textbooks are two different things? Perhaps in some abstract, philosophical way, but not in reality.

No, I'm saying the companies decide content. The company could lose $5 million in profit and make 2 versions of a science textbook. The company could say Fark Texas, we refuse to print a textbook full of lies. Or the company could charge slightly higher. Or the blue states could offer $5 million extra to make another version. And so on.


No company would do that, they're whores.

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: Nevertheless, two states are deciding the content of a vast majority of school textbooks for the entire country. No one voted for that. That is not democracy, it is capitalism.

I agree. Yet nothing is stopping you from biatching to your state legislators to do something about it. I have. Dick Durbin and I are pen pals.


May I ask what you have asked for?

lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: I'm just thinking it would be easier better to end the influence of religion in all public institutions.

It would certainly be better but by no means easier than any of the alternatives I suggested above.


I always choose better over easier.

Nice talking with you.
 
2012-10-06 06:12:48 PM  

lennavan: In a thread where I advocated ONLY paying taxes to support schools, police, welfare and social services you're going to go with "he's not a liberal."


FTFY
 
2012-10-06 06:16:19 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: /incidentally, plenty of Christians who are totally down with teaching current geological, evolutionary, and biological theory. It's a minority of those folks who are the problem.


I'm cool with that, and it seems likely. Except... There's this huge perceived push from loonies that no one seems to want to claim. Where did they come from, and why do they seem to get things done?

My guesses are: a) crazy churches and b) they neglect their lives to ensure that everyone elses' are ruined.
 
2012-10-06 06:17:38 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: /incidentally, plenty of Christians who are totally down with teaching current geological, evolutionary, and biological theory. It's a minority of those folks who are the problem.


And yet the only place I see a lot of Christians really distancing themselves from this lunacy is on an internet forum. When this conversation comes up in real life I hear people make excuses as to why it isn't that big a deal. When a Christian actually says that they don't agree, to which I ask them why they still go to a church that preaches this sort of shiat, or why they still donate money to an organization that back politicians that push this shiat, they give me some answer like "Well, they do a lot of good in other ways. I think the good they do outweighs this, so I'll just keep supporting them." These are the same people that typically want to judge all Muslims by the actions of a small few because they haven't done enough to denounce the radicals within their religion.
 
2012-10-06 06:18:09 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: In a thread where I advocated ONLY paying taxes to support schools, police, welfare and social services you're going to go with "he's not a liberal."

FTFY


Yes, I listed schools, police, welfare and social services. Clearly that means those are the ONLY things I support. That list was definitely intended to be exhaustive.

Man, I'll still give you that pass. Keep fightin the good fight. But I'm not the person suing your mom.
 
2012-10-06 06:18:17 PM  

lennavan: One of us is trolling, that's for sure.


Did you, or did you not say that paying taxes was the only thing you should do to help the children in your society?

Did you, or did you not say that the children in your society are "not your problem"?
 
2012-10-06 06:19:34 PM  

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: In a thread where I advocated ONLY paying taxes to support schools, police, welfare and social services you're going to go with "he's not a liberal."

FTFY

Yes, I listed schools, police, welfare and social services. Clearly that means those are the ONLY things I support. That list was definitely intended to be exhaustive.

Man, I'll still give you that pass. Keep fightin the good fight. But I'm not the person suing your mom.


You keep trying to say you're not trolling, and then you pop out with this. I could not make this shiat up.

Everyone else can actually read this sentence, and realize the "only" part that I inserted in there was no modifying the " schools police, social services" part, but the "paying taxes" part. You must think the people that read Fark are REALLY dumb.
 
2012-10-06 06:20:37 PM  

GreenAdder: Apple.com? Nope.

Anyone got another link?


Apple.com is the 64th domain name ever registered on the Internet. Apple.com practically IS the Internet compared to some poser site you would prefer.
 
2012-10-06 06:24:48 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: GreatGlavinsGhost: Nevertheless, two states are deciding the content of a vast majority of school textbooks for the entire country. No one voted for that. That is not democracy, it is capitalism.

I agree. Yet nothing is stopping you from biatching to your state legislators to do something about it. I have. Dick Durbin and I are pen pals.

May I ask what you have asked for?


Universal health care, term limits, raise my taxes to pay for schools (there were huge rallies in Illinois for this like 2 years back, google it), advocate gay marriage and not civil union, end the wars abroad. Those are off the top of my head, I forget what else. Like I said, Dick and I are pen pals. The term limit thing didn't go over very well by the way.

GreatGlavinsGhost: I always choose better over easier.


I used to. At some point you gotta realize there's a difference between the best path and the path that is actually available to you. I would be better off if I ended up as a Wide Receiver for the Green Bay Packers but that path wasn't open to me, so I had to go with something possible. I'd love religion to be entirely out of government but man, that's not gonna happen in our lifetime. Rather than waste our time advocating that, why not advocate for something you can actually accomplish, like at least keeping it out of science class? Or at least press on the private companies to at least provide non-derp texts for the rest of the country.

GreatGlavinsGhost: No company would do that, they're whores.


Oh I agree, I just think you gave them a free pass and should not have. I think they are also to blame here. The argument is not "they cannot afford another textbook," the argument is they don't want to because they don't make as much money. Douchebags.
 
2012-10-06 06:30:39 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Did you, or did you not say that paying taxes was the only thing you should do to help the children in your society?


I did ask you directly what else I should be doing. You never answered. I'm open to other possibilities but you have thus far provided none.

Nobodyn0se: Everyone else can actually read this sentence, and realize the "only" part that I inserted in there was no modifying the " schools police, social services" part, but the "paying taxes" part.


It's the only interpretation that makes any sense. The alternative is you think I should be doing something else to support schools, police, welfare and social services other than fund them. By all means, tell me what else should I be doing? I have some ideas:

Schools - volunteer my time as a teachers aid
Police - citizens on patrol
Welfare - volunteer at a soup kitchen
Social Services - volunteer at a shelther

Great, I have a job, a family and I already volunteer coach and referee soccer. I got other shiat to do. When do you expect me to do all of this volunteer work? And when I select one, say soccer to help kids learn teamwork and whatnot, I guess that automatically means I don't support the firemen because I'm not a volunteer firefighter and all I do is pay taxes. Perhaps you have some other ideas though, I'll wait.
 
2012-10-06 06:33:09 PM  
First time I ever heard of Atheism Plus.

Wasn't there also a big problem over History books getting a massive overhaul?
 
2012-10-06 06:33:57 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Did you, or did you not say that the children in your society are "not your problem"?


I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem. If your school sucks, that is your problem. I show up to all of the meetings and conferences and curriculum nights and whatnot at my kids school. I don't expect you to attend, I don't think you're a douche for having something else to do that night. It's cool.

My kid used to go to an extremely shiatty public school. I met with the principal, I met with the teachers, I went to the meetings to discuss the curriculum. I never saw you there. I don't fault you, you got your own shiat to do. It is my responsibility. I thank you for providing tax dollars so the school exists but since you don't have kids there, it's not your business anyway. I got this one.
 
2012-10-06 06:34:21 PM  

lennavan: I did ask you directly what else I should be doing. You never answered. I'm open to other possibilities but you have thus far provided none.


Off the top of my head: voting for people that will provide for children, volunteering at a local school/hospital/charity, donating money to political causes or charities, NOT telling people that you don't care about anyone else's children, etc.
 
2012-10-06 06:35:02 PM  

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.


And this is why we've been making fun of you for the entire thread. Right here. You've encapsulated it perfectly.
 
2012-10-06 06:36:48 PM  

whistleridge: Hell it's even worse when you used to date them.

I bet. Thank God it's just old friends and my step sisters. Yikes.


a woman i lived with for 10 years sent me an email praising some crap by dick morris and urging me to see 2106. my response panning morris wasn't answered.

nor a later email with a bad review of "Obama's America" written by that paragon of left wing thought -- the weekly standard. 

we broke up 30 years ago and don't talk much. now i know why.
 
2012-10-06 06:37:40 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

And this is why we've been making fun of you for the entire thread. Right here. You've encapsulated it perfectly.


I tip waiters 25% so I don't have to treat them like human beings.
 
2012-10-06 06:40:04 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: One of us is trolling, that's for sure.

Did you, or did you not say that paying taxes was the only thing you should do to help the children in your society?

Did you, or did you not say that the children in your society are "not your problem"?


I'm going to assume you know what happens when you continue to pick at a scab, I wonder if you might be able to make a connection between that and what you are doing now.
 
2012-10-06 06:40:07 PM  

halfof33: vrax: WTF is a fundie atheist?!

I think they call themselves Atheism Plus, those zealots will turn your shiat white.


Oh, well I like Atheism Plus. It's got electrolytes!
 
2012-10-06 06:41:06 PM  
From the trailer: "Were dinosaurs on the ark? Sure they were. We don't know."

[facepalm.jpg]
 
2012-10-06 06:42:02 PM  

sno man: I'm going to assume you know what happens when you continue to pick at a scab, I wonder if you might be able to make a connection between that and what you are doing now.


I know. I know. Sometimes, I just can't help it :(

I know he's never going to get it. He's going to double down on his derp. But damnit.... THERE'S SOMEONE WRONG ON THE INTERNET!
 
2012-10-06 06:42:05 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

And this is why we've been making fun of you for the entire thread. Right here. You've encapsulated it perfectly.

I tip waiters 25% so I don't have to treat them like human beings.


I tip waiters because the local cows finally caught on.
 
2012-10-06 06:43:04 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Off the top of my head: voting for people that will provide for children


I did of course heavily imply I do this already.

lennavan: Apply to this situation. In Texas, the elected school board is full of idiots who basically choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history. What am I going to do? I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas. As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that. Best you can do is vote differently next time. You gotta let it go man.


Nobodyn0se: donating money to political causes or charities


What part about I am paying for private school did you not understand?

Nobodyn0se: volunteering at a local school/hospital/charity


I already volunteer coaching soccer and referee on two weeknights and the weekend. Is it alright with you if I spend the other 3 weeknights spending time with my family and maybe some free time on the weekend relaxing? Or do I have to volunteer at a charity for you to no longer think I'm pro child abuse?

AliceBToklasLives: I tip waiters 25% so I don't have to treat them like human beings.


But you pay think you taxes so you get to dictate what schools teach? Funny, I'm saying the fact that I pay taxes to schools for other people's kids does not mean I have a say.
 
2012-10-06 06:43:25 PM  

Nem Wan: Apple.com is the 64th domain name ever registered on the Internet.


64th ".com" - All the biggies like IBM, AT&T, Sun, Intel, TI, GM, and Tandy were before them. They register in 1987. The first ones were in January of 1985. They were actually fairly late to the party.
 
2012-10-06 06:45:05 PM  

Nobodyn0se: I know he's never going to get it. He's going to double down on his derp


I know you're trying really hard to show how me sending my kid to private school, paying taxes and voting for people who support social services means I want children to starve be abused and die. But no matter how hard you try, I'll never understand. But I did give you that free pass, I know you're personally and emotionally invested in it. Shiat, your mom got sued, so I understand you're looking for someone to lash out at. I'm not the guy suing your mom. Sorry, brah.
 
2012-10-06 06:47:19 PM  

lennavan: By all means, tell me what else should I be doing?


Lennavan, I see where you're coming from. Sadly, your initial post was worded in such a way that gave people an impression of you that was off the mark. Or maybe your initial post was well-worded and it was misconstrued. I dunno.

But we're all in agreement that the Texas Board is infected with derp.

By all means, tell me what else should I be doing?

Donate twenty bucks to Nobodyn0se's mum's fund?
 
2012-10-06 06:47:49 PM  

lennavan: I did of course heavily imply I do this already.


And yet explicitly stated that you didn't think it was something you should be doing.

lennavan: What part about I am paying for private school did you not understand?


The part where paying for a private school is in any way analogous to giving money to political campaigns or charities that help other children besides yours.

lennavan: I already volunteer coaching soccer and referee on two weeknights and the weekend.


Yet you don't think you have any responsibility to other people's kids besides paying taxes?

lennavan: Or do I have to volunteer at a charity for you to no longer think I'm pro child abuse?


No, all you have to do for me to think you're not pro-child negligence (notice the difference between "abuse" and "negligence") is to say "paying taxes is NOT all that we should do for other people's children in a society."

lennavan: Funny, I'm saying the fact that I pay taxes to schools for other people's kids does not mean I have a say.


Nope, but voting DOES mean you have a say, but according to you, that's not your responsibility as a member of our society.
 
2012-10-06 06:48:03 PM  

Confabulat: [i2.listal.com image 503x768] 

I like this one better.


Yes, a lot of posters from the 50s are more creative.
 
2012-10-06 06:48:25 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

And this is why we've been making fun of you for the entire thread. Right here. You've encapsulated it perfectly.


I imagine if you apply this criteria to society, you're going to be pretty lonely. I imagine a lot of the crusading internet tough guys here don't volunteer a single minute of their week, yourself included. Keep riding your mom's coattails dude.
 
2012-10-06 06:49:23 PM  
People act like this is something new. The whole purpose for state and federal involvement in education is to brainwash kids in an effort to solidify the careers of politicians. It's been going on for 100 years. Schools should be run (and financed) locally with no outside involvement.
 
2012-10-06 06:49:50 PM  

lennavan: I know you're trying really hard to show how me sending my kid to private school, paying taxes and voting for people who support social services means I want children to starve be abused and die.


And you STILL DON'T GET IT! Man, did I call that or what?

You sending your kids to private school, paying taxes, and voting for people doesn't mean you want children to be starved, abused, or dead.

You explicitly stating that you don't care about other people's kids and the fact that you think paying taxes is all you should be doing is what makes us think you don't care about children.

Seriously, this is not rocket surgery. You can understand it if you try. I believe in you, Mr. Trolly McTrollerson!
 
2012-10-06 06:52:47 PM  

lennavan: I imagine if you apply this criteria to society, you're going to be pretty lonely. I imagine a lot of the crusading internet tough guys here don't volunteer a single minute of their week, yourself included. Keep riding your mom's coattails dude.


In this thread alone, I've raised 200 bucks for a politician running for the Texas State Board of Education. The "crusading internet tough guys" in this thread have already done way more for other people's children than you say you do, Mr. "paying taxes is all we should be doing for other people."
 
2012-10-06 06:53:33 PM  

Halli: Seems to me that they are for socially liberal causes. That can rub some wingnuts the wrong way.


Uh, that is what they say, and what they do is very, very, different. Actually it is a little cult of personality that has appointed itself judge, jury and executioner of the political correctness of other atheists.

Here's a great example: they reject secular humanists because it is "mostly" middle aged white males. That is it. They are white and middle aged and men.

PRIVILEGE! Hee hee, I love the little vixens!
 
2012-10-06 06:54:12 PM  

AlanSmithee: Donate twenty bucks to Nobodyn0se's mum's fund?


What part about I'm paying for private school did you miss?

Nobodyn0se: The part where paying for a private school is in any way analogous to giving money to political campaigns or charities that help other children besides yours.


You're a huge dickhead for suggesting I should sacrifice my kid's education and let him suffer it out in a shiatty private school for your mom's legal defense. No offense.

Nobodyn0se: And yet explicitly stated that you didn't think it was something you should be doing.


You're going to quote where I explicitly state I did not think I should be voting, right? Because you would be a huge dickhead for saying this if it was blatantly false. No offense.

Nobodyn0se: Nope, but voting DOES mean you have a say, but according to you, that's not your responsibility as a member of our society.


I don't get to vote in Texas dude. You would be a huge dickhead if you thought my responsibility was to vote in the Texas school board election. No offense.

Nobodyn0se: paying taxes is NOT all that we should do for other people's children in a society


I also support welfare, medicaid, public schools, police, firemen, social services and so on. I support the social services that support children and I support financing them, indeed I support increasing financial support for them. You call this pro-child negligence. Were you to apply this criteria to the thread, I imagine you'd find yourself pretty lonely dude.
 
2012-10-06 06:56:45 PM  

Nobodyn0se: In this thread alone, I've raised 200 bucks for a politician running for the Texas State Board of Education


Well, your mom has. Your mom is a hero. You're an idiot. Keep riding her coattails though.

Nobodyn0se: The "crusading internet tough guys" in this thread have already done way more for other people's children than you say you do


The crusading internet tough guys don't have kids in private school, dickhead. No offense.

Nobodyn0se: You explicitly stating that you don't care about other people's kids


Except I never explicitly stated that. You're a dickhead for pretending I did though. No offense.
 
2012-10-06 06:56:53 PM  

Dimensio: Notabunny: The technology exists to individually id each bullet and tie it to its purchaser, and I would support such a program, but again, I haven't heard any serious discussion.

No such technology actually exists. A technology exists to apply a serial number to individual bullets, but serial numbers are easily removed and bullets are easily manufactured in private, eliminating any serialization.


Then apparently 3M is under the misconception that it's been manufacturing micordot taggants since the 1970s. And starting in 1980, the Swiss government required 3M's nonexistent microdot taggants to be in all manufactured explosives specifically to aid in criminal investigations.
 
2012-10-06 06:57:42 PM  

lennavan: You're a huge dickhead for suggesting I should sacrifice my kid's education and let him suffer it out in a shiatty private school for your mom's legal defense. No offense.


It's a good thing I never said that then.

lennavan: You're going to quote where I explicitly state I did not think I should be voting, right?


Right here:

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.


You're welcome.

lennavan: I don't get to vote in Texas dude. You would be a huge dickhead if you thought my responsibility was to vote in the Texas school board election. No offense.


It's a good thing I never said you should be voting in Texas then.

lennavan: I also support welfare, medicaid, public schools, police, firemen, social services and so on. I support the social services that support children and I support financing them, indeed I support increasing financial support for them.


Good for you. Why didn't you include them in your "list of things people should be doing to support the children in society" list? That could have saved us both a heap of trouble.

lennavan: You call this pro-child negligence.


That's your third strawman in one post! I'm really impressed.

lennavan: Were you to apply this criteria to the thread, I imagine you'd find yourself pretty lonely dude.


Again, I've raised 200 bucks in this thread. The people in this thread have already done WAY more than you say they should.
 
2012-10-06 06:58:56 PM  

halfof33: Halli: Seems to me that they are for socially liberal causes. That can rub some wingnuts the wrong way.

Uh, that is what they say, and what they do is very, very, different. Actually it is a little cult of personality that has appointed itself judge, jury and executioner of the political correctness of other atheists.

Here's a great example: they reject secular humanists because it is "mostly" middle aged white males. That is it. They are white and middle aged and men.

PRIVILEGE! Hee hee, I love the little vixens!


That's great. Never heard of before today.
 
2012-10-06 06:59:33 PM  

lennavan: Well, your mom has.


Nope. She doesn't even have a Fark account. All the donations were from other people in this thread.

lennavan: The crusading internet tough guys don't have kids in private school, dickhead.


It's a good thing that doesn't mean anything then.

lennavan: Except I never explicitly stated that.


Yes, you did. You don't remember your "Other people's kids are not my problem" comment that started this entire conversation?
 
2012-10-06 07:00:33 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: "Somebody's got to stand up to these experts!"

Man, I think the trailer ruined my day...I might get suicidal if I saw the whole film.


Homo Neanderthalensis
by H.L. Mencken
Link
 
2012-10-06 07:01:34 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Good for you. Why didn't you include them in your "list of things people should be doing to support the children in society" list? That could have saved us both a heap of trouble.


You mean like I did much earlier in the thread?

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I saw this idiot today who said me paying taxes to society was not enough and I need to do more for his kids.

Ok. You're REALLY trolling now. Good luck with that.

That actually happened -

lennavan: For the third time, I pay taxes. My taxes fund your kid attending school. My kid does not attend your kid's school. It is none of my business what your kid learns in his/her school. That's up to you. My money pays for your school but you get the says-so because my dollars do not give me the right to dictate what your kid learns.

So you got your school built, go to the PTA meetings and get whatever curriculum you want. If your school teachers derp, it's not my problem. I can't show up to your PTA meetings and complain. I have a job and shiat to do.

lennavan: I pay taxes, so I'm paying entirely for my kids to go to school and a portion of your kids to go to school.

lennavan: My tax dollars go to all of those things and I like it that way. I already said I paid taxes. I await your apology.

For those unaware, I pay taxes and I support paying taxes. Taxes fund good things. Taxes pay for schools to educate kids, taxes pay for police to protect your kids, taxes pay for medicaid to give health care to kids, taxes pay for welfare to feed kids, taxes pay for social services to help make sure kids aren't abused and so on. Therefore, I financially support educating kids, health care for kids, feeding kids, making sure kids are safe and so on. Apparently this is not enough for the incredibly tough guys in this thread, I need to be doing more.

 
2012-10-06 07:02:49 PM  
www.dawtrina.com

/obvious
 
2012-10-06 07:04:05 PM  

lennavan: You mean like I did much earlier in the thread?


I love how you say you included voting in your list of things we should be doing to help children and then post a quote in which you don't mention voting at ALL.

Anyawys, let's just leave it at "you think people should only pay taxes to help other people and everyone else in this thread disagrees with you and thinks we should be doing far more to help others in a modern society", ok? I'm sick of arguing with a brick wall.
 
2012-10-06 07:04:33 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Nope. She doesn't even have a Fark account. All the donations were from other people in this thread.



You missed the point. People donated because of your mom's story. Not because of you. You're just the messenger riding the coattails. I was serious when I said she's a hero. I was serious about the idiot thing too.

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: You're going to quote where I explicitly state I did not think I should be voting, right?

Right here:

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.



Uh, the word explicitly means something dude. Words have meaning.

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Except I never explicitly stated that.

Yes, you did. You don't remember your "Other people's kids are not my problem" comment that started this entire conversation?


The word explicitly means something dude. You're reading things into my posts that are simply not there. You are reading them because you're all raged up. You're all raged up because you are personally invested with your mom running and getting sued and all. We've been over this, I gave you the free pass for it. You still get your one thread free pass.

Hug?
 
2012-10-06 07:05:35 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: You mean like I did much earlier in the thread?

I love how you say you included voting in your list of things we should be doing to help children and then post a quote in which you don't mention voting at ALL.

Anyawys, let's just leave it at


Wow, that was the hugest backtrack in the history of Fark.com. I assume this means you're cashing in your free pass. No apology needed. Friends it is.
 
2012-10-06 07:07:31 PM  

Halli: That's great. Never heard of before today.


then why did you post that they seem like they are for social justice? They are for social justice like the Nazis were for indoor heating.
 
2012-10-06 07:08:02 PM  

Notabunny: Dimensio: Notabunny: The technology exists to individually id each bullet and tie it to its purchaser, and I would support such a program, but again, I haven't heard any serious discussion.

No such technology actually exists. A technology exists to apply a serial number to individual bullets, but serial numbers are easily removed and bullets are easily manufactured in private, eliminating any serialization.

Then apparently 3M is under the misconception that it's been manufacturing micordot taggants since the 1970s. And starting in 1980, the Swiss government required 3M's nonexistent microdot taggants to be in all manufactured explosives specifically to aid in criminal investigations.


How, exactly, would 3M's micordot taggant be utilized to link hand-loaded ammunition to its owner?
 
2012-10-06 07:10:01 PM  

lennavan: You missed the point. People donated because of your mom's story. Not because of you. You're just the messenger riding the coattails. I was serious when I said she's a hero. I was serious about the idiot thing too.


And my point was that THEY had donated money, which is far more than you think they should do. It had nothing to do with me.

lennavan: Uh, the word explicitly means something dude. Words have meaning.


Yes, they do. And you stated, explicitly, that the ONLY thing you think you should do to help people is pay taxes. You did not mention voting at all, which means that in that post you are making an explicit statement that you don't think voting is something we should be doing for other people.

lennavan: You're reading things into my posts that are simply not there.


Ok. Let's settle this once and for all then.

"I believe that in a society, we should be invested in other people's children. We as a society should pay for their educations, their healthcare, make sure they are given nutritious food and acceptable clothing, and to make sure they grow up in an abuse free home. We should support these goals by paying taxes, voting for people who agree with us, volunteering our time to give children a better life, and donating money to political and charitable causes that advance these goals."

Do you agree with this statement or not?
 
2012-10-06 07:11:14 PM  

lennavan: AlanSmithee: Donate twenty bucks to Nobodyn0se's mum's fund?

What part about I'm paying for private school did you miss?


What is happening to nobodyn0ses' mom is a grave injustice. This is beyond private vs public school. Think what you will of nobodyn0se, but at least show some heart and give some money, if even a pittance, to her fund. The derpers are well funded. This is one way of fighting back, and yes, it will have a real impact in keeping the derpers in check.
 
2012-10-06 07:16:40 PM  
Yay government education!!
 
2012-10-06 07:20:26 PM  

halfof33: Halli: That's great. Never heard of before today.

then why did you post that they seem like they are for social justice? They are for social justice like the Nazis were for indoor heating.


Because I googled them. Don't really care about some Atheist boogeyman that has your knickers in a twist.
 
2012-10-06 07:26:33 PM  

Halli: Don't really care about some Atheist boogeyman that has your knickers in a twist.


quizzicaldog.jpg

Boogeyman? I'm just going to have to point out that they exist, and they are wonderfully hypocritical psychopaths.

I love them, if only for the lolz they produce.
 
2012-10-06 07:28:39 PM  

halfof33: Halli: Don't really care about some Atheist boogeyman that has your knickers in a twist.

quizzicaldog.jpg

Boogeyman? I'm just going to have to point out that they exist, and they are wonderfully hypocritical psychopaths.

I love them, if only for the lolz they produce.


Ok that's great.
 
2012-10-06 07:29:18 PM  

Nobodyn0se: "I believe that in a society, we should be invested in other people's children. We as a society should pay for their educations, their healthcare, make sure they are given nutritious food and acceptable clothing, and to make sure they grow up in an abuse free home. We should support these goals by paying taxes, voting for people who agree with us, volunteering our time to give children a better life, and donating money to political and charitable causes that advance these goals."

Do you agree with this statement or not?


No. I think people who volunteer are great, I think people who are able to donate money to good causes are admirable. I would never say anything negative about someone who does not spend their time volunteering, nor would I judge someone who does not donate their money. What's more, not everyone wants to volunteer with kids. There are people out there volunteering to save endangered species and they donate their money to save species from going extinct. Do you think they are assholes who hate society and abuse kids? By your criteria thus far you do.

How many people here do you think volunteer with kids? It's tragic they'll all stay silent but the vast majority of people do not volunteer their time with kids. Fark, I do but I sure as hell don't think I owe it to society to volunteer with kids. Maybe I want to volunteer my time helping the elderly instead? Maybe after spending my day contributing to society by working my job and paying my taxes I want to live my life because I'm not religious and this is all I get? Who the fark are you to judge me?

Do you know how many poor people there are in this country, or how many families there are scraping by? They cant afford to donate to your causes, apparently you think negatively about them too. Who are you to judge them?

Where do you volunteer?
What charities do you donate to?
How do you contribute to society?

You've been silent the entire time about it. We both know you can make some shiat up and will but I tell you what, when you admit you don't volunteer your time teaching underprivledged kids, I promise not to call you a child abuser. That makes me a better person than you.
 
2012-10-06 07:29:54 PM  

AlanSmithee: lennavan: AlanSmithee: Donate twenty bucks to Nobodyn0se's mum's fund?

What part about I'm paying for private school did you miss?

What is happening to nobodyn0ses' mom is a grave injustice. This is beyond private vs public school. Think what you will of nobodyn0se, but at least show some heart and give some money, if even a pittance, to her fund. The derpers are well funded. This is one way of fighting back, and yes, it will have a real impact in keeping the derpers in check.


It is indeed, were I in a different financial situation I would.
 
2012-10-06 07:35:54 PM  

lennavan: No.


In that case, I'm not reading anything into your statements that you don't actually believe.

Also, notice that I said "We as a society" not "each individual person." I have no problem with people doing some of those things and not others. The statement was about our society, not you and me as individuals.

lennavan: It is indeed, were I in a different financial situation I would.


And yet you said all you should be doing is paying your taxes. Interesting that you would donate if you had money, even though you've explicitly stated that outside of paying taxes you don't feel any need or desire to help other people's children:

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

 
2012-10-06 07:37:14 PM  

GreenAdder: Apple.com? Nope.

Anyone got another link?


wow, seriously? it's a farking movie trailer.
 
2012-10-06 07:39:49 PM  
coolmaterial.com

coolmaterial.com

i.somethingawful.com
 
2012-10-06 07:45:33 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Also, notice that I said "We as a society" not "each individual person." I have no problem with people doing some of those things and not others.


Right, it's just something about me personally that you demand I do those things, right? Because that has been what you've been hammering me on all along. I pay my taxes and support the programs but because I don't donate to charity, you think I support child abuse. That makes you a dick.

Nobodyn0se: And yet you said all you should be doing is paying your taxes. Interesting that you would donate if you had money, even though you've explicitly stated that outside of paying taxes you don't feel any need or desire to help other people's children:


I never said I don't feel a desire. I said all I owe to society is my taxes and my vote. Once I have done those things, my duty as a citizen is complete. I use my vote to support the social services I have said all along I support. That's it. I volunteer my time with kids because I want to. Someday I will donate to charities I care about. That you think it is required of me or I'm default pro-child abuse makes you a dick. A huge dick.

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.


That is correct. I will pay my taxes and support government programs. After that your kids are not my problem. If they are hungry, it's a good thing my taxes went to programs that will feed them. If you abuse them, it's a good thing my taxes went to help pay for the cops. After funding a police force, I get to delegate that problem to them. This is apparently a shock to you.
 
2012-10-06 07:46:18 PM  

Dimensio: Notabunny: Dimensio: Notabunny: The technology exists to individually id each bullet and tie it to its purchaser, and I would support such a program, but again, I haven't heard any serious discussion.

No such technology actually exists. A technology exists to apply a serial number to individual bullets, but serial numbers are easily removed and bullets are easily manufactured in private, eliminating any serialization.

Then apparently 3M is under the misconception that it's been manufacturing micordot taggants since the 1970s. And starting in 1980, the Swiss government required 3M's nonexistent microdot taggants to be in all manufactured explosives specifically to aid in criminal investigations.

How, exactly, would 3M's micordot taggant be utilized to link hand-loaded ammunition to its owner?


They wouldn't, of course. Nor would they do anything for ammunition already on the market or in consumer's possession. No solution is absolute. But my (based on nothing) guess is that hand loads account for only a very small percentage of ammunition used in crimes. That's still no reason not to require microdot taggants going forward.
 
2012-10-06 07:49:18 PM  

lennavan: Right, it's just something about me personally that you demand I do those things, right?


No, it's that I demand you recognize that

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

is a bullshiat statement.

lennavan: I pay my taxes and support the programs but because I don't donate to charity, you think I support child abuse.


You get that strawman!!!!

lennavan: I said all I owe to society is my taxes and my vote.


Liar:

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.


lennavan: Once I have done those things, my duty as a citizen is complete.


And this, again, is why we're making fun of you. How hard is this to get?

lennavan: That you think it is required of me or I'm default pro-child abuse makes you a dick.


Strawman number two!

lennavan: I will pay my taxes and support government programs. After that your kids are not my problem.


And this, again, is why we're making fun of you. How hard is this to get?
 
2012-10-06 07:53:10 PM  
You just REALLY do not want to argue against what I am actually arguing, do you lennavan?

Anyways, I really have work to do now. I'll let you keep herping your derp.
 
2012-10-06 07:54:31 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: Right, it's just something about me personally that you demand I do those things, right?

No, it's that I demand you recognize that lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem. is a bullshiat statement.

lennavan: I pay my taxes and support the programs but because I don't donate to charity, you think I support child abuse.

You get that strawman!!!!

lennavan: I said all I owe to society is my taxes and my vote.

Liar: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

lennavan: Once I have done those things, my duty as a citizen is complete.

And this, again, is why we're making fun of you. How hard is this to get?

lennavan: That you think it is required of me or I'm default pro-child abuse makes you a dick.

Strawman number two!

lennavan: I will pay my taxes and support government programs. After that your kids are not my problem.

And this, again, is why we're making fun of you. How hard is this to get?


You make fun of people who don't think that your children are their responsibility?
 
2012-10-06 08:03:34 PM  

Silly Jesus: You make fun of people who don't think that your children are their responsibility?


I don't have children.
 
2012-10-06 08:05:30 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: You make fun of people who don't think that your children are their responsibility?

I don't have children.


But yes, I do make fun of people who think that the welfare of other people in our society is not their responsibility. Especially when those other people are children.
 
2012-10-06 08:10:00 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: You make fun of people who don't think that your children are their responsibility?

I don't have children.

But yes, I do make fun of people who think that the welfare of other people in our society is not their responsibility. Especially when those other people are children.


Exactly how much of my life are you (or children etc.) entitled to solely because you have graced the earth with your presence?
 
2012-10-06 08:10:13 PM  
Amazing.
The posters here have been either dishing out great movie posters, or are coming from absolute disagreement with the Texas Board.
And parts of that degenerated into a family squabble typical of a Thanksgiving meal.
As it happens, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada.

So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!
 
2012-10-06 08:11:45 PM  

Silly Jesus: Exactly how much of my life are you (or children etc.) entitled to solely because you have graced the earth with your presence?


Oh crap. Just read your profile and saw you were a Randian.

Sorry to waste both of our time. I won't bother with you anymore :)
 
2012-10-06 08:11:56 PM  

AlanSmithee: Amazing.
The posters here have been either dishing out great movie posters, or are coming from absolute disagreement with the Texas Board.
And parts of that degenerated into a family squabble typical of a Thanksgiving meal.
As it happens, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada.

So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!


Canadian holidays aren't real.
 
2012-10-06 08:12:25 PM  

FloydA: We have to try to teach these kids purely as a matter of self-defense!


The more you teach conservatives, the more entrenched and irrational their erroneous beliefs become.
 
2012-10-06 08:13:25 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: Exactly how much of my life are you (or children etc.) entitled to solely because you have graced the earth with your presence?

Oh crap. Just read your profile and saw you were a Randian.

Sorry to waste both of our time. I won't bother with you anymore :)


Yeah, someone else labeled me as such because I didn't feel the need to devote a portion of my life to them either.

If ad hominemesque nonsense is easier than engaging with me, then it would have probably been a waste of time anyway. Cheers.
 
2012-10-06 08:38:09 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist:  

I have a thing for Polish movie posters.


Ditto.

Have a Polish poster on my wall. From a festival not a movie but still kickass.
 
2012-10-06 08:43:17 PM  

RevRaven: You and your kids are not my problem.


Yeah, because fark society, right?

/idiot
 
2012-10-06 08:48:02 PM  

James F. Campbell: FloydA: We have to try to teach these kids purely as a matter of self-defense!

The more you teach conservatives, the more entrenched and irrational their erroneous beliefs become.


Too true. The difference between "education" and "intelligence" is quite apparent. Sad, but you're right.

I get students like that, sometimes. They will agree that variation exists in all populations, that some variation is heritable, that some variations have an effect on reproductive fecundity, and that the variations in relative fertility result in changing the average phenotype of populations, and then still claim that Darwin was wrong. Right-wing-ism is a form of mental illness that requires an individual to believe things that s/he knows are not true. Even when they have degrees, they continue to embrace claims that they must know are false.

It's weird. No wonder studies have shown that Republicans understand normal people better than we understand them- our ideas make sense, and theirs don't.
 
2012-10-06 08:49:03 PM  

AlanSmithee: Amazing.
The posters here have been either dishing out great movie posters, or are coming from absolute disagreement with the Texas Board.
And parts of that degenerated into a family squabble typical of a Thanksgiving meal.
As it happens, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada.

So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!


What the hell? Already??

*checks Wiki* Wow. That is farking early.
 
2012-10-06 08:49:21 PM  

whistleridge: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Very.

Especially when it's someone you knew your whole life - you grew up beside this person, you shared their meals, you slept over at their house, you played endless rounds of Goldeneye on their N64 - but you went away to college for 4 short years and when you came back, they seem to have been swapped out by someone who has no concept of logic or rationality. You try to keep being friends, but they're suddenly sending you nonstop crap about 0bummer, UN plots to destroy Israel, and whatever other insanities of the day are being cooked up over at Breitbart.

These aren't crazy morons met on Fark - these are people you know. And yet. And yet...


What you just described is almost exactly my situation. Now, I did go to a christian school growing up, but damn if none of those people ever figured anything out. I see all their facebook posts about communism, socialism, etc. So many things that are easily debunked by simple google searches. They are incredibly anti-science and think that "expert" opinions carry no more weight than any other random crazy person. And these are adults. ADULTS believing in fairy tales, it's incredibly odd to watch from the outside.

But indoctrination absolutely works. Absolutely. It's a weird process to see once you're on the outside. I remember being on the inside, you're so insulated from the real world and are surrounded at all times by people who think exactly the same. You never question the ridiculousness of the ideas, because you can't even tell that they are ridiculous. They discourage any and all interaction with non-believers. It's a sad thing really.

I feel lucky to have gotten out, and it was education that saved me. I went to a great college with excellent professors, they taught me how to discriminate between bullshiat and fact. They taught me critical thinking. They didn't tell me what to think, they gave me the tools to decide. It's made all the difference.
 
2012-10-06 09:22:11 PM  

Aidan: AlanSmithee: Amazing.
The posters here have been either dishing out great movie posters, or are coming from absolute disagreement with the Texas Board.
And parts of that degenerated into a family squabble typical of a Thanksgiving meal.
As it happens, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada.

So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!

What the hell? Already??

*checks Wiki* Wow. That is farking early.


Makes sense when you think about it. Shorter growing seasons.
 
2012-10-06 09:37:27 PM  

Silly Jesus: AlanSmithee: Amazing.
The posters here have been either dishing out great movie posters, or are coming from absolute disagreement with the Texas Board.
And parts of that degenerated into a family squabble typical of a Thanksgiving meal.
As it happens, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada.

So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!

Canadian holidays aren't real.


Neither are you.
 
2012-10-06 10:14:53 PM  
As we move away from print textbooks over the next generation, I wonder if these publishing companies will find it more cost-effective to create more specialized versions for Derpistan and for the rest of the country. It's not fair to the kids that will be "Left Behind," but at least that should isolate the problem.
 
2012-10-06 10:16:51 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Would have been better without the Michael Moore quote. Might have even suckered in a few people who thought "Finally, a movie that shows how creation is stronger than science and politics."

Instead, Creationists will see Moore's name and know to stay away.


Yup. Already got a post on FB about it:

"Moore's name on it? I won't see it."

DERP
 
2012-10-06 10:48:26 PM  
An urgent expose of the

Nosir.

This is not the sort of thing we need to deal with urgently. This is the sort of thing we need to deal with persistently.

We need to keep on it, because if we just hit this once and leave, it not only will come back, history shows that it won't go away in the first place.

As for movie posters...

i188.photobucket.com



Has to be up there.
 
2012-10-06 11:21:23 PM  

AlanSmithee: Amazing.
The posters here have been either dishing out great movie posters, or are coming from absolute disagreement with the Texas Board.
And parts of that degenerated into a family squabble typical of a Thanksgiving meal.
As it happens, it's Thanksgiving here in Canada.

So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!


i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 11:53:26 PM  

James F. Campbell: The more you teach conservatives, the more entrenched and irrational their erroneous beliefs become.


An "educated conservative?" Oh hell no, I can't read that. I have to keep dreaming that if you educate someone, they won't be like that anymore.

AlanSmithee: So, Happy Canadian Thanksgiving everyone!


"It's a glorious day for Canada, and by extension--the world!"

southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

/sorry. I got that stuck in my head, and now have to post it at every mention of Canada.
 
2012-10-06 11:58:12 PM  

lennavan: Do tell me, what exactly do you want me to do about his kids? Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught? Should I tell his teachers what the appropriate class material is? What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?


What to do?
Support your local school district.
Send your kids to the public schools and insist that the schools do their jobs.
By making the school good enough for YOUR kids, you help them all.
Also, support the Department of Education. And those politicians that support it.

As you pointed out, you are helping to pay for these schools.

The way to make a great America is by making great Americans.
 
2012-10-07 12:43:18 AM  
xtupload.com
 
2012-10-07 12:51:21 AM  

Without Fail: lennavan: Do tell me, what exactly do you want me to do about his kids? Should I dictate to his school what his kids should be taught? Should I tell his teachers what the appropriate class material is? What would you have me do to help him raise his kids that he needs my help for?

What to do?
Support your local school district.
Send your kids to the public schools and insist that the schools do their jobs.
By making the school good enough for YOUR kids, you help them all.
Also, support the Department of Education. And those politicians that support it.

As you pointed out, you are helping to pay for these schools.

The way to make a great America is by making great Americans.


Yea, well no. We gave up last week. Two schools and a year of epic bullying that has left my son a psychologically scarred wreck. Last week my son went through the usual death threats from 2 boys and another who promised to come to his house and kill his two dogs. His food was taken for the third time on wednesday and a teachers solution to another student taking his art supplies was to have him sit on the floor and move his equipment out of their reach. We surrendered. We are now homeschooling.

I am sure that schools are only full of success stories and angelic youths who treat each other with respect and strive hard to get the best education society can offer. Unfortunately our son was not one of them. So now he will homeschool and possibly suffer a substandard education and very little socializing as a result. The alternative to this was watching my son be destroyed piece by piece in AISD. Save your criticism, you were not there. After dealing with what we have had to in the school system for the last year, it can honestly crumble and die without a tear shed from us.
 
2012-10-07 12:53:45 AM  

orclover: Yea, well no. We gave up last week. Two schools and a year of epic bullying that has left my son a psychologically scarred wreck. Last week my son went through the usual death threats from 2 boys and another who promised to come to his house and kill his two dogs. His food was taken for the third time on wednesday and a teachers solution to another student taking his art supplies was to have him sit on the floor and move his equipment out of their reach. We surrendered. We are now homeschooling.


I had a similar experience in RRISD.

Tell your son I said "it gets better."

If you ever want someone to guest lecture, let me know. I'll be there any time.
 
2012-10-07 12:55:22 AM  
www.theshiznit.co.uk
 
2012-10-07 01:02:37 AM  

Goodfella: xtupload.com


I really need to watch that again. Haven't seen it since it was on cable in the early '80s.
 
2012-10-07 02:05:34 AM  
I'll take 'There Visionaires" for $200, Alex.

/seriously, I thought that was the name of the movie
//and say that in Connery's voice
 
2012-10-07 02:22:46 AM  

Nobodyn0se: nmemkha: Its demonstrates your example is cherry picked. Humans do terrible things for a variety of irrational reasons with one reason being religious faith. So statement boils down to "religious people do terrible things, just like everyone else". Not a very compelling argument.

That's a very nice strawman you've built there. Good job knocking it down. If you'd like to argue against what I'm actually arguing for, let me know. Otherwise, I'll just sit back and watch, k?


Just want to let you know you got favorited today. Well done in this thread, I didn't even have to come back.
 
2012-10-07 02:25:58 AM  

justtray: Just want to let you know you got favorited today. Well done in this thread, I didn't even have to come back.


Brofist!
 
2012-10-07 02:32:12 AM  

Nobodyn0se: orclover: Yea, well no. We gave up last week. Two schools and a year of epic bullying that has left my son a psychologically scarred wreck. Last week my son went through the usual death threats from 2 boys and another who promised to come to his house and kill his two dogs. His food was taken for the third time on wednesday and a teachers solution to another student taking his art supplies was to have him sit on the floor and move his equipment out of their reach. We surrendered. We are now homeschooling.

I had a similar experience in RRISD.

Tell your son I said "it gets better."

If you ever want someone to guest lecture, let me know. I'll be there any time.


I also agree with this. As someone who was always in advanced math classes in public school, and during middle school took a bus to high school for class for nearly the sole purpose of getting bullied and picked on, my advice would be to tell your child, "The reason they treat you like that is because they're threatened by you, by your intelligence and natural ability. They don't have the same loving support structure you do and you should pity them for that. In the cosmic scheme of your life, school is but one small, nearly irrelevant component. Adversity builds character, and when you get older, you will be successul at anything you do while they will be practicing the line, "would you like fries with that?""

I know it's just words, and at the time life can really be difficult, but as Nobodynose said, it does get better.
 
2012-10-07 02:33:44 AM  

justtray: school is but one small, nearly irrelevant component.


As someone in the 20th grade, this gives me a sad :(
 
2012-10-07 07:41:00 AM  

Nobodyn0se: CSB:

My mother was so disgusted she ran for Texas State Board of Education in 2010. She got a lot of support from Fark, but unfortunately she got her butt kicked, thanks to the TEA party surge in 2010. She's technically running again, but her time and money are caught up in the lawsuit that David Barton (the Wallbuilders douche who just had his book pulled from shelves for being too derpy) brought against her for telling the truth about him in a campaign commercial.

More info here, if you're interested: Link

/CSB


I'd say, take a page from Drew's handbook on lawsuits, let it go to discovery and plumb his finances, see what other speeches he made, turn it around on him. If you can find two to start with, there's bound to more...
 
2012-10-07 08:37:59 AM  

whistleridge: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Very.

Especially when it's someone you knew your whole life - you grew up beside this person, you shared their meals, you slept over at their house, you played endless rounds of Goldeneye on their N64 - but you went away to college for 4 short years and when you came back, they seem to have been swapped out by someone who has no concept of logic or rationality. You try to keep being friends, but they're suddenly sending you nonstop crap about 0bummer, UN plots to destroy Israel, and whatever other insanities of the day are being cooked up over at Breitbart.

These aren't crazy morons met on Fark - these are people you know. And yet. And yet...


After having lived most of my adult life a long way from the city where I graduated from high school (Class of 1962), after I retired, I made the effort to travel to my 40th class reunion. It was -- and is -- a highly-rated school, 99% of whose graduates went to college. Lots of professional people with master's degrees and doctorates, etc.

And yet: Everyone in my class apparently had been replaced by fundamentalist Christians who were convinced that anyone who supported any Democratic political candidate was Satan's spawn and that there's a global liberal-atheist-Muslim conspiracy taking over America.

Even though that was only a few months after the WTC attacks, still. What in the hell happened to all the bright kids I went to school with? And I was careful to skip my 50th reunion last year.
 
2012-10-07 09:35:37 AM  
The modern state of American politics is defined by one side that has two basic points of dogma:

1) Fark you, I got mine (in the case of those in the 47%, this is delusion)
and
2) I hate teh ghey and the brown, I want to push those vermin back under the rug where they belong.

I doubt that many of the "Earth is 9000 years old" types really and truly believe that junk. (There are True Believers but they're pretty few and far between.) But they've convinced themselves that "their" America has been hijacked by teh ghey and the brown, so they cast around for some kind of moral basis on which to base their hate and fear. T-Rex carrying arks, combined with derisive scoffing at the "junk science" of evolution and climate change, is apparently the best they can come up with.

The result is grocery clerks making $12 an hour convincing themselves that they are part of the Moral Job Creatin' Majority instead of the 47%. They believe that the GOP will stop giving the income tax they don't pay to teh ghey and the brown. They are like the old "better dead than red" crowd; they will pursue any course that prevents The Enemy from winning, even if it means mutual destruction.

There is no educating these people. The best we can hope for is that their kids will do better. Which is a pretty dismal hope.
 
2012-10-07 10:11:27 AM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I posted I send my kid to private school, you replied with I'm for abusing kids and I'm the troll?


I live with my mom

Seriously man, NOBODY is going to believe the above after reading our conversation,


Back the truck up.....I for one think lenavan's points and opinion are rational and logical. The pouting that has been hurled at him is ridiculous.

There are benefits to having a world view that allows for and critically weighs different viewpoints.
 
2012-10-07 10:38:41 AM  

vrax: Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.

WTF is a fundie atheist?!


Fundamentalism of any stripe can be summarized as "My specific way of life is good and correct, and anything that deviates from that is stupid and wrong."

I agree that there are atheists who take this approach, and those people are dicks, but there's no possible to way to argue that they're as influential or damaging as the Christian Right.
 
2012-10-07 12:26:07 PM  

lennavan: King Something: lennavan: sno man: Yes, that poster made me smile.

As far as the topic, this is not new news for anyone that has been paying attention. That no one is doing anything about it is shocking. Anyone with kids getting educated in America should be all over this, how can you do this to your kids?

I send my kids to private school. Problem solved for me.

So, you got yours and f*ck other people, huh.

I pay taxes, so I'm paying entirely for my kids to go to school and a portion of your kids to go to school. You're welcome. What do you want, me to raise your kids for you? You don't like it, go biatch at your school principal or something. My kid doesn't go there, so I don't really get a say other than when it comes time to vote.

Your kids are not my problem.


Not now.

I don't have kids, but I sure as hell want ALL of them to be educated, not indoctrinated. The future will be full of them, and I rather they weren't all mouth breathers.
 
2012-10-07 01:42:47 PM  

Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I said all I owe to society is my taxes and my vote.

Liar: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.


Those sentences are the same thing.

alcoda: Not now.

I don't have kids


Then why are you posting? You have no idea what it's like to be able to afford and parent a kid let alone multiple. I'm sure you've got a story about how great and involved your parents were or how shiatty and uninvolved they were. I pay my taxes, I support social programs and after that, I'm gonna spend time with my kid. Either I'm totally like your dad who was involved and spent time with you, or I'm the complete opposite of your dad because I want to spend my limited time and money on my own kids.
 
2012-10-07 01:47:40 PM  

Without Fail: Send your kids to the public schools and insist that the schools do their jobs.


You clearly have no kids and have no farking clue what you're talking about. Yes, I'll just storm in as a parent of one of the hundreds of kids and they'll totally listen to me, that's reasonable to suggest to me.

Without Fail: Also, support the Department of Education. And those politicians that support it.


You clearly havent read any of my farking posts and yet felt the desire to imagine what I was saying and attack anyway. Wouldn't it be really awkward if I had said I support all of these things you listed multiple times in this very thread? Dipshiat.
 
2012-10-07 01:50:49 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: You make fun of people who don't think that your children are their responsibility?

I don't have children.


That has been amazingly clear all along. You also don't volunteer, nor do you donate money or time anywhere. What's more, you're advocating I spend my limited time and money, beyond my vote and my tax dollars on other kids. I won't, presumably you will making you a great person and a really shiatty parent. I imagine you must have really good parents to be able to take time spent with your own kids for granted to easily.

When you graduate from college and have a family of your own and join the rest of us in the real world, I guarantee you will change your perspective.
 
2012-10-07 01:52:54 PM  

lennavan: Then why are you posting? You have no idea what it's like to be able to afford and parent a kid let alone multiple.


I haven't read enough of your posts today (I've been bouncing around Fark) to agree or disagree with anything else you've said, but this sentiment is something I've always been against:

"You haven't experienced it, so you don't know. Therefore, you can't talk about it." It's always bothered me. To me, it means that you believe the only way to learn something is to experience it, and there's no other way; if you haven't experienced it, then you just don't know, so shut up. It's odd. It's like the opposite of a decent education. Don't teach politics; the only way to learn it is to get involved. Don't teach science; the only way to learn is to do experiments. Don't teach about sex; the only way to learn is to do it (I guess that goes for gay sex, too). Don't teach about what it is like to have kids; the only way to know is to have them - and only then can you comment on it. Only then will you know.
 
2012-10-07 01:57:08 PM  

orclover: Yea, well no. We gave up last week. Two schools and a year of epic bullying that has left my son a psychologically scarred wreck. Last week my son went through the usual death threats from 2 boys and another who promised to come to his house and kill his two dogs. His food was taken for the third time on wednesday and a teachers solution to another student taking his art supplies was to have him sit on the floor and move his equipment out of their reach. We surrendered. We are now homeschooling.

I am sure that schools are only full of success stories and angelic youths who treat each other with respect and strive hard to get the best education society can offer. Unfortunately our son was not one of them. So now he will homeschool and possibly suffer a substandard education and very little socializing as a result. The alternative to this was watching my son be destroyed piece by piece in AISD. Save your criticism, you were not there. After dealing with what we have had to in the school system for the last year, it can honestly crumble and die without a tear shed from us.


You might look into private schools. I can't afford to send my kid to one without help but they offer assistance, I get 50% off the top to start. Of course, homeschooling wasn't really an option for us since we both work.

I can at least sympathize with the sentiment, my son wasn't bullied but the response I got was essentially the same "sorry, your kid is just one of many I have so if he's collateral damage, whatevs." I certainly hope the public school system is dramatically changed but I don't see
 
2012-10-07 01:58:15 PM  

lennavan: ...

You might look into private schools. I can't afford to send my kid to one without help but they offer assistance, I get 50% off the top to start. Of course, homeschooling wasn't really an option for us since we both work.

I can at least sympathize with the sentiment, my son wasn't bullied but the response I got was essentially the same "sorry, your kid is just one of many I have so if he's collateral damage, whatevs." I certainly hope the public school system is dramatically changed but I don't see widespread problems, more like specific schools that are failing that need changing. So rather than fark all public schools, sitck with "fark this public school and those like it." =]


Whoops... FTFM
 
2012-10-07 02:06:05 PM  

mgshamster: To me, it means that you believe the only way to learn something is to experience it, and there's no other way; if you haven't experienced it, then you just don't know, so shut up.


I agree with you. He clearly demonstrated he did not utilize one of the other ways, also he did not experience it so he has no idea.

mgshamster: I haven't read enough of your posts today


The context you are missing is I was saying I'm a parent, I work full time, I barely get by because I have to send my kid to private school because the public ones suck balls around here and I pay my taxes and support social programs and vote accordingly. But beyond that, I want to spend my free time with my own kids, helping them because it's not my job to worry about other peoples kids. That's what my taxes and vote are for.

Because of that stance I was called everything from pro child abuse to wanting brown people in the middle east to be killed.

That is the context you were missing that this guy replied to. He didn't say it himself but I fully expect if he's replying to a conversation he is aware of the context. So yes, because he has not been there himself he clearly has no farking clue what he's talking about and has no business replying.
 
2012-10-07 03:04:45 PM  
Fair and balanced should not mean giving those without knowledge the same level of attention that those with knowledge receive. Sadly, this is the result when we give idiots airtime, their mental illness spreads like a plague. I think the executives and hosts of fox news should be jailed for conducting psychological warfare on the U.S. public.
 
2012-10-07 03:06:47 PM  

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: Silly Jesus: You make fun of people who don't think that your children are their responsibility?

I don't have children.

That has been amazingly clear all along. You also don't volunteer, nor do you donate money or time anywhere. What's more, you're advocating I spend my limited time and money, beyond my vote and my tax dollars on other kids. I won't, presumably you will making you a great person and a really shiatty parent. I imagine you must have really good parents to be able to take time spent with your own kids for granted to easily.

When you graduate from college and have a family of your own and join the rest of us in the real world, I guarantee you will change your perspective.


I have been reasonably sympathetic to your points up until now (although you could have expressed yourself more eloquently), but this post shows me that you're just being a dick. You don't know what you are talking about and are just here to piss people off. Nobody needs that s**t. Cut it out.
 
2012-10-07 03:10:09 PM  

lennavan: Because of that stance I was called everything from pro child abuse to wanting brown people in the middle east to be killed.

lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

 
2012-10-07 03:44:04 PM  

lennavan: lennavan: ...

You might look into private schools. I can't afford to send my kid to one without help but they offer assistance, I get 50% off the top to start. Of course, homeschooling wasn't really an option for us since we both work.

I can at least sympathize with the sentiment, my son wasn't bullied but the response I got was essentially the same "sorry, your kid is just one of many I have so if he's collateral damage, whatevs." I certainly hope the public school system is dramatically changed but I don't see widespread problems, more like specific schools that are failing that need changing. So rather than fark all public schools, sitck with "fark this public school and those like it." =]

Whoops... FTFM


If we were middle class then this would be a non issue and he would be in a private school already. We are already on the waiting list for a few charter schools but its a big waiting list. But at least they offer decent financial assistance.

My mother who is retired has the time to home school him. It's probably not the best solution for his future, but its what we have. We hope to keep him caught up for the next two years and then possibly get him into Lamar Jr. High, somehow.
 
2012-10-07 04:30:34 PM  
 
2012-10-07 05:40:37 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: lennavan: In Texas, the elected school board is full of idiots who basically choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history. What am I going to do? I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas. As it turns out, a majority of people in Texas want their kids to learn derp. We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas, that's that. Best you can do is vote differently next time. You gotta let it go man.

In Texas ... idiots ... choose the textbooks for the rest of the nation and they get to rewrite history

I don't live in Texas, I don't get to vote in Texas

We live in a Democracy, the derpers outvoted us in Texas

It seems to me something is very wrong with these statements.

The way I'm reading this is: you're saying we live in a democracy (a democratic republic, whatever), yet that democracy never decided that two states (Texass and California) would control the majority of the content of all the states' textbooks.


I really don't get the Texas and California control the textbook market situation. Textbooks can easily be adapted and printed with little cost these days. I teach in Alberta where we have textbooks custom written/adapted for the Alberta social studies curriculum. I suspect Oxford and McGraw-Hill take the same content and repackage it in different ways for other books.

Alberta has a population of about 3.5 million people. 60% Of U.S. states are about the same size or bigger. How is it that they get stuck with what Texas wants?
 
2012-10-07 07:42:44 PM  
These aren't fresh articles, but they pretty much cement the idea (to me at least) that Texas is farked up when it comes to education and shouldn't be controlling what is written in textbooks anywhere.

National Education Association article

NYBooks article
 
2012-10-07 07:53:22 PM  

lennavan: Nobodyn0se: lennavan: I said all I owe to society is my taxes and my vote.

Liar: lennavan: I said after paying my taxes to support the programs that help the kids in society, your kids are not my problem.

Those sentences are the same thing.

alcoda: Not now.

I don't have kids

Then why are you posting? You have no idea what it's like to be able to afford and parent a kid let alone multiple. I'm sure you've got a story about how great and involved your parents were or how shiatty and uninvolved they were. I pay my taxes, I support social programs and after that, I'm gonna spend time with my kid. Either I'm totally like your dad who was involved and spent time with you, or I'm the complete opposite of your dad because I want to spend my limited time and money on my own kids.


I'm posting because I can have an opinion regardless of the fact that I don't have kids. Do as you please. I'm glad that you are able to send your kids where you choose. That doesn't change the fact that those who cannot shouldn't be subjected to this bullshiat.
 
2012-10-07 08:22:37 PM  

Jixa: These aren't fresh articles, but they pretty much cement the idea (to me at least) that Texas is farked up when it comes to education and shouldn't be controlling what is written in textbooks anywhere.

National Education Association article

NYBooks article


That second link almost make you want to pack up the kids and run from the state screaming and not stop till you reach Canada. Scary shiat.
 
2012-10-07 09:39:51 PM  

Confabulat: [i2.listal.com image 503x768] 

I like this one better.


I'll take the '93 version. If only for the line 'What do you expect me to do - buy a wetsuit and flashlight?'
(Uttered after 50' woman comes onto her ex-husband/boyfriend).
 
2012-10-07 10:10:41 PM  

Kurmudgeon: AlanSmithee: It must be draining for sensible Americans to be continuously fighting the creatards.

Fundie atheists are every bit as big a pain in the ass as any other fundie.


i1159.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-07 10:27:16 PM  
www.wired.com

/Hot like fine Corinthian leather
 
2012-10-07 10:33:01 PM  
Nobodyn0se:

Putting forth the effort means a lot. One thing you can do is upvote links about the whole thing when you see them. I try and get links about the lawsuit greenlit all the time, but they never go green :(

I put a link to the donation page on a thread on my fb politics page about the movie. 17,000 followers, over a thousand of those in Texas. Hope it helps.
 
2012-10-07 10:47:59 PM  

MisterRonbo: I put a link to the donation page on a thread on my fb politics page about the movie. 17,000 followers, over a thousand of those in Texas. Hope it helps.


Holy cow! Thank you so much.
 
2012-10-08 01:09:16 PM  

Nobodyn0se: Holy crap! Does she have a donation page to shoulder some of the cost?

Here you go


Is it possible to send a check? I'm old-fashioned. EIP.
 
2012-10-08 02:25:56 PM  

Fast Thick Pants: Nobodyn0se: Holy crap! Does she have a donation page to shoulder some of the cost?

Here you go

Is it possible to send a check? I'm old-fashioned. EIP.


E-mail sent! Thank you so much.
 
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