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(WTKR)   America's flagship ocean liner, the SS United States, sits rusting away at a pier in Philly. Now a group is trying to raise millions to restore her to her former glory   (wtkr.com) divider line 92
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2012-10-06 12:10:00 PM
This vessel still holds the west bound speed record for the fastest Atlantic crossing by a steamship.

/your gee whiz trivia for today
 
2012-10-06 12:21:23 PM
Schutzstaffel United States.

Kinda has a ring to it.
 
2012-10-06 12:29:35 PM
Synchronized orbit space station. Thorium-powered reactor.

Newt will be Captain. Callista is your Social Officer and Head of Security.
 
2012-10-06 12:35:51 PM

BunkyBrewman: This vessel still holds the west bound speed record for the fastest Atlantic crossing by a steamship.

/your gee whiz trivia for today


So what? The Flying Cloud was the world's fastest clipper ship. Being the best at a dead technology is not worth much.
 
2012-10-06 12:41:05 PM
Why do we need to save it?

Where is America's Flagship Steam Locomotive? Or America's Flagship horse carriage?

We didn't need to save those...
 
2012-10-06 01:51:08 PM

Godscrack: Schutzstaffel United States.

Kinda has a ring to it.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 01:53:53 PM

Godscrack: Schutzstaffel United States.

Kinda has a ring to it.


S.S.U.S.?
 
2012-10-06 02:08:00 PM
in Philly? Surprised it hasn't been sunk in a drive-by shooting.
 
2012-10-06 03:17:33 PM
They did a big push last year and raised a couple million dollars to be able to keep it in dock for a couple months. It's kind of sad since the Olympia sits up the river in need of tens of millions of dollars in repairs. People are trying to save another dumb cruiseship that should be a tramp steamer in the Phillipines while one of the five ships that define the evolution of American maritime power rusts away neglected.
 
2012-10-06 03:22:52 PM
Ask yourself- when the Gamelon comet bombs fall what ship can be retrofitted for a cruise to Iscandar to save the human race? Are we going to let the Japanese surge ahead in space battleship retrofitting techology, too?
 
2012-10-06 03:24:26 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: They did a big push last year and raised a couple million dollars to be able to keep it in dock for a couple months. It's kind of sad since the Olympia sits up the river in need of tens of millions of dollars in repairs. People are trying to save another dumb cruiseship that should be a tramp steamer in the Phillipines while one of the five ships that define the evolution of American maritime power rusts away neglected.


Not saying the Olympia shouldn't be saved, but the S.S. United States was also a military vessel, its top speed was classified for years, pictures and models below the waterline and screws were also classified, it was built to be the worlds largest, fastest troop transport ship. The US government subsidised a large portion of the build budget. The engines are military spec. This is not a slow prodding cruise ship/tramp steamer.
 
2012-10-06 03:25:56 PM

jehovahs witness protection: in Philly? Surprised it hasn't been sunk in a drive-by shooting.


It's the world's largest floating crack house.
 
2012-10-06 03:26:11 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Ask yourself- when the Gamelon comet bombs fall what ship can be retrofitted for a cruise to Iscandar to save the human race? Are we going to let the Japanese surge ahead in space battleship retrofitting techology, too?


No spot for a wave motion gun on a cruise ship. We'll raise the Arizona for that.
 
2012-10-06 03:27:50 PM
Since they already gutted it and sold off the valuable stuff... scrap it. It's not worth putting money into.

Imagine the upgrades required by the Coast Guard to be seaworthy!
 
2012-10-06 03:29:29 PM
Yes because pumping millions of dollars into an old ship that we have no use for is a much better investment then say spending that money on education, roads, space, paying down the debt, etc. Sell it for scrap and be done with it.
 
2012-10-06 03:30:53 PM
We're spending millions to save an old boat? Come on.
 
2012-10-06 03:32:22 PM

insertsnarkyusername: Yes because pumping millions of dollars into an old ship that we have no use for is a much better investment then say spending that money on education, roads, space, paying down the debt, etc. Sell it for scrap and be done with it.


it's a metaphor for the actual United States, hence some people wanting to save it and others wanting to render it down.
 
2012-10-06 03:33:18 PM
Meanwhile the NS Savannah sits rotting away while the government decides what to do with it...
 
2012-10-06 03:35:55 PM
Brings a tear to my eye. Every time I pass her watching her waist away is just sad.
/they've been trying to restore her for many years, this is just another round.


I really cried when they sent the SS France to the scrap yard.
My dad spent 2 years on her when she was the Norway (for his retirement as an actor)

/ I enjoyed many cocktails as his son ...and a few sailings
 
2012-10-06 03:41:35 PM

BunkyBrewman: This vessel still holds the west bound speed record for the fastest Atlantic crossing by a steamship.

/your gee whiz trivia for today


Her top speed was also classified (and utterly exaggerated) until 1977, because she was designed to double as a Navy troop carrier or hospital ship.

/the more you know
//but what's new in TFA? They've been promising to save her for a decade now, and it's been going nowhere for a decade
 
2012-10-06 03:41:43 PM
I've seen it in person and it is said to see it rusting there. I'd love to see some someone find a constructive use for it and restore it, but it is dead technology and there just isn't a huge demand for retrofitting projects when the Koreans can make you something new for half the cost to fix an old one up. They should shop it around and see if someone wants to one up Paul Allen's yacht or something. Or maybe we could come up with a plan where the whole vessel was brought into service as a disaster relief ship and run by the USN. Not as cost effective as buying new since you'd have to drop in a whole new powerplant but there are worse ways to spend tax dollars.
 
2012-10-06 03:42:02 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: I really cried when they sent the SS France to the scrap yard.
My dad spent 2 years on her when she was the Norway (for his retirement as an actor)



Fun Fact the S.S. United States was the first choice of Norwegian Cruise Lines over the S.S. France, but at the time the design of the engine was still being used in U.S. Navy Ships so the Government wouldn't allow the sale.
 
2012-10-06 03:43:13 PM
It's in better shape than the country it represents.
 
2012-10-06 03:43:40 PM

insertsnarkyusername: Yes because pumping millions of dollars into an old ship diversity that we have no use for is a much better investment then say spending that money on education, roads, space, paying down the debt, etc. Sell it for scrap and be done with it.


FTFY
 
2012-10-06 03:46:57 PM
Wow, that sounds worthwhile.
 
2012-10-06 03:47:23 PM

GammaTitan: No spot for a wave motion gun on a cruise ship. We'll raise the Arizona for that.


I was talking about retrofitting the Olympia because it's so cool looking. Don't mention Starblazers on a cruise ship too loud or else Joss Whedon will make a show about it.

f="http://www.fark.com/comments/7367556/79846151#c79846151" target="_blank">Tom_Slick: Not saying the Olympia shouldn't be saved, but the S.S. United States was also a military vessel, its top speed was classified for years, pictures and models below the waterline and screws were also classified, it was built to be the worlds largest, fastest troop transport ship. The US government subsidised a large portion of the build budget. The engines are military spec. This is not a slow prodding cruise ship/tramp steamer.

But at the end of the day it is just a transport ship. I don't get why people are so gung ho to throw money at it. Especially not the amounts that have already been wasted on it. And I get why people want to preserve ships, etc, but the economics of it- it's huge and they are already having troubles keeping the New Jersey, Olympia and Becuna afloat. Suddenly adding a not-very-well-known ship is going to flip that around?
 
2012-10-06 03:48:26 PM
If a plausible reason to save her could have been discovered, someone would have done it by now.

She had her day in the sun but that day is over. Let her die in peace.
 
2012-10-06 03:48:30 PM
I'm sorry. Historic as the ship is there's a reason it has been sitting around for years falling apart.

That would be because it outlived its usefulness.

If you're going to spend 10s of millions of dollars on something I'm sure the infrastructure of your city could use it more.
 
2012-10-06 03:48:59 PM
There's not enough valuable lead or asbestos to save her. As to the wood, aluminum, copper, sculptures and other worthless stuff, that's been removed a long time ago.

On the bright side, there's an IKEA at the other end of the pier's parking lot, and maybe a Best Buy. So outfitting her should be a cinch. 

Many of the Russian spacecraft ended up in a cafeteria in Parc Disneyland, outside of Paris.
 
2012-10-06 03:49:16 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: Every time I pass her watching her waist away is just sad.


ha-ha-guy: I've seen it in person and it is said to see it rusting there.


I morn for the litter racy of my fellow Farkers.
 
2012-10-06 03:49:33 PM
I have some miscellaneous items from the ship I purchased before the ship left Hampton Roads for Philly like a Grey Star china lemon serving bowl I use as a soap dish. Also, the electrical engineers for the ship still have offices in Norfolk and still have copies of the original design drawings in their offices.

It was beautiful ship.
 
2012-10-06 03:50:11 PM

GAT_00: BunkyBrewman: This vessel still holds the west bound speed record for the fastest Atlantic crossing by a steamship.

/your gee whiz trivia for today

So what? The Flying Cloud was the world's fastest clipper ship. Being the best at a dead technology is not worth much.


3.bp.blogspot.com ?
 
2012-10-06 03:52:12 PM
A rusty boat in Philly? I know some people who might be interested

phillyist.com
 
2012-10-06 03:55:51 PM
This headline wouldn't happen to be an analogy for the country, would it?
 
2012-10-06 03:56:15 PM
"When I first moved to Philadelphia 12 years ago, I was riding to the airport..."

There's your problem right there. Get rid of all them airports, and the ships will reappear.
 
2012-10-06 03:57:04 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: They did a big push last year and raised a couple million dollars to be able to keep it in dock for a couple months. It's kind of sad since the Olympia sits up the river in need of tens of millions of dollars in repairs. People are trying to save another dumb cruiseship that should be a tramp steamer in the Phillipines while one of the five ships that define the evolution of American maritime power rusts away neglected.


Two new artificial reefs, waiting
 
2012-10-06 03:59:05 PM

olddinosaur: If a plausible reason to save her could have been discovered, someone would have done it by now.

She had her day in the sun but that day is over. Let her die in peace.


I think the problem is these "We're going to turn the ship into condos/casino/museum/etc" projects fail is they're always done in isolation. The deep water capable piers in Philly are not in the nicest section of town and no one wants to live there. A better idea would be to say buy up the old Brooklyn Naval Yard and bring in a half dozen ships. Plus warships as eye candy/museum pieces. Dock them all there, add infrastructure on the docks, and clean the area up. If you had hundreds to thousands of residents (either owning or renting on a passenger ship) and a steady stream of tourists to see the warships + whatever areas of the passenger ships was open to the public there is a chance you could get the economies of scale working. Plus you could get more support from the local and state government.

/also transatlantic steamer + Brooklyn = one of the most sought after hipster properties in NYC
 
2012-10-06 04:01:39 PM
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Three strikes, you're out!
 
2012-10-06 04:01:47 PM
Now? They've been trying to raise money for decades. Like someone else said, let it go because man, it's gone. Just like that Wright house from a few days ago. Preservationists make me think of a favorite quote from Duncan Idaho, the oldest man who ever lived:

"There's a time, Leto, a time when you're alive. A time when you're supposed to be alive. It can have a magic, that time, while you're living it. You know you're never going to see a time like that again."
 
2012-10-06 04:03:47 PM
I received a diploma for crossing the Atlantic on her. I was only three, but it is a connection. Preserving history IS what a great nation does.
 
2012-10-06 04:04:17 PM
Yeah, putting I95 on the waterfront was a great idea when Washington Ave on down was nothing but meatpacking plants, slaughter houses and manufacturing. When I moved to the Belle Vista/Queen Village area there were still warehouses all along Third Street.

Making tourists walk the hell out of the way to see a bunch of ships and the sunny vista of Camden? Not so much of a good idea.

TheOther: SockMonkeyHolocaust: They did a big push last year and raised a couple million dollars to be able to keep it in dock for a couple months. It's kind of sad since the Olympia sits up the river in need of tens of millions of dollars in repairs. People are trying to save another dumb cruiseship that should be a tramp steamer in the Phillipines while one of the five ships that define the evolution of American maritime power rusts away neglected.

Two new artificial reefs, waiting


I'd be sad to see the Olympia go, but the Oregon and a couple others of her class were made into reefs, too.
 
2012-10-06 04:04:47 PM

Tom_Slick: AlwaysRightBoy: I really cried when they sent the SS France to the scrap yard.
My dad spent 2 years on her when she was the Norway (for his retirement as an actor)


Fun Fact the S.S. United States was the first choice of Norwegian Cruise Lines over the S.S. France, but at the time the design of the engine was still being used in U.S. Navy Ships so the Government wouldn't allow the sale.


Thanks for that info.

In the early 80s, the Norway made her way up into philly's harbor. They had to get guys up on the towers to blow torch the tips because she wouldn't fit under the bridge.

/met my dad there, introduced him to my wife -to-be and got on board
 
2012-10-06 04:06:18 PM
I sailed on it back in the 60's when I was 4. Still remember some of it. But that ship is like a junky old house people like to label historic. Its time to scrap it. Why waste multi-millions on it.
 
2012-10-06 04:15:16 PM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: People are trying to save another dumb cruiseship that should be a tramp steamer in the Phillipines while one of the five ships that define the evolution of American maritime power rusts away neglected.


Yes, we should always celebrate warmongering and violence, not peace and relaxation.

/troll out
 
2012-10-06 04:15:30 PM
FTFA: It is the last of the American ocean liners.

Not true. Norwegian Cruise Line's Pride of America is a US-flagged cruise ship that sails the Hawaiian Islands and has an entirely US and unionized crew. 

cruiseweb.com
 
2012-10-06 04:19:46 PM
Put Big Bird on it and sink the motherf@I(3R !
 
2012-10-06 04:24:57 PM

Intoxoman: I sailed on it back in the 60's when I was 4. Still remember some of it. But that ship is like a junky old house people like to label historic. Its time to scrap it. Why waste multi-millions on it.


Me too, same age, and I agree that some things aren't worth spending enormous resources to keep around.
 
GBB
2012-10-06 04:27:33 PM
Why are they not putting this on the KickStarter?? Get your big investors, yes, but also crowd source the hell out of this. There are plenty of cruise fanatics that would love them to offer special incentives for investing. Heck, if the plans fall through and they scrap the thing, they could at least cut up something from the ship to give to the investors so they won't be left completely empty handed.
 
2012-10-06 04:31:59 PM

Bladel: Why do we need to save it?

Where is America's Flagship Steam Locomotive? Or America's Flagship horse carriage?

We didn't need to save those...


You still wear short pants, don't you?
 
2012-10-06 04:32:02 PM

DSF6969: FTFA: It is the last of the American ocean liners.

Not true. Norwegian Cruise Line's Pride of America is a US-flagged cruise ship that sails the Hawaiian Islands and has an entirely US and unionized crew. 

[cruiseweb.com image 600x429]


Not quite the same thing. An ocean liner is a form of public transportation, serving fixed routes on a regular schedule for transportation purposes, just like the vehicles of an air or bus line. A cruise ship is not dissimilar, but is designed with the intent of the time on the boat itself being much or all of the pleasure. It's the difference between Greyhound and a tour bus, or Southwest and a sightseeing charter.
 
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