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2012-10-06 02:34:22 PM  
Damn. Where are all the car geeks? Out rallying or embarrassing Porsche's on the Nurburgring?

www.torquenews.com
 
2012-10-06 02:37:01 PM  
They're too busy busting a gut while reading the ignorant comments following the article.
 
2012-10-06 02:37:38 PM  
The Ariel Atom 2 I drove was far sillier, more dangerous, and frankly a lot more fun than the Caterham.
 
2012-10-06 02:38:52 PM  
It looks like a phallus
 
2012-10-06 02:42:36 PM  

Mael99: They're too busy busting a gut while reading the ignorant comments following the article.


Well, a mention of the weight to HP ratio (and a valid comparison) would have meant more than just a raw HP number. The real problem is a poorly written Internet piece that fails to convey the message, but I am not shocked at that.
 
2012-10-06 02:52:50 PM  
The Caterham 7 was a perfectly balanced machine. Any attempt to add more power to it would just upset the balance and turn it into a spin dryer.
 
2012-10-06 02:58:39 PM  
I remember as a child my father had a Lotus Super Seven twincam he bought off Chapman, we were in a bad car accident when I was young so my mom made him get rid of it.

What I remember most about that car was how incredibly small it was. As a child you always think things are so big, but that car was tiny, the door was superfluous the windshield was a joke, but god damn that thing was fun to ride in. My father indoctrinated me to leaking British sports cars early.
 
2012-10-06 03:14:17 PM  

Donau: I remember as a child my father had a Lotus Super Seven twincam he bought off Chapman, we were in a bad car accident when I was young so my mom made him get rid of it.

What I remember most about that car was how incredibly small it was. As a child you always think things are so big, but that car was tiny, the door was superfluous the windshield was a joke, but god damn that thing was fun to ride in. My father indoctrinated me to leaking British sports cars early.


Amen, brother.
 
2012-10-06 03:35:47 PM  
Pay $75-large? Bah...build your own, ya lazy farkers!

LocostUSA
 
2012-10-06 05:14:45 PM  
Meanwhile, this car is growing on me.

www.gtspirit.com
 
2012-10-06 06:05:19 PM  
Caterham: Because fark aerodynamics, that's why.
 
2012-10-06 07:08:42 PM  
They are nice but I still want a Morgan...
 
2012-10-06 11:11:46 PM  

tomWright: Damn. Where are all the car geeks? Out rallying or embarrassing Porsche's on the Nurburgring?

[www.torquenews.com image 500x376]


Sorry, been out at the track all day. Last run of the season. Gonna be out there all day tomorrow too.

Good on Caterham for putting a blower on that thing, they're only 10 years behind Donkervoort

/if you're gonna go big, go REAL big
 
2012-10-06 11:33:45 PM  
The mark of quality!

is01.thegumtree.com
it's spy-worthy!
 
2012-10-07 01:17:59 AM  

rohar: Sorry, been out at the track all day. Last run of the season. Gonna be out there all day tomorrow too.


You lucky bastid, you! ;^)

I spent the morning welding on a tube frame, and the after noon and evening (until 9 pm) setting up and then doing a massive infusion of an undertray for a customer who's rig will be at my shop Monday at 0530. No rest for the weary.
 
2012-10-07 01:18:04 AM  
Top Gear tested the Caterham, the crossbow, and the Morgan 3 wheeler.

They all kind of suck as cars but they are fast on the track. Well except the Morgan, that sucked everywhere.

Well tbh they love the caterham but say your a huge geek if you drive one and no one will invite you to dinner.
 
2012-10-07 01:36:14 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: rohar: Sorry, been out at the track all day. Last run of the season. Gonna be out there all day tomorrow too.

You lucky bastid, you! ;^)

I spent the morning welding on a tube frame, and the after noon and evening (until 9 pm) setting up and then doing a massive infusion of an undertray for a customer who's rig will be at my shop Monday at 0530. No rest for the weary.


I'm not sure I'd say "lucky". I sent one of my cars out with a friend driving at a PCA DE. Hours of pacing the tarmac acting like a nervous mother. Lots of time in the dead head seat as an instructor. I did manage to get a few laps in. I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.

/Go deep, then brake hard
//don't upset the car
///damnit dude, you're upsetting the car!
////you're doing it again...
 
2012-10-07 01:57:59 AM  

rohar: I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.


Yes...I've been monitoring your progress over on that $500 shiatbox racing forum. :^)
 
2012-10-07 02:09:13 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: rohar: I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.

Yes...I've been monitoring your progress over on that $500 shiatbox racing forum. :^)


Great, I've got groupies... :)

Damned thing ran like snot. I gotta be back out there in like 8 hours. I can't sleep. It was that kinda awesome.
 
2012-10-07 02:12:55 AM  
Oh, and you like the 11:00pm drunk as snot spur of the moment rim paint? Tractor Supply paint, it's been the talk of the DE.
 
2012-10-07 02:57:30 AM  

rohar: StoneColdAtheist: rohar: I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.

Yes...I've been monitoring your progress over on that $500 shiatbox racing forum. :^)

Great, I've got groupies... :)

Damned thing ran like snot. I gotta be back out there in like 8 hours. I can't sleep. It was that kinda awesome.


Got a link to said $500 shiatbox racing forum?
 
2012-10-07 03:20:52 AM  

eddievercetti: Meanwhile, this car is growing on me.

[www.gtspirit.com image 480x280]


What model is that? It looks interesting.
 
2012-10-07 09:40:00 AM  

lewismarktwo: rohar: StoneColdAtheist: rohar: I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.

Yes...I've been monitoring your progress over on that $500 shiatbox racing forum. :^)

Great, I've got groupies... :)

Damned thing ran like snot. I gotta be back out there in like 8 hours. I can't sleep. It was that kinda awesome.

Got a link to said $500 shiatbox racing forum?


Link

The thread in question. Alcohol may or may not have been involved.
 
2012-10-07 10:17:45 AM  
Half the fun of an outrageous hotrod is building the damn thing. If I'm going to plunk down seventy large, I want a real car, with aerodynamics and handling and real car shiat like that.
 
2012-10-07 10:56:29 AM  
Rohar are you at Daytona this weekend? I was thinking they had a PCA race/de event there. Wort student I ever had at a PCA event was an older fellow in a caymen. Almost ran us off into the trees at Robling three times.
 
2012-10-07 12:22:18 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: eddievercetti: Meanwhile, this car is growing on me.

[www.gtspirit.com image 480x280]

What model is that? It looks interesting.


BAC Mono
 
2012-10-07 02:08:27 PM  

rohar: lewismarktwo: rohar: StoneColdAtheist: rohar: I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.

Yes...I've been monitoring your progress over on that $500 shiatbox racing forum. :^)

Great, I've got groupies... :)

Damned thing ran like snot. I gotta be back out there in like 8 hours. I can't sleep. It was that kinda awesome.

Got a link to said $500 shiatbox racing forum?

Link

The thread in question. Alcohol may or may not have been involved.


Thanks.
 
2012-10-07 02:58:11 PM  
www.independent.co.uk

"PPPOOOOWWWWEEERRRRRRR!!!!!, and does anyone have a handiwipe?"
 
2012-10-07 07:08:23 PM  

rohar: I did manage to get a few laps in. I don't think those uppidy 911 and boxter drivers were really ready for me to overtake them in a $500 944.


Le Mons?
 
2012-10-07 09:22:13 PM  

Semi-Semetic: Rohar are you at Daytona this weekend? I was thinking they had a PCA race/de event there. Wort student I ever had at a PCA event was an older fellow in a caymen. Almost ran us off into the trees at Robling three times.


Nope, hometown. Spokane County Raceway. 2.6 miles of terror. I was track support for my own car and a friend of mine. Our relationship couldn't handle him being a student and me being an instructor so others had to experience the terror. Both the car and driver did well. Honestly we've only got about 3 months worth of weekends into the car and the driver started learning yesterday morning. EOD today, he was challenging Pro 3 cars and drivers. Total cost so far, $2500 including a set of rubber. Go on, buy a blown Caterham. grin/$, you just can't beat an old 944.
 
2012-10-07 10:39:06 PM  
Sorry...offline today. Went to look at a 7.3 PSD long-block this morning instead. The one in my Excursion sucked an exhaust valve head or glow plug tip while on Carquinez Bridge, so I need a replacement.

Good job with the '44. I have "those" kind of customers, too, and fully understand your situation. In fact, that's why we worked until 9pm last night, and then until 6 this evening after checking out the PSD (yes, I'll prolly buy it). His transporter is passing thru tomorrow at 0530 on its way back from a vintage event, and they want to pick up a new undertray.

Damn...I'm glad some of the wealthy don't mind dropping a dime now and then! ;)
 
2012-10-07 11:21:24 PM  
Tell me about it. That was the whole point of the weekend for me. Send a car out and sit back and chat with all the Porsche owners during their down time. Make lots of contacts with $100k cars. Try and fill the schedule for the winter.

Bummer on the diesel dude, few more wasted days on unscheduled maintenance. Reminds me, I gotta do the passenger side knuckle on mine. It's probably so seized up it's gonna take hours with a sledge. Meh, maintenance.
 
2012-10-08 05:55:05 PM  
i confess, i do have a bit of a plan for a project car, once the boat's built.

67-69 fastback mustang. i like the 2+2 look. it's classic.

gut it. strip it. if the block is a 302/351w/351c, keep it. otherwise, sell the parts.

restore the body. reinforce where needed to stiffen the frame for cornering. install roll cage. carbon-fiber parts where possible.

install new tranny. probably six-speed manual.

build engine. 351C block preferred, go full digital fuel injection with live controls/monitoring. sensors/adjustments out the ASS. twin turbos(smaller turbo=less lag). side exhausts, shelby style. external bypass on the turbine sides for that 'F/A-18D on takeoff' howl when i romp on it. digital profiling to change response depending on throttle/gear/loading.

air suspension. full digital on-the-fly control. variable rate suspension to stiffen it up in turns and smooth out the straights.

target horses are in the 5-600 range. considering those clevelands could be ramped up to 400 in non-blown high-tuned builds i'm willing to bet twin turbo could wring a hell of a lot more out of it.


obviously for weekend driving.
 
2012-10-08 10:34:26 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: i confess, i do have a bit of a plan for a project car, once the boat's built.

67-69 fastback mustang. i like the 2+2 look. it's classic.

gut it. strip it. if the block is a 302/351w/351c, keep it. otherwise, sell the parts.

restore the body. reinforce where needed to stiffen the frame for cornering. install roll cage. carbon-fiber parts where possible.

install new tranny. probably six-speed manual.

build engine. 351C block preferred, go full digital fuel injection with live controls/monitoring. sensors/adjustments out the ASS. twin turbos(smaller turbo=less lag). side exhausts, shelby style. external bypass on the turbine sides for that 'F/A-18D on takeoff' howl when i romp on it. digital profiling to change response depending on throttle/gear/loading.

air suspension. full digital on-the-fly control. variable rate suspension to stiffen it up in turns and smooth out the straights.

target horses are in the 5-600 range. considering those clevelands could be ramped up to 400 in non-blown high-tuned builds i'm willing to bet twin turbo could wring a hell of a lot more out of it.


obviously for weekend driving.


And this, my friends, is what's wrong with America.
 
2012-10-09 01:23:12 PM  

rohar: buttery_shame_cave: i confess, i do have a bit of a plan for a project car, once the boat's built.

67-69 fastback mustang. i like the 2+2 look. it's classic.

gut it. strip it. if the block is a 302/351w/351c, keep it. otherwise, sell the parts.

restore the body. reinforce where needed to stiffen the frame for cornering. install roll cage. carbon-fiber parts where possible.

install new tranny. probably six-speed manual.

build engine. 351C block preferred, go full digital fuel injection with live controls/monitoring. sensors/adjustments out the ASS. twin turbos(smaller turbo=less lag). side exhausts, shelby style. external bypass on the turbine sides for that 'F/A-18D on takeoff' howl when i romp on it. digital profiling to change response depending on throttle/gear/loading.

air suspension. full digital on-the-fly control. variable rate suspension to stiffen it up in turns and smooth out the straights.

target horses are in the 5-600 range. considering those clevelands could be ramped up to 400 in non-blown high-tuned builds i'm willing to bet twin turbo could wring a hell of a lot more out of it.


obviously for weekend driving.

And this, my friends, is what's wrongright with America.

 
2012-10-09 01:47:06 PM  

rohar: buttery_shame_cave: i confess, i do have a bit of a plan for a project car, once the boat's built.

67-69 fastback mustang. i like the 2+2 look. it's classic.

gut it. strip it. if the block is a 302/351w/351c, keep it. otherwise, sell the parts.

restore the body. reinforce where needed to stiffen the frame for cornering. install roll cage. carbon-fiber parts where possible.

install new tranny. probably six-speed manual.

build engine. 351C block preferred, go full digital fuel injection with live controls/monitoring. sensors/adjustments out the ASS. twin turbos(smaller turbo=less lag). side exhausts, shelby style. external bypass on the turbine sides for that 'F/A-18D on takeoff' howl when i romp on it. digital profiling to change response depending on throttle/gear/loading.

air suspension. full digital on-the-fly control. variable rate suspension to stiffen it up in turns and smooth out the straights.

target horses are in the 5-600 range. considering those clevelands could be ramped up to 400 in non-blown high-tuned builds i'm willing to bet twin turbo could wring a hell of a lot more out of it.


obviously for weekend driving.

And this, my friends, is what's wrong with America.


by 'wrong' are you referring to how someone with mechanical aptitude and attention to detail can, with access to proper equipment, build a supercar on their own time and budget?

yes, i get a kick out of watching folks build chump-cars. it's fantastic to see budget speed demons at work.

but i want a car where, should some twat in a souped-up honda flip me the bird on the freeway, i can do the aforementioned 'shift to third and stomp on it' and sure, he might actually be faster than me(doubt it quite heavily. the 'monster-stang' is not my first project car on the old pony chassis and i have a history with cleveland blocks), but what he WON'T be is anywhere near as intimidating, as V-8 roar gives way to jet-fighter scream.

also, it'll be something to tool about in when i'm old. like how carrol shelby whipped all over the california countryside in his old ACs.
 
2012-10-09 02:54:41 PM  
Okay, boys...there's room enough in the sandbox for both of you to play. :^)

/still has his BBF '73 'Stang 10.90 drag car and the Cleveland 4v that came out of it...
//AND the small displacement high-revving 4-banger road racing cars (going down 1 or 2 soon)
///gearheads united, mkay?
 
2012-10-09 07:05:39 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Okay, boys...there's room enough in the sandbox for both of you to play. :^)

/still has his BBF '73 'Stang 10.90 drag car and the Cleveland 4v that came out of it...
//AND the small displacement high-revving 4-banger road racing cars (going down 1 or 2 soon)
///gearheads united, mkay?


damn right. i swear to god the Cleveland was one of the best blocks ford ever came up with. had one in a 73 grande that was just FUN. rebuilt and restored, got 'er down to 12s before they wouldn't let me come back on account of no roll-cage.

and the wee sewing machines are a hoot and a half to drive. we use to whip around old logging roads in alaska in 4-bangers stripped down for rally racing. we called it 'boomshanka'.

developed a healthy respect for hondas after ripping the back end off one trying to jump a log, and kept going, tail-end dragging down the road.
 
2012-10-09 07:21:53 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: StoneColdAtheist: Okay, boys...there's room enough in the sandbox for both of you to play. :^)

/still has his BBF '73 'Stang 10.90 drag car and the Cleveland 4v that came out of it...
//AND the small displacement high-revving 4-banger road racing cars (going down 1 or 2 soon)
///gearheads united, mkay?

damn right. i swear to god the Cleveland was one of the best blocks ford ever came up with. had one in a 73 grande that was just FUN. rebuilt and restored, got 'er down to 12s before they wouldn't let me come back on account of no roll-cage.

and the wee sewing machines are a hoot and a half to drive. we use to whip around old logging roads in alaska in 4-bangers stripped down for rally racing. we called it 'boomshanka'.

developed a healthy respect for hondas after ripping the back end off one trying to jump a log, and kept going, tail-end dragging down the road.


Nope, the Cleveland is all that and a box of rocks, but you can drive a rabbit for 3 months with a hole in the tranny the size of your fist.

I have no respect for hondas...
 
2012-10-09 09:40:33 PM  

rohar: I have no respect for hondas...


Now come on, statements like that remind me of 911 guys with more money than talent holding their noses in the air while '44s drive around them.

/lights candle and bows in general direction of Cleveland...the ultimate expression of cheap gas, cheap cast iron and large intake valves
 
2012-10-09 10:37:30 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: rohar: I have no respect for hondas...

Now come on, statements like that remind me of 911 guys with more money than talent holding their noses in the air while '44s drive around them.

/lights candle and bows in general direction of Cleveland...the ultimate expression of cheap gas, cheap cast iron and large intake valves


Nice. Those tail draggin elitist bastards pay my bills so I'm probably biased. Truth be told you can get into a real sports car for the same price as a honda. No matter how big a turbo and whale tail you put on a honda, you ain't cutting a 1:55 at SCR. Just isn't gonna happen.
 
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