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(NBC News)   "Once I caught a group of tourists who set a table on the Spanish Steps, with table cloth and cutlery. This has to stop"   (worldnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 81
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2012-10-06 02:20:58 PM

Barricaded Gunman: TheOther: I blame the Austrians for WWI and do you know who else was Austrian?

Crocodile Dundee?


Mel Gibson.
 
2012-10-06 02:23:58 PM

Virulency: spawn73: "Most of them are foreigners, so I doubt they will pay the ticket before they go back to their countries," the officer said. "It's more likely they'll keep it as a souvenir."

It's all part of the charm of southern Italy. :)

guess it could turn into a collection! collect one at every site!


Thanks to you, I now understand where those damn collectable flags in Assassin's Creed came from.
 
2012-10-06 02:38:21 PM
The thread was over before it started.

"Most of them are foreigners, so I doubt they will pay the ticket before they go back to their countries," the officer said. "It's more likely they'll keep it as a souvenir."
 
2012-10-06 02:38:25 PM
FTA:

When asked about this complaint, three local policemen patrolling the area told NBC News that there was no need for a sign.

"It'$ common $ense," one officer said.
 

No signage makes its appear like they want to milk clueless tourists with bullshiat fines.
 
2012-10-06 02:39:26 PM

TheOther: Barricaded Gunman: TheOther: I blame the Austrians for WWI and do you know who else was Austrian?

Crocodile Dundee?

Mel Gibson.


Mel Gibson was born and raised in New York he moved to Argentina when he was 15 after his dad won some money on Jeopardy.
 
2012-10-06 02:40:38 PM

TheOther: MisterLoki: TheOther: Not bombing Rome and Vienna flat was a sentimental mistake by the Allies.

Hey, Vienna is a great city.

I blame the Austrians for WWI and do you know who else was Austrian? F*ck Austria.


Falco?
 
2012-10-06 02:49:43 PM

Dinjiin: Meh, fark Rome. It was the most disappointing part of my trip to Italy. The place had some of the most overpriced, substandard food I had in the country. Actually, just about everything was overpriced, even when in comparison to Florence or Venice. The city is horribly filthy. Some monuments were homes to huge colonies of feral cats and the smell of urine was overpowering. And it is a pain to get around because the subway sucks and street signs are a PITA to see.

I enjoyed the smaller towns like Livorno and Lucca. Awesome food, great prices, smaller crowds.


Lucca is great--- no tourists at all . I worked on a project there.
 
2012-10-06 02:50:30 PM

MisterLoki: TheOther: MisterLoki: TheOther: Not bombing Rome and Vienna flat was a sentimental mistake by the Allies.

Hey, Vienna is a great city.

I blame the Austrians for WWI and do you know who else was Austrian? F*ck Austria.

Falco?


Nena?
 
2012-10-06 03:04:51 PM

thamike: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

This is possibly the most generous representation of tourist behavior in Rome. 


[3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x320]

This is a generous representation of a typical aftermath.


Yes, yes it all sounds draconian, until you have seen it.


I have to say, the issue here isn't the cops or city of Rome being douchebags...it's the tourists who seem to think that because they're in ROME they should be ALLOWED to be douchebags. Setting up a table? Chopping watermelon? Come ON people. You're the reason the rest of us can't have nice things.

Then the problem becomes the law has to be even-handedly (if heavy-handedly) enforced, because these same douchebags will be the first to whine as soon as they're forced to pack up their seven-course picnic lunch "But what about that woman over there? She's sitting down eating a bag of chips! Why are you picking on us?" And since nobody can explain to idiots like this there's a difference between a quick handful of chips and an entire luncheon, everyone has to get a ticket.
 
2012-10-06 03:07:19 PM
So it's not littering that's the problem it is crumbs and ice cream.

stone monuments that have stood for 2,000 years brought to an end by ice cream.

If I was there I'd love to eat a nice juicy hot dog and let the hot dog juices just flow onto the ground where the Caesars once walked.
 
2012-10-06 03:07:42 PM
someone should 'shop this with Italian cops:
us11.memecdn.com

/hot
 
2012-10-06 03:15:39 PM

TheOther: MisterLoki: TheOther: Not bombing Rome and Vienna flat was a sentimental mistake by the Allies.

Hey, Vienna is a great city.

I blame the Austrians for WWI and do you know who else was Austrian? F*ck Austria.


What did Crocodile Dundee ever do to you?
 
2012-10-06 03:21:10 PM

thamike: red5ish: I have lived most of my life in towns that would be classified as tourist or honeymoon destinations and I have seen this sort of thing first hand on a daily basis during the season.

Rome is having trouble with their tourists who aren't honeymooning or touring as much as fighting and puking. There is litter, then there is how the Brits treat the Spanish Steps. This law is silly, but not because it's draconian. It's silly because, much like the no littering/vandalism laws, it is barely enforceable just from the sheer numbers of overwhelming douchebags.


And srsly, who cuts up a watermelon in a public fountain?!
 
2012-10-06 03:21:45 PM

CygnusDarius: NexusSix: I never set up a table but my friends and I quickly realized that a nice bottle of wine was 5 euros (no excise tax!) and the random people at the Spanish Steps or Piazza Navona were more fun than the denizens of most of the bars and clubs.

If they're going to call the carabinieri on friendly drunk 20 year olds with terrible Italian, that's just awful. People from all over the world putzing around these monuments are a part of the monument.

Makes you wonder why the hell Facismo was born in Italy, no less.


You can find out. Start with reading up on the modernismo movement.
 
2012-10-06 03:34:25 PM

Teknowaffle: My rule to judge a tour destination in Europe: how many movies took place there in the late 40s through mid 60s? The more, the worse the city is nowadays for tourism.

Eastern Europe for capital cities, sleepy countryside towns for much of western Europe. (Scandanavia is big city only as it is Europe's suburb).


I dunno. I still like Paris. You have to avoid the Champs-Elysee, go shopping in Samaritaine rather than Lafayette, hang out on the left bank, St Germain and Les Halles, DEFINITELY avoid the area around Sacre Couer (pastiche bohemian art community) go to the d'Orsay rather than the Louvre, and you'll be fine.

The problem of all tourism is that once people realise something is interesting looking, they go, and to some extent, ruin it. I live near Bath in the UK and it's got beautiful architecture, but in the summer it's full of groups of marauding teenagers on international trips damaging any atmosphere. Not only that, you then get shops that pander to tourists, like crappy souvenir and gift shops.
 
2012-10-06 03:40:34 PM

Soymilk: thamike: red5ish: I have lived most of my life in towns that would be classified as tourist or honeymoon destinations and I have seen this sort of thing first hand on a daily basis during the season.

Rome is having trouble with their tourists who aren't honeymooning or touring as much as fighting and puking. There is litter, then there is how the Brits treat the Spanish Steps. This law is silly, but not because it's draconian. It's silly because, much like the no littering/vandalism laws, it is barely enforceable just from the sheer numbers of overwhelming douchebags.

And srsly, who cuts up a watermelon in a public fountain?!


A person that trusts the quality of the water, or of the public healthcare.
 
2012-10-06 03:44:21 PM

farkeruk: I dunno. I still like Paris. You have to avoid the Champs-Elysee, go shopping in Samaritaine rather than Lafayette, hang out on the left bank, St Germain and Les Halles, DEFINITELY avoid the area around Sacre Couer (pastiche bohemian art community) go to the d'Orsay rather than the Louvre, and you'll be fine.

The problem of all tourism is that once people realise something is interesting looking, they go, and to some extent, ruin it. I live near Bath in the UK and it's got beautiful architecture, but in the summer it's full of groups of marauding teenagers on international trips damaging any atmosphere. Not only that, you then get shops that pander to tourists, like crappy souvenir and gift shops.


When in San Francisco, avoid Pier 39 it's a hell hole and no locals go there for any reason as all the restaurants are horrible and don't have to compete for keeping regular customers. It's filled with homeless people begging for handouts or "artists" mugging for tips.

The Castro is a ghetto now. The bridge and tunnel crowd and the street urchins from The Haight have taken it over by camping on the streets in their own filth begging for drugs and cash.

The Haight is a Yuppified Disney version of what it once was. Costly boutiques and run-down bars.

Just stay away.

Maybe a downturn in tourism will get the city supervisors to start cleaning the place up.
 
2012-10-06 04:02:14 PM
This probably has as much to do with the restaurants and cafes that are on the piazzas and near monuments as the littering problem. A good example is Piazza di Rotonda and Piazza St. Eustachio. They're linked by a small street and packed with caffes (thecaffe IMHO St. Eustachio) gelaterias, pizzerias, restaurants and a very good deli/salumeria. (Oh and fecking McDonalds anchoring the north end of di Rotonda). Some of the places have outdoor seating and some don't and the litter can pile up on a busy day. The places with seating hate the people who walk around eating and frankly, after eating a sandwich from the deli a few times in front of the fountain in di Rotonda I realized it wasn't cool and took my food back to my apartment around the corner like a local.
 
2012-10-06 04:11:12 PM
Rome declares 'War on the Sandwich'

F*cking Fascist Pigs!!!
 
2012-10-06 05:12:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: thamike: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]

This is possibly the most generous representation of tourist behavior in Rome. 


[3.bp.blogspot.com image 550x320]

This is a generous representation of a typical aftermath.


Yes, yes it all sounds draconian, until you have seen it.

I have to say, the issue here isn't the cops or city of Rome being douchebags...it's the tourists who seem to think that because they're in ROME they should be ALLOWED to be douchebags. Setting up a table? Chopping watermelon? Come ON people. You're the reason the rest of us can't have nice things.

Then the problem becomes the law has to be even-handedly (if heavy-handedly) enforced, because these same douchebags will be the first to whine as soon as they're forced to pack up their seven-course picnic lunch "But what about that woman over there? She's sitting down eating a bag of chips! Why are you picking on us?" And since nobody can explain to idiots like this there's a difference between a quick handful of chips and an entire luncheon, everyone has to get a ticket.


The problem isn't the food ban. The problem is that they do not make the food ban known, so that people have a chance to obey the law.

They do not want the tourists to obey the law. It's a cash grab.
 
2012-10-06 05:50:03 PM
just empty your wallets and leave. thank you. we want the prosperity you bring without any of the headaches that accompanies it.

when in Rome, piss on the Romans.
 
2012-10-06 05:58:19 PM

lohphat: When in San Francisco, avoid Pier 39 it's a hell hole and no locals go there for any reason as all the restaurants are horrible and don't have to compete for keeping regular customers. It's filled with homeless people begging for handouts or "artists" mugging for tips.

The Castro is a ghetto now. The bridge and tunnel crowd and the street urchins from The Haight have taken it over by camping on the streets in their own filth begging for drugs and cash.

The Haight is a Yuppified Disney version of what it once was. Costly boutiques and run-down bars.


The Moulin Rouge. Was once a place for guys to pick up hookers who did the can-can (quite slowly). It then became a little more dignified and more of a show (but with girls flashing their hoo-hahs and also still lots of whoring). Today, it's a sanitised shows for tourists with a lot of money. You want to buy into what the Moulin Rouge was? Go round the corner into Pigalle and find a sex show that costs about half the price.
 
2012-10-06 06:14:07 PM

pedobearapproved: So it's not littering that's the problem it is crumbs and ice cream.
stone monuments that have stood for 2,000 years brought to an end by ice cream.
If I was there I'd love to eat a nice juicy hot dog and let the hot dog juices just flow onto the ground where the Caesars once walked.


Sure you would. You're one of those dick tourists. You want a cookie with that?
 
2012-10-06 06:17:47 PM
But they used to let lions eat in the Colosseum.
 
2012-10-06 07:03:51 PM

Kuroshin: The problem isn't the food ban. The problem is that they do not make the food ban known, so that people have a chance to obey the law.

They do not want the tourists to obey the law. It's a cash grab.


Oh definitely. I was just pointing out the tourist problem, not implying that the Italians would react even remotely ethical about it. Italy gave in to a klepto-fascist just to make the trains run on time, and they didn't even run on time.
 
2012-10-06 07:20:30 PM

thamike: Kuroshin: The problem isn't the food ban. The problem is that they do not make the food ban known, so that people have a chance to obey the law.

They do not want the tourists to obey the law. It's a cash grab.

Oh definitely. I was just pointing out the tourist problem, not implying that the Italians would react even remotely ethical about it. Italy gave in to a klepto-fascist just to make the trains run on time, and they didn't even run on time.


Oh yeah, totally. Like I said, this is a very Italian way of doing things. Not doubting the problems in the slightest. I farking hate tourists, and when I am away from my home I make damn sure that I do not look or behave like those tools. Fat bastards in loud clothing, leaving garbage all over the place while shouting to their relatives about nothing in particular (or gawping at "sights").

I agree with the ban. I simply do not agree with their implementation. Not that Italy gives a fark what I think. :D
 
2012-10-06 08:25:32 PM

farkeruk: The Moulin Rouge. Was once a place for guys to pick up hookers who did the can-can (quite slowly). It then became a little more dignified and more of a show (but with girls flashing their hoo-hahs and also still lots of whoring). Today, it's a sanitised shows for tourists with a lot of money. You want to buy into what the Moulin Rouge was? Go round the corner into Pigalle and find a sex show that costs about half the price.


I have. Ever been to "The Loving Chair" I have a great story about a colleague and I there in 1997

/lived in the 4th 1996-98
 
2012-10-06 09:31:29 PM

farkeruk: Teknowaffle: My rule to judge a tour destination in Europe: how many movies took place there in the late 40s through mid 60s? The more, the worse the city is nowadays for tourism.

Eastern Europe for capital cities, sleepy countryside towns for much of western Europe. (Scandanavia is big city only as it is Europe's suburb).

I dunno. I still like Paris. You have to avoid the Champs-Elysee, go shopping in Samaritaine rather than Lafayette, hang out on the left bank, St Germain and Les Halles, DEFINITELY avoid the area around Sacre Couer (pastiche bohemian art community) go to the d'Orsay rather than the Louvre, and you'll be fine.

The problem of all tourism is that once people realise something is interesting looking, they go, and to some extent, ruin it. I live near Bath in the UK and it's got beautiful architecture, but in the summer it's full of groups of marauding teenagers on international trips damaging any atmosphere. Not only that, you then get shops that pander to tourists, like crappy souvenir and gift shops.


You see, it's off-the-cuff advice like this that keeps me coming back to Fark. And France.
 
2012-10-06 10:05:46 PM

lohphat: I have. Ever been to "The Loving Chair" I have a great story about a colleague and I there in 1997


Aren't you going to tell us?
 
2012-10-06 10:06:12 PM

Allen. The end.: And France.


When I first went to Europe, I was expecting France to be the worst country on the trip. My time in Paris was actually some of the best.

Three simple rules to enjoy yourself in Paris:
1) don't be an a-hole; be patient, be courteous
2) learn some common phrases and how to count in French; most of them can speak basic English and some can speak German, but it is rude to assume (see rule 1)
3) they hate the Chinese tourists more than they'll hate you, so see rules 1 & 2 to keep it that way 

I really have to emphasize rule 2. If you take the time to learn a few words of their lingo, they tend to treat you better (you upgrade from rude to big city indifferent). Food related phrases are most helpful. Oh, and bring a canvas shopping bag. Most of western Europe charges for bags at the supermarket.
 
2012-10-07 08:57:03 AM

spawn73: It's all part of the charm of southern Italy. :)


Rome's not in southern Italy; it's central Italy. Southern Italy begins somewhere south of Lazio.

Naples is southern Italy. Likewise, northern Italy begins somewhere south of Florence.

/Rome is a nice balance between the two.
 
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