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(LA Times)   Interesting: California mayor decides to take up the issue of the homeless in his city. Fark: By attempting to shut down established charities that help them. Ultra Fark: His term expires in November   (latimes.com) divider line 89
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2012-10-06 09:39:49 AM
5 votes:
The difference between SoCal and NorCal has always amazed me. I used to live in SoCal and they're much more conservative, generally speaking, than the rest of us. It's true there are little pockets on both sides of the aisle scattered throughout the state, but how the people in SoCal react to something is vastly different than how we up here in Fogland react to it. Apparently in Smogland, the proper response to working poor, low income elderly and homeless is to destroy the safety net that is not costing local government a damn thing. I thought that's what the conservatives wanted. The government out of the charity business and for private charities and churches to care for the poor. I guess they lied.

Up here in Fogland, we have a place in Sacramento that serves a hot meal every day, several area churches serve hot meals at least once a month, a clothes closet that provides free clothing once a month (you sign in with your social security number or other ID), mental health counseling - a wide variety of services are available here. Of course this attracts people from other areas as well, but that's because they simply do not have services available in their community. The difference between Smogland and Fogland though is I think most of us here are fairly centrist in our ideology and know how to strike that balance between "this is what we would like" and "this is the reality of the situation". The various aid organizations here also have political, business and community support for the most part, three things that a friend of mine who is active with the very poor and homeless says are vital for any charity work in a community.

We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up. 


/was very poor for a very long time
//got better, but still not exactly rich
2012-10-06 08:29:17 AM
5 votes:
People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.
2012-10-06 02:13:27 PM
3 votes:
Ok, I usually avoid this tab like the plague, but since I live about 1/4 mile down the street from the soup kitchen in question and pass it about 10 times a day, I'm weighing in on this one. Anyone who feels that the quite modest local homeless population here is an issue has never been to Santa Cruz or SF. I'd say here we have a population of maybe 35 - 50 folks, the vast majority of which make themselves scarce except at mealtime. I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.
2012-10-06 10:22:33 AM
3 votes:

whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?


All charties except one type. Can you guess where they want the poor to go? A long time ago this was one of the core mechanics of spreading and enforcing religion. You get food, and they get a follower that in turn increases their influence. If you leave the fold, they'll cut you off. Unless you find a different group to do business with, you'll become poor. And thus the circle of captivity is complete.
2012-10-06 10:12:35 AM
3 votes:

sno man: Your sarcasm detector might be due for it's 3000 post oil change.


Well the slashie part was honest, if unhelpful, editorializing.On a similar note, I once worked near a methadone clinic and wouldn't really have especially wanted to live near it. NIMBY in action. See the ongoing saga and opposition to homeless Tent Cities in Seattle and King County.

Seattle (and other cities) have tried an interesting solution for chronic inebriates in the name of harm reduction. Just give them housing straight off the bat: no rules or having to attend counseling or stop drinking or any strings attached. Turns out to save millions (4) of dollars per year just by doing this for about 75 people as they were ending up in the emergency room and jail so often. Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.
2012-10-06 09:24:21 AM
3 votes:
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2012-10-06 09:12:28 AM
3 votes:
Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?
2012-10-06 04:22:26 PM
2 votes:
Paraphrased from the comments, but my sentiments: I remember when Ronald Reagan decided to close some of the state mental hospitals and care facilities. As a result we have these same people walking the streets of California. The homeless problem won't go away unless a way to eliminate homelessness is found. Unfortunately too many of the homeless are in need of the mental health services that were eliminated by Ronald Reagan. So, if someone wants to blame someone for the homeless, blame Ronald Reagan, that tin god Republicans worship.

If this is going to be a Christian nation, as republitards say, that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.
2012-10-06 12:50:15 PM
2 votes:

badhatharry: DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?

I would wonder what's going at the LA Times.


And then you'll forget it, and continue to level your charges of media bias in the future.

It's called selection bias, and you're soaking in it.
2012-10-06 12:34:46 PM
2 votes:

skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.


Yes, because I have never heard other whackadoodles talk about how ridiculous it is that charities give to the poor.
2012-10-06 12:32:21 PM
2 votes:

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


So why isn't this guy proposing a place to house the mentally ill? Why isn't he proposing drug treatment? No, he wants to starve them out of the area, even if it means some old people go hungry, too. It really is that simple.
2012-10-06 12:23:00 PM
2 votes:
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
2012-10-06 12:19:17 PM
2 votes:
For a nation that talks so much about Christian values and how much God loves us, we sure do shiat all over the poor and downtrodden every chance we get.
2012-10-06 10:23:57 AM
2 votes:

wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.



theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens
2012-10-06 10:15:26 AM
2 votes:
The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.
2012-10-06 10:13:22 AM
2 votes:
The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?
2012-10-06 09:18:25 AM
2 votes:
What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.
2012-10-06 09:06:19 AM
2 votes:

randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious
2012-10-06 09:00:32 AM
2 votes:

jso2897: randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.


Blurp. Costa Mesa, rather.
Moar caffeine.
2012-10-06 08:59:13 AM
2 votes:

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.
2012-10-06 08:45:35 AM
2 votes:
That's disgusting.
2012-10-06 08:45:55 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).
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My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.

Oh, wow. Do you throw in a buck or two each Sunday to help support it? You must feel quite smug and happy about that.


I'd REALLY like to see some activist liberal political group "turn-to" and pony up some money and membership time sacrifice and put on some Sunday (or Saturday, whatever) breakfasts or dinners, like St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Tustin)

I'm not part of an activist liberal political group, I'm part of one of those churches you complimented earlier, but sure, it would be great if some activist liberal political group donated money to my church to support our lunch program.

/Fortunately, the mayor of my town won't stop us from feeding people.
2012-10-06 08:32:05 PM
1 votes:
We now have actual homeless people spamming fark on behalf of the GOP. Did this plan to put wi-fi hotspots on them go through?
2012-10-06 08:29:39 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).

As I said: it's really not about political party, regardless of what you libtards believe you see through your rose-colored glasses. Lots of help for homeless and poor people comes from both liberal (ex: Episcopalian) and conservative (ex: Rick Warren's Saddleback M ...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.
2012-10-06 08:22:30 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Gyrfalcon: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...


>>>>Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear

That's exactly what happened to the guy I mentioned above. He's had a Santa Ana court date for a "camping" ticket (from SAPD) and missed it by one day. So they got a bench warrant for that - THEN tried to say that that was his 3rd strike (he got out of Soledad (SVSP) 6 years ago and has been "straight and narrow" since. Luckily he had gotten to know a Tustin PD cop, of all people, who basically went to the Santa Ana Court and told the judge that the situation was bullshiat, so he got off with a loose probation. Now he stays around Tustin and away from Santa Ana.

This guy is in his late 30s now and had a violent past (home invasion, ADW) in his teens. Nicest guy in the world, now. He learned, and rehabilitated himself, but the System still has his number.


Man, I hope it wasn't the guy I knew in the psych ward....poor guy couldn't catch a break.
2012-10-06 08:03:16 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...



>>>>Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear

That's exactly what happened to the guy I mentioned above. He's had a Santa Ana court date for a "camping" ticket (from SAPD) and missed it by one day. So they got a bench warrant for that - THEN tried to say that that was his 3rd strike (he got out of Soledad (SVSP) 6 years ago and has been "straight and narrow" since. Luckily he had gotten to know a Tustin PD cop, of all people, who basically went to the Santa Ana Court and told the judge that the situation was bullshiat, so he got off with a loose probation. Now he stays around Tustin and away from Santa Ana.

This guy is in his late 30s now and had a violent past (home invasion, ADW) in his teens. Nicest guy in the world, now. He learned, and rehabilitated himself, but the System still has his number.
2012-10-06 07:37:00 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.


Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."
2012-10-06 07:26:48 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.
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2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Stereotype much?

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of..


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Conservative farker who is one of the 47% complaining about a conservative mayor, blaming the ACLU, bemoaning the awful liberals while condemning someone else's "political asshattery", upset that the state is saving money by shutting down public (FREE) showers...

My head hurts.
2012-10-06 07:23:31 PM
1 votes:

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Anaheim versus Chula Vista. Talk about a no win situation.

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/Chula Vista to Anaheim in three weeks = 4.95 miles/per day

//Doesn't sound like too motivated of a guy.


As the crow flies.

A bit longer if you are walking on non-freeway streets. 

/did I mention that you are a simpleton?
2012-10-06 07:19:56 PM
1 votes:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.


Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...
2012-10-06 06:17:40 PM
1 votes:
FYI, this doesn't necessarily represent all or even most of Orange County. Costa Mesa is a place that prides itself on inflated property values. When aircraft fly over Costa Mesa, they're legally required to turn down the engines so they don't upset the residents of Costa Mesa. I'm honestly shocked that the city hasn't taken to bussing the homeless to Santa Ana.
2012-10-06 04:41:51 PM
1 votes:

retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.


Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.
2012-10-06 04:41:34 PM
1 votes:
You can't just lock a person in an institution. ACLU would never allow it.

Starting in the 1960s, there has been a worldwide trend toward moving psychiatric patients from hospital settings to less restricting settings in the community, a shift known as "deinstitutionalization." Because the shift was typically not accompanied by a commensurate development of community-based services, critics say that deinstitutionalization has led to large numbers of people who would once have been inpatients being incarcerated in jails and prisons or becoming homeless when outpatient services are not available or they choose not to adhere to treatment outside the hospital. In some jurisdictions, laws authorizing court-ordered outpatient treatment have been passed in an effort to compel individuals with chronic, untreated severe mental illness to accept treatment while living outside the hospital.
2012-10-06 04:28:42 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Okay we'll let them live near you instead. How about that? I'm sure there's a suitable building fairly close to where you live. You can even work there. I'm sure you won't mind since you're so generous and kind with other peoples time and property, surely you are willing to deal with the old hungry people and the belligerent drunks creating health and sanitation problems all around where you live. That would be fine right?

Cut the crap. If you had to deal with the problems associated with a soup kitchen your bleeding little heart would fly right out the damn window in a hurry.

All the programs you can name have been tried and always have limited success. One of the most irritating things about liberals is their refusal to acknowledge that there are just some people who will not be helped because they will drain whatever resource you provide for as long as you will provide it. I already gave a solution to the 'old but not homeless' people. If that's your primary concern then I gave you the solution.


Yes, because housing for the mentally ill must be smack-dab in the middle of a neighborhood. It couldn't be built outside of town in a more country-like area. I know that prisons are generally in suburban neighborhoods in your world, too. That is because you want to come off as a hard-ass, instead you come off as an idiot, and that's just sad.
2012-10-06 04:26:02 PM
1 votes:

TheOther: smitty04:

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Why isn't your sign in Spanish?


Because the ad is not aimed at the actual illegal aliens. See, in Arizona they have a phenomena known as "The Mists of Pandering". The mists, just like any other in lore, harbor an ancient evil. Except that in these mists, the evil takes the form of angry old men sporting tricorn hats and carrying incomprehensible misspelled signs. These horrible semi-mindless ghouls tend to gather in large groups where moan loudly and gesture violently to everyone who passes by. Not too dangerous, but their ramblings often allude to the use of guns and usurping of the American government.
2012-10-06 04:20:22 PM
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born_yesterday: Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious

Might I also suggest changing the laws regarding institutional commitment and flooding the streets with mentally ill?

/OK, now we're just being silly


No your not being silly. There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.
2012-10-06 04:14:51 PM
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the_vegetarian_cannibal: This is bad news... for Just Another Homeless OC Guy


Nope. I park elsewhere. Had a bad experience in Costa Mesa once. Only time we got accosted in the camper by someone trying to rob us. And the only time I had to use my Hot Shot Wasp Spray. (Not that I'm an ITG, but it put him into the hospital, and I understand he is now permanently blind in one eye and has chronic balance problems. I know this because he tried to sue us! LOL!) I called 911 of course and when the Costa Mesa cops arrived (20 minutes of the guy rolling around on the ground screaming) they took him to hospital/jail and let us go, cause the guy had a knife and "Gee, officer, I just kept the wasp spray around for, you know, wasps. It was the only thing I had at hand when the guy yanked open the camper door with the knife in his hand."
2012-10-06 04:08:04 PM
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randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


>>>>There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless

True. And also among the HOUSED residents of Costa Mesa. It's quite a Party City. And all the drivers are assholes.
2012-10-06 04:05:04 PM
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HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


THIS.

I've eaten at Someone Cares many times and know a lot about it, as well as the shiathole known as Costa Mesa.

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.

Second, homeless people go to Costa Mesa because:

1) the average temperature is 10 degrees cooler than places like Santa Ana.

2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

3) it's fairly well-to-do in areas and panhandling can bring in decent money.

4) if you keep a low profile the cops generally don't hassle you since the are busy responding the rampant drug/alcohol use in that town and the farked up self-obsessed insane drivers.

Third, maybe HALF of the people that use Someone Cares are NOT homeless. They are very low income people who live in the crappy, overpriced apartments in the area.

Fourth, Someone Cares is there because of the homeless; the homeless are NOT there because of Someone Cares.

Excellent place to eat. On 19th, across from the Smart & Final. You line up starting at 12:30. Alcohol on your breath or obvious high? Don't bother getting in line; you will be bounced. Place seats about 80 people at a time, generally 300-400 on any given day. 5 days a week. If you are in the first group, when you get inside, you find a seat. They let people get into the actual food line either by table, or generally seniors first, then ladies and families with small kids, then men. If you in a later group you go directly to the food line. Full course meals: meat, vegie(s), fruit, bread, dessert. The meat may change during the course of the day. The food is VERY tasty and nutritious. The head chef is a lady with a couple of decades of experience. You can get three servings. Each time you get in line someone makes a small permanent marker dot on your hand as a counter.

When you are done eating you can get "to-go" stuff, generally fruit, or just-expired/day-old stuff from Trader Joe and Starbucks. Also bread - ALL the bread you want, all different kinds.

They also occasionally have clothing and toy give-aways, and have tutoring and ESL classes. Every few months a medical van shows up for free medical exams.
2012-10-06 03:45:33 PM
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Gyrfalcon: thatboyoverthere: RanDomino: jso2897
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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.

Except in this case he wasn't.

I was at the Someone Cares soup kitchen one day. Most of the consumers there were elderly, families, and disabled individuals. NOT your stereotypical homeless bums. And they have very strict rules about when they serve, how soon people can start lining up, etc. I know, I know, anecdotal evidence blah blah; but unless that was one very unique day, I really don't think bevies of panhandling freeloaders are descending on Costa Mesa daily to scarf up a few sandwiches and bananas. Most of them are local residents who would be seriously harmed by the closure of the kitchen.


You're right. Sorry I was distracted by him making a somewhat coherent post.
2012-10-06 03:24:00 PM
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thatboyoverthere: RanDomino: jso2897
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Rashnu
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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.


Except in this case he wasn't.

I was at the Someone Cares soup kitchen one day. Most of the consumers there were elderly, families, and disabled individuals. NOT your stereotypical homeless bums. And they have very strict rules about when they serve, how soon people can start lining up, etc. I know, I know, anecdotal evidence blah blah; but unless that was one very unique day, I really don't think bevies of panhandling freeloaders are descending on Costa Mesa daily to scarf up a few sandwiches and bananas. Most of them are local residents who would be seriously harmed by the closure of the kitchen.
2012-10-06 03:22:07 PM
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Another reason California needs to remove Orange County.
2012-10-06 02:53:28 PM
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The nearest hood appears to be Louisville. Which is, of course, completely relevant to TFA. *eyeroll*


Seriously, if this was a " 'hood", the rich folk wouldn't be all up in arms over the homeless. It's three blocks from the Newport Beach city limits. Terrifying to walk around here at night I can tell you.
2012-10-06 02:47:30 PM
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drewogatory: The nearest "hood" is probably in Santa Ana


The nearest hood appears to be Louisville. Which is, of course, completely relevant to TFA. *eyeroll*

PsiChick: DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark

I take it you have yet to see Once Upon A Time...

/The villainess is named Regina
//Thus, I'd bet this is a fake named based off that...


www.kineticframes.com

I haven't seen it. I probably won't ever see it.
2012-10-06 02:35:46 PM
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smitty04: drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.

If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.


what "hood" are you talking about? Seriously are you trolling? The nearest "hood" is probably in Santa Ana, and even there it's not exactly Oakland. I live right off of 19th and Monrovia and if you think having some hispanic residents counts as a hood, you are the biggest pussy I've ever seen.
2012-10-06 02:33:24 PM
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randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


how dare they try to share the planet with us in public

how dare they
2012-10-06 02:21:30 PM
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whatsupchuck
The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

Those who would eat must work.


TheOther
Why isn't your sign in Spanish?

Are you suggesting a government sign be written in Spanish?? This is AMERICA! We speak AMERICAN!


Lunchlady
I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.

Don't give anything to homeless people. Actually not kidding. Seriously, don't. Food is incredibly easy to get, and if it takes resources from churches then that's just a bonus.


birdboy2000
It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?

Homelessness has to be as miserable as possible, because it's a threat used to keep the working class from complaining.
2012-10-06 01:56:36 PM
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Shaggy_C: he just wants them somewhere else.


And for that he deserves to be tarred and feathered.
2012-10-06 01:50:51 PM
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FTFA: The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

Shut your farking noise holes you ugly assholes. "I have to look at homeless people when I go to the library. There are people whose existence makes me feel uncomfortable, and I have to look at them in public places that everyone has free access to."
2012-10-06 01:20:44 PM
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2012-10-06 01:09:17 PM
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Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


I'm a libby too, and I also dislike just handing over cash, particularly when there's a degree of intimidation involved, such as blocking my access to an entrance or exit. I've decided to start buying a few of those local grocery store gift cards, in the smallest denomination (which is $10, I wish they had them in $5), and the next time I'm in that situation I'll give a grocery card. Sure, it could be traded "on the street" for cash, but hopefully a significant percentage of the recipients will decided it's simply less work to walk two blocks to the grocery store and buy something than it is to sell the card. (And No, they'd don't sell beer or wine in the grocery stores in this county.)
2012-10-06 01:05:09 PM
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badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


His top priority when running for city council was keeping taxes low, he considered a Bush-supported attempt at Immigration reform "An affront to law-abiding Americans", and he is endorsed by the GOP in his current race.

Maybe, just maybe, your ideological blinders might be clouding things a bit.
2012-10-06 12:56:43 PM
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born_yesterday: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Really bringing the A-game today.


"Eel" O'Brien, Rita Farr Dayton, Reed Richards, Ralph Dibney, and Helen Parr only wish that they could reach as far as skullcrusher does.
2012-10-06 12:56:08 PM
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Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


Unfortunately, this.

Being able to successfully ask for money on the street is a talent that has little correlation with the actual desperate need being projected.
2012-10-06 12:49:14 PM
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I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.
2012-10-06 12:44:44 PM
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Hobodeluxe: born_yesterday: Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!

so you're rewriting the gospels now to fit your selfish ideology?


Why not? Worked for them!

To paraphrase Colbert, maybe it's time we just come out and admit we're not a Christian nation. I think it would be cathartic, what with the huge statues and altars to Mammon getting erected and all.

/And THAT solves your homeless problem
2012-10-06 12:40:07 PM
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randomjsa: There are problems associated with soup kitchens. You have to acknowledge that and figure out a way to deal with the problem. One solution is, yes, shut it down but is that the best and only solution?


I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.
2012-10-06 12:37:33 PM
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The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.
2012-10-06 12:32:19 PM
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It's a myth that welfare makes people less productive. You know what makes people less productive? Food/Shelter insecurity.

A funny thing happens when you guarantee those two things: a nation of checkout clerks and burger flippers turns into a nation of teachers and engineers. Go ahead and call it an entitlement, as far as I'm concerned, a person born in a country with as much wealth as the US should be entitled to food and shelter.
2012-10-06 12:31:22 PM
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Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Didn't read the article did you, dumbass?
2012-10-06 12:30:02 PM
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kevinatilusa: J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?

"It would go a long way to solving the problem of" cancer-stricken people walking around, making the city look less healthy, and lowering property values if they just shut down the hospitals like you suggested.

It won't cure cancer, but it would cause the cancer people to go away to another city. And that's what's important, right?


or maybe they just wait until you're gone and break in and steal your crap? if they go to jail then they get fed,have a roof over their head and free medical care on your dime. your move...
2012-10-06 12:19:43 PM
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And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
2012-10-06 12:14:42 PM
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J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


"It would go a long way to solving the problem of" cancer-stricken people walking around, making the city look less healthy, and lowering property values if they just shut down the hospitals like you suggested.

It won't cure cancer, but it would cause the cancer people to go away to another city. And that's what's important, right?
2012-10-06 12:04:53 PM
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randomjsa: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why isn't the solution TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE BECOME NOT HOMELESS? You selfish, ignorant piece of shiat.

The moron who felt he had to "prove something" by showing everyone he has me on ignore was amusing enough since the most sure fire way to prove you're in a weak position is to refuse to listen to any other view point but you're taking the cake on the 'laugh worthy' comments here.

You're free to make any suggestion you like in so far as how to solve the homeless problem and after you completely fail just like everyone else that has tried to solve that problem we can get around to talking about the problem here like adults. Presumably you will actually be an adult in both mind and body by that point.

jso2897: Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.

And nobody has a problem with the retirees but you're not addressing the unavoidable reality. There is a problem with homeless people taking over parks and other public areas and like it or not there are a lot of homeless people who are something besides perfectly nice people with nowhere else to go.

Some are like that. No doubt but there are a large enough number who aren't and the free meals attract the poor retirees and hard luck cases as well as the drunks, mentally unstable, drug addicts and just plain bad people. is there a way to filter the good from the bad? Even if there is, it's completely subjective, maybe that guy there is a mean drunk but that one over there is a drunk but not really creating an issue.

There are problems associated with soup kitchens. You have to acknowledge that and figure out a way to deal with the problem. One solution is, yes, shut it down but is that the best and only solution? That just means these people will go somewhere else. A meals on wheels program would probably help the 'poor but not homeless' retirees but that doesn't do much for the non-problematic homeless.


Why don't you ask General Eric Shinseki about the techniques he is using to end veteran homelessness by 2015? I'm sure that closing soup kitchens in an attempt to make them go away isn't part of the solution. Oh, that's right, I forgot, you will probably ignore him like you did when he told you the truth about how many soldiers were needed for your illegal invasion of Iraq.
2012-10-06 11:38:15 AM
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Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Like, nonprofit organizations that provide food and medical services, for example?

Do you even know what this story is about?
2012-10-06 11:34:38 AM
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HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.
2012-10-06 11:31:55 AM
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TwoBeersOneCan: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.

Ha ha ha, if you think people go into social work just to get a job, you're a damn lunatic.


If you want to make big bucks in the psych field you gotta go into Medical Research or I/O Psych and run an HR Dept for a major company. The starting wage for the Social Work field is $30k and that's WITH a masters degree. The helping side of psych is also the poor side of psych.
2012-10-06 11:24:11 AM
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skullkrusher: Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?


I purposely adjectivally limited my brush stroke to not encompass all lawyers and financial sector employees. "I swear I can quit selling bundled derivatives anytime I want!" That's being glib of course, but to think there are no bad actors among the legal and financial professions who by gaming the system are being rewarded at the expense of the public seems a bit naive. Street addicts provide the service of giving perspective that diminishes my own problems (there, but for the Grace...) or alternately giving the moral satisfaction of judging them and finding them wanting.
2012-10-06 11:12:07 AM
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HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


SOUTH Orange County, thank you very much. Don't lump us North Countiers in with those planned community nutjobs down there.
2012-10-06 11:10:34 AM
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wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


Ha ha ha, if you think people go into social work just to get a job, you're a damn lunatic.
2012-10-06 11:09:22 AM
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Rashnu: skullkrusher: I don't see the connection between "parasitic" lawyers or financial workers and giving houses to people because they're addicts

Just a general comment on the fact that our moral outrage at the rewarding of societal uselessness is so selective when there's so much of it going around. The analogy does break down though when it comes to dealing with the perpetrators of things like regulatory capture and gaming of the legal and financial systems. Not sure what the harm reduction strategy would be there. Make them go live in Somalia?


Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?
2012-10-06 11:02:58 AM
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2012-10-06 10:55:35 AM
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So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.
2012-10-06 10:53:31 AM
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My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store. The woman had come in to, and successfully purchased, a blanket. She was being yelled at because the previous day she was banned from the store. I asked around to find out why.

"Because some customers called the police on her because she scared them."

I'm livid now. Don't give them money, sure, but don't treat them like garbage.
2012-10-06 10:43:40 AM
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ramblinwreck: WTF. When did Fark start taking money from the Mormon Church. "I am a Mormon" advertising? Really?


It's the ad server. The Mormons realized they've really let their public image go in the past 150 years so they're trying to make up for lost time and spending money like they weren't a cult.
2012-10-06 10:33:59 AM
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Perhaps the city could make a big park. Instead of having playground equipment they could put in public showers and restrooms.
2012-10-06 10:28:08 AM
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skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too


Oh, agreed. Just wish we were a little more discerning about who we tar with that instinctive distaste. Maybe cast our net a bit wider and open our eyes to the many instances of un-condemned and unchecked (and proportionately worse in terms of cost) rewarding of societal uselessness beyond the bums, welfare queens, and unintentionally pregnant sluts. But then again I'm not a parasitic lawyer or a financial sector prestidigitator.
2012-10-06 10:22:11 AM
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whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?


Yeah well not so much a conservative utopia when most of them are quite in favor of charities. This mayor is an ultra-douche, whose idea of solving the homeless problem is simply to...stop feeding them. Yeah...like they're ants and someone left a sugary drink out on the counter. Maybe he's trolling? If not then the town council/board/whatever need to stand up to him as do teh rest of the people in the community.
2012-10-06 10:19:29 AM
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skullkrusher: Real Women Drink Akvavit: We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up.

my impression what that they didn't want smelly homeless people stinking up the library. I don't imagine they are checking bank statements at the door so it's probably not an issue with poor people using the internet.


The only smelly homeless folks we usually have here are those that are newly homeless and haven't figured out where to go for a shower (for free). You can usually tell the homeless by the wire carts with bungee cords holding all of their stuff that they have to drag around with them everywhere more easily than how they smell or are dressed. Unless they're the severely mentally ill type, of course. The Salvation Army in Alkali Flats (a neighborhood just on the edge of downtown Sac) has to track some of those types down, shower 'em off, delouse them and give them new clothing when they get too rank. I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan!) they're just kind of... there. Most stay in one general area and are very isolationist, but once in a while, one will wander off and cause a bit of panic among the more well groomed, better smelling poor folk. It's very sad. :'-(
2012-10-06 09:59:38 AM
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Real Women Drink Akvavit: We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up.


my impression what that they didn't want smelly homeless people stinking up the library. I don't imagine they are checking bank statements at the door so it's probably not an issue with poor people using the internet.
2012-10-06 09:57:48 AM
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HakunaMatata: eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away


It's The Way of Saint Reagan.

"I have no heat! It's so cold I can see my breathe!"

"Cut his lights, too."
2012-10-06 09:31:10 AM
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J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


You're getting ahead of the official schedule. Cancer curing via hospital closure doesn't happened until after E/R's are closed. If the hospital doesn't have an E/R, then the ill/poor without insurance will have to go somewhere else for free emergency medical care. NIMBY.
2012-10-06 09:20:24 AM
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Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious


Might I also suggest changing the laws regarding institutional commitment and flooding the streets with mentally ill?

/OK, now we're just being silly
2012-10-06 09:11:33 AM
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Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious


That was pretty good. 8/10
2012-10-06 08:57:59 AM
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This is bad news... for Just Another Homeless OC Guy
2012-10-06 08:51:31 AM
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It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?
2012-10-06 08:43:19 AM
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To be fair, he probably doesn't believe that the problem of homelessness will disappear, only that the homeless people will go somewhere else. It's like saying that if you stop feeding stray cats they'll get jobs and contribute to the local economy or something.
2012-10-06 08:43:13 AM
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And about 45% of the voters will blindly support him, cuz Jesus and soshulizm.
2012-10-06 08:41:43 AM
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It is what Jesus would have wanted.

We are a Christian nation after all.
 
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