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(LA Times)   Interesting: California mayor decides to take up the issue of the homeless in his city. Fark: By attempting to shut down established charities that help them. Ultra Fark: His term expires in November   (latimes.com) divider line 243
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2012-10-06 08:29:17 AM
People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.
 
2012-10-06 08:41:43 AM
It is what Jesus would have wanted.

We are a Christian nation after all.
 
2012-10-06 08:43:13 AM
And about 45% of the voters will blindly support him, cuz Jesus and soshulizm.
 
2012-10-06 08:43:19 AM
To be fair, he probably doesn't believe that the problem of homelessness will disappear, only that the homeless people will go somewhere else. It's like saying that if you stop feeding stray cats they'll get jobs and contribute to the local economy or something.
 
2012-10-06 08:43:57 AM
Oh just kick a puppy and punch a baby, why don't you?
 
2012-10-06 08:45:35 AM
That's disgusting.
 
2012-10-06 08:51:31 AM
It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?
 
2012-10-06 08:52:03 AM
Better hope one of them isn't Rambo.
 
2012-10-06 08:57:59 AM
This is bad news... for Just Another Homeless OC Guy
 
2012-10-06 08:59:13 AM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.
 
2012-10-06 09:00:32 AM

jso2897: randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.


Blurp. Costa Mesa, rather.
Moar caffeine.
 
2012-10-06 09:06:19 AM

randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious
 
2012-10-06 09:11:33 AM

Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious


That was pretty good. 8/10
 
2012-10-06 09:12:28 AM
Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?
 
2012-10-06 09:18:25 AM
What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.
 
2012-10-06 09:20:24 AM

Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious


Might I also suggest changing the laws regarding institutional commitment and flooding the streets with mentally ill?

/OK, now we're just being silly
 
2012-10-06 09:21:24 AM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


So we need to shut down the suppliers. Who supplies drugs and alcohol? Who supplies mental disability? These warehouses of colt 45 and schizophrenia need to be closed!
 
2012-10-06 09:23:02 AM

thenewmissus: Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious

That was pretty good. 8/10


If they can afford UD cards then they can afford food.
 
2012-10-06 09:23:37 AM
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2012-10-06 09:24:21 AM
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2012-10-06 09:31:10 AM

J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


You're getting ahead of the official schedule. Cancer curing via hospital closure doesn't happened until after E/R's are closed. If the hospital doesn't have an E/R, then the ill/poor without insurance will have to go somewhere else for free emergency medical care. NIMBY.
 
2012-10-06 09:37:21 AM

J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


Oooooooh, you're good.
 
2012-10-06 09:39:49 AM
The difference between SoCal and NorCal has always amazed me. I used to live in SoCal and they're much more conservative, generally speaking, than the rest of us. It's true there are little pockets on both sides of the aisle scattered throughout the state, but how the people in SoCal react to something is vastly different than how we up here in Fogland react to it. Apparently in Smogland, the proper response to working poor, low income elderly and homeless is to destroy the safety net that is not costing local government a damn thing. I thought that's what the conservatives wanted. The government out of the charity business and for private charities and churches to care for the poor. I guess they lied.

Up here in Fogland, we have a place in Sacramento that serves a hot meal every day, several area churches serve hot meals at least once a month, a clothes closet that provides free clothing once a month (you sign in with your social security number or other ID), mental health counseling - a wide variety of services are available here. Of course this attracts people from other areas as well, but that's because they simply do not have services available in their community. The difference between Smogland and Fogland though is I think most of us here are fairly centrist in our ideology and know how to strike that balance between "this is what we would like" and "this is the reality of the situation". The various aid organizations here also have political, business and community support for the most part, three things that a friend of mine who is active with the very poor and homeless says are vital for any charity work in a community.

We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up. 


/was very poor for a very long time
//got better, but still not exactly rich
 
2012-10-06 09:47:06 AM
They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.
 
2012-10-06 09:52:12 AM

J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
2012-10-06 09:54:14 AM

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thenewmissus: Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious

That was pretty good. 8/10


Your sarcasm detector might be due for it's 3000 post oil change.
 
2012-10-06 09:54:30 AM

theteacher: randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

So we need to shut down the suppliers. Who supplies drugs and alcohol? Who supplies mental disability? These warehouses of colt 45 and schizophrenia need to be closed!


It's terrible to laugh, but warehouse full of schizophrenia is pretty damn funny.
 
2012-10-06 09:57:48 AM

HakunaMatata: eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away


It's The Way of Saint Reagan.

"I have no heat! It's so cold I can see my breathe!"

"Cut his lights, too."
 
2012-10-06 09:58:36 AM
born_yesterday: Might I also suggest changing the laws regarding institutional commitment and flooding the streets with mentally ill?

Governor Engler did that for us here in Michigan in the 90's. It's part of the reason Detroit is such a paradise today.
 
2012-10-06 09:58:59 AM
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Sorry missed the line for you in the last post...

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2012-10-06 09:59:38 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up.


my impression what that they didn't want smelly homeless people stinking up the library. I don't imagine they are checking bank statements at the door so it's probably not an issue with poor people using the internet.
 
2012-10-06 10:00:14 AM
I live about 2 1/2 miles from Costa Mesa, so I am getting a kick etc.

A lot of OC is definitely right-leaning, but now there is finally a vocal minority of left-leaners to speak truth to power and make it be heard.

I lived in Bob "The Starfighters: MST3K EP 612" Dornan's district through my formative years. I (and we) got over it.
 
2012-10-06 10:02:11 AM

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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.
 
2012-10-06 10:04:44 AM
Guy that Ran Domino is opposite of ignoring: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?
 

Just for you.
 
2012-10-06 10:12:35 AM

sno man: Your sarcasm detector might be due for it's 3000 post oil change.


Well the slashie part was honest, if unhelpful, editorializing.On a similar note, I once worked near a methadone clinic and wouldn't really have especially wanted to live near it. NIMBY in action. See the ongoing saga and opposition to homeless Tent Cities in Seattle and King County.

Seattle (and other cities) have tried an interesting solution for chronic inebriates in the name of harm reduction. Just give them housing straight off the bat: no rules or having to attend counseling or stop drinking or any strings attached. Turns out to save millions (4) of dollars per year just by doing this for about 75 people as they were ending up in the emergency room and jail so often. Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.
 
2012-10-06 10:13:22 AM
The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?
 
2012-10-06 10:15:26 AM
The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.
 
2012-10-06 10:16:19 AM

Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.


rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too
 
2012-10-06 10:19:29 AM

skullkrusher: Real Women Drink Akvavit: We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up.

my impression what that they didn't want smelly homeless people stinking up the library. I don't imagine they are checking bank statements at the door so it's probably not an issue with poor people using the internet.


The only smelly homeless folks we usually have here are those that are newly homeless and haven't figured out where to go for a shower (for free). You can usually tell the homeless by the wire carts with bungee cords holding all of their stuff that they have to drag around with them everywhere more easily than how they smell or are dressed. Unless they're the severely mentally ill type, of course. The Salvation Army in Alkali Flats (a neighborhood just on the edge of downtown Sac) has to track some of those types down, shower 'em off, delouse them and give them new clothing when they get too rank. I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan!) they're just kind of... there. Most stay in one general area and are very isolationist, but once in a while, one will wander off and cause a bit of panic among the more well groomed, better smelling poor folk. It's very sad. :'-(
 
2012-10-06 10:22:11 AM

whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?


Yeah well not so much a conservative utopia when most of them are quite in favor of charities. This mayor is an ultra-douche, whose idea of solving the homeless problem is simply to...stop feeding them. Yeah...like they're ants and someone left a sugary drink out on the counter. Maybe he's trolling? If not then the town council/board/whatever need to stand up to him as do teh rest of the people in the community.
 
2012-10-06 10:22:33 AM

whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?


All charties except one type. Can you guess where they want the poor to go? A long time ago this was one of the core mechanics of spreading and enforcing religion. You get food, and they get a follower that in turn increases their influence. If you leave the fold, they'll cut you off. Unless you find a different group to do business with, you'll become poor. And thus the circle of captivity is complete.
 
2012-10-06 10:23:57 AM

wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.



theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens
 
2012-10-06 10:28:08 AM

skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too


Oh, agreed. Just wish we were a little more discerning about who we tar with that instinctive distaste. Maybe cast our net a bit wider and open our eyes to the many instances of un-condemned and unchecked (and proportionately worse in terms of cost) rewarding of societal uselessness beyond the bums, welfare queens, and unintentionally pregnant sluts. But then again I'm not a parasitic lawyer or a financial sector prestidigitator.
 
2012-10-06 10:28:53 AM

Rashnu: sno man: Your sarcasm detector might be due for it's 3000 post oil change.

Well the slashie part was honest, if unhelpful, editorializing.On a similar note, I once worked near a methadone clinic and wouldn't really have especially wanted to live near it. NIMBY in action. See the ongoing saga and opposition to homeless Tent Cities in Seattle and King County.

Seattle (and other cities) have tried an interesting solution for chronic inebriates in the name of harm reduction. Just give them housing straight off the bat: no rules or having to attend counseling or stop drinking or any strings attached. Turns out to save millions (4) of dollars per year just by doing this for about 75 people as they were ending up in the emergency room and jail so often. Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.


I'm not surprised that solution in Seattle works, That kind of "preventative" solution is both less costly and more effective. The problem, and not just in America, but Canada too, is that the whole culture is based on "it's all good, until it isn't", then treat the hell out of the symptoms. (See also financial industry, war on drugs, health care (more there than here, but here too), etc.) Rather than that ounce of prevention along the way, the pound of cure at the end. I'm not sure either country is ready for that kind of fundamental shift in attitude.
 
2012-10-06 10:28:56 AM
WTF. When did Fark start taking money from the Mormon Church. "I am a Mormon" advertising? Really?
 
2012-10-06 10:33:59 AM
Perhaps the city could make a big park. Instead of having playground equipment they could put in public showers and restrooms.
 
2012-10-06 10:36:45 AM

Rashnu: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

Oh, agreed. Just wish we were a little more discerning about who we tar with that instinctive distaste. Maybe cast our net a bit wider and open our eyes to the many instances of un-condemned and unchecked (and proportionately worse in terms of cost) rewarding of societal uselessness beyond the bums, welfare queens, and unintentionally pregnant sluts. But then again I'm not a parasitic lawyer or a financial sector prestidigitator.


I don't see the connection between "parasitic" lawyers or financial workers and giving houses to people because they're addicts
 
2012-10-06 10:43:40 AM

ramblinwreck: WTF. When did Fark start taking money from the Mormon Church. "I am a Mormon" advertising? Really?


It's the ad server. The Mormons realized they've really let their public image go in the past 150 years so they're trying to make up for lost time and spending money like they weren't a cult.
 
2012-10-06 10:49:59 AM
1. Shut down social programs.
2. Insist that poorer citizens can get all the help they need at private charities.
3. Shut down private charities.
4. ???
5. Profit.
 
2012-10-06 10:51:59 AM

skullkrusher: I don't see the connection between "parasitic" lawyers or financial workers and giving houses to people because they're addicts


Just a general comment on the fact that our moral outrage at the rewarding of societal uselessness is so selective when there's so much of it going around. The analogy does break down though when it comes to dealing with the perpetrators of things like regulatory capture and gaming of the legal and financial systems. Not sure what the harm reduction strategy would be there. Make them go live in Somalia?
 
2012-10-06 10:53:17 AM
zev.lacounty.gov
Being homeless means you get to meet nice bleeding heart liberals.
 
2012-10-06 10:53:31 AM
My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store. The woman had come in to, and successfully purchased, a blanket. She was being yelled at because the previous day she was banned from the store. I asked around to find out why.

"Because some customers called the police on her because she scared them."

I'm livid now. Don't give them money, sure, but don't treat them like garbage.
 
2012-10-06 10:55:35 AM
So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.
 
2012-10-06 11:02:58 AM
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2012-10-06 11:03:00 AM
I don't see why we can't offer them as sacrifices to the Elder Gods.
 
2012-10-06 11:09:22 AM

Rashnu: skullkrusher: I don't see the connection between "parasitic" lawyers or financial workers and giving houses to people because they're addicts

Just a general comment on the fact that our moral outrage at the rewarding of societal uselessness is so selective when there's so much of it going around. The analogy does break down though when it comes to dealing with the perpetrators of things like regulatory capture and gaming of the legal and financial systems. Not sure what the harm reduction strategy would be there. Make them go live in Somalia?


Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?
 
2012-10-06 11:10:34 AM

wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


Ha ha ha, if you think people go into social work just to get a job, you're a damn lunatic.
 
2012-10-06 11:11:53 AM

iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.


no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.
 
2012-10-06 11:12:07 AM

Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store. The woman had come in to, and successfully purchased, a blanket. She was being yelled at because the previous day she was banned from the store. I asked around to find out why.

"Because some customers called the police on her because she scared them."

I'm livid now. Don't give them money, sure, but don't treat them like garbage.


Having been to Walmart how exactly can you tell the difference between the homeless and their regular customers?
 
2012-10-06 11:12:07 AM

HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


SOUTH Orange County, thank you very much. Don't lump us North Countiers in with those planned community nutjobs down there.
 
2012-10-06 11:15:41 AM
The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.
 
2012-10-06 11:16:08 AM

Fart_Machine: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store. The woman had come in to, and successfully purchased, a blanket. She was being yelled at because the previous day she was banned from the store. I asked around to find out why.

"Because some customers called the police on her because she scared them."

I'm livid now. Don't give them money, sure, but don't treat them like garbage.

Having been to Walmart how exactly can you tell the difference between the homeless and their regular customers?


Regular customers have mobility scooters.
 
2012-10-06 11:17:48 AM

Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.


you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?
 
2012-10-06 11:19:29 AM
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2012-10-06 11:21:30 AM

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?


Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?
 
2012-10-06 11:24:11 AM

skullkrusher: Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?


I purposely adjectivally limited my brush stroke to not encompass all lawyers and financial sector employees. "I swear I can quit selling bundled derivatives anytime I want!" That's being glib of course, but to think there are no bad actors among the legal and financial professions who by gaming the system are being rewarded at the expense of the public seems a bit naive. Street addicts provide the service of giving perspective that diminishes my own problems (there, but for the Grace...) or alternately giving the moral satisfaction of judging them and finding them wanting.
 
2012-10-06 11:26:18 AM

Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.


The fark
 
2012-10-06 11:28:05 AM

DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?


it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?
 
2012-10-06 11:29:21 AM

smitty04: Being homeless means you get to meet nice bleeding heart liberals.


You're obviously trying to be sarcastic or condescending here, but I don't get it. Are we supposed to recognize these people, or is it simply that you hate liberals and poor people?
 
2012-10-06 11:29:24 AM

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?


Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.
 
2012-10-06 11:30:17 AM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Why isn't the solution TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE BECOME NOT HOMELESS? You selfish, ignorant piece of shiat.
 
2012-10-06 11:31:00 AM

DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.


I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.
 
2012-10-06 11:31:08 AM

skullkrusher: Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?


"Public defender." If you have ever been to jail, you have met one.
 
2012-10-06 11:31:26 AM
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"I hate the homeless."
 
2012-10-06 11:31:55 AM

TwoBeersOneCan: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.

Ha ha ha, if you think people go into social work just to get a job, you're a damn lunatic.


If you want to make big bucks in the psych field you gotta go into Medical Research or I/O Psych and run an HR Dept for a major company. The starting wage for the Social Work field is $30k and that's WITH a masters degree. The helping side of psych is also the poor side of psych.
 
2012-10-06 11:33:57 AM

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.


something something Poe's law
 
2012-10-06 11:34:10 AM

thamike: skullkrusher: Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?

"Public defender." If you have ever been to jail, you have met one.


I have and I haven't. I wouldn't call public defenders useless to society, would you?
 
2012-10-06 11:34:38 AM

HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.
 
2012-10-06 11:34:45 AM

DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

something something Poe's law


That's another awesome refuge for idiots.
 
2012-10-06 11:37:23 AM

Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Someone didn't read the article.
 
2012-10-06 11:38:07 AM

skullkrusher: thamike: skullkrusher: Difference is, lawyers actually provide a service by advising the members of society on the laws of society and are paid a fee out of private pockets while giving houses to people because they are addicts is nothing at all like that even remotely. See my confusion?

"Public defender." If you have ever been to jail, you have met one.

I have and I haven't. I wouldn't call public defenders useless to society, would you?


No, I wouldn't.
 
2012-10-06 11:38:15 AM

Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Like, nonprofit organizations that provide food and medical services, for example?

Do you even know what this story is about?
 
2012-10-06 11:45:13 AM

Halli: Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.

Someone didn't read the article.


It makes no difference if he read it or not. He's going to believe his opinionated world narrative regardless of any facts.
 
2012-10-06 11:47:15 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why isn't the solution TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE BECOME NOT HOMELESS? You selfish, ignorant piece of shiat.


The moron who felt he had to "prove something" by showing everyone he has me on ignore was amusing enough since the most sure fire way to prove you're in a weak position is to refuse to listen to any other view point but you're taking the cake on the 'laugh worthy' comments here.

You're free to make any suggestion you like in so far as how to solve the homeless problem and after you completely fail just like everyone else that has tried to solve that problem we can get around to talking about the problem here like adults. Presumably you will actually be an adult in both mind and body by that point.

jso2897: Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.


And nobody has a problem with the retirees but you're not addressing the unavoidable reality. There is a problem with homeless people taking over parks and other public areas and like it or not there are a lot of homeless people who are something besides perfectly nice people with nowhere else to go.

Some are like that. No doubt but there are a large enough number who aren't and the free meals attract the poor retirees and hard luck cases as well as the drunks, mentally unstable, drug addicts and just plain bad people. is there a way to filter the good from the bad? Even if there is, it's completely subjective, maybe that guy there is a mean drunk but that one over there is a drunk but not really creating an issue.

There are problems associated with soup kitchens. You have to acknowledge that and figure out a way to deal with the problem. One solution is, yes, shut it down but is that the best and only solution? That just means these people will go somewhere else. A meals on wheels program would probably help the 'poor but not homeless' retirees but that doesn't do much for the non-problematic homeless.
 
2012-10-06 11:54:16 AM

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?


Really bringing the A-game today.
 
2012-10-06 12:02:21 PM

randomjsa: And nobody has a problem with the retirees but you're not addressing the unavoidable reality. There is a problem with homeless people taking over parks and other public areas and like it or not there are a lot of homeless people who are something besides perfectly nice people with nowhere else to go.


Suggestions? Feel free to think outside the cardboard box.

/I assume this is the part where we look shiftily around and stage whisper whisper
//"well, would anyone really like even notice if they just kinda disappeared"
///the greater good
 
2012-10-06 12:04:53 PM

randomjsa: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why isn't the solution TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE BECOME NOT HOMELESS? You selfish, ignorant piece of shiat.

The moron who felt he had to "prove something" by showing everyone he has me on ignore was amusing enough since the most sure fire way to prove you're in a weak position is to refuse to listen to any other view point but you're taking the cake on the 'laugh worthy' comments here.

You're free to make any suggestion you like in so far as how to solve the homeless problem and after you completely fail just like everyone else that has tried to solve that problem we can get around to talking about the problem here like adults. Presumably you will actually be an adult in both mind and body by that point.

jso2897: Yes - but that's hard. Just shutting it down is easy. And it appeals to certain mentalities. I suspect that Hizzoner may have future political ambitions, and may be "staking out a position".
There's no good reason for doing it - most of the people these charities serve are not homeless - most are local retirees and working poor who live in Covina.

And nobody has a problem with the retirees but you're not addressing the unavoidable reality. There is a problem with homeless people taking over parks and other public areas and like it or not there are a lot of homeless people who are something besides perfectly nice people with nowhere else to go.

Some are like that. No doubt but there are a large enough number who aren't and the free meals attract the poor retirees and hard luck cases as well as the drunks, mentally unstable, drug addicts and just plain bad people. is there a way to filter the good from the bad? Even if there is, it's completely subjective, maybe that guy there is a mean drunk but that one over there is a drunk but not really creating an issue.

There are problems associated with soup kitchens. You have to acknowledge that and figure out a way to deal with the problem. One solution is, yes, shut it down but is that the best and only solution? That just means these people will go somewhere else. A meals on wheels program would probably help the 'poor but not homeless' retirees but that doesn't do much for the non-problematic homeless.


Why don't you ask General Eric Shinseki about the techniques he is using to end veteran homelessness by 2015? I'm sure that closing soup kitchens in an attempt to make them go away isn't part of the solution. Oh, that's right, I forgot, you will probably ignore him like you did when he told you the truth about how many soldiers were needed for your illegal invasion of Iraq.
 
2012-10-06 12:12:00 PM

Rashnu: Just give them housing straight off the bat: no rules or having to attend counseling or stop drinking or any strings attached.


The way I've heard it described is that the housing allows them to continue being drunks, but limits how much they can drink per day. Residents have to go to the office to pick up their rations.
 
2012-10-06 12:14:42 PM

J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


"It would go a long way to solving the problem of" cancer-stricken people walking around, making the city look less healthy, and lowering property values if they just shut down the hospitals like you suggested.

It won't cure cancer, but it would cause the cancer people to go away to another city. And that's what's important, right?
 
2012-10-06 12:19:17 PM
For a nation that talks so much about Christian values and how much God loves us, we sure do shiat all over the poor and downtrodden every chance we get.
 
2012-10-06 12:19:43 PM
And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;
When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
 
2012-10-06 12:22:38 PM

indylaw: For a nation that talks so much about Christian values and how much God loves us, we sure do shiat all over the poor and downtrodden every chance we get.


Christ was all about the poor and downtrodden. God, on the other hand, kills indiscriminately.

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"And so shall we."
 
2012-10-06 12:23:00 PM
34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
 
2012-10-06 12:28:27 PM

Hobodeluxe: 34 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37 "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40 "The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45 "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."


Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!
 
2012-10-06 12:29:23 PM
They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.
 
2012-10-06 12:30:02 PM

kevinatilusa: J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?

"It would go a long way to solving the problem of" cancer-stricken people walking around, making the city look less healthy, and lowering property values if they just shut down the hospitals like you suggested.

It won't cure cancer, but it would cause the cancer people to go away to another city. And that's what's important, right?


or maybe they just wait until you're gone and break in and steal your crap? if they go to jail then they get fed,have a roof over their head and free medical care on your dime. your move...
 
2012-10-06 12:31:22 PM

Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Didn't read the article did you, dumbass?
 
2012-10-06 12:32:19 PM
It's a myth that welfare makes people less productive. You know what makes people less productive? Food/Shelter insecurity.

A funny thing happens when you guarantee those two things: a nation of checkout clerks and burger flippers turns into a nation of teachers and engineers. Go ahead and call it an entitlement, as far as I'm concerned, a person born in a country with as much wealth as the US should be entitled to food and shelter.
 
2012-10-06 12:32:20 PM

born_yesterday: Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!


so you're rewriting the gospels now to fit your selfish ideology?
 
2012-10-06 12:32:21 PM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


So why isn't this guy proposing a place to house the mentally ill? Why isn't he proposing drug treatment? No, he wants to starve them out of the area, even if it means some old people go hungry, too. It really is that simple.
 
2012-10-06 12:34:46 PM

skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.


Yes, because I have never heard other whackadoodles talk about how ridiculous it is that charities give to the poor.
 
2012-10-06 12:37:33 PM
The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.
 
2012-10-06 12:39:07 PM

badhatharry: The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.


Or you could, you know, leave the private charities alone?
 
2012-10-06 12:40:07 PM

randomjsa: There are problems associated with soup kitchens. You have to acknowledge that and figure out a way to deal with the problem. One solution is, yes, shut it down but is that the best and only solution?


I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.
 
2012-10-06 12:40:35 PM

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Why do you bother coming to Fark? The trolls are what makes it interesting.
 
2012-10-06 12:40:41 PM

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


Suppose you're wrong. Then what?
 
2012-10-06 12:44:24 PM
smitty04:

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Why isn't your sign in Spanish?
 
2012-10-06 12:44:44 PM

Hobodeluxe: born_yesterday: Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!

so you're rewriting the gospels now to fit your selfish ideology?


Why not? Worked for them!

To paraphrase Colbert, maybe it's time we just come out and admit we're not a Christian nation. I think it would be cathartic, what with the huge statues and altars to Mammon getting erected and all.

/And THAT solves your homeless problem
 
2012-10-06 12:44:55 PM

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


Actually, he doesn't mention his political party. Costa Mesa is in a solidly Republican district, though.
 
2012-10-06 12:47:01 PM

Hickory-smoked: I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.



You have the answer and we'll get to it sooner or later if we plan on not being considered barbarians in 50 years or less. The problem right now is that in order to enforce public disorder more properly those that are doing the enforcement have to do so more from the perspective of treating people like people instead of criminals. It's hard enough to get cops to not kill a homeless person who is mentally ill or completely whacked out simply because the cop isn't getting his authoritarian hard-on dealing with a tripping retard.
 
2012-10-06 12:47:53 PM

DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?


I would wonder what's going at the LA Times.
 
2012-10-06 12:48:54 PM

thamike: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Actually, he doesn't mention his political party. Costa Mesa is in a solidly Republican district, though.


The City Council which appointed him (from among their own ranks) is majority Republican.

badhatharry: The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.


Do go on. Please. Continue.
 
2012-10-06 12:49:14 PM
I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.
 
2012-10-06 12:49:33 PM

badhatharry: DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?

I would wonder what's going on at the LA Times.

 
2012-10-06 12:50:15 PM

badhatharry: DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?

I would wonder what's going at the LA Times.


And then you'll forget it, and continue to level your charges of media bias in the future.

It's called selection bias, and you're soaking in it.
 
2012-10-06 12:56:08 PM

Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


Unfortunately, this.

Being able to successfully ask for money on the street is a talent that has little correlation with the actual desperate need being projected.
 
2012-10-06 12:56:43 PM

born_yesterday: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Really bringing the A-game today.


"Eel" O'Brien, Rita Farr Dayton, Reed Richards, Ralph Dibney, and Helen Parr only wish that they could reach as far as skullcrusher does.
 
2012-10-06 12:59:13 PM

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

something something Poe's law

That's another awesome refuge for idiots.


Oh look, you're being an obtuse coont and the world's shiattiest troll again, must be a day that ends in "y".
 
2012-10-06 01:02:42 PM

DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark


I LOL'D
 
2012-10-06 01:04:10 PM

Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


Working in Santa Monica, I had to deal with lots of eccentricity, but the laws I had to circumvent to feed the homeless (instead of giving money to random people) were weirder.
 
2012-10-06 01:05:09 PM

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


His top priority when running for city council was keeping taxes low, he considered a Bush-supported attempt at Immigration reform "An affront to law-abiding Americans", and he is endorsed by the GOP in his current race.

Maybe, just maybe, your ideological blinders might be clouding things a bit.
 
2012-10-06 01:06:53 PM

thamike: Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.

Working in Santa Monica, I had to deal with lots of eccentricity, but the laws I had to circumvent to feed the homeless (instead of giving money to random people) were weirder.


I assume you mean giving out food from your business? Because I usually just give the second half of my bagel away or something and it's as easy as just handing it to them.

Or is this a Santa Monica thing?
 
2012-10-06 01:09:17 PM

Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


I'm a libby too, and I also dislike just handing over cash, particularly when there's a degree of intimidation involved, such as blocking my access to an entrance or exit. I've decided to start buying a few of those local grocery store gift cards, in the smallest denomination (which is $10, I wish they had them in $5), and the next time I'm in that situation I'll give a grocery card. Sure, it could be traded "on the street" for cash, but hopefully a significant percentage of the recipients will decided it's simply less work to walk two blocks to the grocery store and buy something than it is to sell the card. (And No, they'd don't sell beer or wine in the grocery stores in this county.)
 
2012-10-06 01:09:55 PM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Serve soylent green in the homeless kitchen, and eventually there will be no more homeless.
 
2012-10-06 01:10:49 PM

TheOther: smitty04:

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¿Why isn't your sign in Español?


For that matter, how did the photographer manage to position his camera so that the billboard mount was slightly off-angle from perfect perpendicularity to the camera focal plane, yet the billboard itself and all of its lettering is perfectly straight on, mapping exactly to the CCD pixel grid, and also completely avoid the CCD noise in both the white of the billboard background and the black of the lettering thereof, despite it being quite prevalent in the rest of the photo?
 
2012-10-06 01:11:21 PM

Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Um, that's a government official (Republican, too) attacking a private charity, not a government solution.

I am not going to to hold you up as an example of the conservative mind at work because it's clear your mind is not working.
 
2012-10-06 01:15:31 PM

COMALite J: TheOther: smitty04:

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x501]

¿Why isn't your sign in Español?

For that matter, how did the photographer manage to position his camera so that the billboard mount was slightly off-angle from perfect perpendicularity to the camera focal plane, yet the billboard itself and all of its lettering is perfectly straight on, mapping exactly to the CCD pixel grid, and also completely avoid the CCD noise in both the white of the billboard background and the black of the lettering thereof, despite it being quite prevalent in the rest of the photo?


The whiteness of the billboard keeps it perfect.
 
2012-10-06 01:16:59 PM

Lunchlady: I assume you mean giving out food from your business? Because I usually just give the second half of my bagel away or something and it's as easy as just handing it to them.

Or is this a Santa Monica thing?


It's a Santa Monica thing in an enforcement sense, but yeah even if I was off work and not identifiable as a manager of a food retail outlet, if the food came from a business, we couldn't give it to them. We had to set up a secret drop system so the hungry could get leftovers and misfires. There's definitely a difference between the needy and the antagonistic drifters that hang around the Promenade, so i get that angle. However, this guy's talking about soup kitchens, which attract the same if not less the amount of riff raff that any city center does, and soup kitchens at least have an honest purpose. I think he's just trying to pay off some favors to the nouveau riche OC trash.
 
2012-10-06 01:17:06 PM

kevinatilusa: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

His top priority when running for city council was keeping taxes low, he considered a Bush-supported attempt at Immigration reform "An affront to law-abiding Americans", and he is endorsed by the GOP in his current race.

Maybe, just maybe, your ideological blinders might be clouding things a bit.


I guess he is a Republican. I'm suprised that wasn't mentioned in the story. Good for them for not hammering the "Republicans hate the homeless" talking point.
 
2012-10-06 01:18:31 PM
Well, I'm sure charities for the homeless are okay to this guy, as long as he doesn't actually have to lay his eyes upon those vermin. They lower property values, dontchaknow.
 
2012-10-06 01:19:27 PM
Walking back the shrill tirade about corrupt motivation in 5...4...3...
 
2012-10-06 01:19:34 PM

badhatharry: Good for them for not hammering the "Republicans hate the homeless" talking point.


Why bother? The Republicans take care of that themselves.
 
2012-10-06 01:20:44 PM
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2012-10-06 01:21:20 PM

badhatharry: Good for them for not hammering the "Republicans hate the homeless" talking point.


That would be like screaming and hollering that the sun will rise tomorrow. It goes without saying.
 
2012-10-06 01:22:03 PM
It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?
 
2012-10-06 01:23:34 PM

thamike: Lunchlady: I assume you mean giving out food from your business? Because I usually just give the second half of my bagel away or something and it's as easy as just handing it to them.

Or is this a Santa Monica thing?

It's a Santa Monica thing in an enforcement sense, but yeah even if I was off work and not identifiable as a manager of a food retail outlet, if the food came from a business, we couldn't give it to them. We had to set up a secret drop system so the hungry could get leftovers and misfires. There's definitely a difference between the needy and the antagonistic drifters that hang around the Promenade, so i get that angle. However, this guy's talking about soup kitchens, which attract the same if not less the amount of riff raff that any city center does, and soup kitchens at least have an honest purpose. I think he's just trying to pay off some favors to the nouveau riche OC trash.


I can understand the thought behind the regulation but it seems like it's punishing well-meaning businesses. For the record I don't work for a company that has anything to do with food and was really talking about personal food purchases but you have the potential to help a lot more people.

And in regards to this douche in Costa Mesa; there is no way this guy is expressing an opinion people in town don't largely share. Unfortunately unlike things like education funding or fixing roads homelessness is a problem that will ALWAYS be with humanity. You could give everyone a free house, a free car, and free food and there would still be some moron who wound up homeless by the end of the week. In lieu of a solution the best we can do as a society is slight mitigation and help those who truly have a desire to get back on their feet.
 
2012-10-06 01:24:34 PM

birdboy2000: It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?


Dude, relax. There is going to be a government-run replacement, run by a fat-cat donor to the Republican mayor. I read it on Fark.
 
2012-10-06 01:25:29 PM

DoctorCal: Walking back the shrill tirade about corrupt motivation in 5...4...3...


Not yet. Republicans are part of the government racket as well. These private charities are cutting into their action.
 
2012-10-06 01:28:16 PM

Lunchlady: You could give everyone a free house, a free car, and free food and there would still be some moron who wound up homeless by the end of the week.


I really shouldn't have laughed at that.

/I'm rich, bee-atch!
 
2012-10-06 01:30:31 PM

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


I actually thought the mayor was probably a republican. I wonder.........who do you think he is going to vote for?

/hypothetical, of course
//someone had to ask....we were all thinking it
///yeah, I'm looking at you..... 0_o
 
2012-10-06 01:34:04 PM

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Successful troll is successful.

Why do you bother coming to Fark? The trolls are what makes it interesting.


And for the record.....I wasn't trolling. I was responding to the troll. We've all done it. It's like getting punished for feeding the ducks.....we all do it but we don't all go to jail for it.

//must be because I'm blah (Now that's a troll)
///please turn sarcasm meter on.....it's a more amusing way to waste time.
 
2012-10-06 01:35:35 PM
If you take away the social services the leaches of society will go to the next town to get their handouts. It's not like he's calling for eliminating services nationwide, he just wants them somewhere else.
 
2012-10-06 01:50:51 PM
FTFA: The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

Shut your farking noise holes you ugly assholes. "I have to look at homeless people when I go to the library. There are people whose existence makes me feel uncomfortable, and I have to look at them in public places that everyone has free access to."
 
2012-10-06 01:56:36 PM

Shaggy_C: he just wants them somewhere else.


And for that he deserves to be tarred and feathered.
 
2012-10-06 02:08:27 PM

WhyteRaven74: Shaggy_C: he just wants them somewhere else.

And for that he deserves to be tarred and feathered.


no, just shunned.
 
2012-10-06 02:11:51 PM

TV's Vinnie: What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.


As usual, spot on.
 
2012-10-06 02:13:15 PM

J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


You sound angry, beaver.
 
2012-10-06 02:13:27 PM
Ok, I usually avoid this tab like the plague, but since I live about 1/4 mile down the street from the soup kitchen in question and pass it about 10 times a day, I'm weighing in on this one. Anyone who feels that the quite modest local homeless population here is an issue has never been to Santa Cruz or SF. I'd say here we have a population of maybe 35 - 50 folks, the vast majority of which make themselves scarce except at mealtime. I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.
 
2012-10-06 02:19:20 PM

skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too


It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.
 
2012-10-06 02:20:08 PM
Does the mayor have a collection of Ayn Rand's novels on his bookshelf?
 
2012-10-06 02:21:30 PM
whatsupchuck
The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

Those who would eat must work.


TheOther
Why isn't your sign in Spanish?

Are you suggesting a government sign be written in Spanish?? This is AMERICA! We speak AMERICAN!


Lunchlady
I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.

Don't give anything to homeless people. Actually not kidding. Seriously, don't. Food is incredibly easy to get, and if it takes resources from churches then that's just a bonus.


birdboy2000
It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?

Homelessness has to be as miserable as possible, because it's a threat used to keep the working class from complaining.
 
2012-10-06 02:22:40 PM

Shaggy_C: If you take away the social services the leaches of society will go to the next town to get their handouts. It's not like he's calling for eliminating services nationwide, he just wants them somewhere else.


Someone should set up a web site for the homeless that rates each community for its benefits to the homeless. Since the homeless hang out at Libraries, they would have easy access to computers.
 
2012-10-06 02:26:23 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Why isn't the solution TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE BECOME NOT HOMELESS? You selfish, ignorant piece of shiat.


You tell him, queer fetus eater!

/no really, what a dick
 
2012-10-06 02:28:43 PM

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.


No, your "joke" (dick fingers) sucked.

I made a joke- that's surely a convincing response.
 
2012-10-06 02:31:02 PM

drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.


If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.
 
2012-10-06 02:33:24 PM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


how dare they try to share the planet with us in public

how dare they
 
2012-10-06 02:35:46 PM

smitty04: drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.

If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.


what "hood" are you talking about? Seriously are you trolling? The nearest "hood" is probably in Santa Ana, and even there it's not exactly Oakland. I live right off of 19th and Monrovia and if you think having some hispanic residents counts as a hood, you are the biggest pussy I've ever seen.
 
2012-10-06 02:36:20 PM

smitty04: If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them


Most homeless people don't have any issues with bugging people. Indeed a great many are very friendly.
 
2012-10-06 02:39:23 PM

DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark


I take it you have yet to see Once Upon A Time...

/The villainess is named Regina
//Thus, I'd bet this is a fake named based off that...
 
2012-10-06 02:39:52 PM

randomjsa: How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Unfortunately, Mayor Bever doesn't care about the other problems that will be created by shutting down the charities.

/Maybe we should sell the homeless to the British; I hear they'll eat just about anything. . .
 
2012-10-06 02:47:30 PM

drewogatory: The nearest "hood" is probably in Santa Ana


The nearest hood appears to be Louisville. Which is, of course, completely relevant to TFA. *eyeroll*

PsiChick: DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark

I take it you have yet to see Once Upon A Time...

/The villainess is named Regina
//Thus, I'd bet this is a fake named based off that...


www.kineticframes.com

I haven't seen it. I probably won't ever see it.
 
2012-10-06 02:48:27 PM

skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.


surely this ayn rand xian is an outlier in america
 
2012-10-06 02:53:28 PM

The nearest hood appears to be Louisville. Which is, of course, completely relevant to TFA. *eyeroll*


Seriously, if this was a " 'hood", the rich folk wouldn't be all up in arms over the homeless. It's three blocks from the Newport Beach city limits. Terrifying to walk around here at night I can tell you.
 
2012-10-06 03:09:50 PM

smitty04: drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.

If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.


You know, it might be easier to lie about being in the California city that the article and the post you responded to are about if you first removed from your profile the mention that you live in an entirely different state.
 
2012-10-06 03:12:14 PM

COMALite J: TheOther: smitty04:

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 720x501]

¿Why isn't your sign in Español?

For that matter, how did the photographer manage to position his camera so that the billboard mount was slightly off-angle from perfect perpendicularity to the camera focal plane, yet the billboard itself and all of its lettering is perfectly straight on, mapping exactly to the CCD pixel grid, and also completely avoid the CCD noise in both the white of the billboard background and the black of the lettering thereof, despite it being quite prevalent in the rest of the photo?


Um, magic?

/seriously, what a load
//fav'rit you is
 
2012-10-06 03:22:07 PM
Another reason California needs to remove Orange County.
 
2012-10-06 03:22:56 PM

iaazathot: skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.

Yes, because I have never heard other whackadoodles talk about how ridiculous it is that charities give to the poor.


Dishonest
 
2012-10-06 03:24:00 PM

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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.


Except in this case he wasn't.

I was at the Someone Cares soup kitchen one day. Most of the consumers there were elderly, families, and disabled individuals. NOT your stereotypical homeless bums. And they have very strict rules about when they serve, how soon people can start lining up, etc. I know, I know, anecdotal evidence blah blah; but unless that was one very unique day, I really don't think bevies of panhandling freeloaders are descending on Costa Mesa daily to scarf up a few sandwiches and bananas. Most of them are local residents who would be seriously harmed by the closure of the kitchen.
 
2012-10-06 03:26:45 PM

Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

something something Poe's law

That's another awesome refuge for idiots.

Oh look, you're being an obtuse coont and the world's shiattiest troll again, must be a day that ends in "y".


I know you heard obtuse on a TNT showing of Shawshank but it doesn't apply in all situations. This is one of those situations. Also, Poe's Law does not apply in all situations. In fact, it only applies in situations where you cannot tell if a right wing statement is said satirically. Since calling someone a sociopath for liking homelessness cannot be construed as a right wing comment, it is not applicable here. Lurk moar because you're apparently too stupid to participate.
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2012-10-06 03:28:30 PM

TheMysticS: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.


Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another
 
2012-10-06 03:30:15 PM

TheMysticS: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

No, your "joke" (dick fingers) sucked.

I made a joke- that's surely a convincing response.


Dick fingers? If you took my comment to FM as a serious belief that he enjoys seeing people be homeless, you're a stupid as you're trying to pretend you are
 
2012-10-06 03:33:00 PM

wookiee cookie: skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.

surely this ayn rand xian is an outlier in america


Surely most people who argue that charity should be handled privately don't try to prevent private charities from operating and this article is noteworthy because it is strange to us to hear of such a thing. Ergo any attempt to lump this shiathead in with other "whackadoodles" who support private over public charity is dishonest
 
2012-10-06 03:33:54 PM
TheMysticS: No, your "joke" (dick fingers) sucked.

(narrows eyes) Who're you callin' Dick Fingers?
 
2012-10-06 03:36:51 PM

Rashnu: Suggestions? Feel free to think outside the cardboard box.


It's like anything else. You cannot help people who will not help themselves. So the first thing to do is to find a way to sort out who will help themselves. One guy set out to prove that "Nickle and Dimed" was utter BS and did so by proving that starting with 25 dollars at a homeless shelter he was able to find work and eventually an apartment. No he was not living high on the hog but he could do it and from there he could have done anything. There are people among the homeless like that but perhaps they need a little motivation or perhaps just some therapy and council. I'm not experienced enough in this area

But none of that is new. It's the basic premise of pretty much any 'help the homeless' program.

The problem is what do you do with the people who will not help themselves? No matter what opportunity or help you give them they will just take advantage of it until they can't any longer and move on to another place where they can find a new type of enabler. This gets compounded by the fact that the more people you are able to help, the higher concentration you will get of people whom you are not able to help. Pluck out all the nuts you like from the mixed nuts and you are left with nothing except the kind you don't like.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why don't you ask General Eric Shinseki about the techniques he is using to end veteran homelessness by 2015? I'm sure that closing soup kitchens in an attempt to make them go away isn't part of the solution. Oh, that's right, I forgot, you will probably ignore him like you did when he told you the truth about how many soldiers were needed for your illegal invasion of Iraq.


You're talking about a completely different situation whether you know it or not. A program to help veterans can work in part simply because they are former military. They've been trained and conditioned and they can be motivated more readily as a group. His program will not "end" it by 2015 by the way but that sounds good on paper so we'll go with that. Past that you're a partisan tool spewing completely debunked talking points from years gone by.

DeaH: So why isn't this guy proposing a place to house the mentally ill? Why isn't he proposing drug treatment? No, he wants to starve them out of the area, even if it means some old people go hungry, too. It really is that simple.


Okay we'll let them live near you instead. How about that? I'm sure there's a suitable building fairly close to where you live. You can even work there. I'm sure you won't mind since you're so generous and kind with other peoples time and property, surely you are willing to deal with the old hungry people and the belligerent drunks creating health and sanitation problems all around where you live. That would be fine right?

Cut the crap. If you had to deal with the problems associated with a soup kitchen your bleeding little heart would fly right out the damn window in a hurry.

All the programs you can name have been tried and always have limited success. One of the most irritating things about liberals is their refusal to acknowledge that there are just some people who will not be helped because they will drain whatever resource you provide for as long as you will provide it. I already gave a solution to the 'old but not homeless' people. If that's your primary concern then I gave you the solution.

Hickory-smoked: I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.


It's a solution for the people of one area but as I said that just shifts the problem to another one. As I said to the above poster, but I'll be less snarky with you, helping people is all well and fine and I can appreciate that but your patience is going to wear thin quickly if you can't go to the park because it smells like shiat and vomit and you're worried about being harassed for change. You're not unsympathetic but maybe these people be helped somewhere down the road where you didn't have to see them.

That's human nature. That's the reaction of 95% of all people regardless of who they are and there are no exceptions to that. You have to admire the other 5% however.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.

All very good ideas. I'd be willing to try them if I was in a position to give them a try but you still have two problems. The immediate one is that the ideas you suggest will take years to even get going and in the meantime the park, the library, and all the other problems we've been talking about are still there. Is that fair to the people who live in that area? It probably isn't. The less immediate one is... like I've said... There are just some people you cannot help. They will not be helped no matter how many times you give them the chance to be helped. What are you going to do with them?

AcneVulgaris: Serve soylent green in the homeless kitchen, and eventually there will be no more homeless.


Cool story bro: I can't do very many impressions but Heston is one of the few I do well.
 
2012-10-06 03:37:24 PM
I'm both amused and appalled at those who whine that none of the solutions "cures" homelessness.

Build a man a fire, he stays warm for a night. Light a man on fire, and he's toasty for the rest of his life.
 
2012-10-06 03:45:33 PM

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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.

Except in this case he wasn't.

I was at the Someone Cares soup kitchen one day. Most of the consumers there were elderly, families, and disabled individuals. NOT your stereotypical homeless bums. And they have very strict rules about when they serve, how soon people can start lining up, etc. I know, I know, anecdotal evidence blah blah; but unless that was one very unique day, I really don't think bevies of panhandling freeloaders are descending on Costa Mesa daily to scarf up a few sandwiches and bananas. Most of them are local residents who would be seriously harmed by the closure of the kitchen.


You're right. Sorry I was distracted by him making a somewhat coherent post.
 
2012-10-06 03:46:07 PM

skullkrusher: Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another


How about giving them a house because they're human?
 
2012-10-06 03:50:14 PM
Four legged shelters good!

Two legged shelters bad!
 
2012-10-06 03:53:06 PM

skullkrusher: TheMysticS: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.

Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another


From a totally utilitarian standpoint, it would cost less money than having that person use other public resources.

From another totally utilitarian standpoint, you could just put that homeless person to death, but then you would be a dangerous sociopath.

Conservatives are just going to have to figure out that not everyone is GOING to take care of themselves. It's not like people who do take care of themselves are just going to give up and start to slack off. But some people have mental illnesses, addictions, etc. and are just not going to do it. You can round those people all up and kill them, or you can just get over the fact that yes, you are going to in part do work to house other people, and that's what part of having a decent society is. It's your responsibility. Sorry, but it is.

If you're Christian, as I am and as most Republicans claim to be, there's not even an argument here. Jesus didn't say "Give your coat to that coatless dude, but only if he promises to get a damn job." There were no conditions on giving to your fellow man. That dovetails quite nicely with the type of society that we're trying to run here, so just go with it. Life isn't fair. You'll get over the penny tax on alcohol going to some guy who will eventually drink himself to death getting an apartment.
 
2012-10-06 03:56:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.


Republican or Libertarian
 
2012-10-06 04:05:04 PM

HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


THIS.

I've eaten at Someone Cares many times and know a lot about it, as well as the shiathole known as Costa Mesa.

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.

Second, homeless people go to Costa Mesa because:

1) the average temperature is 10 degrees cooler than places like Santa Ana.

2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

3) it's fairly well-to-do in areas and panhandling can bring in decent money.

4) if you keep a low profile the cops generally don't hassle you since the are busy responding the rampant drug/alcohol use in that town and the farked up self-obsessed insane drivers.

Third, maybe HALF of the people that use Someone Cares are NOT homeless. They are very low income people who live in the crappy, overpriced apartments in the area.

Fourth, Someone Cares is there because of the homeless; the homeless are NOT there because of Someone Cares.

Excellent place to eat. On 19th, across from the Smart & Final. You line up starting at 12:30. Alcohol on your breath or obvious high? Don't bother getting in line; you will be bounced. Place seats about 80 people at a time, generally 300-400 on any given day. 5 days a week. If you are in the first group, when you get inside, you find a seat. They let people get into the actual food line either by table, or generally seniors first, then ladies and families with small kids, then men. If you in a later group you go directly to the food line. Full course meals: meat, vegie(s), fruit, bread, dessert. The meat may change during the course of the day. The food is VERY tasty and nutritious. The head chef is a lady with a couple of decades of experience. You can get three servings. Each time you get in line someone makes a small permanent marker dot on your hand as a counter.

When you are done eating you can get "to-go" stuff, generally fruit, or just-expired/day-old stuff from Trader Joe and Starbucks. Also bread - ALL the bread you want, all different kinds.

They also occasionally have clothing and toy give-aways, and have tutoring and ESL classes. Every few months a medical van shows up for free medical exams.
 
2012-10-06 04:08:04 PM

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


>>>>There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless

True. And also among the HOUSED residents of Costa Mesa. It's quite a Party City. And all the drivers are assholes.
 
2012-10-06 04:12:30 PM

Smelly McUgly: skullkrusher: TheMysticS: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.

Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another

From a totally utilitarian standpoint, it would cost less money than having that person use other public resources.

From another totally utilitarian standpoint, you could just put that homeless person to death, but then you would be a dangerous sociopath.

Conservatives are just going to have to figure out that not everyone is GOING to take care of themselves. It's not like people who do take care of themselves are just going to give up and start to slack off. But some people have mental illnesses, addictions, etc. and are just not going to do it. You can round those people all up and kill them, or you can just get over the fact that yes, you are going to in part do work to house other people, and that's what part of having a decent society is. It's your responsibility. Sorry, but it is.

If you're Christian, as I am and as most Republicans claim to be, there's not even an argument here. Jesus didn't say "Give your coat to that coatless dude, but only if he promises to get a damn job." There were no conditions on giving to your fellow man. That dovetails quite nicely with the type of society that we're trying to run here, so just go with it. Life isn't fair. You'll get over the penny tax on alcohol going to some guy who will eventually drink himself to death getting an apartment.


Issue with the policy in question is that homeless addicts are given homes for being addicts. Homeless non addicts are presumably left out in the cold, NPI.
 
2012-10-06 04:13:06 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Fourth, Someone Cares is there because of the homeless; the homeless are NOT there because of Someone Cares.


Charities begin at homeless, not the other way around.
 
2012-10-06 04:14:51 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: This is bad news... for Just Another Homeless OC Guy


Nope. I park elsewhere. Had a bad experience in Costa Mesa once. Only time we got accosted in the camper by someone trying to rob us. And the only time I had to use my Hot Shot Wasp Spray. (Not that I'm an ITG, but it put him into the hospital, and I understand he is now permanently blind in one eye and has chronic balance problems. I know this because he tried to sue us! LOL!) I called 911 of course and when the Costa Mesa cops arrived (20 minutes of the guy rolling around on the ground screaming) they took him to hospital/jail and let us go, cause the guy had a knife and "Gee, officer, I just kept the wasp spray around for, you know, wasps. It was the only thing I had at hand when the guy yanked open the camper door with the knife in his hand."
 
2012-10-06 04:15:11 PM

skullkrusher: Issue with the policy in question is that homeless addicts are given homes for being addicts. Homeless non addicts are presumably left out in the cold, NPI.


Dammit, Lucky Ducky is on smack!
 
2012-10-06 04:16:28 PM

TV's Vinnie: What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.


Happens all the time, and not just in Costa Mesa.
 
2012-10-06 04:16:44 PM
crappy, overpriced apartments

Eh, I think the rent here isn't bad. I split a big three bedroom house w/ garage and a huge yard with 3 other folks and my rent is $625. The big student type complexes with 3 pools etc. are kind of a rip off though, I agree. Those will run you $800 a bedroom and up.
 
2012-10-06 04:17:27 PM

Raharu: It is what Jesus would have wanted.

We are a Christian nation after all.


Figures he is a demcrat
 
2012-10-06 04:20:22 PM

born_yesterday: Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious

Might I also suggest changing the laws regarding institutional commitment and flooding the streets with mentally ill?

/OK, now we're just being silly


No your not being silly. There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.
 
2012-10-06 04:22:13 PM

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2012-10-06 04:22:26 PM
Paraphrased from the comments, but my sentiments: I remember when Ronald Reagan decided to close some of the state mental hospitals and care facilities. As a result we have these same people walking the streets of California. The homeless problem won't go away unless a way to eliminate homelessness is found. Unfortunately too many of the homeless are in need of the mental health services that were eliminated by Ronald Reagan. So, if someone wants to blame someone for the homeless, blame Ronald Reagan, that tin god Republicans worship.

If this is going to be a Christian nation, as republitards say, that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.
 
2012-10-06 04:26:02 PM

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Why isn't your sign in Spanish?


Because the ad is not aimed at the actual illegal aliens. See, in Arizona they have a phenomena known as "The Mists of Pandering". The mists, just like any other in lore, harbor an ancient evil. Except that in these mists, the evil takes the form of angry old men sporting tricorn hats and carrying incomprehensible misspelled signs. These horrible semi-mindless ghouls tend to gather in large groups where moan loudly and gesture violently to everyone who passes by. Not too dangerous, but their ramblings often allude to the use of guns and usurping of the American government.
 
2012-10-06 04:28:42 PM

randomjsa: Okay we'll let them live near you instead. How about that? I'm sure there's a suitable building fairly close to where you live. You can even work there. I'm sure you won't mind since you're so generous and kind with other peoples time and property, surely you are willing to deal with the old hungry people and the belligerent drunks creating health and sanitation problems all around where you live. That would be fine right?

Cut the crap. If you had to deal with the problems associated with a soup kitchen your bleeding little heart would fly right out the damn window in a hurry.

All the programs you can name have been tried and always have limited success. One of the most irritating things about liberals is their refusal to acknowledge that there are just some people who will not be helped because they will drain whatever resource you provide for as long as you will provide it. I already gave a solution to the 'old but not homeless' people. If that's your primary concern then I gave you the solution.


Yes, because housing for the mentally ill must be smack-dab in the middle of a neighborhood. It couldn't be built outside of town in a more country-like area. I know that prisons are generally in suburban neighborhoods in your world, too. That is because you want to come off as a hard-ass, instead you come off as an idiot, and that's just sad.
 
2012-10-06 04:35:36 PM

retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.


Hopefully not to Newport Beach.

/Newport Beach home owner.

//92663 represent
 
2012-10-06 04:37:23 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: The difference between SoCal and NorCal has always amazed me. I used to live in SoCal and they're much more conservative, generally speaking, than the rest of us. It's true there are little pockets on both sides of the aisle scattered throughout the state, but how the people in SoCal react to something is vastly different than how we up here in Fogland react to it. Apparently in Smogland, the proper response to working poor, low income elderly and homeless is to destroy the safety net that is not costing local government a damn thing. I thought that's what the conservatives wanted. The government out of the charity business and for private charities and churches to care for the poor. I guess they lied.......


So are you saying it is conservatives who are farking over the homeless? Or politicians? FYI, one of the HUGE supports for homeless meals, job search and financial help is Rick Warren's Saddleback Church (you know, that ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE church down in Lake Forest....).

In my personal experience, I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods. The former actually pony up help of one sort or another.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:34 PM
You can't just lock a person in an institution. ACLU would never allow it.

Starting in the 1960s, there has been a worldwide trend toward moving psychiatric patients from hospital settings to less restricting settings in the community, a shift known as "deinstitutionalization." Because the shift was typically not accompanied by a commensurate development of community-based services, critics say that deinstitutionalization has led to large numbers of people who would once have been inpatients being incarcerated in jails and prisons or becoming homeless when outpatient services are not available or they choose not to adhere to treatment outside the hospital. In some jurisdictions, laws authorizing court-ordered outpatient treatment have been passed in an effort to compel individuals with chronic, untreated severe mental illness to accept treatment while living outside the hospital.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:51 PM

retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.


Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.
 
2012-10-06 04:44:17 PM

mercator_psi: I live about 2 1/2 miles from Costa Mesa, so I am getting a kick etc.

A lot of OC is definitely right-leaning, but now there is finally a vocal minority of left-leaners to speak truth to power and make it be heard.

I lived in Bob "The Starfighters: MST3K EP 612" Dornan's district through my formative years. I (and we) got over it.



Stereotype much?
 
2012-10-06 04:46:16 PM

whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?


Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.
 
2012-10-06 04:47:46 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: skullkrusher: Real Women Drink Akvavit: We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up.

my impression what that they didn't want smelly homeless people stinking up the library. I don't imagine they are checking bank statements at the door so it's probably not an issue with poor people using the internet.

The only smelly homeless folks we usually have here are those that are newly homeless and haven't figured out where to go for a shower (for free). You can usually tell the homeless by the wire carts with bungee cords holding all of their stuff that they have to drag around with them everywhere more easily than how they smell or are dressed. Unless they're the severely mentally ill type, of course. The Salvation Army in Alkali Flats (a neighborhood just on the edge of downtown Sac) has to track some of those types down, shower 'em off, delouse them and give them new clothing when they get too rank. I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of... there. Most stay in one general area and are very isolationist, but once in a while, one will wander off and cause a bit of panic among the more well groomed, better smelling poor f ...


Fixed.
 
2012-10-06 04:48:56 PM

TDBoedy: whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

Yeah well not so much a conservative utopia when most of them are quite in favor of charities. This mayor is an ultra-douche, whose idea of solving the homeless problem is simply to...stop feeding them. Yeah...like they're ants and someone left a sugary drink out on the counter. Maybe he's trolling? If not then the town council/board/whatever need to stand up to him as do teh rest of the people in the community.


THIS. And they put their money behind it.
 
2012-10-06 04:50:55 PM

Dracolich: whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

All charties except one type. Can you guess where they want the poor to go? A long time ago this was one of the core mechanics of spreading and enforcing religion. You get food, and they get a follower that in turn increases their influence. If you leave the fold, they'll cut you off. Unless you find a different group to do business with, you'll become poor. And thus the circle of captivity is complete.


Mmmmm.... It is the Orange County churches who are in the fore-front of helping the homeless. And I have YET to find a single one who will refuse help if you decide to not be a follower.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:35 PM

Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens


Oh fark off.
 
2012-10-06 04:57:43 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.


Anaheim versus Chula Vista. Talk about a no win situation.

thehispster.files.wordpress.com

/Chula Vista to Anaheim in three weeks = 4.95 miles/per day

//Doesn't sound like too motivated of a guy.
 
2012-10-06 05:19:47 PM

MrEricSir: Another reason California needs to remove Orange County.


lifeinlabels.files.wordpress.com

IT'S NOT A TOOMAH!

/it's Fashion Island
 
2012-10-06 05:20:49 PM
The 47% running amok
 
2012-10-06 05:22:48 PM
Just Another OC Homeless Guy

Okay, help me figure this out. Why wouldn't any homeless person in California squat right now? Inertia?
 
2012-10-06 05:28:55 PM
Fark it. Give the homeless guns.
 
2012-10-06 05:29:01 PM

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I usually just fave such users, highlight 'em in red, and add "DERP" in the comments
 
2012-10-06 05:40:34 PM

Hobodeluxe: born_yesterday: Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!

so you're rewriting the gospels now to fit your selfish ideology?


No, he's right; Paul never said any of that shiat.

It was Matthew 25:34-46
 
2012-10-06 06:17:40 PM
FYI, this doesn't necessarily represent all or even most of Orange County. Costa Mesa is a place that prides itself on inflated property values. When aircraft fly over Costa Mesa, they're legally required to turn down the engines so they don't upset the residents of Costa Mesa. I'm honestly shocked that the city hasn't taken to bussing the homeless to Santa Ana.
 
2012-10-06 06:39:47 PM
You christians are a shameful, shameful lot.
 
2012-10-06 06:41:21 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.


Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?
 
2012-10-06 06:56:19 PM

LincolnLogolas: FYI, this doesn't necessarily represent all or even most of Orange County. Costa Mesa is a place that prides itself on inflated property values. When aircraft fly over Costa Mesa, they're legally required to turn down the engines so they don't upset the residents of Costa Mesa. I'm honestly shocked that the city hasn't taken to bussing the homeless to Santa Ana.


Noise abatement measures are hardly limited to Costa Mesa. Plus, I'm pretty sure it was the Back Bay/Newport Harbor folks who cried about the flight path. Anyway,I agree it was stupid to whine about the passenger jets when it's the goddamn police helicopters keeping the brown folk on the right side of Newport Beach city limits that's the real problem. And (westside) Costa Mesa has some pretty reasonable home prices considering it's a 5 minute bike ride to the beach.
 
2012-10-06 07:06:26 PM

HighOnCraic: Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?


Republicans are the best donors but the downside is all the Democrats see a good thing and hang around for more.
 
2012-10-06 07:09:15 PM
No, I didn't read all the comments . . .

That is one cold Beaver !
 
2012-10-06 07:14:54 PM

smitty04: HighOnCraic: Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Republicans are the best donors but the downside is all the Democrats see a good thing and hang around for more.


Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?
 
2012-10-06 07:19:56 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.


Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...
 
2012-10-06 07:23:31 PM

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Anaheim versus Chula Vista. Talk about a no win situation.

[thehispster.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

/Chula Vista to Anaheim in three weeks = 4.95 miles/per day

//Doesn't sound like too motivated of a guy.


As the crow flies.

A bit longer if you are walking on non-freeway streets. 

/did I mention that you are a simpleton?
 
2012-10-06 07:24:50 PM

RanDomino: Just Another OC Homeless Guy

Okay, help me figure this out. Why wouldn't any homeless person in California squat right now? Inertia?


What?
 
2012-10-06 07:26:48 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.
...
2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Stereotype much?

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of..


--------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------

Conservative farker who is one of the 47% complaining about a conservative mayor, blaming the ACLU, bemoaning the awful liberals while condemning someone else's "political asshattery", upset that the state is saving money by shutting down public (FREE) showers...

My head hurts.
 
2012-10-06 07:26:56 PM

HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?


Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.
 
2012-10-06 07:35:01 PM
It smells like latex gloves and laughing gas in here.
 
2012-10-06 07:37:00 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.


Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."
 
2012-10-06 07:42:43 PM

skullkrusher: wookiee cookie: skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.

surely this ayn rand xian is an outlier in america

Surely most people who argue that charity should be handled privately don't try to prevent private charities from operating and this article is noteworthy because it is strange to us to hear of such a thing. Ergo any attempt to lump this shiathead in with other "whackadoodles" who support private over public charity is dishonest


um no. other stories of nimbyism and "your private charity can't feed the homeless" are around
 
2012-10-06 08:03:16 PM

Gyrfalcon: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...



>>>>Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear

That's exactly what happened to the guy I mentioned above. He's had a Santa Ana court date for a "camping" ticket (from SAPD) and missed it by one day. So they got a bench warrant for that - THEN tried to say that that was his 3rd strike (he got out of Soledad (SVSP) 6 years ago and has been "straight and narrow" since. Luckily he had gotten to know a Tustin PD cop, of all people, who basically went to the Santa Ana Court and told the judge that the situation was bullshiat, so he got off with a loose probation. Now he stays around Tustin and away from Santa Ana.

This guy is in his late 30s now and had a violent past (home invasion, ADW) in his teens. Nicest guy in the world, now. He learned, and rehabilitated himself, but the System still has his number.
 
2012-10-06 08:04:56 PM

nickelni: Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.
...
2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Stereotype much?

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of..

--------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------

Conservative farker who is one of the 47% complaining about a conservative mayor, blaming the ACLU, bemoaning the awful liberals while condemning someone else's "political asshattery", upset that the state is saving money by shutting down public (FREE) showers...

My head hurts.


You're one of those one-dimensional thinkers, aren't you?
 
2012-10-06 08:22:30 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Gyrfalcon: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...


>>>>Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear

That's exactly what happened to the guy I mentioned above. He's had a Santa Ana court date for a "camping" ticket (from SAPD) and missed it by one day. So they got a bench warrant for that - THEN tried to say that that was his 3rd strike (he got out of Soledad (SVSP) 6 years ago and has been "straight and narrow" since. Luckily he had gotten to know a Tustin PD cop, of all people, who basically went to the Santa Ana Court and told the judge that the situation was bullshiat, so he got off with a loose probation. Now he stays around Tustin and away from Santa Ana.

This guy is in his late 30s now and had a violent past (home invasion, ADW) in his teens. Nicest guy in the world, now. He learned, and rehabilitated himself, but the System still has his number.


Man, I hope it wasn't the guy I knew in the psych ward....poor guy couldn't catch a break.
 
2012-10-06 08:24:21 PM

HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."


I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).

As I said: it's really not about political party, regardless of what you libtards believe you see through your rose-colored glasses. Lots of help for homeless and poor people comes from both liberal (ex: Episcopalian) and conservative (ex: Rick Warren's Saddleback Ministry) churches. Dedicated liberal whiner/hater groups? Not so much.

I get so farking tired of the self-righteous bullshiat that comes out of the mouths of activist liberals. I'd REALLY like to see some activist liberal political group "turn-to" and pony up some money and membership time sacrifice and put on some Sunday (or Saturday, whatever) breakfasts or dinners, like St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Tustin) and Saddleback Church (Santa Ana - note: not even in the SAME FARKING CITY (they are in Lake Forest - they go to where the homeless actually ARE).
 
2012-10-06 08:29:39 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).

As I said: it's really not about political party, regardless of what you libtards believe you see through your rose-colored glasses. Lots of help for homeless and poor people comes from both liberal (ex: Episcopalian) and conservative (ex: Rick Warren's Saddleback M ...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.
 
2012-10-06 08:32:05 PM
We now have actual homeless people spamming fark on behalf of the GOP. Did this plan to put wi-fi hotspots on them go through?
 
2012-10-06 08:37:11 PM

HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).
...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.


Oh, wow. Do you throw in a buck or two each Sunday to help support it? You must feel quite smug and happy about that.
 
2012-10-06 08:45:55 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).
...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.

Oh, wow. Do you throw in a buck or two each Sunday to help support it? You must feel quite smug and happy about that.


I'd REALLY like to see some activist liberal political group "turn-to" and pony up some money and membership time sacrifice and put on some Sunday (or Saturday, whatever) breakfasts or dinners, like St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Tustin)

I'm not part of an activist liberal political group, I'm part of one of those churches you complimented earlier, but sure, it would be great if some activist liberal political group donated money to my church to support our lunch program.

/Fortunately, the mayor of my town won't stop us from feeding people.
 
2012-10-06 09:06:45 PM
Just Another OC Homeless Guy
What?

California. Zillions of empty houses from the crash. Crashing municipal budgets. If someone's crazy, yeah, stay by the services. But if they've got their head on straight, why not not be homeless? If I can do it, surely someone who actually needs it can.
 
2012-10-06 10:11:22 PM

teto85: Paraphrased from the comments, but my sentiments: I remember when Ronald Reagan decided to close some of the state mental hospitals and care facilities. As a result we have these same people walking the streets of California. The homeless problem won't go away unless a way to eliminate homelessness is found. Unfortunately too many of the homeless are in need of the mental health services that were eliminated by Ronald Reagan. So, if someone wants to blame someone for the homeless, blame Ronald Reagan, that tin god Republicans worship.

If this is going to be a Christian nation, as republitards say, that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.


I dislike Reagan like any sane person would giving the fact surrounding his tenure as Gov of CA.

BUT...the Democratic legislature shares responsibility in closing down mental health services. He wanted to save money, they wanted to stop imprisoning innocent people who committed no crime.

A union made in hell.
 
2012-10-07 12:50:24 AM
My hometown made headlines maybe a decade ago for specifically banning construction of a center to give free shelter to illegal aliens. People complained that it wasn't to help anyone, but that getting rid of the center would force all the homeless illegal aliens to move to another town.

And, surprise, it worked perfectly. The local homeless population disappeared overnight, and then the next town over suddenly started biatching about a horde of homeless illegal aliens camping on their sidewalks.

It was a supremely callous move that did exactly what it was supposed to do.
 
2012-10-07 01:23:17 AM
It is a crime to be poor in the United States of Avarice, where the almighty dollar is the god in whom we trust.
 
2012-10-07 01:34:46 AM

HotWingAgenda: My hometown made headlines maybe a decade ago for specifically banning construction of a center to give free shelter to illegal aliens. People complained that it wasn't to help anyone, but that getting rid of the center would force all the homeless illegal aliens to move to another town.

And, surprise, it worked perfectly. The local homeless population disappeared overnight, and then the next town over suddenly started biatching about a horde of homeless illegal aliens camping on their sidewalks.

It was a supremely callous move that did exactly what it was supposed to do.


That worked in Santa Monica too, IIRC only the other way around. In an effort to look good, they ordered their cops not to arrest homeless people; lo and behold there were bums all over the place till the gentry complained--then they had to do something about it. Now they're back to living invisibly on the streets of surrounding communities.

You know, you can't actually solve the homeless problem till you solve the underlying issues: Mental illness, substance abuse and lack of low-income housing. Crazy, drunk and poor people will live on the streets when there are no cheap rooms for them to take their unpleasant selves into so you can't see them.
 
2012-10-07 03:31:35 AM
Cities with above average compassion create services to help the poor and homeless that is better than neighboring cities. This attracts more homeless to their city. Eventually, they get tired of providing more and more homeless services and start losing their compassion out of frustration.
 
2012-10-07 03:52:31 AM

OgreMagi: Cities with above average compassion create services to help the poor and homeless that is better than neighboring cities. This attracts more homeless to their city. Eventually, they get tired of providing more and more homeless services and start losing their compassion out of frustration.


They could provide less services and more housing, that might be a good place to start solving the frustration problem. Bringing back SROs and weekly-rental hotels would go an amazingly long way to solving the homelessness problem and you wouldn't even need to provide other services after that.
 
2012-10-07 05:59:01 AM
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2012-10-07 02:45:16 PM

Fart_Machine: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store. The woman had come in to, and successfully purchased, a blanket. She was being yelled at because the previous day she was banned from the store. I asked around to find out why.

"Because some customers called the police on her because she scared them."

I'm livid now. Don't give them money, sure, but don't treat them like garbage.

Having been to Walmart how exactly can you tell the difference between the homeless and their regular customers?


The regular customers don't (always) smell like shiat.
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