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(LA Times)   Interesting: California mayor decides to take up the issue of the homeless in his city. Fark: By attempting to shut down established charities that help them. Ultra Fark: His term expires in November   (latimes.com) divider line 243
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2012-10-06 04:47:46 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: skullkrusher: Real Women Drink Akvavit: We don't really have a problem with our homeless folks up here in NorCal. If one of them gets out of line, the others quickly correct them. No one wants to screw things up because a lot of them, homeless or sheltered or just very poor, really do rely very heavily on these charities and feedings in the parks and internet access at the library and free counseling. I'd be interested to know if the Costa Mesa homeless really are a nuisance or if the standard OC stick-up-the-bum attitude is coming out in spades because "I see homeless people!!!". Oh, noes. It must be terrible to have to explain to your children that those poors are gettin' all uppity and going to the library to use the internet and why it shouldn't be tolerated (because they're poor!). I think even most children would know that's beyond jacked up.

my impression what that they didn't want smelly homeless people stinking up the library. I don't imagine they are checking bank statements at the door so it's probably not an issue with poor people using the internet.

The only smelly homeless folks we usually have here are those that are newly homeless and haven't figured out where to go for a shower (for free). You can usually tell the homeless by the wire carts with bungee cords holding all of their stuff that they have to drag around with them everywhere more easily than how they smell or are dressed. Unless they're the severely mentally ill type, of course. The Salvation Army in Alkali Flats (a neighborhood just on the edge of downtown Sac) has to track some of those types down, shower 'em off, delouse them and give them new clothing when they get too rank. I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of... there. Most stay in one general area and are very isolationist, but once in a while, one will wander off and cause a bit of panic among the more well groomed, better smelling poor f ...


Fixed.
 
2012-10-06 04:48:56 PM  

TDBoedy: whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

Yeah well not so much a conservative utopia when most of them are quite in favor of charities. This mayor is an ultra-douche, whose idea of solving the homeless problem is simply to...stop feeding them. Yeah...like they're ants and someone left a sugary drink out on the counter. Maybe he's trolling? If not then the town council/board/whatever need to stand up to him as do teh rest of the people in the community.


THIS. And they put their money behind it.
 
2012-10-06 04:50:55 PM  

Dracolich: whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

All charties except one type. Can you guess where they want the poor to go? A long time ago this was one of the core mechanics of spreading and enforcing religion. You get food, and they get a follower that in turn increases their influence. If you leave the fold, they'll cut you off. Unless you find a different group to do business with, you'll become poor. And thus the circle of captivity is complete.


Mmmmm.... It is the Orange County churches who are in the fore-front of helping the homeless. And I have YET to find a single one who will refuse help if you decide to not be a follower.
 
2012-10-06 04:51:35 PM  

Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens


Oh fark off.
 
2012-10-06 04:57:43 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.


Anaheim versus Chula Vista. Talk about a no win situation.

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/Chula Vista to Anaheim in three weeks = 4.95 miles/per day

//Doesn't sound like too motivated of a guy.
 
2012-10-06 05:19:47 PM  

MrEricSir: Another reason California needs to remove Orange County.


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IT'S NOT A TOOMAH!

/it's Fashion Island
 
2012-10-06 05:20:49 PM  
The 47% running amok
 
2012-10-06 05:22:48 PM  
Just Another OC Homeless Guy

Okay, help me figure this out. Why wouldn't any homeless person in California squat right now? Inertia?
 
2012-10-06 05:28:55 PM  
Fark it. Give the homeless guns.
 
2012-10-06 05:29:01 PM  

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I usually just fave such users, highlight 'em in red, and add "DERP" in the comments
 
2012-10-06 05:40:34 PM  

Hobodeluxe: born_yesterday: Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!

so you're rewriting the gospels now to fit your selfish ideology?


No, he's right; Paul never said any of that shiat.

It was Matthew 25:34-46
 
2012-10-06 06:17:40 PM  
FYI, this doesn't necessarily represent all or even most of Orange County. Costa Mesa is a place that prides itself on inflated property values. When aircraft fly over Costa Mesa, they're legally required to turn down the engines so they don't upset the residents of Costa Mesa. I'm honestly shocked that the city hasn't taken to bussing the homeless to Santa Ana.
 
2012-10-06 06:39:47 PM  
You christians are a shameful, shameful lot.
 
2012-10-06 06:41:21 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.


Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?
 
2012-10-06 06:56:19 PM  

LincolnLogolas: FYI, this doesn't necessarily represent all or even most of Orange County. Costa Mesa is a place that prides itself on inflated property values. When aircraft fly over Costa Mesa, they're legally required to turn down the engines so they don't upset the residents of Costa Mesa. I'm honestly shocked that the city hasn't taken to bussing the homeless to Santa Ana.


Noise abatement measures are hardly limited to Costa Mesa. Plus, I'm pretty sure it was the Back Bay/Newport Harbor folks who cried about the flight path. Anyway,I agree it was stupid to whine about the passenger jets when it's the goddamn police helicopters keeping the brown folk on the right side of Newport Beach city limits that's the real problem. And (westside) Costa Mesa has some pretty reasonable home prices considering it's a 5 minute bike ride to the beach.
 
2012-10-06 07:06:26 PM  

HighOnCraic: Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?


Republicans are the best donors but the downside is all the Democrats see a good thing and hang around for more.
 
2012-10-06 07:09:15 PM  
No, I didn't read all the comments . . .

That is one cold Beaver !
 
2012-10-06 07:14:54 PM  

smitty04: HighOnCraic: Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Republicans are the best donors but the downside is all the Democrats see a good thing and hang around for more.


Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?
 
2012-10-06 07:19:56 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.


Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...
 
2012-10-06 07:23:31 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Anaheim versus Chula Vista. Talk about a no win situation.

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/Chula Vista to Anaheim in three weeks = 4.95 miles/per day

//Doesn't sound like too motivated of a guy.


As the crow flies.

A bit longer if you are walking on non-freeway streets. 

/did I mention that you are a simpleton?
 
2012-10-06 07:24:50 PM  

RanDomino: Just Another OC Homeless Guy

Okay, help me figure this out. Why wouldn't any homeless person in California squat right now? Inertia?


What?
 
2012-10-06 07:26:48 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.
...
2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Stereotype much?

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of..


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Conservative farker who is one of the 47% complaining about a conservative mayor, blaming the ACLU, bemoaning the awful liberals while condemning someone else's "political asshattery", upset that the state is saving money by shutting down public (FREE) showers...

My head hurts.
 
2012-10-06 07:26:56 PM  

HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?


Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.
 
2012-10-06 07:35:01 PM  
It smells like latex gloves and laughing gas in here.
 
2012-10-06 07:37:00 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.


Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."
 
2012-10-06 07:42:43 PM  

skullkrusher: wookiee cookie: skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.

surely this ayn rand xian is an outlier in america

Surely most people who argue that charity should be handled privately don't try to prevent private charities from operating and this article is noteworthy because it is strange to us to hear of such a thing. Ergo any attempt to lump this shiathead in with other "whackadoodles" who support private over public charity is dishonest


um no. other stories of nimbyism and "your private charity can't feed the homeless" are around
 
2012-10-06 08:03:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...



>>>>Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear

That's exactly what happened to the guy I mentioned above. He's had a Santa Ana court date for a "camping" ticket (from SAPD) and missed it by one day. So they got a bench warrant for that - THEN tried to say that that was his 3rd strike (he got out of Soledad (SVSP) 6 years ago and has been "straight and narrow" since. Luckily he had gotten to know a Tustin PD cop, of all people, who basically went to the Santa Ana Court and told the judge that the situation was bullshiat, so he got off with a loose probation. Now he stays around Tustin and away from Santa Ana.

This guy is in his late 30s now and had a violent past (home invasion, ADW) in his teens. Nicest guy in the world, now. He learned, and rehabilitated himself, but the System still has his number.
 
2012-10-06 08:04:56 PM  

nickelni: Just Another OC Homeless Guy:

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.
...
2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Stereotype much?

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.

Just Another OC Homeless Guy:
I can see why no one would want them around, but since there's nowhere to put them (thanks, zombie Reagan! ACLU) they're just kind of..

--------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------

Conservative farker who is one of the 47% complaining about a conservative mayor, blaming the ACLU, bemoaning the awful liberals while condemning someone else's "political asshattery", upset that the state is saving money by shutting down public (FREE) showers...

My head hurts.


You're one of those one-dimensional thinkers, aren't you?
 
2012-10-06 08:22:30 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Gyrfalcon: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.

Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.

Oh, this in spades.

We ran into that all the time when I was a patient advocate with the mental health agency in OC. People were missing their appointments and court dates because the cops were driving them to freaking San Bernardino County and dumping them up near Fontana. Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear and couldn't prove it, because--surprise!--there was no record of any deputy or cop taking them anyplace else. Tsk! Typical lying crazy people...


>>>>Then they'd get bench warrants for failure to appear

That's exactly what happened to the guy I mentioned above. He's had a Santa Ana court date for a "camping" ticket (from SAPD) and missed it by one day. So they got a bench warrant for that - THEN tried to say that that was his 3rd strike (he got out of Soledad (SVSP) 6 years ago and has been "straight and narrow" since. Luckily he had gotten to know a Tustin PD cop, of all people, who basically went to the Santa Ana Court and told the judge that the situation was bullshiat, so he got off with a loose probation. Now he stays around Tustin and away from Santa Ana.

This guy is in his late 30s now and had a violent past (home invasion, ADW) in his teens. Nicest guy in the world, now. He learned, and rehabilitated himself, but the System still has his number.


Man, I hope it wasn't the guy I knew in the psych ward....poor guy couldn't catch a break.
 
2012-10-06 08:24:21 PM  

HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."


I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).

As I said: it's really not about political party, regardless of what you libtards believe you see through your rose-colored glasses. Lots of help for homeless and poor people comes from both liberal (ex: Episcopalian) and conservative (ex: Rick Warren's Saddleback Ministry) churches. Dedicated liberal whiner/hater groups? Not so much.

I get so farking tired of the self-righteous bullshiat that comes out of the mouths of activist liberals. I'd REALLY like to see some activist liberal political group "turn-to" and pony up some money and membership time sacrifice and put on some Sunday (or Saturday, whatever) breakfasts or dinners, like St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Tustin) and Saddleback Church (Santa Ana - note: not even in the SAME FARKING CITY (they are in Lake Forest - they go to where the homeless actually ARE).
 
2012-10-06 08:29:39 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).

As I said: it's really not about political party, regardless of what you libtards believe you see through your rose-colored glasses. Lots of help for homeless and poor people comes from both liberal (ex: Episcopalian) and conservative (ex: Rick Warren's Saddleback M ...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.
 
2012-10-06 08:32:05 PM  
We now have actual homeless people spamming fark on behalf of the GOP. Did this plan to put wi-fi hotspots on them go through?
 
2012-10-06 08:37:11 PM  

HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).
...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.


Oh, wow. Do you throw in a buck or two each Sunday to help support it? You must feel quite smug and happy about that.
 
2012-10-06 08:45:55 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: HighOnCraic: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Lehk: wildcardjack: The thing about social workers and poverty....

If they were successful they'd be out of a job. So it benefits them to be just a little less than helpful.


theoretically yes, but we can always count on republicans and capitalists to churn out more destitute citizens

Oh fark off.

Can you at least admit that the Republican mayor in TFA is trying to screw over the homeless?

Oh yes. But there all also plenty of Democrats that do exactly the same thing.

Hard as this may be for you to wrap your brain around, it's NOT about party.

Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations. I think it's bad, regardless of who's doing it, but it's strange how you keep trying to deflect the blame away from a guy who's trying to screw over homeless people in your area.

Should OC homeless guys rummage through trash cans while saying, "Well, the mayor shut down charities that used to help us, but you know, I bet there's some Democrat out there who did the same thing, so knowing that is better than having food."

I am? Really? What'cha smoking there, Alice?

>>>>Then I'm sure you have plenty of citations.

How about just two off the top of my head: Irvine mayors Larry Agran and Sukhee Kang. Both assholes, both Democrats, and both committed to farking over the homeless as much as possible. Irvine is the city that tramples on private property rights and says that a property owner can be cited for allowing overnight vehicle "camping" ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. It's to maintain the pristine niceness of the People's Republic of Irvine (where virtually everything is regulated like it is some gigantic farking HOA).
...


My church (Episcopalian) has a brown bag lunch program, so go be mad at someone else.

Oh, wow. Do you throw in a buck or two each Sunday to help support it? You must feel quite smug and happy about that.


I'd REALLY like to see some activist liberal political group "turn-to" and pony up some money and membership time sacrifice and put on some Sunday (or Saturday, whatever) breakfasts or dinners, like St. Paul's Episcopal Church (Tustin)

I'm not part of an activist liberal political group, I'm part of one of those churches you complimented earlier, but sure, it would be great if some activist liberal political group donated money to my church to support our lunch program.

/Fortunately, the mayor of my town won't stop us from feeding people.
 
2012-10-06 09:06:45 PM  
Just Another OC Homeless Guy
What?

California. Zillions of empty houses from the crash. Crashing municipal budgets. If someone's crazy, yeah, stay by the services. But if they've got their head on straight, why not not be homeless? If I can do it, surely someone who actually needs it can.
 
2012-10-06 10:11:22 PM  

teto85: Paraphrased from the comments, but my sentiments: I remember when Ronald Reagan decided to close some of the state mental hospitals and care facilities. As a result we have these same people walking the streets of California. The homeless problem won't go away unless a way to eliminate homelessness is found. Unfortunately too many of the homeless are in need of the mental health services that were eliminated by Ronald Reagan. So, if someone wants to blame someone for the homeless, blame Ronald Reagan, that tin god Republicans worship.

If this is going to be a Christian nation, as republitards say, that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.


I dislike Reagan like any sane person would giving the fact surrounding his tenure as Gov of CA.

BUT...the Democratic legislature shares responsibility in closing down mental health services. He wanted to save money, they wanted to stop imprisoning innocent people who committed no crime.

A union made in hell.
 
2012-10-07 12:50:24 AM  
My hometown made headlines maybe a decade ago for specifically banning construction of a center to give free shelter to illegal aliens. People complained that it wasn't to help anyone, but that getting rid of the center would force all the homeless illegal aliens to move to another town.

And, surprise, it worked perfectly. The local homeless population disappeared overnight, and then the next town over suddenly started biatching about a horde of homeless illegal aliens camping on their sidewalks.

It was a supremely callous move that did exactly what it was supposed to do.
 
2012-10-07 01:23:17 AM  
It is a crime to be poor in the United States of Avarice, where the almighty dollar is the god in whom we trust.
 
2012-10-07 01:34:46 AM  

HotWingAgenda: My hometown made headlines maybe a decade ago for specifically banning construction of a center to give free shelter to illegal aliens. People complained that it wasn't to help anyone, but that getting rid of the center would force all the homeless illegal aliens to move to another town.

And, surprise, it worked perfectly. The local homeless population disappeared overnight, and then the next town over suddenly started biatching about a horde of homeless illegal aliens camping on their sidewalks.

It was a supremely callous move that did exactly what it was supposed to do.


That worked in Santa Monica too, IIRC only the other way around. In an effort to look good, they ordered their cops not to arrest homeless people; lo and behold there were bums all over the place till the gentry complained--then they had to do something about it. Now they're back to living invisibly on the streets of surrounding communities.

You know, you can't actually solve the homeless problem till you solve the underlying issues: Mental illness, substance abuse and lack of low-income housing. Crazy, drunk and poor people will live on the streets when there are no cheap rooms for them to take their unpleasant selves into so you can't see them.
 
2012-10-07 03:31:35 AM  
Cities with above average compassion create services to help the poor and homeless that is better than neighboring cities. This attracts more homeless to their city. Eventually, they get tired of providing more and more homeless services and start losing their compassion out of frustration.
 
2012-10-07 03:52:31 AM  

OgreMagi: Cities with above average compassion create services to help the poor and homeless that is better than neighboring cities. This attracts more homeless to their city. Eventually, they get tired of providing more and more homeless services and start losing their compassion out of frustration.


They could provide less services and more housing, that might be a good place to start solving the frustration problem. Bringing back SROs and weekly-rental hotels would go an amazingly long way to solving the homelessness problem and you wouldn't even need to provide other services after that.
 
2012-10-07 05:59:01 AM  
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2012-10-07 02:45:16 PM  

Fart_Machine: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store. The woman had come in to, and successfully purchased, a blanket. She was being yelled at because the previous day she was banned from the store. I asked around to find out why.

"Because some customers called the police on her because she scared them."

I'm livid now. Don't give them money, sure, but don't treat them like garbage.

Having been to Walmart how exactly can you tell the difference between the homeless and their regular customers?


The regular customers don't (always) smell like shiat.
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