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(LA Times)   Interesting: California mayor decides to take up the issue of the homeless in his city. Fark: By attempting to shut down established charities that help them. Ultra Fark: His term expires in November   (latimes.com) divider line 243
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2012-10-06 02:21:30 PM  
whatsupchuck
The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?

Those who would eat must work.


TheOther
Why isn't your sign in Spanish?

Are you suggesting a government sign be written in Spanish?? This is AMERICA! We speak AMERICAN!


Lunchlady
I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.

Don't give anything to homeless people. Actually not kidding. Seriously, don't. Food is incredibly easy to get, and if it takes resources from churches then that's just a bonus.


birdboy2000
It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?

Homelessness has to be as miserable as possible, because it's a threat used to keep the working class from complaining.
 
2012-10-06 02:22:40 PM  

Shaggy_C: If you take away the social services the leaches of society will go to the next town to get their handouts. It's not like he's calling for eliminating services nationwide, he just wants them somewhere else.


Someone should set up a web site for the homeless that rates each community for its benefits to the homeless. Since the homeless hang out at Libraries, they would have easy access to computers.
 
2012-10-06 02:26:23 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Why isn't the solution TO HELP THOSE HOMELESS PEOPLE BECOME NOT HOMELESS? You selfish, ignorant piece of shiat.


You tell him, queer fetus eater!

/no really, what a dick
 
2012-10-06 02:28:43 PM  

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.


No, your "joke" (dick fingers) sucked.

I made a joke- that's surely a convincing response.
 
2012-10-06 02:31:02 PM  

drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.


If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.
 
2012-10-06 02:33:24 PM  

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


how dare they try to share the planet with us in public

how dare they
 
2012-10-06 02:35:46 PM  

smitty04: drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.

If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.


what "hood" are you talking about? Seriously are you trolling? The nearest "hood" is probably in Santa Ana, and even there it's not exactly Oakland. I live right off of 19th and Monrovia and if you think having some hispanic residents counts as a hood, you are the biggest pussy I've ever seen.
 
2012-10-06 02:36:20 PM  

smitty04: If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them


Most homeless people don't have any issues with bugging people. Indeed a great many are very friendly.
 
2012-10-06 02:39:23 PM  

DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark


I take it you have yet to see Once Upon A Time...

/The villainess is named Regina
//Thus, I'd bet this is a fake named based off that...
 
2012-10-06 02:39:52 PM  

randomjsa: How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Unfortunately, Mayor Bever doesn't care about the other problems that will be created by shutting down the charities.

/Maybe we should sell the homeless to the British; I hear they'll eat just about anything. . .
 
2012-10-06 02:47:30 PM  

drewogatory: The nearest "hood" is probably in Santa Ana


The nearest hood appears to be Louisville. Which is, of course, completely relevant to TFA. *eyeroll*

PsiChick: DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark

I take it you have yet to see Once Upon A Time...

/The villainess is named Regina
//Thus, I'd bet this is a fake named based off that...


www.kineticframes.com

I haven't seen it. I probably won't ever see it.
 
2012-10-06 02:48:27 PM  

skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.


surely this ayn rand xian is an outlier in america
 
2012-10-06 02:53:28 PM  

The nearest hood appears to be Louisville. Which is, of course, completely relevant to TFA. *eyeroll*


Seriously, if this was a " 'hood", the rich folk wouldn't be all up in arms over the homeless. It's three blocks from the Newport Beach city limits. Terrifying to walk around here at night I can tell you.
 
2012-10-06 03:09:50 PM  

smitty04: drewogatory: I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.

If that is true, then the baseball bat you carry must be intimidating them. I am usually accosted by a drunk wanting money for food or surrounded by a group of teens from the hood just wanting money.


You know, it might be easier to lie about being in the California city that the article and the post you responded to are about if you first removed from your profile the mention that you live in an entirely different state.
 
2012-10-06 03:12:14 PM  

COMALite J: TheOther: smitty04:

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¿Why isn't your sign in Español?

For that matter, how did the photographer manage to position his camera so that the billboard mount was slightly off-angle from perfect perpendicularity to the camera focal plane, yet the billboard itself and all of its lettering is perfectly straight on, mapping exactly to the CCD pixel grid, and also completely avoid the CCD noise in both the white of the billboard background and the black of the lettering thereof, despite it being quite prevalent in the rest of the photo?


Um, magic?

/seriously, what a load
//fav'rit you is
 
2012-10-06 03:22:07 PM  
Another reason California needs to remove Orange County.
 
2012-10-06 03:22:56 PM  

iaazathot: skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.

Yes, because I have never heard other whackadoodles talk about how ridiculous it is that charities give to the poor.


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2012-10-06 03:24:00 PM  

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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.


Except in this case he wasn't.

I was at the Someone Cares soup kitchen one day. Most of the consumers there were elderly, families, and disabled individuals. NOT your stereotypical homeless bums. And they have very strict rules about when they serve, how soon people can start lining up, etc. I know, I know, anecdotal evidence blah blah; but unless that was one very unique day, I really don't think bevies of panhandling freeloaders are descending on Costa Mesa daily to scarf up a few sandwiches and bananas. Most of them are local residents who would be seriously harmed by the closure of the kitchen.
 
2012-10-06 03:26:45 PM  

Bender The Offender: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

something something Poe's law

That's another awesome refuge for idiots.

Oh look, you're being an obtuse coont and the world's shiattiest troll again, must be a day that ends in "y".


I know you heard obtuse on a TNT showing of Shawshank but it doesn't apply in all situations. This is one of those situations. Also, Poe's Law does not apply in all situations. In fact, it only applies in situations where you cannot tell if a right wing statement is said satirically. Since calling someone a sociopath for liking homelessness cannot be construed as a right wing comment, it is not applicable here. Lurk moar because you're apparently too stupid to participate.
You're welcome.
 
2012-10-06 03:28:30 PM  

TheMysticS: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.


Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another
 
2012-10-06 03:30:15 PM  

TheMysticS: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

No, your "joke" (dick fingers) sucked.

I made a joke- that's surely a convincing response.


Dick fingers? If you took my comment to FM as a serious belief that he enjoys seeing people be homeless, you're a stupid as you're trying to pretend you are
 
2012-10-06 03:33:00 PM  

wookiee cookie: skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.

surely this ayn rand xian is an outlier in america


Surely most people who argue that charity should be handled privately don't try to prevent private charities from operating and this article is noteworthy because it is strange to us to hear of such a thing. Ergo any attempt to lump this shiathead in with other "whackadoodles" who support private over public charity is dishonest
 
2012-10-06 03:33:54 PM  
TheMysticS: No, your "joke" (dick fingers) sucked.

(narrows eyes) Who're you callin' Dick Fingers?
 
2012-10-06 03:36:51 PM  

Rashnu: Suggestions? Feel free to think outside the cardboard box.


It's like anything else. You cannot help people who will not help themselves. So the first thing to do is to find a way to sort out who will help themselves. One guy set out to prove that "Nickle and Dimed" was utter BS and did so by proving that starting with 25 dollars at a homeless shelter he was able to find work and eventually an apartment. No he was not living high on the hog but he could do it and from there he could have done anything. There are people among the homeless like that but perhaps they need a little motivation or perhaps just some therapy and council. I'm not experienced enough in this area

But none of that is new. It's the basic premise of pretty much any 'help the homeless' program.

The problem is what do you do with the people who will not help themselves? No matter what opportunity or help you give them they will just take advantage of it until they can't any longer and move on to another place where they can find a new type of enabler. This gets compounded by the fact that the more people you are able to help, the higher concentration you will get of people whom you are not able to help. Pluck out all the nuts you like from the mixed nuts and you are left with nothing except the kind you don't like.

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Why don't you ask General Eric Shinseki about the techniques he is using to end veteran homelessness by 2015? I'm sure that closing soup kitchens in an attempt to make them go away isn't part of the solution. Oh, that's right, I forgot, you will probably ignore him like you did when he told you the truth about how many soldiers were needed for your illegal invasion of Iraq.


You're talking about a completely different situation whether you know it or not. A program to help veterans can work in part simply because they are former military. They've been trained and conditioned and they can be motivated more readily as a group. His program will not "end" it by 2015 by the way but that sounds good on paper so we'll go with that. Past that you're a partisan tool spewing completely debunked talking points from years gone by.

DeaH: So why isn't this guy proposing a place to house the mentally ill? Why isn't he proposing drug treatment? No, he wants to starve them out of the area, even if it means some old people go hungry, too. It really is that simple.


Okay we'll let them live near you instead. How about that? I'm sure there's a suitable building fairly close to where you live. You can even work there. I'm sure you won't mind since you're so generous and kind with other peoples time and property, surely you are willing to deal with the old hungry people and the belligerent drunks creating health and sanitation problems all around where you live. That would be fine right?

Cut the crap. If you had to deal with the problems associated with a soup kitchen your bleeding little heart would fly right out the damn window in a hurry.

All the programs you can name have been tried and always have limited success. One of the most irritating things about liberals is their refusal to acknowledge that there are just some people who will not be helped because they will drain whatever resource you provide for as long as you will provide it. I already gave a solution to the 'old but not homeless' people. If that's your primary concern then I gave you the solution.

Hickory-smoked: I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.


It's a solution for the people of one area but as I said that just shifts the problem to another one. As I said to the above poster, but I'll be less snarky with you, helping people is all well and fine and I can appreciate that but your patience is going to wear thin quickly if you can't go to the park because it smells like shiat and vomit and you're worried about being harassed for change. You're not unsympathetic but maybe these people be helped somewhere down the road where you didn't have to see them.

That's human nature. That's the reaction of 95% of all people regardless of who they are and there are no exceptions to that. You have to admire the other 5% however.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.

All very good ideas. I'd be willing to try them if I was in a position to give them a try but you still have two problems. The immediate one is that the ideas you suggest will take years to even get going and in the meantime the park, the library, and all the other problems we've been talking about are still there. Is that fair to the people who live in that area? It probably isn't. The less immediate one is... like I've said... There are just some people you cannot help. They will not be helped no matter how many times you give them the chance to be helped. What are you going to do with them?

AcneVulgaris: Serve soylent green in the homeless kitchen, and eventually there will be no more homeless.


Cool story bro: I can't do very many impressions but Heston is one of the few I do well.
 
2012-10-06 03:37:24 PM  
I'm both amused and appalled at those who whine that none of the solutions "cures" homelessness.

Build a man a fire, he stays warm for a night. Light a man on fire, and he's toasty for the rest of his life.
 
2012-10-06 03:45:33 PM  

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The thing is that he was actually right about something for once.
/I know. I'm scared too.

Except in this case he wasn't.

I was at the Someone Cares soup kitchen one day. Most of the consumers there were elderly, families, and disabled individuals. NOT your stereotypical homeless bums. And they have very strict rules about when they serve, how soon people can start lining up, etc. I know, I know, anecdotal evidence blah blah; but unless that was one very unique day, I really don't think bevies of panhandling freeloaders are descending on Costa Mesa daily to scarf up a few sandwiches and bananas. Most of them are local residents who would be seriously harmed by the closure of the kitchen.


You're right. Sorry I was distracted by him making a somewhat coherent post.
 
2012-10-06 03:46:07 PM  

skullkrusher: Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another


How about giving them a house because they're human?
 
2012-10-06 03:50:14 PM  
Four legged shelters good!

Two legged shelters bad!
 
2012-10-06 03:53:06 PM  

skullkrusher: TheMysticS: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.

Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another


From a totally utilitarian standpoint, it would cost less money than having that person use other public resources.

From another totally utilitarian standpoint, you could just put that homeless person to death, but then you would be a dangerous sociopath.

Conservatives are just going to have to figure out that not everyone is GOING to take care of themselves. It's not like people who do take care of themselves are just going to give up and start to slack off. But some people have mental illnesses, addictions, etc. and are just not going to do it. You can round those people all up and kill them, or you can just get over the fact that yes, you are going to in part do work to house other people, and that's what part of having a decent society is. It's your responsibility. Sorry, but it is.

If you're Christian, as I am and as most Republicans claim to be, there's not even an argument here. Jesus didn't say "Give your coat to that coatless dude, but only if he promises to get a damn job." There were no conditions on giving to your fellow man. That dovetails quite nicely with the type of society that we're trying to run here, so just go with it. Life isn't fair. You'll get over the penny tax on alcohol going to some guy who will eventually drink himself to death getting an apartment.
 
2012-10-06 03:56:18 PM  

TV's Vinnie: What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.


Republican or Libertarian
 
2012-10-06 04:05:04 PM  

HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.


THIS.

I've eaten at Someone Cares many times and know a lot about it, as well as the shiathole known as Costa Mesa.

First, the mayor is, in fact, a supreme asshole.

Second, homeless people go to Costa Mesa because:

1) the average temperature is 10 degrees cooler than places like Santa Ana.

2) it's near the beach and free showers (until State of CA started "saving money" -cough saying fark you to taxpayers cough - by shutting them off)

3) it's fairly well-to-do in areas and panhandling can bring in decent money.

4) if you keep a low profile the cops generally don't hassle you since the are busy responding the rampant drug/alcohol use in that town and the farked up self-obsessed insane drivers.

Third, maybe HALF of the people that use Someone Cares are NOT homeless. They are very low income people who live in the crappy, overpriced apartments in the area.

Fourth, Someone Cares is there because of the homeless; the homeless are NOT there because of Someone Cares.

Excellent place to eat. On 19th, across from the Smart & Final. You line up starting at 12:30. Alcohol on your breath or obvious high? Don't bother getting in line; you will be bounced. Place seats about 80 people at a time, generally 300-400 on any given day. 5 days a week. If you are in the first group, when you get inside, you find a seat. They let people get into the actual food line either by table, or generally seniors first, then ladies and families with small kids, then men. If you in a later group you go directly to the food line. Full course meals: meat, vegie(s), fruit, bread, dessert. The meat may change during the course of the day. The food is VERY tasty and nutritious. The head chef is a lady with a couple of decades of experience. You can get three servings. Each time you get in line someone makes a small permanent marker dot on your hand as a counter.

When you are done eating you can get "to-go" stuff, generally fruit, or just-expired/day-old stuff from Trader Joe and Starbucks. Also bread - ALL the bread you want, all different kinds.

They also occasionally have clothing and toy give-aways, and have tutoring and ESL classes. Every few months a medical van shows up for free medical exams.
 
2012-10-06 04:08:04 PM  

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


>>>>There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless

True. And also among the HOUSED residents of Costa Mesa. It's quite a Party City. And all the drivers are assholes.
 
2012-10-06 04:12:30 PM  

Smelly McUgly: skullkrusher: TheMysticS: skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too

It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.

Compassion is one thing, giving someone a house because they're an addict is quite another

From a totally utilitarian standpoint, it would cost less money than having that person use other public resources.

From another totally utilitarian standpoint, you could just put that homeless person to death, but then you would be a dangerous sociopath.

Conservatives are just going to have to figure out that not everyone is GOING to take care of themselves. It's not like people who do take care of themselves are just going to give up and start to slack off. But some people have mental illnesses, addictions, etc. and are just not going to do it. You can round those people all up and kill them, or you can just get over the fact that yes, you are going to in part do work to house other people, and that's what part of having a decent society is. It's your responsibility. Sorry, but it is.

If you're Christian, as I am and as most Republicans claim to be, there's not even an argument here. Jesus didn't say "Give your coat to that coatless dude, but only if he promises to get a damn job." There were no conditions on giving to your fellow man. That dovetails quite nicely with the type of society that we're trying to run here, so just go with it. Life isn't fair. You'll get over the penny tax on alcohol going to some guy who will eventually drink himself to death getting an apartment.


Issue with the policy in question is that homeless addicts are given homes for being addicts. Homeless non addicts are presumably left out in the cold, NPI.
 
2012-10-06 04:13:06 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Fourth, Someone Cares is there because of the homeless; the homeless are NOT there because of Someone Cares.


Charities begin at homeless, not the other way around.
 
2012-10-06 04:14:51 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: This is bad news... for Just Another Homeless OC Guy


Nope. I park elsewhere. Had a bad experience in Costa Mesa once. Only time we got accosted in the camper by someone trying to rob us. And the only time I had to use my Hot Shot Wasp Spray. (Not that I'm an ITG, but it put him into the hospital, and I understand he is now permanently blind in one eye and has chronic balance problems. I know this because he tried to sue us! LOL!) I called 911 of course and when the Costa Mesa cops arrived (20 minutes of the guy rolling around on the ground screaming) they took him to hospital/jail and let us go, cause the guy had a knife and "Gee, officer, I just kept the wasp spray around for, you know, wasps. It was the only thing I had at hand when the guy yanked open the camper door with the knife in his hand."
 
2012-10-06 04:15:11 PM  

skullkrusher: Issue with the policy in question is that homeless addicts are given homes for being addicts. Homeless non addicts are presumably left out in the cold, NPI.


Dammit, Lucky Ducky is on smack!
 
2012-10-06 04:16:28 PM  

TV's Vinnie: What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.


Happens all the time, and not just in Costa Mesa.
 
2012-10-06 04:16:44 PM  
crappy, overpriced apartments

Eh, I think the rent here isn't bad. I split a big three bedroom house w/ garage and a huge yard with 3 other folks and my rent is $625. The big student type complexes with 3 pools etc. are kind of a rip off though, I agree. Those will run you $800 a bedroom and up.
 
2012-10-06 04:17:27 PM  

Raharu: It is what Jesus would have wanted.

We are a Christian nation after all.


Figures he is a demcrat
 
2012-10-06 04:20:22 PM  

born_yesterday: Rashnu: randomjsa: The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?

Ideas:
Make them show their ID cards and prove local residency to get fed (hey, if it's good enough for voting!).
Have a bunch of wars, cut veteran services and shred the social safety net.
Make being homeless in public illegal.

/street bum type homeless people are mostly pretty damn obnoxious

Might I also suggest changing the laws regarding institutional commitment and flooding the streets with mentally ill?

/OK, now we're just being silly


No your not being silly. There are many schizophrenics who live on the street. This is, as the ACLU put it, to protect their freedoms. I'm sorry, libtard asshat tunnel-vision lawyers, but many mentally ill people THINK THEIR MEDICATIONS ARE POISON and refuse to take them. They can't, in other words, HANDLE freedom and are caught in a Catch-22.
 
2012-10-06 04:22:13 PM  

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2012-10-06 04:22:26 PM  
Paraphrased from the comments, but my sentiments: I remember when Ronald Reagan decided to close some of the state mental hospitals and care facilities. As a result we have these same people walking the streets of California. The homeless problem won't go away unless a way to eliminate homelessness is found. Unfortunately too many of the homeless are in need of the mental health services that were eliminated by Ronald Reagan. So, if someone wants to blame someone for the homeless, blame Ronald Reagan, that tin god Republicans worship.

If this is going to be a Christian nation, as republitards say, that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that he commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it.
 
2012-10-06 04:26:02 PM  

TheOther: smitty04:

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Why isn't your sign in Spanish?


Because the ad is not aimed at the actual illegal aliens. See, in Arizona they have a phenomena known as "The Mists of Pandering". The mists, just like any other in lore, harbor an ancient evil. Except that in these mists, the evil takes the form of angry old men sporting tricorn hats and carrying incomprehensible misspelled signs. These horrible semi-mindless ghouls tend to gather in large groups where moan loudly and gesture violently to everyone who passes by. Not too dangerous, but their ramblings often allude to the use of guns and usurping of the American government.
 
2012-10-06 04:28:42 PM  

randomjsa: Okay we'll let them live near you instead. How about that? I'm sure there's a suitable building fairly close to where you live. You can even work there. I'm sure you won't mind since you're so generous and kind with other peoples time and property, surely you are willing to deal with the old hungry people and the belligerent drunks creating health and sanitation problems all around where you live. That would be fine right?

Cut the crap. If you had to deal with the problems associated with a soup kitchen your bleeding little heart would fly right out the damn window in a hurry.

All the programs you can name have been tried and always have limited success. One of the most irritating things about liberals is their refusal to acknowledge that there are just some people who will not be helped because they will drain whatever resource you provide for as long as you will provide it. I already gave a solution to the 'old but not homeless' people. If that's your primary concern then I gave you the solution.


Yes, because housing for the mentally ill must be smack-dab in the middle of a neighborhood. It couldn't be built outside of town in a more country-like area. I know that prisons are generally in suburban neighborhoods in your world, too. That is because you want to come off as a hard-ass, instead you come off as an idiot, and that's just sad.
 
2012-10-06 04:35:36 PM  

retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.


Hopefully not to Newport Beach.

/Newport Beach home owner.

//92663 represent
 
2012-10-06 04:37:23 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: The difference between SoCal and NorCal has always amazed me. I used to live in SoCal and they're much more conservative, generally speaking, than the rest of us. It's true there are little pockets on both sides of the aisle scattered throughout the state, but how the people in SoCal react to something is vastly different than how we up here in Fogland react to it. Apparently in Smogland, the proper response to working poor, low income elderly and homeless is to destroy the safety net that is not costing local government a damn thing. I thought that's what the conservatives wanted. The government out of the charity business and for private charities and churches to care for the poor. I guess they lied.......


So are you saying it is conservatives who are farking over the homeless? Or politicians? FYI, one of the HUGE supports for homeless meals, job search and financial help is Rick Warren's Saddleback Church (you know, that ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE church down in Lake Forest....).

In my personal experience, I've found that it is the Orange County conservatives who are generally of greater help than the liberals. The latter just mouth platitudes and want us to go away from their pristine little neighborhoods. The former actually pony up help of one sort or another.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:34 PM  
You can't just lock a person in an institution. ACLU would never allow it.

Starting in the 1960s, there has been a worldwide trend toward moving psychiatric patients from hospital settings to less restricting settings in the community, a shift known as "deinstitutionalization." Because the shift was typically not accompanied by a commensurate development of community-based services, critics say that deinstitutionalization has led to large numbers of people who would once have been inpatients being incarcerated in jails and prisons or becoming homeless when outpatient services are not available or they choose not to adhere to treatment outside the hospital. In some jurisdictions, laws authorizing court-ordered outpatient treatment have been passed in an effort to compel individuals with chronic, untreated severe mental illness to accept treatment while living outside the hospital.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:51 PM  

retarded: They'll just self-deport to the next town down the road, nbd.


Actually, the cops have this little Transit game, where they can grab someone, bundle them into a car - WITHOUT THEIR STUFF - and drive them to the city border. Where they are transferred to another cop car from that city, which again drives to the next city border. This may happen a dozen times. I personally know one guy that was transited from Anaheim to Chula Vista. It took him three weeks to get back.
 
2012-10-06 04:44:17 PM  

mercator_psi: I live about 2 1/2 miles from Costa Mesa, so I am getting a kick etc.

A lot of OC is definitely right-leaning, but now there is finally a vocal minority of left-leaners to speak truth to power and make it be heard.

I lived in Bob "The Starfighters: MST3K EP 612" Dornan's district through my formative years. I (and we) got over it.



Stereotype much?
 
2012-10-06 04:46:16 PM  

whatsupchuck: The conservative mantra has long been to eliminate taxpayer funded assistance to the needy, because "private charities can handle it more efficiently." Eric Bever jumps the gun on part two of the plan, which is to outlaw the private charities. In a conservative utopia, all of the homeless will apparently be chased out into the desert to die as municipalities compete to be the most unhospitable to people in need. Nice, huh?


Your obvious political asshattery is not helpful.
 
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