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2012-10-06 12:34:46 PM  

skullkrusher: iaazathot: So the whackadoodles argue and argue that taking care of the poor should happen through private charities and organizations, and now they want to close those down too?

Nope, fark you assholes.

We have a lot of homeless in our little town, partially because we have a VA that is a mental health center. I have even had to almost get in a physical fight in my own office building with a homeless guy who wandered in the back door into our kitchen.

In no way would I suggest we shut down the services to them. That is sheer lunacy and political attention whoring.

no. This is a story about the Mayor of a single, small city in California.


Yes, because I have never heard other whackadoodles talk about how ridiculous it is that charities give to the poor.
 
2012-10-06 12:37:33 PM  
The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.
 
2012-10-06 12:39:07 PM  

badhatharry: The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.


Or you could, you know, leave the private charities alone?
 
2012-10-06 12:40:07 PM  

randomjsa: There are problems associated with soup kitchens. You have to acknowledge that and figure out a way to deal with the problem. One solution is, yes, shut it down but is that the best and only solution?


I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.
 
2012-10-06 12:40:35 PM  

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Why do you bother coming to Fark? The trolls are what makes it interesting.
 
2012-10-06 12:40:41 PM  

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


Suppose you're wrong. Then what?
 
2012-10-06 12:44:24 PM  
smitty04:

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Why isn't your sign in Spanish?
 
2012-10-06 12:44:44 PM  

Hobodeluxe: born_yesterday: Paul never said any of that shiat. Now go be celibate somewhere!

so you're rewriting the gospels now to fit your selfish ideology?


Why not? Worked for them!

To paraphrase Colbert, maybe it's time we just come out and admit we're not a Christian nation. I think it would be cathartic, what with the huge statues and altars to Mammon getting erected and all.

/And THAT solves your homeless problem
 
2012-10-06 12:44:55 PM  

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


Actually, he doesn't mention his political party. Costa Mesa is in a solidly Republican district, though.
 
2012-10-06 12:47:01 PM  

Hickory-smoked: I think the only place we differ is if closing down services is any kind of solution at all. I'd suggest that it isn't, and not simply because I'm not a sociopath.

Since we agree that there are social costs to a homeless population, we could try something that we haven't really had since 1972; a properly funded mental health care sector. We could also treat chemical addiction as a health issue rather than a criminal one. Combined with stricter enforcement of public disorder laws, those options would certainly be more efficient and cost-effective than just trying to brush people aside, though I would expect many Conservatives to reject them on philosophical grounds alone.



You have the answer and we'll get to it sooner or later if we plan on not being considered barbarians in 50 years or less. The problem right now is that in order to enforce public disorder more properly those that are doing the enforcement have to do so more from the perspective of treating people like people instead of criminals. It's hard enough to get cops to not kill a homeless person who is mentally ill or completely whacked out simply because the cop isn't getting his authoritarian hard-on dealing with a tripping retard.
 
2012-10-06 12:47:53 PM  

DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?


I would wonder what's going at the LA Times.
 
2012-10-06 12:48:54 PM  

thamike: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Actually, he doesn't mention his political party. Costa Mesa is in a solidly Republican district, though.


The City Council which appointed him (from among their own ranks) is majority Republican.

badhatharry: The solution is probably a government run soup kitchen costing twice as much. Pay no attention to the fact that it is run by a friend of the Mayor, thereby funneling milliions of tax dollars to his donor friend.


Do go on. Please. Continue.
 
2012-10-06 12:49:14 PM  
I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.
 
2012-10-06 12:49:33 PM  

badhatharry: DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?

I would wonder what's going on at the LA Times.

 
2012-10-06 12:50:15 PM  

badhatharry: DoctorCal: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

Suppose you're wrong. Then what?

I would wonder what's going at the LA Times.


And then you'll forget it, and continue to level your charges of media bias in the future.

It's called selection bias, and you're soaking in it.
 
2012-10-06 12:56:08 PM  

Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


Unfortunately, this.

Being able to successfully ask for money on the street is a talent that has little correlation with the actual desperate need being projected.
 
2012-10-06 12:56:43 PM  

born_yesterday: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Really bringing the A-game today.


"Eel" O'Brien, Rita Farr Dayton, Reed Richards, Ralph Dibney, and Helen Parr only wish that they could reach as far as skullcrusher does.
 
2012-10-06 12:59:13 PM  

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: The guy sounds like a douche who doesn't like seeing homeless around his precious South Coast Plaza district.

you like seeing homeless people? What are you some sort of sociopath?

Right - because that's exactly what Fart_Machine said. Did you strain something reaching for that one?

it was a joke so no, I didn't strain anything. Does it hurt to be so stupid?

Not as much as it hurts watching your lame attempts at jokes.

I took your joke seriously and now I feel silly so let us pretend it is your fault. that's always a convincing response.

something something Poe's law

That's another awesome refuge for idiots.


Oh look, you're being an obtuse coont and the world's shiattiest troll again, must be a day that ends in "y".
 
2012-10-06 01:02:42 PM  

DoctorCal: Nintenfreak: My manager at the Wal-mart I work at who shall remain nameless, Regina, yelled at the homeless Vietnamese woman who spends most of her day on the grassy lot adjacent our store.

The fark


I LOL'D
 
2012-10-06 01:04:10 PM  

Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


Working in Santa Monica, I had to deal with lots of eccentricity, but the laws I had to circumvent to feed the homeless (instead of giving money to random people) were weirder.
 
2012-10-06 01:05:09 PM  

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


His top priority when running for city council was keeping taxes low, he considered a Bush-supported attempt at Immigration reform "An affront to law-abiding Americans", and he is endorsed by the GOP in his current race.

Maybe, just maybe, your ideological blinders might be clouding things a bit.
 
2012-10-06 01:06:53 PM  

thamike: Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.

Working in Santa Monica, I had to deal with lots of eccentricity, but the laws I had to circumvent to feed the homeless (instead of giving money to random people) were weirder.


I assume you mean giving out food from your business? Because I usually just give the second half of my bagel away or something and it's as easy as just handing it to them.

Or is this a Santa Monica thing?
 
2012-10-06 01:09:17 PM  

Lunchlady: I can take pretty libby positions on some things but working in an area of LA known for "eccentric" characters has really made me lose any personal sympathy I might have had. I still do what I can to help organizations that aid the homeless, but I don't give money to people on the street. I'll gladly share food I'm not going to eat but you'd be surprised how many of them don't want it, only money.


I'm a libby too, and I also dislike just handing over cash, particularly when there's a degree of intimidation involved, such as blocking my access to an entrance or exit. I've decided to start buying a few of those local grocery store gift cards, in the smallest denomination (which is $10, I wish they had them in $5), and the next time I'm in that situation I'll give a grocery card. Sure, it could be traded "on the street" for cash, but hopefully a significant percentage of the recipients will decided it's simply less work to walk two blocks to the grocery store and buy something than it is to sell the card. (And No, they'd don't sell beer or wine in the grocery stores in this county.)
 
2012-10-06 01:09:55 PM  

randomjsa: It's not as simple as some of you like to make it.

Do you want to pay for a public park only to have it over run with homeless people? There are a lot of alcoholics, drug users, and mentally unstable people among the homeless, to say nothing of sanitation and other issues. The same thing goes for a public library. The point is that when you create a system of free meals, it doesn't just invite the people who are down on their luck and need to scrape by for awhile... It invites people who are perpetually homeless for lots of no so good reasons.

The other side of this is that they're not going away and if they're not in this spot they will be in another. What's the proper solution? Is the homeless shelter/soup kitchen really the best we can do? How can we solve the other problems associated with it if it is without shutting it down?


Serve soylent green in the homeless kitchen, and eventually there will be no more homeless.
 
2012-10-06 01:10:49 PM  

TheOther: smitty04:

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¿Why isn't your sign in Español?


For that matter, how did the photographer manage to position his camera so that the billboard mount was slightly off-angle from perfect perpendicularity to the camera focal plane, yet the billboard itself and all of its lettering is perfectly straight on, mapping exactly to the CCD pixel grid, and also completely avoid the CCD noise in both the white of the billboard background and the black of the lettering thereof, despite it being quite prevalent in the rest of the photo?
 
2012-10-06 01:11:21 PM  

Nemo's Brother: HakunaMatata: People in Orange County are self-important simpletons and assholes??? Say it aint so!

*eye roll*

Yes, many of the residents of that area believe that if you eliminate a treatment, the disease just magically goes away! They are THAT oblivious to anything other than themselves.

The liberal mindset at work. Anything that is not of government creation cannot and must not succeed.


Um, that's a government official (Republican, too) attacking a private charity, not a government solution.

I am not going to to hold you up as an example of the conservative mind at work because it's clear your mind is not working.
 
2012-10-06 01:15:31 PM  

COMALite J: TheOther: smitty04:

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¿Why isn't your sign in Español?

For that matter, how did the photographer manage to position his camera so that the billboard mount was slightly off-angle from perfect perpendicularity to the camera focal plane, yet the billboard itself and all of its lettering is perfectly straight on, mapping exactly to the CCD pixel grid, and also completely avoid the CCD noise in both the white of the billboard background and the black of the lettering thereof, despite it being quite prevalent in the rest of the photo?


The whiteness of the billboard keeps it perfect.
 
2012-10-06 01:16:59 PM  

Lunchlady: I assume you mean giving out food from your business? Because I usually just give the second half of my bagel away or something and it's as easy as just handing it to them.

Or is this a Santa Monica thing?


It's a Santa Monica thing in an enforcement sense, but yeah even if I was off work and not identifiable as a manager of a food retail outlet, if the food came from a business, we couldn't give it to them. We had to set up a secret drop system so the hungry could get leftovers and misfires. There's definitely a difference between the needy and the antagonistic drifters that hang around the Promenade, so i get that angle. However, this guy's talking about soup kitchens, which attract the same if not less the amount of riff raff that any city center does, and soup kitchens at least have an honest purpose. I think he's just trying to pay off some favors to the nouveau riche OC trash.
 
2012-10-06 01:17:06 PM  

kevinatilusa: badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.

His top priority when running for city council was keeping taxes low, he considered a Bush-supported attempt at Immigration reform "An affront to law-abiding Americans", and he is endorsed by the GOP in his current race.

Maybe, just maybe, your ideological blinders might be clouding things a bit.


I guess he is a Republican. I'm suprised that wasn't mentioned in the story. Good for them for not hammering the "Republicans hate the homeless" talking point.
 
2012-10-06 01:18:31 PM  
Well, I'm sure charities for the homeless are okay to this guy, as long as he doesn't actually have to lay his eyes upon those vermin. They lower property values, dontchaknow.
 
2012-10-06 01:19:27 PM  
Walking back the shrill tirade about corrupt motivation in 5...4...3...
 
2012-10-06 01:19:34 PM  

badhatharry: Good for them for not hammering the "Republicans hate the homeless" talking point.


Why bother? The Republicans take care of that themselves.
 
2012-10-06 01:20:44 PM  
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2012-10-06 01:21:20 PM  

badhatharry: Good for them for not hammering the "Republicans hate the homeless" talking point.


That would be like screaming and hollering that the sun will rise tomorrow. It goes without saying.
 
2012-10-06 01:22:03 PM  
It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?
 
2012-10-06 01:23:34 PM  

thamike: Lunchlady: I assume you mean giving out food from your business? Because I usually just give the second half of my bagel away or something and it's as easy as just handing it to them.

Or is this a Santa Monica thing?

It's a Santa Monica thing in an enforcement sense, but yeah even if I was off work and not identifiable as a manager of a food retail outlet, if the food came from a business, we couldn't give it to them. We had to set up a secret drop system so the hungry could get leftovers and misfires. There's definitely a difference between the needy and the antagonistic drifters that hang around the Promenade, so i get that angle. However, this guy's talking about soup kitchens, which attract the same if not less the amount of riff raff that any city center does, and soup kitchens at least have an honest purpose. I think he's just trying to pay off some favors to the nouveau riche OC trash.


I can understand the thought behind the regulation but it seems like it's punishing well-meaning businesses. For the record I don't work for a company that has anything to do with food and was really talking about personal food purchases but you have the potential to help a lot more people.

And in regards to this douche in Costa Mesa; there is no way this guy is expressing an opinion people in town don't largely share. Unfortunately unlike things like education funding or fixing roads homelessness is a problem that will ALWAYS be with humanity. You could give everyone a free house, a free car, and free food and there would still be some moron who wound up homeless by the end of the week. In lieu of a solution the best we can do as a society is slight mitigation and help those who truly have a desire to get back on their feet.
 
2012-10-06 01:24:34 PM  

birdboy2000: It's downright disgusting the way we treat the homeless in this country. Isn't losing your home bad enough? Do politicians really have to add insult to injury by going after charities which serve as people's last resort?


Dude, relax. There is going to be a government-run replacement, run by a fat-cat donor to the Republican mayor. I read it on Fark.
 
2012-10-06 01:25:29 PM  

DoctorCal: Walking back the shrill tirade about corrupt motivation in 5...4...3...


Not yet. Republicans are part of the government racket as well. These private charities are cutting into their action.
 
2012-10-06 01:28:16 PM  

Lunchlady: You could give everyone a free house, a free car, and free food and there would still be some moron who wound up homeless by the end of the week.


I really shouldn't have laughed at that.

/I'm rich, bee-atch!
 
2012-10-06 01:30:31 PM  

badhatharry: They don't mention his politcal party. He must be a Democrat.


I actually thought the mayor was probably a republican. I wonder.........who do you think he is going to vote for?

/hypothetical, of course
//someone had to ask....we were all thinking it
///yeah, I'm looking at you..... 0_o
 
2012-10-06 01:34:04 PM  

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Successful troll is successful.

Why do you bother coming to Fark? The trolls are what makes it interesting.


And for the record.....I wasn't trolling. I was responding to the troll. We've all done it. It's like getting punished for feeding the ducks.....we all do it but we don't all go to jail for it.

//must be because I'm blah (Now that's a troll)
///please turn sarcasm meter on.....it's a more amusing way to waste time.
 
2012-10-06 01:35:35 PM  
If you take away the social services the leaches of society will go to the next town to get their handouts. It's not like he's calling for eliminating services nationwide, he just wants them somewhere else.
 
2012-10-06 01:50:51 PM  
FTFA: The homeless population in Costa Mesa has been a stubborn political issue over the years, with some residents complaining that vagrants take over public facilities like Lions Park and the library in the heart of the city's downtown.

Shut your farking noise holes you ugly assholes. "I have to look at homeless people when I go to the library. There are people whose existence makes me feel uncomfortable, and I have to look at them in public places that everyone has free access to."
 
2012-10-06 01:56:36 PM  

Shaggy_C: he just wants them somewhere else.


And for that he deserves to be tarred and feathered.
 
2012-10-06 02:08:27 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Shaggy_C: he just wants them somewhere else.

And for that he deserves to be tarred and feathered.


no, just shunned.
 
2012-10-06 02:11:51 PM  

TV's Vinnie: What sort of inhuman piece of sh*t you must be if you hate the homeless and think up ways to brutalize them.


As usual, spot on.
 
2012-10-06 02:13:15 PM  

J Noble Daggett: Will he be closing a few hospitals to cure cancer?


You sound angry, beaver.
 
2012-10-06 02:13:27 PM  
Ok, I usually avoid this tab like the plague, but since I live about 1/4 mile down the street from the soup kitchen in question and pass it about 10 times a day, I'm weighing in on this one. Anyone who feels that the quite modest local homeless population here is an issue has never been to Santa Cruz or SF. I'd say here we have a population of maybe 35 - 50 folks, the vast majority of which make themselves scarce except at mealtime. I have never been acosted, panhandled, or offended by their presence in any way, even the rowdier hard drinking park campers aren't much of a nuisance. The majority camp down by the river in an undeveloped nature area and are no problem at all. Also, a large number of folks being fed are low income elderly from the residential center next door and not homeless at all. Anyway, I'm going down today to volunteer, being an out of work cook, and I imagine I'll be far from the only one.
 
2012-10-06 02:19:20 PM  

skullkrusher: Rashnu: Of course many people would seem to prefer we keep wasting that money rather than risk the moral hazard of encouraging people to become and remain schizophrenic street-dwelling alcoholics just for the sweet free housing.

rewarding societal uselessness is kinda icky too


It is, but it's also about compassion, even for the most worthless of us.

For instance, I feel kinda bad for Rmoney. He thought he was going to be president.
 
2012-10-06 02:20:08 PM  
Does the mayor have a collection of Ayn Rand's novels on his bookshelf?
 
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