Nappy Imus: This^, but it seems like a broken record, unfortunately. Been hearing such since I was a kid, and that was a long time ago. I wish it wasn't so, but this is the truth, sadly.
Fark Me To Tears: That's just f*cking ridiculous. I just paid $3.79 a gallon for mid-grade (89) here in Phoenix the other day.
Hoopy Frood: And only for poor people and the middle class until they all buy new cars. Which is like, what, a coupla weeks?
Gyrfalcon: Quasar: They went up 20 cents overnight. I'm sure this isn't just a gas industry money grab.It has to be some kind of price manipulation. Even if there was a refinery fire, even with pipeline issues, unless the fire burned down the tank farms at Carson and Benicia (which I know for a fact they didn't) there is NO WAY there is suddenly no gas. It's not like all the gasoline is gone or the ability to make more has vanished. This is gougers taking advantage of a possible shortage that might somehow occur sometime in the future someday.
beer4breakfast: snocone: beer4breakfast: snocone: The United States of America exports(sells at a PROFIT) more finished petrolium products that it consumes.There simply is no such thing as "dependance on foreign oil".The US imports ~10 million barrels of oil a day, a little under half of the total oil it uses. Just because some of the refined product can be sold and exported at a profit doesn't mean the US isn't dependent on foreign oil.Bullchit!/big>b>LinkAre you lying for a reason, or just misinformed?I'm afraid you're the one who's misinformed. You posted a link with a list of US liquid exports. Are you trying to say because there's a small amount of crude exported that means the US doesn't import any crude oil?From the same EIA source: "The United States relied on net imports (imports minus exports) for about 45% of the petroleum (crude oil and petroleum products) that we consumed in 2011."
johncb76006: They got to pay the price if they want to live in paradise. Just as long as they stay there and don't move here where gas is $3.52 a gallon.
Verzio: Fark Me To Tears: That's just f*cking ridiculous. I just paid $3.79 a gallon for mid-grade (89) here in Phoenix the other day.California has all sorts of specialized regional blend requirements that make it illegal to bring in gasoline from (for example) Phoenix to relieve shortages (except incidentally, in your own car's fuel tank). Operating a refinery is itself very complicated (and dangerous), and requires significant planning and careful, deliberate effort to change production volume, blends, et cetera; there's no safe or economical way to meet sudden shortages in production (like one caused by a refinery going offline because of a fire). This is especially true when they're in the middle of switching blends; they can't just reverse and make more of the summer stuff.So, any supply shocks in California can't be cushioned (in anything like the short term) by diverting supply from elsewhere, or by making more. So price goes up until demand matches supply.
Free Radical: A barrel of oil is $89.03.So how come gas is nearly 6 bucks a gallon in CA?Let's speculate on the answer...
TheSwizz: fluffy2097:We could fix internet congestion by making people pay a dollar a megabyte too.I mean, it'd be hard for a while, but only in the short term.I wasn't aware that bandwidth was a finite resource and once it was used it could never be replenished, which would cripple our world because we didn't have a backup plan in place.
TheSwizz: Gas prices need to go up and stay up. And I'm talking $7-8/gallon, at least. And it needs to be an overnight shift, a gradual increase isn't as hard of a sting. It's the only way we're going to have an attention span long enough to truly focus on an alternate means of propulsion. Yes it will suck, but only in the short term.
Gyrfalcon: This is gougers taking advantage of a possible shortage that might somehow occur sometime in the future someday.
Quasar: They went up 20 cents overnight. I'm sure this isn't just a gas industry money grab.
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