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(NYPost)   As a good employee, you point out health and safety concerns at one of the most security-conscious places in the world - the Sept. 11 memorial at the WTC. And what do you get? Fired   (nypost.com) divider line 33
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2012-10-06 12:04:22 AM
Disgruntled loser employees often pull the chains of health and safety concerns when everyone else gets sick of them and stops listening.
 
2012-10-06 12:26:24 AM
Sounds like the complaint about bacteria in the water should be easy enough to test.
 
2012-10-06 02:00:14 AM
this never would have happened before 9/11
 
2012-10-06 02:08:08 AM

knoxvelour: this never would have happened before 9/11


Because sept. 11 CHANGED EVERYTHING!!!
 
2012-10-06 02:15:12 AM
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2012-10-06 02:22:30 AM
Lacking in any kind of detail. Was this piece written on a post-it note?
 
2012-10-06 02:59:38 AM
Have a thoughtful suggestion = Get fired for undermining authority

hmmm...
 
2012-10-06 03:25:59 AM
FTFA: Thomas Cancelliere sued the National Sept. 11 Memorial and Museum on Friday. The New York memorial had no immediate response.

The museum, on the other hand, said "This guy's a f*cking nutcase!"

/personally, I never knew memorials and museums could talk...
//well, except for those pre-recorded self-guided tour thingies...
 
2012-10-06 03:30:29 AM
I remember a day not that long ago that required both sides of the story before it was published
 
2012-10-06 03:30:40 AM
If he didn't repeatedly point out that the whole thing is a waste of farking money then I don't care what he said.
 
2012-10-06 04:00:21 AM

UncleStumpy: I remember a day not that long ago that required both sides of the story before it was published


Except the other "side" of the story wont say anything while their might be a lawsuit pending .... LOL
 
2012-10-06 04:47:49 AM

namatad: Except the other "side" of the story wont say anything while their might be a lawsuit pending .... LOL


Not always true. Often you'll get a generic statement that the lawsuit is without merit.
 
2012-10-06 05:18:55 AM

Corvus: knoxvelour: this never would have happened before 9/11

Because sept. 11 CHANGED EVERYTHING!!!


But it literally wouldn't have happened. There would be no memorial.

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2012-10-06 05:33:33 AM
What evidence does he have other than coincidence that his firing was a retaliation? Also, I find it doubtful that they would fire him just for alerting them about savety concerns
 
2012-10-06 06:14:11 AM
FTA:
'He says that supervisors told him the issues weren't his responsibility or were being addressed, but that they weren't.'

Excellent use of the English language.
 
2012-10-06 06:43:23 AM
DNRTFA
DNRTFT

Most whistle-blowers are malcontents with an axe to grind. The issue that's being exposed may be valid, but the motivation of the whistle-blower himself is to cause disruption and basically piss in everyone's Cheerios.

This is why whistle-blowers get treated like coonts - they generally are.
 
2012-10-06 07:06:35 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also, I find it doubtful that they would fire him just for alerting them about savety concerns


When your tourist trap monument costs millions upon millions to make and upkeep, more then any other national landmark in the country, it does not behoove you to have people running around pointing out serious engineering flaws in it's construction, that would cost millions and millions more to repair.
 
2012-10-06 07:39:14 AM

fusillade762: Sounds like the complaint about bacteria in the water should be easy enough to test.


My thoughts exactly. Additionally, there are standards for how large openings should be in relation to the number of anticipated occupants, limits on occupants, and exit routes that are part of standard architectural design. Zoning laws, fire safety laws, etc. are all generally enforced during any new construction. Is this guy suggesting that this didn't occur or is he suggesting that he knows better than the law?
 
2012-10-06 09:35:15 AM
This reminds me of some stories I've heard about Microsoft. Dissenting opinion/new idea/not doing exactly what you're told? Demoted, reassigned, or fired. Come to think of it, that seems to be the way most large American companies are managed.

You don't want people to take on responsibility not explicitly spelled out in their job description? Okay, but don't be surprised when they fail to do something about some bozos who are trying to fly an airplane into a building.
 
2012-10-06 09:47:37 AM
Someone explain to me why this place has security tighter than an airport? Are The Terrorists (TM) going to come back and blow up the memorial? Well, not the memorial grounds, but past the entry and inside the memorial I guess.

This kind of thinking on security is stupid on so many levels. But hey, I guess someone's security company has to get paid!
 
2012-10-06 10:02:39 AM

cftc: Someone explain to me why this place has security tighter than an airport? Are The Terrorists (TM) going to come back and blow up the memorial? Well, not the memorial grounds, but past the entry and inside the memorial I guess.

This kind of thinking on security is stupid on so many levels. But hey, I guess someone's security company has to get paid!


they are going to sneak in and tear down the memorial and re-build the towers just to mess with Americans even more
 
2012-10-06 10:36:23 AM

bittermang: Corvus: knoxvelour: this never would have happened before 9/11Because sept. 11 CHANGED EVERYTHING!!!
But it literally wouldn't have happened. There would be no memorial.


So this guy owed his job to a tragedy and thousands of dead people. He should be ashamed of himself, and instead he's complaining. No wonder he got fired.
 
2012-10-06 10:37:03 AM

Mr. Right: fusillade762: Sounds like the complaint about bacteria in the water should be easy enough to test.

My thoughts exactly. Additionally, there are standards for how large openings should be in relation to the number of anticipated occupants, limits on occupants, and exit routes that are part of standard architectural design. Zoning laws, fire safety laws, etc. are all generally enforced during any new construction. Is this guy suggesting that this didn't occur or is he suggesting that he knows better than the law?


This is not standard architecture. I cannot imagine that the original design included armed guards and metal detectors as well as a security perimeter.

It's easy to test the water for disease, but what if the design itself is prone to causing it? Then you have to re design the entire system. It could run millions of dollars.
 
2012-10-06 10:41:32 AM
It's sad the amount of attention-whoring that goes on around this event. The public outrage over perceived slights. The bickering over control. The slobbering fealty of our politicians. The violent rape of our civil liberties and personal freedoms.

/but that's how post-9/11 America rolls

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2012-10-06 10:41:58 AM

UncleStumpy: I remember a day not that long ago that required both sides of the story before it was published


That day is still upon us.

/In most other articles, it's called "Equal Time for Nutjobs." -DC
 
2012-10-06 11:05:38 AM

cftc: Someone explain to me why this place has security tighter than an airport? Are The Terrorists (TM) going to come back and blow up the memorial? Well, not the memorial grounds, but past the entry and inside the memorial I guess.

This kind of thinking on security is stupid on so many levels. But hey, I guess someone's security company has to get paid!


Yea, I could agree on a little weapons check before you go into the museum. But when I visited last year I had to go thru airport check pat down security just to get into the area where the pools are. Overkill.
 
2012-10-06 11:30:00 AM

Mr. Ekshun: This reminds me of some stories I've heard about Microsoft. Dissenting opinion/new idea/not doing exactly what you're told? Demoted, reassigned, or fired. Come to think of it, that seems to be the way most large American companies are managed.


Having known many Microsoft insiders, I doubt that severely. At least in their heyday, dissent was not only encouraged but expected.

Many times, though, the loudest and most opinionated people are also the least productive or useful. I think it's a reaction to knowing you're not good at your job - some people realize they need to change, and they do. Others try to shift all blame to others for their own poor performance, and they get a million and one gripes to air at the company, their coworkers, etc. I see it in people I fire - no, I didn't fire you for speaking truth to power, I fired you for getting less than half of the work done of your peers, and doing it so badly that you actually accomplished negative work, because everyone else had to work harder to re-do the work you did.

When someone like that gets fired, the sense of victimhood certainly doesn't end - and they are the only ones who are allowed to tell their side of the story.
 
2012-10-06 12:04:09 PM
How exactly did he know the fountains are filled with disease-causing bacteria? Was the water in them stagnant?
 
2012-10-06 12:08:28 PM
Never forget the fundamental rules of the American workplace: Shut up and do as you're told. Keep your head down and make the numbers look good. Miss those, and it won't matter how many lives you save.
 
2012-10-06 01:50:35 PM

wambu: It's sad the amount of attention-whoring that goes on around this event. The public outrage over perceived slights. The bickering over control. The slobbering fealty of our politicians. The violent rape of our civil liberties and personal freedoms.

/but that's how post-9/11 America rolls


There are Grief-Junkies out there who don't want to fix what caused their grief, don't really want to comfort other grievers, just want to wallow in their grief as a sort of "oh, God, woe is me, pay attention to my grief" kind of thing. My friend's mom is a grief-junkie - she showed up after a mutual friend died in a car wreck with a casserole. Cool, thanks. The next day, another casserole, cool thanks... The next day, another casserole - "hey thanks, but leave us to grieve." The next day, another casserole: "look, stop this nonsense". And yup, another day of casserole met with "Hey, give it a rest, go home and leave us the fark alone." She never did understand what problem they had with her: "They're finally getting over it (after 5 days) because they're angry with the world. I helped."
 
2012-10-06 03:25:04 PM

LeGnome: Never forget the fundamental rules of the American workplace: Shut up and do as you're told. Keep your head down and make the numbers look good. Miss those, and it won't matter how many lives you save, you slave.


FTFY
 
2012-10-06 04:39:06 PM
Since when can supervisors fire a director???
 
2012-10-07 01:49:31 AM
TL:DR
 
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