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(Washington Post)   Not so fast, furious - The border patrol agent who died this week was apparently killed by friendly fire   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 83
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2012-10-05 05:25:29 PM  
so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-10-05 05:39:18 PM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Over in one!
 
2012-10-05 05:47:29 PM  
I'm sure it was a sponaneous response to "something".
 
2012-10-05 05:55:07 PM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


I was going to do that myself.

Sad he died, sad to try and make political hay from it.
 
2012-10-05 08:13:44 PM  
This is why I wait for further details before I make an opinion on something as hot button as the border. Waaay more complicated than people want to make it.
 
2012-10-05 08:49:45 PM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Impossible. We never supply weapons to people who then use them in an irresponsible manner.
 
2012-10-05 09:11:17 PM  
So you're saying the Border Patrol is quick to open fire? Sounds like something the GOP should approve of. I expect them to congratulate Obama on the death of this Border Patrol agent.
 
2012-10-05 09:21:44 PM  
It's a farkIN' COVERUP!!!!
 
2012-10-05 10:34:02 PM  
All part of Obama's plot to gin up support for his inevitable mass gun confiscation.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:04 PM  
The real question is how the fark does that even happen? I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?
 
2012-10-05 10:35:37 PM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Done in one... With 9 comments I thought I might get it first.
 
2012-10-05 10:35:47 PM  
Hoo boy, this thread should be fun.

*popcorn.gif*
 
2012-10-05 10:36:14 PM  
Doesn't matter who shot who, because the Mexican authorities have suspects under arrest anyways. Guilty until proven innocent.
 
2012-10-05 10:36:29 PM  
He was in Arizona, *friendly* fire is a myth.
 
2012-10-05 10:37:44 PM  

MFAWG: I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?


i295.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 10:39:20 PM  

BMFPitt: MFAWG: I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?

[i295.photobucket.com image 320x240]


It's a pretty basic skill that can be learned in a few hours and practiced on the job, so I think it's a fair assumption.
 
2012-10-05 10:39:50 PM  
Another valiant officer gunned down by the 0bingo regime.
 
2012-10-05 10:40:56 PM  
So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.
 
2012-10-05 10:42:03 PM  

Nadie_AZ: This is why I wait for further details before I make an opinion on something as hot button as the border. Waaay more complicated than people want to make it.


I'm really amazed by how little info has been released.
 
2012-10-05 10:44:15 PM  

violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: This is why I wait for further details before I make an opinion on something as hot button as the border. Waaay more complicated than people want to make it.

I'm really amazed by how little info has been released.


I suspect this was fairly clear early on, and they didn't want a REAL shiatstorm on their hands.
 
2012-10-05 10:50:52 PM  
No details on the injured man and if that was "friendly" fire as well. The Mexican police seems to have picked up two random people who happen to be in the area (no criminal background, no guns, no evidence) just to make the US happy, makes me wonder what this Boarder Patrol Agent was actually shooting at...other then his fellow officers.
 
2012-10-05 10:55:03 PM  
a4cgr.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 10:56:49 PM  

muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.


Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?
 
2012-10-05 11:00:04 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?


No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.
 
2012-10-05 11:02:49 PM  

violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: This is why I wait for further details before I make an opinion on something as hot button as the border. Waaay more complicated than people want to make it.

I'm really amazed by how little info has been released.


I heard a report that talked about how dark it was that night. Yet the moon was still pretty bright- being a few days after a full moon.

But yes, not a lot of information right now.
 
2012-10-05 11:07:06 PM  

dennysgod: No details on the injured man and if that was "friendly" fire as well. The Mexican police seems to have picked up two random people who happen to be in the area (no criminal background, no guns, no evidence) just to make the US happy, makes me wonder what this Boarder Patrol Agent was actually shooting at...other then his fellow officers.


Middle of the night, two cars come up on each other each responding to "intruders." One dumb ass starts shooting without verifying this targets, other dumb asses start firing back.
 
2012-10-05 11:08:21 PM  

muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.


so you really mean that Fast and Furious is OK?

I don't agree
 
2012-10-05 11:08:40 PM  
Radios are for chumps.
 
2012-10-05 11:08:54 PM  
0bummer! Moooochelle!! Fast and Furious! Solyndra!!
 
2012-10-05 11:11:37 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.

so you really mean that Fast and Furious is OK?

I don't agree


Elaborate.
 
2012-10-05 11:14:49 PM  

muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.

so you really mean that Fast and Furious is OK?

I don't agree

Elaborate.


*Threadjack*

I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

*end Threadjack*
 
2012-10-05 11:15:35 PM  

muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.

so you really mean that Fast and Furious is OK?

I don't agree

Elaborate.


What more do you need? I don't agree.

Try some reading comprehension sometime, you tool.
 
2012-10-05 11:22:37 PM  

muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.


Yeah, pretty much.

What a bizarre story.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:23 PM  
So preliminary findings (meaning they can't or don't want to say more at this time) indicate that it was a friendly fire incident. Okay, foolish enough. Still within the realm of possibility, especially if their preliminary findings include cartridges corresponding to the agent's weapons, depleted magazines in the agent's weapons, and an intact bullet or two to pull out of the dead agent and match to said weapons. However, the article confuses me with these two sentences,

"Ivie, 30, ( the deceased agent) a native of Utah, was responding to a sensor alarm in the desert 100 miles southeast of Tucson on Tuesday at the time of the shooting. At least two other agents were involved in the incident."

Were there two more agents than the dead one and the wounded one? Were they counting the wounded agent as one of two in addition to Ivie? Either way, how are these agents not already in custody or being questioned about the incident? Information not currently being released to the public possibly.

Is it just a poorly written paragraph?

I feel like Johnny 5. "Need more input!"
 
2012-10-05 11:27:48 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.

so you really mean that Fast and Furious is OK?

I don't agree

Elaborate.

What more do you need? I don't agree.

Try some reading comprehension sometime, you tool.


LOL! Touche.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:40 PM  

cryinoutloud: Yeah, pretty much.


You do realize one doesn't affect the other, right?
 
2012-10-05 11:34:10 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.


I've always found cherry tomatoes either turn to mush when halved or seriously run from a fork when whole, and have never been happy with the flavor in general.
 
2012-10-05 11:35:29 PM  

Nadie_AZ: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.

so you really mean that Fast and Furious is OK?

I don't agree

Elaborate.

*Threadjack*

I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

*end Threadjack*


Sounds good. Never tried those before. This year was my worst. All my tomatoes got blight. So I'm going to be making a lot of changes this coming year starting with, well, everything. That's the first time it has happened to me, and I wasn't pleased. I'm going to put out a list again in December for those who want seeds. I got a bunch of e-mails last week from people who want to participate, but didn't respond due to technical issues going on here(had to re-install windows and drivers, then later my modem took a crap). I will have to do that tomorrow to let them know they will be put on the request list. I got their messages. Last year the list was over 100 varieties available, this year i think it will be around 90. I'll also try to make it easier to understand. Last year i think I put too much information in it, and I think it overwhelmed many people.
 
2012-10-05 11:35:45 PM  

UsikFark: Nadie_AZ: I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

I've always found cherry tomatoes either turn to mush when halved or seriously run from a fork when whole, and have never been happy with the flavor in general.


I'm just excited I got them from seed. We'll see how they turn out.
 
2012-10-05 11:37:04 PM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Crap. Came here to do that.
 
2012-10-05 11:38:27 PM  

UsikFark: Nadie_AZ: I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

I've always found cherry tomatoes either turn to mush when halved or seriously run from a fork when whole, and have never been happy with the flavor in general.


They have their place. Excellent for salads or snacking. You aren't going to use them for cooking or slicing. Some varieties are also a lot better than others. If you're cutting them in half it tells me you may be using them wrong.
 
2012-10-05 11:39:24 PM  

muck4doo: UsikFark: Nadie_AZ: I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

I've always found cherry tomatoes either turn to mush when halved or seriously run from a fork when whole, and have never been happy with the flavor in general.

They have their place. Excellent for salads or snacking. You aren't going to use them for cooking or slicing. Some varieties are also a lot better than others. If you're cutting them in half it tells me you may be using them wrong.


Agreed. We have other varieties we transplanted that we'll use for other needs.
 
2012-10-05 11:44:24 PM  
Boom.
Head shot.
Sadly missing in action here.

Stop putting the booger hook on the bang button for a moment.
 
2012-10-05 11:49:51 PM  
that it's a question is what's at issue.

Maybe the obama admin shouldn't have restarted a failed bush admin policy.
 
2012-10-05 11:50:32 PM  

cryinoutloud: What a bizarre story.


yah
 
2012-10-05 11:51:20 PM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Should have been the headline.

/magnificent bastard
 
2012-10-05 11:58:35 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Another valiant officer gunned down by the 0bingo regime.

Lionel Mandrake: Another valiant officer gunned down by the 0bingo regime.



One moment they're valiant officers, the next they're jackbooted thugs of a statist regime.
 
2012-10-06 12:03:04 AM  

GAT_00: cryinoutloud: Yeah, pretty much.
You do realize one doesn't affect the other, right?


What? Isn't this thread about gun control or something? Guns should be controlled. Just look at this.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:24 AM  
What's the chances that the injured agent is dirty and this was a way for him to take out a witness to that?
 
2012-10-06 12:10:20 AM  

muck4doo: Lionel Mandrake: muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.

Yes, that's what everyone here is saying.

Is it tiring to make up shiat to feel persecuted about?

No, it's what I said. Try learning reading comprehension sometime, you tool.


OK.

No, nobody is saying this makes Fast & Furious okay.

Reading comprehension, you should try it sometime.
 
2012-10-06 12:20:26 AM  

muck4doo: So this makes Fast and Furious okay then.


No it doesn't.
 
2012-10-06 12:25:29 AM  
He was going to rat-fink on the cross-border bidness his co-workers were doing. Obvious.

Commie deserved it.
 
2012-10-06 12:28:37 AM  
How the fark did this turn into a thread about gardening? 

/insert Mexican joke here
 
2012-10-06 12:33:38 AM  

HotWingAgenda: How the fark did this turn into a thread about gardening?


Like most threads and gardens, it began by spreading around a lot of manure...
 
2012-10-06 12:36:40 AM  
Wait wait wait..... he's still dead right?

*cheers*
 
2012-10-06 12:54:27 AM  
annoytheleft.files.wordpress.com

You're doing a heckuva job dykey!

I guess the secret to job security in the democrat machine is being a fat ugly dyke and they can't get rid of you no matter how shiatty of a job you're doing. It worked for Donna Shalala, it's working for Hillary Clinton.

www.healthjournalism.org
 
2012-10-06 12:56:41 AM  
Seriously

You jump on a report out of an MSM rag [1] like the WaPo?? Really? (SNL) REALLY?

because it's not possible that someone out of the Obama Administration leaned on someone in the FBI who leaned on someone at the investigative level to "cast doubt" on the original report for the next 32 days?

Geez, drink that Kool-Aid Daily Crotchers.

[1] You do realize Stilson Hutchins formed the Washington Post to- and I quote - "advance the Democrat Party's power and position in national politics through every means available to this enterprise."

And that the Washington Post that called its polling an "in-kind contribution to the Mondale campaign."

Sure, sure. Get on that bandwagon. One of our guys did it.
 
2012-10-06 01:06:55 AM  
Gunrunner/F&F were bureaucratic responses in a war that has devolved into decadent posturing and more wasted deaths.

Nixon kicked off the conflict by closing the border. A week of checking each and every vehicle coming and going (Operation Intercept - not looking for hippies, just putting the screws to the Mexican economy) in order to force the Mexican Government into establishing a Federal Drug Police Organization. Since that time, 1972, just how many weapons have U.S. companies (usually being subsidized by U.S.gov) sold to the Federales (drug cops/Army)? I'll leave it to you to work out the quantity and take a guess about how much of that inventory has been `repurposed' I can't help but think that picking up a few hundred weapons/specialty items like .50cals is probably more a matter of convenience for those ambitious free marketeers South of the Border, than of necessity (productivity level achieved with machetes alone, if the `head' count is accurate, is impressive).

Until it is is considered immoral to sacrifice the life of any innocent citizen, in order to prevent the voluntary imbibing of any substance by another citizen --- well, guess we'll just get another 40 years of even more `melancholy accidents', and metastatic conniptions in our Southern neighbor's economy
 
2012-10-06 01:10:00 AM  
Oh, it was friendly fire. It was right neighborly!
 
2012-10-06 01:24:34 AM  

MFAWG: The real question is how the fark does that even happen? I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?


I've been out with Border Patrol agents in the desert in the dark. You can have all the training you can absorb and you'll still have a good chance of being disoriented because you can't see more than what's encompassed in the beam of a flashlight.
 
2012-10-06 01:38:28 AM  
OscarTamerz: [annoytheleft.files.wordpress.com image 800x566]

You're doing a heckuva job dykey!

I guess the secret to job security in the democrat machine is being a fat ugly dyke and they can't get rid of you no matter how shiatty of a job you're doing. It worked for Donna Shalala, it's working for Hillary Clinton.

[www.healthjournalism.org image 300x320]

0/10
 
2012-10-06 02:02:23 AM  

MFAWG: The real question is how the fark does that even happen? I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?


Murphy's Law can strike anyone at any time. Pat Tillman was killed by his own Ranger platoon. Richard Marcinko mentioned an incident where a member of SEAL Team Six was killed by friendly-fire during a room-clearing exercise with live ammo.

It could have been disorientation, miscommunication, lack of situational awareness, or the other guy merely stumbled and accidentally discharged a round.
 
Zon
2012-10-06 02:21:49 AM  
This world is terrible.

Read into that statement as deeply as you can, and you'll be partly correct.
 
2012-10-06 02:48:07 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Seriously

You jump on a report out of an MSM rag [1] like the WaPo?? Really? (SNL) REALLY?

because it's not possible that someone out of the Obama Administration leaned on someone in the FBI who leaned on someone at the investigative level to "cast doubt" on the original report for the next 32 days?

Geez, drink that Kool-Aid Daily Crotchers.

[1] You do realize Stilson Hutchins formed the Washington Post to- and I quote - "advance the Democrat Party's power and position in national politics through every means available to this enterprise."

And that the Washington Post that called its polling an "in-kind contribution to the Mondale campaign."

Sure, sure. Get on that bandwagon. One of our guys did it.


OMG NOW I DONT BELIEVE THIS STORY AND ONLY BELIEVE YOU...BECAUSE OF YOUR CONCISE FACTS AND AND AMAZING VERBOSITY
 
2012-10-06 02:54:37 AM  

Nadie_AZ: violentsalvation: Nadie_AZ: This is why I wait for further details before I make an opinion on something as hot button as the border. Waaay more complicated than people want to make it.

I'm really amazed by how little info has been released.

I heard a report that talked about how dark it was that night. Yet the moon was still pretty bright- being a few days after a full moon.

But yes, not a lot of information right now.


A lot of people are following the defensive partisan "done in one!" If it was friendly fire, we haven't been told what led them into that situation, other than a sensor being tripped. There is a lot of ignorance regarding what actually happens on the border. Those drugs don't just magically appear, they come across every night, through back yards and pastures.
 
2012-10-06 04:25:37 AM  

OnlyM3: Wait wait wait..... he's still dead right?

*cheers*


I like how it's okay that a Border Patrol officer was killed by a cop; and one thread up it's just terrible that a random kid was killed by a cop, btw.
 
2012-10-06 04:25:49 AM  

Nadie_AZ: I heard a report that talked about how dark it was that night. Yet the moon was still pretty bright- being a few days after a full moon.


At full moon the moon rises at sunset. The moon raises an hour later every night. So few days after sunset means the moon rises well after dark.

\Thinks not every cockup is worthy of political debate.
\\The president has as much to do with two groups of border patrol agents spanning out and shooting at each other on a dark desert night as the eastern bunny has to do with my balls itching.
 
2012-10-06 04:29:35 AM  
If it was 'friendly fire,' wouldn't his body have some way of rejecting the bullet?
 
2012-10-06 04:48:48 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Democrat Party


DRINK!
 
2012-10-06 04:49:57 AM  

UsikFark: Nadie_AZ: I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

I've always found cherry tomatoes either turn to mush when halved or seriously run from a fork when whole, and have never been happy with the flavor in general.


To jump on the threadjack bandwagon, I always considered cherry tomatoes to be finger food. From time to time I find someone used them in a stew or something, but it never occured to me to hunt a fresh one with a fork.

Am I committing major transgressions with my salad-eating ways?
 
2012-10-06 04:58:51 AM  

gibbon1: Nadie_AZ: I heard a report that talked about how dark it was that night. Yet the moon was still pretty bright- being a few days after a full moon.

At full moon the moon rises at sunset. The moon raises an hour later every night. So few days after sunset means the moon rises well after dark.

\Thinks not every cockup is worthy of political debate.
\\The president has as much to do with two groups of border patrol agents spanning out and shooting at each other on a dark desert night as the eastern bunny has to do with my balls itching.


Huh, we must have the same bunny.

\scratch scratch
\\we now know Obama wasn't distracted by Turkey/Syria during the debate but by personally setting up border agents to die in the desert
\\\truly the most effective evil overlord in the history of our nation
 
2012-10-06 05:04:26 AM  

BolloxReader: UsikFark: Nadie_AZ: I have grown some wild texas cherry tomatoes from seed (using composted soil only) and just transplanted them this morning. I'm pretty excited (got them from nativeseeds.org). Thought I'd let you know as I've you farkied as an organic tomato grower.

I've always found cherry tomatoes either turn to mush when halved or seriously run from a fork when whole, and have never been happy with the flavor in general.

To jump on the threadjack bandwagon, I always considered cherry tomatoes to be finger food. From time to time I find someone used them in a stew or something, but it never occured to me to hunt a fresh one with a fork.

Am I committing major transgressions with my salad-eating ways?


They are finger food. E-mail me, and I'll get you on the list in December for heirloom tomato seeds. I'll be sending response e-mails tomorrow.
 
2012-10-06 05:26:31 AM  
the pair have no prior criminal records and that it was unclear whether they were involved in the incident

paraffin? it's been around awhile... no? Ok.
 
2012-10-06 06:43:50 AM  

FlashHarry: so... you're saying he was killed by a US-supplied weapon? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE


Thread ended here...

gibbon1: The president has as much to do with two groups of border patrol agents spanning out and shooting at each other on a dark desert night as the eastern bunny has to do with my balls itching.


The president helps to set the policy on immigration, drugs and guns that leads to these incidents.
Just because he has ignored a war doesn't mean he won't own any bad news that comes from it.
 
2012-10-06 07:25:36 AM  

Sgt Otter: MFAWG: The real question is how the fark does that even happen? I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?

Murphy's Law can strike anyone at any time. Pat Tillman was killed by his own Ranger platoon. Richard Marcinko mentioned an incident where a member of SEAL Team Six was killed by friendly-fire during a room-clearing exercise with live ammo.

It could have been disorientation, miscommunication, lack of situational awareness, or the other guy merely stumbled and accidentally discharged a round.


The term 'friendly fire' really bugs me. Being killed is not a 'friendly' event.
 
2012-10-06 08:59:11 AM  

Nadie_AZ: This is why I wait for further details before I make an opinion on something as hot button as the border. Waaay more complicated than people want to make it.


No, projectile leaves barrel and strikes where the weapon was trained. No more complicated than any other crime scene. Crime, one that will be excused and should be but that is it. Just a shooting. And yes, I have been there, used to buy Tequila and Scotch there, drive from Sierra Vista, park, walk 100 feet and buy.

Even back in the day the park Rangers and BLM nazis were armed to the teeth, always been dangerous down there. Just fashionably dangerous now. I worked with the one of the part time coroner's assistants on our full time job. He told me all about what was going on, mid 80's; been back since then too.
 
2012-10-06 09:02:36 AM  

MFAWG: BMFPitt: MFAWG: I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?

[i295.photobucket.com image 320x240]

It's a pretty basic skill that can be learned in a few hours and practiced on the job, so I think it's a fair assumption.


Not in my experience. Not brain surgery though.
 
2012-10-06 09:02:46 AM  

signaljammer: If it was 'friendly fire,' wouldn't his body have some way of rejecting the bullet?


Depends if it was legitimate friendly fire or not.
 
2012-10-06 09:07:41 AM  
Gyrfalcon

>>> OnlyM3: Wait wait wait..... he's still dead right?
>>> *cheers*

I like how it's okay that a Border Patrol officer was killed by a cop; and one thread up it's just terrible that a random kid was killed by a cop, btw.

I haven't see that thread. But the rule is "The only good cop...." Well, in this thread 1 cop created 1 good cop.
 
2012-10-06 10:46:38 AM  
But ... but ... we can still find a way to blame the Mexicans, can't we?

Law enforcement officials said Friday that the pair have no prior criminal records and that it was unclear whether they were involved in the incident.

Good, it appears like we have some scapegoats in custody.
 
2012-10-06 11:25:22 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Sgt Otter: MFAWG: The real question is how the fark does that even happen? I'm assuming that guys that spend their lives patrolling the desert have some type of land nav training and can orient themselves?

Murphy's Law can strike anyone at any time. Pat Tillman was killed by his own Ranger platoon. Richard Marcinko mentioned an incident where a member of SEAL Team Six was killed by friendly-fire during a room-clearing exercise with live ammo.

It could have been disorientation, miscommunication, lack of situational awareness, or the other guy merely stumbled and accidentally discharged a round.

The term 'friendly fire' really bugs me. Being killed is not a 'friendly' event.


Corallary to Murphy's Law- Friendly fire isn't.
 
2012-10-06 07:36:02 PM  

Sgt Otter: or the other guy merely stumbled and accidentally discharged a round.


Can't be according to the "Experts" I have seen posting; the desert is a vast flat area without any rise or loose rock upon those rises.
 
2012-10-06 07:49:50 PM  
"Fast and furious" is a resurrected W. Bush era idea; except they figured out really quickly that they couldn't effectively track the weapons. The whole thing is recycled from Great Britain in the 70's; they used it to track the IRA. The only reason it worked then was the Brits worked with the Irish; now it might have worked if we had worked with Mexico, but we didn't and it didn't.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven; if I was paranoid, I'd say it was done with the intent of allowing Mexican cartels access to American guns. Why? So they could kill Americans with the guns of course.

/ wouldn't be the first time we funneled guns to a militant force.
 
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