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(Huffington Post)   Don't you hate it when a police car hits your son, killing him instantly, and six months later you receive a bill from the city for the dent in the hood of the car that killed him?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 51
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2012-10-05 05:27:02 PM
7 votes:
Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?
2012-10-05 08:08:19 PM
5 votes:
Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.
2012-10-05 06:34:40 PM
5 votes:
I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.
2012-10-05 08:55:27 PM
4 votes:

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


...allegedly caught stealing cobblestones

He wasn't tried nor convicted, and even if he had been, the death penalty wouldn't apply.
2012-10-05 08:46:52 PM
4 votes:
According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.
2012-10-05 07:30:39 PM
4 votes:

cman: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them



That's not always going to be true. The police don't get to throw hand grenades at people fleeing from them after allegedly committing property crimes -- and then blame the suspect for all the buildings and cars damaged in the blast areas. The cops don't get a "hot pursuit" license to joyfully destroy whatever they like or injure the public in the process. There will always be a proportionality limit.
2012-10-05 10:48:04 PM
3 votes:
Subby has strange concept of "instantly."
2012-10-05 10:02:13 PM
3 votes:
I'm calling bullshiat. No one steals cobblestones.
2012-10-05 09:44:56 PM
3 votes:

fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.


So according to the cops the guy somehow ran into a stationary car hard enough to put himself in a coma and then die.

That seems unlikely to say the least.
2012-10-06 12:04:34 AM
2 votes:
I'd send a letter back to the city containing the address of his burial plot, saying "His current address is enclosed -- go collect."
2012-10-05 11:47:26 PM
2 votes:
GOD I love this country some days.

Rich, white: Major securities fraud, no charges. Attempted rape: bargained to misdemeanor harassment of some sort or other, time served and community service. NOT EVEN A FINE.

Poor, white: Driving with a taillight out, cop low on drug bust quota = valuables & vehicle seized and sold without charges even being brought 'cause his dog wanted a treat & got excited. You get to go home, though.

Rich, black: Murder. Acquitted, but bankrupted by the experience so that you can get back to the ghetto where they prefer you stay.

Poor, black: Not only will they find some obscure reason to change petty theft into a felony, but you won't live long enough to be booked. Also, they're so scared of you that an unarmed hoodlum stealing unsecured, outdoor property and rendered comatose by police STILL NEEDS HANDCUFFS IN THE HOSPITAL. 'Cause, you know, we can't let these yard-ornament-stealing scum get away, now, can we?
2012-10-05 10:56:20 PM
2 votes:
According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

This is the best they can come up with It's like the cops aren't even trying any more.
2012-10-05 08:46:49 PM
2 votes:

timujin: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

Wait, wut? Untangle your panties, Sally, no one has said anything like that.

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them

2012-10-05 08:17:41 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: Robinson's mother says the city is ordering the family to pay $710 to pay for the damages on the very car that killed her 27-year-old son.

Why the fark is someone ELSE responsible for this guy's expenses? I mean, even if you think the decedent rightfully bears the costs for the damage to the vehicle, why is the NYPD asking the decedent's mother to pay for it?

Does the NYPD not understand that the decedent and his mother are two different people?
2012-10-05 06:08:36 PM
2 votes:

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Allegedly. And if it reaches the level of a felony, it must have been one hell of a lot of cobblestones. Or they were made out of gold.
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 06:05:08 PM
2 votes:
I was about to feel sympathetic until I read about the Sharpton rally.
2012-10-05 05:27:53 PM
2 votes:

DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?


clearly you're living in a pre-9/11 mentality.
2012-10-05 05:26:22 PM
2 votes:

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Allegedly.
2012-10-05 05:19:30 PM
2 votes:

cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Well unless he had a diamond pickaxe, it probably would've taken a couple hours to get the necessary materials for his scale model recreation of Hogwarts.

/What are we talking about?
2012-10-05 05:09:22 PM
2 votes:
1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?
2012-10-06 01:43:15 AM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.


Also, it's kind of surprising how many people would consider the deliberate use of deadly force to be justified by a non-violent crime, such as theft of farking stones off the street.
2012-10-06 01:13:40 AM
1 votes:
I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.
2012-10-06 12:21:37 AM
1 votes:
I did a quick look and didn't see this answer.. So... if the police can send the parents a bill for their son denting the hood, then perhaps the parents can send the police the bill for the medical services rendered due to them running into their son.. sounds fair to me.. either that or the police that was driving must allow the parent one free whack with a sledge hammer to the skull.... or 2.. 3...
2012-10-06 12:04:37 AM
1 votes:
ShannonKW
Well, if you happen to be stealing shiat just as those evil cops start to have problems, that would make you a victim of very poor timing.


I will accept a version of that reality.
2012-10-06 12:00:46 AM
1 votes:

coco ebert: In the movies the IAB always gets involved. You'd think the NYPD IAB would be running at full capacity, yet I never hear of them investigating sh*t.


"He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:"

-- T. J. & Co.
2012-10-06 12:00:03 AM
1 votes:
TommyymmoT,
It's not a felony. Try misdemeanor. Unless of course that stone was was worth more than $1000.
Besides, since when is simple theft a capital crime?
Apparently, in NYC, if you shoot a cop, you just go to jail for life.
But steal a brick? Get ready to meet your maker!


Keep in mind, when the trigger pull was too light, this was the police department that instead of finding a semi-auto with a an appropiate trigger pull, they simply altered the trigger pull on the glock.

Too me it suggests that keep your police force obedient, but don't worry about proper training. Just find a workaround.
2012-10-05 11:53:42 PM
1 votes:

steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.


Wait, I thought I put your ignorant, racist ass on ignore ages ago. Weird.
2012-10-05 11:48:35 PM
1 votes:

Thanks for the Meme-ries: DEMERIT!


First, I loved that game.

Second, unfortunately this will come down to a he-said-she-said thing, the witnesses vs the cops. And its unfortunate because the cops always win. I'm guessing it was a thing where the cops stopped just as he was running towards them. He likely bounced off and hit the pavement. A freak thing. The witnesses say the car was moving, the cops say otherwise. Doesn't matter what the truth is, the jury would take the cops' side. In no way did he deserve death for what he did; it was a horrible unfortunate accident.

Of course, none of the above excuses the bill. That's just damn stupid.
2012-10-05 11:41:00 PM
1 votes:
I don't see a justification for killing him over some cobblestones.
2012-10-05 11:33:38 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


Dude, this is Murika. I remember a video showing a couple teenagers grabbing some snacks and bolting out of a convenience store. The article was about how if the cashier had been armed this would have "ironed itself out then and there." The comments were a circle-jerk about how "If I'd have been shopping there and seen this, those punks would've gotten their snacks in the form of lead. Did I mention my dick is farking huge? It is, just in case you were wondering... about my huge dick.... it's farking huge."

Yeah, dumbasses. Arming every 3rd shift convenience store worker/meth addict with a loaded handgun and telling them to kill anyone, even if they're 12 years old, who they think is taking a pack of gum is a great idea.
2012-10-05 11:19:26 PM
1 votes:
FTA: "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly. Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma."

There is no farking way that any human being, even farking Usain Bolt, could move fast enough that running into a stopped object could not only knock them unconscious, but put then into a coma with irreversable brain damage. If he did run into the front of a stopped car, the front of that car would have come up to his pelvis, maybe mid-thigh... the brain ain't down there.

What's worse is that the police thought they could get away with what they did on an entire street of witnesses in daylight.
Lying sacks.
2012-10-05 11:16:49 PM
1 votes:
FTFA - "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly."

People always die running into cars.

A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.
2012-10-05 11:09:14 PM
1 votes:
When stealing cobblestones is illegal, only criminals will steal cobblestones.
2012-10-05 11:08:14 PM
1 votes:

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


============

Felony? Assuming that he was stealing cobble stones, how do you know it was a felony? In New York, theft of an item less than $250 dollars in value is petty larceny, a misdemeanor offense. Spitting on the sidewalk is a misdemeanor offense. Do you believe people should get the death penalty for spitting on the sidewalk?
2012-10-05 11:04:57 PM
1 votes:
The police's apparent claim that he ran over to the static police car, threw himself at the hood and hit his head so hard he died (in spite of many witnesses that they ran him down) doesn't bode well for their chances in court if the judge is sane.
2012-10-05 11:01:54 PM
1 votes:
Well, this is pretty goddamn stupid, but it's certainly not an actual cop who is responsible for this. It's some public servant who is getting paid too much to do a job that a high school graduate would be over-qualified for.

For fark's sake, in my line of work we have annual layoffs. Those layoffs tend to get a lot of under-performers, but even those who are doing well can still get the axe. So why the fark do government workers have so farking much job security while being able to perpetrate acts of pure retarditude such as this?

I'd try to get one of those jobs myself, but I'm pretty sure doing so would drive me to suicide...
2012-10-05 11:00:26 PM
1 votes:
Hey, I know a case for stealing cobblestones. Or at least some sort of paver.

The guys that stole my dad's wheels used cobblestones from a few blocks away to use as jackstands. Since they hit a few other trucks that night for the exact same OEM rims there was a sizeable dent in someone's retaining wall.

Of course, the cobblestone theft was handled by one detective, the wheels by another. About two weeks later the cops came by asking if they could have the stones back.
2012-10-05 10:55:03 PM
1 votes:
Heroes, the lot of them!

/Medals all around.
//Except you, you dented my cruiser.
2012-10-05 10:54:47 PM
1 votes:
In Detroit, a long time ago, the fine citizens would sometimes hurl heavy objects off of an overpass, down onto motorists on the area freeways.

So there's one reason to pry up cobblestones from the street.

There's also the general vandalism, destroying things for no good reason. Civic pride is kind of gone, not just in urban areas, but just about everywhere. It's like the opposite of civic pride is praised now, and what people feel they should do.
2012-10-05 10:52:04 PM
1 votes:
How the hell you get killed on your day off? What you stealin cobblestones for? You tryin to build a road?
2012-10-05 10:49:49 PM
1 votes:
True story: I got ran over when I was a kid, and as soon as I was released from the hospital the local PD tried to arrest me for causing property damage using my head to the driver's hood and windshield. Luckily the driver knew she was responsible, and generously told the police she wasn't pressing charges.

/getting a kick, etc.
2012-10-05 09:34:38 PM
1 votes:
He was obviously stoned.
2012-10-05 09:08:46 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


f*ck man, you catch someone stealing bread and you can rape 'em to death, then chop the body up and sell the organs to recover your losses. USA! USA! USA!
2012-10-05 09:05:51 PM
1 votes:
lemme guess - the dead kid is black and/or a minority.

*reads article*

yup. figures.
2012-10-05 08:51:05 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.


In the movies the IAB always gets involved. You'd think the NYPD IAB would be running at full capacity, yet I never hear of them investigating sh*t.
2012-10-05 08:39:23 PM
1 votes:

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


Wait, wut? Untangle your panties, Sally, no one has said anything like that.
2012-10-05 08:10:59 PM
1 votes:
MOAR TAX CUTS!!
2012-10-05 06:06:11 PM
1 votes:
A witness described the incident, claiming, "They hit him. He flew up and he came down. They backed the car up, and they told him to get up. People were yelling out their windows screaming at the cops, 'We saw what you did.' "

That sounds just like New York's Finest to me.
2012-10-05 06:04:06 PM
1 votes:

LockeOak: cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.

Considering that he was not convicted of a crime, the damage was assessed six months after he was dead and I doubt he had any estate to speak of, the police will be lucky to come out -$710.


Yeah. These things can get a bit confusing. Not Star Trek paradox style confusing, but close
2012-10-05 05:42:58 PM
1 votes:

cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.


Considering that he was not convicted of a crime, the damage was assessed six months after he was dead and I doubt he had any estate to speak of, the police will be lucky to come out -$710.
2012-10-05 05:30:15 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?


I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.
 
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