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(Huffington Post)   Don't you hate it when a police car hits your son, killing him instantly, and six months later you receive a bill from the city for the dent in the hood of the car that killed him?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 240
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2012-10-05 11:40:55 PM
Cobblestones??? Had all of the copper in the projects already been stolen?
 
2012-10-05 11:41:00 PM
I don't see a justification for killing him over some cobblestones.
 
2012-10-05 11:41:02 PM

Giltric: Were they Belgian Block (which people call cobblestone) or run of the mill cobblestones?

Maybe he thought the shiny bits were diamonds or silver and could be mined from the Belgian Block?


============

No one like a paving stone nerd, that's why the cool kids never invite you to their parties.
 
2012-10-05 11:42:00 PM
JungleBoogie
There's de facto guilt - factual guilt. And there's de jure guilt - legal guilt, guilt after the case has been adjudicated and the defendant found guilty.


You sound like an internet lawyer.

/Is this a defacto or an ex-defacoto case?

//Throw some more latin in there.
 
2012-10-05 11:42:07 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.



I will never respect Sharpton until he apologizes for Tawana Brawley. Which is a shame because he occasionally displays insight.
 
2012-10-05 11:42:51 PM
why is a cop pursuing someone at such a pace that he's negligent in his handling of his vehicle? so the guy allegedly stole a rock. is it worth driving wildly and risking innocents' lives?
 
2012-10-05 11:43:38 PM

cman: Who the fark steals cobblestones?


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-05 11:44:19 PM

Enemabag Jones: JungleBoogie .
I think being polite would be the best course of action. They have the weaponry, body armor and training to project force. I think I'd be all "Yes sir" / "No sir" and attempt to chill them out. They also have the legal right provided by society to shoot. There are some bad cops. But the best way to deal with a bad cop is not to go toe to toe, but be polite, smile, then report the incident to everyone from the media to the politicians to the attorney general. Getting loud or trying to physically dominate one is unlikely to be a successful tactic.

I smell a troll.


Does my suggestion really seem outlandish? I'd think my suggestion would be a no-brainer to a reasonably intelligent adult. I'm not saying bend over and smile and then forget it, I'm saying there's an effective way to deal with police misconduct and an ineffective way. I've seen video of grotesque police misconduct. Initially de-escalating, then pursuing the issue through every legal and social channel is the way to go.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:01 PM
*Insert anecdotal evidence of a police officer breaking traffic law and receiving no punishment here*

Bonus, he almost totaled MY truck.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:02 PM

cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


wilybadger.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 11:46:09 PM

justtray:

A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.


They were doing roadwork through your garden? or to build a walkway?
 
2012-10-05 11:46:17 PM
This thread is a repeat from 1789.
Reported.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:25 PM
Don't you hate it when a police car hits your sonyour son shoves his face into a police car's hood

FTFSubby.

/Dafuq am I reading?
 
2012-10-05 11:46:38 PM

Eponymous: Cobblestones??? Had all of the copper in the projects already been stolen?


Only in Cleveland

/nothing is obscure
 
2012-10-05 11:47:24 PM

Sunidesus: fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.

So according to the cops the guy somehow ran into a stationary car hard enough to put himself in a coma and then die.

That seems unlikely to say the least.


A couple years ago a car came up and shot a cop on a bicycle, no apparent reason, in Milwaukee. Then there was the guy who walked up to an officer sitting in her car and shot her in the side of her head about 7 years ago in Oakland. Both times everyone looked at me like I was crazy when I wasn't shocked at these events. As long as shiat like this keeps happening I won't be surprised when I hear about someone walking up and shooting some cop in cold blood. Mind you, I don't condone it, but I understand why someone might be driven to do such things. If this had been my kid I could certainly empathize with the sentiment that drove these people, especially after receiving that bill.

"Hey, we incurred some expenses while murdering your kid. We expect you to pay us back. We'd hate for something similar to happen in the near future. Thanks so much. You're local police department"

/To Protect And Serve
 
2012-10-05 11:47:26 PM
GOD I love this country some days.

Rich, white: Major securities fraud, no charges. Attempted rape: bargained to misdemeanor harassment of some sort or other, time served and community service. NOT EVEN A FINE.

Poor, white: Driving with a taillight out, cop low on drug bust quota = valuables & vehicle seized and sold without charges even being brought 'cause his dog wanted a treat & got excited. You get to go home, though.

Rich, black: Murder. Acquitted, but bankrupted by the experience so that you can get back to the ghetto where they prefer you stay.

Poor, black: Not only will they find some obscure reason to change petty theft into a felony, but you won't live long enough to be booked. Also, they're so scared of you that an unarmed hoodlum stealing unsecured, outdoor property and rendered comatose by police STILL NEEDS HANDCUFFS IN THE HOSPITAL. 'Cause, you know, we can't let these yard-ornament-stealing scum get away, now, can we?
 
2012-10-05 11:48:35 PM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: DEMERIT!


First, I loved that game.

Second, unfortunately this will come down to a he-said-she-said thing, the witnesses vs the cops. And its unfortunate because the cops always win. I'm guessing it was a thing where the cops stopped just as he was running towards them. He likely bounced off and hit the pavement. A freak thing. The witnesses say the car was moving, the cops say otherwise. Doesn't matter what the truth is, the jury would take the cops' side. In no way did he deserve death for what he did; it was a horrible unfortunate accident.

Of course, none of the above excuses the bill. That's just damn stupid.
 
2012-10-05 11:49:56 PM
45-year-old Laverne Dobbinson told The Daily News, "We're still grieving,

idiotflashback.files.wordpress.com


Shirley you must be joking?
 
2012-10-05 11:50:20 PM

Weaver95: lemme guess - the dead kid is black and/or a minority.

*reads article*

yup. figures.


You sound racist with that comment, why does the criminal have to be a minority?
 
2012-10-05 11:52:10 PM
I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.

He had good reason to move.
Apparently the cops in NYC will run you down with their cars if you don't get out of the way fast enough, then say you ran into them.
 
2012-10-05 11:53:18 PM
JungleBoogie ,
Does my suggestion really seem outlandish? I'd think my suggestion would be a no-brainer to a reasonably intelligent adult. I'm not saying bend over and smile and then forget it, I'm saying there's an effective way to deal with police misconduct and an ineffective way. I've seen video of grotesque police misconduct. Initially de-escalating, then pursuing the issue through every legal and social channel is the way to go.

The police dept I have dealt with has trained their training in getting desired behavior through tweaking psychological behavior..
For example, when pulled over for possibly speeding..."do you know how fast you were going...do you know how fast you were going...do you know how fast you were going...?" This is in a emotional manner that begs for escalation.
When an a safe response is uttered by that person, they give a ticket for 5-10 over instead of having to arrest them for more irresponsible driving since they probably don't have me on radar or would charge me as seriously as possible.

It just gets worst from there.

/I know you are not going to give me the benefit of the doubt since all of your previous posts suggest you are a troll.
 
2012-10-05 11:53:42 PM

steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.


Wait, I thought I put your ignorant, racist ass on ignore ages ago. Weird.
 
2012-10-05 11:55:28 PM

FlashHarry: wow, that's just farking insane.


It's not a felony. Try misdemeanor. Unless of course that stone was was worth more than $1000.
Besides, since when is simple theft a capital crime?

Apparently, in NYC, if you shoot a cop, you just go to jail for life.
But steal a brick? Get ready to meet your maker!
 
2012-10-05 11:55:51 PM

dennysgod: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.
This is the best they can come up with It's like the cops aren't even trying any more.


They know they don't have to, unless someone records them. And even then they get away with it.
 
2012-10-05 11:56:54 PM

Enemabag Jones: JungleBoogie
Chris Rock on how to avoid police beatdowns (video, 3:52 minutes, language)

What if, just what if...the cops are the ones starting the problems?


Well, if you happen to be stealing shiat just as those evil cops start to have problems, that would make you a victim of very poor timing.
 
2012-10-05 11:57:24 PM
Well shiat. Just RTFA and goddamn. I'm ok with 1/400000th of a penny of my tax dollars fixing that dent instead of the dead criminal's family paying for it.

Let me know when a Kennedy sets the Mall of America on fire and dies in a shootout or something
 
2012-10-05 11:57:34 PM
How shocking

electric-friends.com
 
2012-10-05 11:58:32 PM

evilbryan: I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.


Paging George Zimmerman to thread 7366654

/whatever happened to that douche anyway?
 
2012-10-05 11:59:55 PM

HotWingAgenda: True story: I got ran over when I was a kid, and as soon as I was released from the hospital the local PD tried to arrest me for causing property damage using my head to the driver's hood and windshield. Luckily the driver knew she was responsible, and generously told the police she wasn't pressing charges.

/getting a kick, etc.


Made up stories should at least be amusing.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:03 AM
TommyymmoT,
It's not a felony. Try misdemeanor. Unless of course that stone was was worth more than $1000.
Besides, since when is simple theft a capital crime?
Apparently, in NYC, if you shoot a cop, you just go to jail for life.
But steal a brick? Get ready to meet your maker!


Keep in mind, when the trigger pull was too light, this was the police department that instead of finding a semi-auto with a an appropiate trigger pull, they simply altered the trigger pull on the glock.

Too me it suggests that keep your police force obedient, but don't worry about proper training. Just find a workaround.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:46 AM

coco ebert: In the movies the IAB always gets involved. You'd think the NYPD IAB would be running at full capacity, yet I never hear of them investigating sh*t.


"He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:"

-- T. J. & Co.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:57 AM

rewind2846: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS SH*T RIGHT HERE.

You know this is sad when you have morans who think that a person deserves DEATH for (allegedly) stealing a THING, even if that thing is A FARKING PIECE OF ROCK.

/fark this country
//fark this planet
///fark this galaxy


Then let's call it "death by misadventure."
 
2012-10-06 12:02:03 AM

Hale-Bopp: I don't see a justification for killing him over some cobblestones.


He was killed because he ran from cops. They hate that, makes 'em work.
 
2012-10-06 12:04:34 AM
I'd send a letter back to the city containing the address of his burial plot, saying "His current address is enclosed -- go collect."
 
2012-10-06 12:04:37 AM
ShannonKW
Well, if you happen to be stealing shiat just as those evil cops start to have problems, that would make you a victim of very poor timing.


I will accept a version of that reality.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:12 AM

Ghastly: Is there some cobblestone black market that I am completely unaware of? I never thought I would read a sentence that contained the phrase "stealing cobblestones".


Yeah, first, where do you even FIND cobblestones to steal them, and second, where do you sell them at a high enough price to justify stealing them in the first place? At least stealing copper or aluminum I can understand, there's some kind of market for scrap metal; but I had no idea there was a market for scrap rock.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:18 AM

rewind2846: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS SH*T RIGHT HERE.

You know this is sad when you have morans who think that a person deserves DEATH for (allegedly) stealing a THING, even if that thing is A FARKING PIECE OF ROCK.

/fark this country
//fark this planet
///fark this galaxy


Separate from my opinion of this situation, i'm pretty sure most of these "morans" see it a bit different than you think they do. Its not that they are saying "he's stealing, he should be killed, diiiiiieeeee". Its more "I find it hard to get upset about the death of petty criminal low life scum that is unlikely to contribute to society... no real loss here". Is what i figure anyhow.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:38 AM

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


"I don't deserve this... to die like this. I was building a house."

"Deserve's got nothing to do with this."
 
2012-10-06 12:10:00 AM

Rindred: I'd send a letter back to the city containing the address of his burial plot, saying "His current address is enclosed -- go collect."


Then they'll drive a cruiser through his tombstone and REALLY rack up a bill... after they shoot a dog and shut down a little girl's lemonade stand. And taze an old woman.
 
2012-10-06 12:13:22 AM

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?
 
2012-10-06 12:16:03 AM
Gyrfalcon
Yeah, first, where do you even FIND cobblestones to steal them, and second, where do you sell them at a high enough price to justify stealing them in the first place? At least stealing copper or aluminum I can understand, there's some kind of market for scrap metal; but I had no idea there was a market for scrap rock.


That does ask the question...why would you run from the police for allegedly stealing cobblestones. I don't know the details, but everything suggests either very bad timing or a very enthusiastic police force.

Either way presentation of felony for PR purposes suggests something is strange.

/I would like to see meth-heads brought up on felony charges based on the repair costs of what they steal, but that might require actual detective work.
 
2012-10-06 12:21:37 AM
I did a quick look and didn't see this answer.. So... if the police can send the parents a bill for their son denting the hood, then perhaps the parents can send the police the bill for the medical services rendered due to them running into their son.. sounds fair to me.. either that or the police that was driving must allow the parent one free whack with a sledge hammer to the skull.... or 2.. 3...
 
2012-10-06 12:24:26 AM

scubamage: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?


I'm trying not to take sides in this asinine sub-debate; but fleeing lawful arrest is in itself a felony, you know.
 
2012-10-06 12:25:37 AM

ThatDarkFellow: How shocking

[electric-friends.com image 500x476]


I see someone choked on the huge, throbbing, gooey,

electric-friends.com

dick of racism.
 
2012-10-06 12:28:13 AM
This bears repeating: if you don't want the cops to kill you, stop being black! Geez....
 
2012-10-06 12:29:14 AM

rewind2846: There is no farking way that any human being, even farking Usain Bolt, could move fast enough that running into a stopped object could not only knock them unconscious, but put then into a coma with irreversable brain damage. If he did run into the front of a stopped car, the front of that car would have come up to his pelvis, maybe mid-thigh... the brain ain't down there.


Actually, it's totally possible for a healthy adult to die from a fall from ordinary standing height. You just have to hit your head just right on either the corner or something, or the ground. This actually happens from time to time.

That being said, it's really unlikely, and as far as legal defenses go it's on the level of "My identical twin did it". Those fine upstanding officers can just use the dash-cam video to exonerate themselves. It WAS on, wasn't it?
 
2012-10-06 12:31:48 AM

gaspode: The police's apparent claim that he ran over to the static police car, threw himself at the hood and hit his head so hard he died (in spite of many witnesses that they ran him down) doesn't bode well for their chances in court if the judge is sane.


Not to say that I believe the cops here, but actually it is possible, but I would rather think it would be the blow to the head when he hit the ground that could have killed him. You're a Kiwi, so you might remember that not too long ago someone in NZ died when a guy punched him and he hit his head on the ground in the fall.

I think people underestimate the force with which one's head can hit the ground in a simple fall, let alone one caused by a collision with another object (moving or otherwise). Your head doesn't have to be split open for a brain injury to kill you.

/Still doesn't mean the cops are being truthful
 
2012-10-06 12:32:53 AM
Gyrfalcon,
scubamage: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?
You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?
I'm trying not to take sides in this asinine sub-debate; but fleeing lawful arrest is in itself a felony, you know.


I can appreciate you have been on both sides of the law. I understand you to be a reasonable slightly slight right of center person in this regard.

I think we can agree that using a vehicle could be considered deadly force depending on circumstances.

This may be simply a fark-up on both sides, but can we please have the police chill the fark out for a minute on something that does not present imminent danger to the community?

/Speaking in NY terms, we don't want times square filled with hookers and muggers, but it does not have to be all Disney stores designed for tourists either.
 
2012-10-06 12:34:07 AM

whatshisname: evilbryan: I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.
Paging George Zimmerman to thread 7366654
/whatever happened to that douche anyway?


Getting ready for round two, when he goes on trial. it's gonna be epic.
 
2012-10-06 12:35:50 AM

VTGremlin: cman: I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.

What happens in the instance that they never find the body, but people are reasonably sure the person is dead? Can debtors still collect, or does it just fade away into the ether?


From what I understand, most debt dies with the debtor. The collectors can swipe anything in the estate (if there is one and if they're quick enough) and they can, theoretically, sue the surviving relatives in the same way an armed robbery victim can sue the gun manufacturer (i.e. they won't win unless they bribe the judge) but mostly all they can do is send a bill and hope people pay.

Thing is, if you've ever been in a thread about collection agencies you ALSO know that that method of fishing expedition works. Sometimes it works so well the collector can get money from debts that were already paid, because all they do is send a bill with a lot of scary-sounding language (little of which can be backed up legally) and people pay out of fear. Kind of like how the RIAA rolls.
 
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