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(Huffington Post)   Don't you hate it when a police car hits your son, killing him instantly, and six months later you receive a bill from the city for the dent in the hood of the car that killed him?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 240
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2012-10-05 05:05:27 PM  
wow, that's just farking insane.
 
2012-10-05 05:09:22 PM  
1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?
 
2012-10-05 05:10:11 PM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them

2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Fixt
 
2012-10-05 05:19:30 PM  

cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Well unless he had a diamond pickaxe, it probably would've taken a couple hours to get the necessary materials for his scale model recreation of Hogwarts.

/What are we talking about?
 
2012-10-05 05:24:27 PM  

scottydoesntknow: cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

Well unless he had a diamond pickaxe, it probably would've taken a couple hours to get the necessary materials for his scale model recreation of Hogwarts.

/What are we talking about?


The guy in TFA. Thats what he was stealing
 
2012-10-05 05:26:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

Well unless he had a diamond pickaxe, it probably would've taken a couple hours to get the necessary materials for his scale model recreation of Hogwarts.

/What are we talking about?


perhaps he was creating a minecraft structure in real life.
 
2012-10-05 05:26:22 PM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Allegedly.
 
2012-10-05 05:27:02 PM  
Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?
 
2012-10-05 05:27:53 PM  

DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?


clearly you're living in a pre-9/11 mentality.
 
2012-10-05 05:30:15 PM  

DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?


I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.
 
2012-10-05 05:42:58 PM  

cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.


Considering that he was not convicted of a crime, the damage was assessed six months after he was dead and I doubt he had any estate to speak of, the police will be lucky to come out -$710.
 
2012-10-05 06:04:06 PM  

LockeOak: cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.

Considering that he was not convicted of a crime, the damage was assessed six months after he was dead and I doubt he had any estate to speak of, the police will be lucky to come out -$710.


Yeah. These things can get a bit confusing. Not Star Trek paradox style confusing, but close
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 06:05:08 PM  
I was about to feel sympathetic until I read about the Sharpton rally.
 
2012-10-05 06:06:11 PM  
A witness described the incident, claiming, "They hit him. He flew up and he came down. They backed the car up, and they told him to get up. People were yelling out their windows screaming at the cops, 'We saw what you did.' "

That sounds just like New York's Finest to me.
 
2012-10-05 06:08:36 PM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


Allegedly. And if it reaches the level of a felony, it must have been one hell of a lot of cobblestones. Or they were made out of gold.
 
2012-10-05 06:34:40 PM  
I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.
 
2012-10-05 07:17:23 PM  

cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.



What was in the estate?

Besides cobblestones, I mean.
 
2012-10-05 07:30:39 PM  

cman: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them



That's not always going to be true. The police don't get to throw hand grenades at people fleeing from them after allegedly committing property crimes -- and then blame the suspect for all the buildings and cars damaged in the blast areas. The cops don't get a "hot pursuit" license to joyfully destroy whatever they like or injure the public in the process. There will always be a proportionality limit.
 
2012-10-05 07:41:48 PM  

ZAZ: I was about to feel sympathetic until I read about the Sharpton rally.


I felt exactly the same way.
 
2012-10-05 08:08:19 PM  
Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.
 
2012-10-05 08:10:59 PM  
MOAR TAX CUTS!!
 
2012-10-05 08:17:41 PM  
FTFA: Robinson's mother says the city is ordering the family to pay $710 to pay for the damages on the very car that killed her 27-year-old son.

Why the fark is someone ELSE responsible for this guy's expenses? I mean, even if you think the decedent rightfully bears the costs for the damage to the vehicle, why is the NYPD asking the decedent's mother to pay for it?

Does the NYPD not understand that the decedent and his mother are two different people?
 
2012-10-05 08:39:23 PM  

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


Wait, wut? Untangle your panties, Sally, no one has said anything like that.
 
2012-10-05 08:46:49 PM  

timujin: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

Wait, wut? Untangle your panties, Sally, no one has said anything like that.

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them

 
2012-10-05 08:46:52 PM  
According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.
 
2012-10-05 08:51:05 PM  

fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.


In the movies the IAB always gets involved. You'd think the NYPD IAB would be running at full capacity, yet I never hear of them investigating sh*t.
 
2012-10-05 08:55:27 PM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


...allegedly caught stealing cobblestones

He wasn't tried nor convicted, and even if he had been, the death penalty wouldn't apply.
 
2012-10-05 08:57:04 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

...allegedly caught stealing cobblestones

He wasn't tried nor convicted, and even if he had been, the death penalty wouldn't apply.


You are correct the death penalty wouldnt apply. If the officers had malice as their intent, they will be the ones on the hook. However, as it seems to be a freak accident, he gets all the blame
 
2012-10-05 09:05:09 PM  

cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

...allegedly caught stealing cobblestones

He wasn't tried nor convicted, and even if he had been, the death penalty wouldn't apply.

You are correct the death penalty wouldnt apply. If the officers had malice as their intent, they will be the ones on the hook. However, as it seems to be a freak accident, he gets all the blame


Again, he was allegedly caught stealing cobblestones.
 
2012-10-05 09:05:51 PM  
lemme guess - the dead kid is black and/or a minority.

*reads article*

yup. figures.
 
2012-10-05 09:08:46 PM  

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


f*ck man, you catch someone stealing bread and you can rape 'em to death, then chop the body up and sell the organs to recover your losses. USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-10-05 09:34:38 PM  
He was obviously stoned.
 
2012-10-05 09:44:56 PM  

fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.


So according to the cops the guy somehow ran into a stationary car hard enough to put himself in a coma and then die.

That seems unlikely to say the least.
 
2012-10-05 10:02:13 PM  
I'm calling bullshiat. No one steals cobblestones.
 
2012-10-05 10:42:42 PM  

fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.


The officer had his gun drawn, and the perp fell on to his bullets also has worked.
 
2012-10-05 10:46:23 PM  
I had a friend who was driving and some drunk woman walked into the side of his car. Fortunately, it was dirty and you could see where she made first contact around the door.
 
2012-10-05 10:47:15 PM  
Cobblestones are a hell of a drug...
 
2012-10-05 10:47:45 PM  

Introitus: I'm calling bullshiat. No one steals cobblestones.


O RLY?
 
2012-10-05 10:48:04 PM  
Subby has strange concept of "instantly."
 
2012-10-05 10:48:32 PM  

Ambivalence: I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.


Parents aren't culpable regardless. If the man's estate consists of two joints and a pair of Nikes, they can file against his estate all they want, they'll just end up pounding sand.
 
2012-10-05 10:49:23 PM  
love the comments

"Technically, those cars belong to us. Our taxes pay not only the salaries of the police, but we also buy the cars they drive. If anything, they should be forced to use cheap used vehicles to hit cars with, not $20,000+ vehicles. And now, they are going out and buying a whole new fleet. Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, Darts, Suburbans and other full size SUV's. Oh yeah, don't forget who gets to pay for the $100's of dollars in gas a day either. WE DO! Protect and Serve huh? Sounds more like they are protecting and serving themselves. ON OUR TAX DOLLARS. Then to recklessly hit other cars to make them stop and pin them so they can not get away. Don't forget, when they hit someone that person gets the charge of vehicular assault. Will there be any point when we stop letting them take any liberty they want simply because we "need" them. Yet another time to add to the list that the police have failed the people they are supposed to be helping. Making the mother pay, what a joke! "

20k car is expensive? shiat, let's make them drive Datsuns. Then, when they don't make it to your crackhouse in time to stop your boyfriend from slapping the shiat out of you, you can go on with even more outrage. I know, you'll get Reverend AL

Link
 
2012-10-05 10:49:26 PM  
The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.
 
2012-10-05 10:49:49 PM  
True story: I got ran over when I was a kid, and as soon as I was released from the hospital the local PD tried to arrest me for causing property damage using my head to the driver's hood and windshield. Luckily the driver knew she was responsible, and generously told the police she wasn't pressing charges.

/getting a kick, etc.
 
2012-10-05 10:49:55 PM  
Maybe he was going to peddle those cobblestones.

The man allegedly had some serous stones.

Good luck collecting.
 
2012-10-05 10:50:28 PM  
dont care for nyc cops at all but he was trying to evade them. if he had stopped and complied and was legit,he would likely still be alive today. he made a choice to run,and that caused his death. but billing his estate is kinda silly,gonna cost more to collect then they will get. a waste of tax dollars!
 
2012-10-05 10:51:42 PM  

steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.


Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.
 
2012-10-05 10:52:04 PM  
How the hell you get killed on your day off? What you stealin cobblestones for? You tryin to build a road?
 
2012-10-05 10:53:27 PM  
Is there some cobblestone black market that I am completely unaware of? I never thought I would read a sentence that contained the phrase "stealing cobblestones".
 
2012-10-05 10:54:47 PM  
In Detroit, a long time ago, the fine citizens would sometimes hurl heavy objects off of an overpass, down onto motorists on the area freeways.

So there's one reason to pry up cobblestones from the street.

There's also the general vandalism, destroying things for no good reason. Civic pride is kind of gone, not just in urban areas, but just about everywhere. It's like the opposite of civic pride is praised now, and what people feel they should do.
 
2012-10-05 10:55:03 PM  
Heroes, the lot of them!

/Medals all around.
//Except you, you dented my cruiser.
 
2012-10-05 10:55:08 PM  

cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.


As if I ever needed proof of the indisputable fact that you're a goddamn moron... 

You get color farkie because what you posted there is a special kind of farking stupid .
 
2012-10-05 10:56:20 PM  
According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

This is the best they can come up with It's like the cops aren't even trying any more.
 
2012-10-05 10:57:31 PM  

Ghastly: Is there some cobblestone black market that I am completely unaware of? I never thought I would read a sentence that contained the phrase "stealing cobblestones".


You're a bit offtopic We're talking less about the idiot accused of stealing cobblestone and more about the idiot who got hit by a cruiser without a conviction...
 
2012-10-05 10:58:12 PM  
These are the same bunch of fools looking to re-write gun laws (for the entire nation).

/what a zoo up there
//zoo
 
2012-10-05 10:58:59 PM  
When I read that I was thinking if it was my son. (If I was a father) "Ok, we'll pay for the damage to your car. Then, I'll fatally run over one person from your family. You can pay for the damage to my car, and then we'll call it even." Hopefully the grieving family can get a good chunk of money out of the police for their insensitivity instead.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:22 PM  

coco ebert: timujin: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

Wait, wut? Untangle your panties, Sally, no one has said anything like that.

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them


What is the point of quoting cman there? He's not saying anything about deserving to be killed for stealing. All he is talking about it legal culpability.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:26 PM  
Hey, I know a case for stealing cobblestones. Or at least some sort of paver.

The guys that stole my dad's wheels used cobblestones from a few blocks away to use as jackstands. Since they hit a few other trucks that night for the exact same OEM rims there was a sizeable dent in someone's retaining wall.

Of course, the cobblestone theft was handled by one detective, the wheels by another. About two weeks later the cops came by asking if they could have the stones back.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:38 PM  
So the kid lived at home and had the same address so they sent the bill to that house. The article says "they want my son to pay". The mom opened his mail and found the computerized bill and assumes the family is on the hook for the damage.
 
2012-10-05 11:01:34 PM  
I HATE cops but this guy is a CRIMINAL Fark him
 
2012-10-05 11:01:52 PM  

wildcardjack: The guys that stole my dad's wheels used cobblestones from a few blocks away to use as jackstands. Since they hit a few other trucks that night for the exact same OEM rims there was a sizeable dent in someone's retaining wall.


That never happened, did it?
 
2012-10-05 11:01:54 PM  
Well, this is pretty goddamn stupid, but it's certainly not an actual cop who is responsible for this. It's some public servant who is getting paid too much to do a job that a high school graduate would be over-qualified for.

For fark's sake, in my line of work we have annual layoffs. Those layoffs tend to get a lot of under-performers, but even those who are doing well can still get the axe. So why the fark do government workers have so farking much job security while being able to perpetrate acts of pure retarditude such as this?

I'd try to get one of those jobs myself, but I'm pretty sure doing so would drive me to suicide...
 
2012-10-05 11:03:01 PM  

dhuyd: When I read that I was thinking if it was my son. (If I was a father) "Ok, we'll pay for the damage to your car. Then, I'll fatally run over one person from your family. You can pay for the damage to my car, and then we'll call it even." Hopefully the grieving family can get a good chunk of money out of the police for their insensitivity instead.


I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have is a very mediocre car; a car I acquired last week on trade-in. A car that makes it a nightmare to commute to work. If you write off the cost of the hood, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for your son, I will find your son, and I will hit them with my ass car and bill you for it.
 
2012-10-05 11:03:37 PM  
Cobblestones theft and Hamburglar go hand in hand.

s10.postimage.org
 
2012-10-05 11:04:57 PM  
The police's apparent claim that he ran over to the static police car, threw himself at the hood and hit his head so hard he died (in spite of many witnesses that they ran him down) doesn't bode well for their chances in court if the judge is sane.
 
2012-10-05 11:05:32 PM  

LockeOak: cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.

Considering that he was not convicted of a crime, the damage was assessed six months after he was dead and I doubt he had any estate to speak of, the police will be lucky to come out -$710.


Considering he was accused of or allegedly stealing cobblestones (for cash exchange) he didn't have jacksh*t for an estate, mostly debt and unpaid child support. The police are trying an angle to be the victims of a possible intentional mohomcide.
/just a WAG
 
2012-10-05 11:08:14 PM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


============

Felony? Assuming that he was stealing cobble stones, how do you know it was a felony? In New York, theft of an item less than $250 dollars in value is petty larceny, a misdemeanor offense. Spitting on the sidewalk is a misdemeanor offense. Do you believe people should get the death penalty for spitting on the sidewalk?
 
2012-10-05 11:09:14 PM  
When stealing cobblestones is illegal, only criminals will steal cobblestones.
 
2012-10-05 11:11:13 PM  

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS SH*T RIGHT HERE.


You know this is sad when you have morans who think that a person deserves DEATH for (allegedly) stealing a THING, even if that thing is A FARKING PIECE OF ROCK.

/fark this country
//fark this planet
///fark this galaxy
 
2012-10-05 11:11:38 PM  
A couple of years after my mother died I got a phone call from some outfit claiming to be attempting to collect on her final medical bills.

I gave them the telephone number for the DFW National Cemetary.

Never heard from them again.
 
2012-10-05 11:13:58 PM  

legion_of_doo: In Detroit, a long time ago, the fine citizens would sometimes hurl heavy objects off of an overpass, down onto motorists on the area freeways.

So there's one reason to pry up cobblestones from the street.

There's also the general vandalism, destroying things for no good reason. Civic pride is kind of gone, not just in urban areas, but just about everywhere. It's like the opposite of civic pride is praised now, and what people feel they should do.


It's fun destroying shiat in urban ghettos. Making things shiattier is a blast.
 
2012-10-05 11:14:13 PM  
Karma is if a car hits the pothole where the cobblestones used to be and careens out of control and runs down the parents at the roadside vigil.
 
2012-10-05 11:14:38 PM  

ZAZ: I was about to feel sympathetic until I read about the Sharpton rally.


It's ok to still feel sympathetic, the Sharpton thing is a separate piece of it.

/Somebody died before his natural time. Ask not for whom the bell tolls....
 
2012-10-05 11:15:05 PM  
DEMERIT!

i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 11:16:01 PM  
So, he allegedly stole bricks, but another story says he had permission to take them. But if he had permission, why would he run from police?

/not enough hard facts
//Looking at his "gangsta" pic, I say guilty.
///because everyone is judged on looks.
 
2012-10-05 11:16:11 PM  
When is the family of the guy with the bullet hole in his temple while handcuffed in the police car receiving their bill for the bullet?
 
2012-10-05 11:16:37 PM  
Were they Belgian Block (which people call cobblestone) or run of the mill cobblestones?

Maybe he thought the shiny bits were diamonds or silver and could be mined from the Belgian Block?
 
2012-10-05 11:16:49 PM  
FTFA - "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly."

People always die running into cars.

A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.
 
2012-10-05 11:17:27 PM  
My friend once ran into a parked car after being chased by a loose dog.
/The dog felt his pain and just walked off to chase someone else
 
2012-10-05 11:17:48 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: wildcardjack: The guys that stole my dad's wheels used cobblestones from a few blocks away to use as jackstands. Since they hit a few other trucks that night for the exact same OEM rims there was a sizeable dent in someone's retaining wall.

That never happened, did it?


My dad wound up driving a rental Toyota minivan for a week waiting for the insurance company to come up with replacement wheels. He swore the speedometer was tweaked to lie by 5 mph after he drove past a "Your speed is" radar thingy and... That almost explains why so many farkers are doing 5 mph under the speed limit in the middle lane.

Yeah, I don't know why they were stealing the OEM rims from the Texas Edition Silverados. The retaining wall was at the intersection of Village Estates and Medina in Highland Village, but Google doesn't have a streetview of that area. Which is odd since they have most of Highland Village.
 
2012-10-05 11:19:26 PM  
FTA: "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly. Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma."

There is no farking way that any human being, even farking Usain Bolt, could move fast enough that running into a stopped object could not only knock them unconscious, but put then into a coma with irreversable brain damage. If he did run into the front of a stopped car, the front of that car would have come up to his pelvis, maybe mid-thigh... the brain ain't down there.

What's worse is that the police thought they could get away with what they did on an entire street of witnesses in daylight.
Lying sacks.
 
2012-10-05 11:20:49 PM  
Chris Rock on how to avoid police beatdowns  (video, 3:52 minutes, language)
 
2012-10-05 11:22:32 PM  
Fissile ,
Felony? Assuming that he was stealing cobble stones, how do you know it was a felony? In New York, theft of an item less than $250 dollars in value is petty larceny, a misdemeanor offense. Spitting on the sidewalk is a misdemeanor offense. Do you believe people should get the death penalty for spitting on the sidewalk?


Broken windows man. A misdemeanor offense needs to be handled or else it will be a felony next.

/Cops don't need to take any shiat from anyone.
 
2012-10-05 11:23:29 PM  

ReverendJasen: Ambivalence: I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.

Parents aren't culpable regardless. If the man's estate consists of two joints and a pair of Nikes, they can file against his estate all they want, they'll just end up pounding sand.


They probably DID file against the estate, and the writer or family is twisting it around to act like the bill's coming directly to them.
 
2012-10-05 11:23:29 PM  
Why, I expect this thread to light up like a bonfire. Plenty of vanities to be put on display as well, I expect.
 
2012-10-05 11:23:54 PM  
JungleBoogie
Chris Rock on how to avoid police beatdowns (video, 3:52 minutes, language)

What if, just what if...the cops are the ones starting the problems?
 
2012-10-05 11:25:07 PM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


(1) - Is theft of a $2 cobbelstone a felony?
(2) - He's not a felon until proved a felon (or midemeanor-doer) in a court of law.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:32 PM  

cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


College students steal concert blocks and milk crates
.
/Hell I found one concert block in front of my house and now use it with my fire starter to avoid burning my concrete
 
2012-10-05 11:28:45 PM  
FTFA:
45-year-old Laverne Dobbinson told The Daily News, "We're still grieving, and this is like a slap in the face. They want my son to pay for damage to the vehicle that killed him. It's crazy."

No, crazy is when your career-felon crotch-dropping causes law enforcement to dedicate part of their time to keep him from stealing shiat, and then causes more trouble by face-planting a parked police cruiser while blitzed on bath salts, and then the media gives you a chane to apologize/rationalize your son's lifetime of criminal activity, rather than than curb-stomping you into a matching coma, giving you an emergency on-the-spot ovarectomy, and then suing you for everything you have to make up for the generations-long parasitization your brood of cancers on society has caused the citizenry. That's crazy.

/the fact Sharpton is there on your side proves my side correct
 
2012-10-05 11:28:51 PM  

cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.


You are thinking in free society terms. The government has a monopoly on legal violence. It may collect from whomever it wants to collect from. Only a costly court battle may stop it. Maybe. but the courts are also the government so there's that too...
 
2012-10-05 11:31:16 PM  

Enemabag Jones: JungleBoogie
Chris Rock on how to avoid police beatdowns (video, 3:52 minutes, language)

What if, just what if...the cops are the ones starting the problems?


I think being polite would be the best course of action. They have the weaponry, body armor and training to project force. I think I'd be all "Yes sir" / "No sir" and attempt to chill them out. They also have the legal right provided by society to shoot. There are some bad cops. But the best way to deal with a bad cop is not to go toe to toe, but be polite, smile, then report the incident to everyone from the media to the politicians to the attorney general. Getting loud or trying to physically dominate one is unlikely to be a successful tactic.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:00 PM  

Sunidesus: fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.

So according to the cops the guy somehow ran into a stationary car hard enough to put himself in a coma and then die.

That seems unlikely to say the least.


Don't forget: He ran into it hard enough to dent it for over 700$ worth of damage.
Too bad this kid died; a powerhouse like that, he could have been some kind of olympic athlete...
 
2012-10-05 11:33:38 PM  

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


Dude, this is Murika. I remember a video showing a couple teenagers grabbing some snacks and bolting out of a convenience store. The article was about how if the cashier had been armed this would have "ironed itself out then and there." The comments were a circle-jerk about how "If I'd have been shopping there and seen this, those punks would've gotten their snacks in the form of lead. Did I mention my dick is farking huge? It is, just in case you were wondering... about my huge dick.... it's farking huge."

Yeah, dumbasses. Arming every 3rd shift convenience store worker/meth addict with a loaded handgun and telling them to kill anyone, even if they're 12 years old, who they think is taking a pack of gum is a great idea.
 
2012-10-05 11:33:52 PM  

AbbeySomeone: mohomcide


What's a mohom, and why would you kill one?
 
2012-10-05 11:34:21 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: /Hell I found one concert block in front of my house and now use it with my fire starter to avoid burning my concrete


Que?
 
2012-10-05 11:35:38 PM  
JungleBoogie .
I think being polite would be the best course of action. They have the weaponry, body armor and training to project force. I think I'd be all "Yes sir" / "No sir" and attempt to chill them out. They also have the legal right provided by society to shoot. There are some bad cops. But the best way to deal with a bad cop is not to go toe to toe, but be polite, smile, then report the incident to everyone from the media to the politicians to the attorney general. Getting loud or trying to physically dominate one is unlikely to be a successful tactic.


I smell a troll.
 
2012-10-05 11:36:18 PM  
It's crazy getting killed in a cobblestone caper by the coppers
 
2012-10-05 11:37:25 PM  

SirHolo: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

(1) - Is theft of a $2 cobbelstone a felony?
(2) - He's not a felon until proved a felon (or midemeanor-doer) in a court of law.


There's de facto guilt - factual guilt. And there's de jure guilt - legal guilt, guilt after the case has been adjudicated and the defendant found guilty.

One can be de facto guilty without being de jure guilty. See mob bosses or OJ Simpson.
 
2012-10-05 11:37:58 PM  

cman: I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.


What happens in the instance that they never find the body, but people are reasonably sure the person is dead? Can debtors still collect, or does it just fade away into the ether?
 
2012-10-05 11:39:49 PM  

cretinbob: fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.

The officer had his gun drawn, and the perp fell on to his bullets also has worked.


Just like the Rodney King "Magic Baton" theory.
 
2012-10-05 11:40:28 PM  

VTGremlin: What happens in the instance that they never find the body, but people are reasonably sure the person is dead? Can debtors still collect, or does it just fade away into the ether?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_absentia
 
2012-10-05 11:40:55 PM  
Cobblestones??? Had all of the copper in the projects already been stolen?
 
2012-10-05 11:41:00 PM  
I don't see a justification for killing him over some cobblestones.
 
2012-10-05 11:41:02 PM  

Giltric: Were they Belgian Block (which people call cobblestone) or run of the mill cobblestones?

Maybe he thought the shiny bits were diamonds or silver and could be mined from the Belgian Block?


============

No one like a paving stone nerd, that's why the cool kids never invite you to their parties.
 
2012-10-05 11:42:00 PM  
JungleBoogie
There's de facto guilt - factual guilt. And there's de jure guilt - legal guilt, guilt after the case has been adjudicated and the defendant found guilty.


You sound like an internet lawyer.

/Is this a defacto or an ex-defacoto case?

//Throw some more latin in there.
 
2012-10-05 11:42:07 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.



I will never respect Sharpton until he apologizes for Tawana Brawley. Which is a shame because he occasionally displays insight.
 
2012-10-05 11:42:51 PM  
why is a cop pursuing someone at such a pace that he's negligent in his handling of his vehicle? so the guy allegedly stole a rock. is it worth driving wildly and risking innocents' lives?
 
2012-10-05 11:43:38 PM  

cman: Who the fark steals cobblestones?


t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-05 11:44:19 PM  

Enemabag Jones: JungleBoogie .
I think being polite would be the best course of action. They have the weaponry, body armor and training to project force. I think I'd be all "Yes sir" / "No sir" and attempt to chill them out. They also have the legal right provided by society to shoot. There are some bad cops. But the best way to deal with a bad cop is not to go toe to toe, but be polite, smile, then report the incident to everyone from the media to the politicians to the attorney general. Getting loud or trying to physically dominate one is unlikely to be a successful tactic.

I smell a troll.


Does my suggestion really seem outlandish? I'd think my suggestion would be a no-brainer to a reasonably intelligent adult. I'm not saying bend over and smile and then forget it, I'm saying there's an effective way to deal with police misconduct and an ineffective way. I've seen video of grotesque police misconduct. Initially de-escalating, then pursuing the issue through every legal and social channel is the way to go.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:01 PM  
*Insert anecdotal evidence of a police officer breaking traffic law and receiving no punishment here*

Bonus, he almost totaled MY truck.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:02 PM  

cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


wilybadger.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 11:46:09 PM  

justtray:

A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.


They were doing roadwork through your garden? or to build a walkway?
 
2012-10-05 11:46:17 PM  
This thread is a repeat from 1789.
Reported.
 
2012-10-05 11:46:25 PM  
Don't you hate it when a police car hits your sonyour son shoves his face into a police car's hood

FTFSubby.

/Dafuq am I reading?
 
2012-10-05 11:46:38 PM  

Eponymous: Cobblestones??? Had all of the copper in the projects already been stolen?


Only in Cleveland

/nothing is obscure
 
2012-10-05 11:47:24 PM  

Sunidesus: fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.

So according to the cops the guy somehow ran into a stationary car hard enough to put himself in a coma and then die.

That seems unlikely to say the least.


A couple years ago a car came up and shot a cop on a bicycle, no apparent reason, in Milwaukee. Then there was the guy who walked up to an officer sitting in her car and shot her in the side of her head about 7 years ago in Oakland. Both times everyone looked at me like I was crazy when I wasn't shocked at these events. As long as shiat like this keeps happening I won't be surprised when I hear about someone walking up and shooting some cop in cold blood. Mind you, I don't condone it, but I understand why someone might be driven to do such things. If this had been my kid I could certainly empathize with the sentiment that drove these people, especially after receiving that bill.

"Hey, we incurred some expenses while murdering your kid. We expect you to pay us back. We'd hate for something similar to happen in the near future. Thanks so much. You're local police department"

/To Protect And Serve
 
2012-10-05 11:47:26 PM  
GOD I love this country some days.

Rich, white: Major securities fraud, no charges. Attempted rape: bargained to misdemeanor harassment of some sort or other, time served and community service. NOT EVEN A FINE.

Poor, white: Driving with a taillight out, cop low on drug bust quota = valuables & vehicle seized and sold without charges even being brought 'cause his dog wanted a treat & got excited. You get to go home, though.

Rich, black: Murder. Acquitted, but bankrupted by the experience so that you can get back to the ghetto where they prefer you stay.

Poor, black: Not only will they find some obscure reason to change petty theft into a felony, but you won't live long enough to be booked. Also, they're so scared of you that an unarmed hoodlum stealing unsecured, outdoor property and rendered comatose by police STILL NEEDS HANDCUFFS IN THE HOSPITAL. 'Cause, you know, we can't let these yard-ornament-stealing scum get away, now, can we?
 
2012-10-05 11:48:35 PM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: DEMERIT!


First, I loved that game.

Second, unfortunately this will come down to a he-said-she-said thing, the witnesses vs the cops. And its unfortunate because the cops always win. I'm guessing it was a thing where the cops stopped just as he was running towards them. He likely bounced off and hit the pavement. A freak thing. The witnesses say the car was moving, the cops say otherwise. Doesn't matter what the truth is, the jury would take the cops' side. In no way did he deserve death for what he did; it was a horrible unfortunate accident.

Of course, none of the above excuses the bill. That's just damn stupid.
 
2012-10-05 11:49:56 PM  
45-year-old Laverne Dobbinson told The Daily News, "We're still grieving,

idiotflashback.files.wordpress.com


Shirley you must be joking?
 
2012-10-05 11:50:20 PM  

Weaver95: lemme guess - the dead kid is black and/or a minority.

*reads article*

yup. figures.


You sound racist with that comment, why does the criminal have to be a minority?
 
2012-10-05 11:52:10 PM  
I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.

He had good reason to move.
Apparently the cops in NYC will run you down with their cars if you don't get out of the way fast enough, then say you ran into them.
 
2012-10-05 11:53:18 PM  
JungleBoogie ,
Does my suggestion really seem outlandish? I'd think my suggestion would be a no-brainer to a reasonably intelligent adult. I'm not saying bend over and smile and then forget it, I'm saying there's an effective way to deal with police misconduct and an ineffective way. I've seen video of grotesque police misconduct. Initially de-escalating, then pursuing the issue through every legal and social channel is the way to go.

The police dept I have dealt with has trained their training in getting desired behavior through tweaking psychological behavior..
For example, when pulled over for possibly speeding..."do you know how fast you were going...do you know how fast you were going...do you know how fast you were going...?" This is in a emotional manner that begs for escalation.
When an a safe response is uttered by that person, they give a ticket for 5-10 over instead of having to arrest them for more irresponsible driving since they probably don't have me on radar or would charge me as seriously as possible.

It just gets worst from there.

/I know you are not going to give me the benefit of the doubt since all of your previous posts suggest you are a troll.
 
2012-10-05 11:53:42 PM  

steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.


Wait, I thought I put your ignorant, racist ass on ignore ages ago. Weird.
 
2012-10-05 11:55:28 PM  

FlashHarry: wow, that's just farking insane.


It's not a felony. Try misdemeanor. Unless of course that stone was was worth more than $1000.
Besides, since when is simple theft a capital crime?

Apparently, in NYC, if you shoot a cop, you just go to jail for life.
But steal a brick? Get ready to meet your maker!
 
2012-10-05 11:55:51 PM  

dennysgod: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.
This is the best they can come up with It's like the cops aren't even trying any more.


They know they don't have to, unless someone records them. And even then they get away with it.
 
2012-10-05 11:56:54 PM  

Enemabag Jones: JungleBoogie
Chris Rock on how to avoid police beatdowns (video, 3:52 minutes, language)

What if, just what if...the cops are the ones starting the problems?


Well, if you happen to be stealing shiat just as those evil cops start to have problems, that would make you a victim of very poor timing.
 
2012-10-05 11:57:24 PM  
Well shiat. Just RTFA and goddamn. I'm ok with 1/400000th of a penny of my tax dollars fixing that dent instead of the dead criminal's family paying for it.

Let me know when a Kennedy sets the Mall of America on fire and dies in a shootout or something
 
2012-10-05 11:57:34 PM  
How shocking

electric-friends.com
 
2012-10-05 11:58:32 PM  

evilbryan: I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.


Paging George Zimmerman to thread 7366654

/whatever happened to that douche anyway?
 
2012-10-05 11:59:55 PM  

HotWingAgenda: True story: I got ran over when I was a kid, and as soon as I was released from the hospital the local PD tried to arrest me for causing property damage using my head to the driver's hood and windshield. Luckily the driver knew she was responsible, and generously told the police she wasn't pressing charges.

/getting a kick, etc.


Made up stories should at least be amusing.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:03 AM  
TommyymmoT,
It's not a felony. Try misdemeanor. Unless of course that stone was was worth more than $1000.
Besides, since when is simple theft a capital crime?
Apparently, in NYC, if you shoot a cop, you just go to jail for life.
But steal a brick? Get ready to meet your maker!


Keep in mind, when the trigger pull was too light, this was the police department that instead of finding a semi-auto with a an appropiate trigger pull, they simply altered the trigger pull on the glock.

Too me it suggests that keep your police force obedient, but don't worry about proper training. Just find a workaround.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:46 AM  

coco ebert: In the movies the IAB always gets involved. You'd think the NYPD IAB would be running at full capacity, yet I never hear of them investigating sh*t.


"He has combined with others to subject us to a Jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by our Laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large Bodies of Armed Troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from Punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:"

-- T. J. & Co.
 
2012-10-06 12:00:57 AM  

rewind2846: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS SH*T RIGHT HERE.

You know this is sad when you have morans who think that a person deserves DEATH for (allegedly) stealing a THING, even if that thing is A FARKING PIECE OF ROCK.

/fark this country
//fark this planet
///fark this galaxy


Then let's call it "death by misadventure."
 
2012-10-06 12:02:03 AM  

Hale-Bopp: I don't see a justification for killing him over some cobblestones.


He was killed because he ran from cops. They hate that, makes 'em work.
 
2012-10-06 12:04:34 AM  
I'd send a letter back to the city containing the address of his burial plot, saying "His current address is enclosed -- go collect."
 
2012-10-06 12:04:37 AM  
ShannonKW
Well, if you happen to be stealing shiat just as those evil cops start to have problems, that would make you a victim of very poor timing.


I will accept a version of that reality.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:12 AM  

Ghastly: Is there some cobblestone black market that I am completely unaware of? I never thought I would read a sentence that contained the phrase "stealing cobblestones".


Yeah, first, where do you even FIND cobblestones to steal them, and second, where do you sell them at a high enough price to justify stealing them in the first place? At least stealing copper or aluminum I can understand, there's some kind of market for scrap metal; but I had no idea there was a market for scrap rock.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:18 AM  

rewind2846: coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
THIS SH*T RIGHT HERE.

You know this is sad when you have morans who think that a person deserves DEATH for (allegedly) stealing a THING, even if that thing is A FARKING PIECE OF ROCK.

/fark this country
//fark this planet
///fark this galaxy


Separate from my opinion of this situation, i'm pretty sure most of these "morans" see it a bit different than you think they do. Its not that they are saying "he's stealing, he should be killed, diiiiiieeeee". Its more "I find it hard to get upset about the death of petty criminal low life scum that is unlikely to contribute to society... no real loss here". Is what i figure anyhow.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:38 AM  

coco ebert: Really? People think someone stealing some cobblestones deserves to be killed? Y'all got some problems.


"I don't deserve this... to die like this. I was building a house."

"Deserve's got nothing to do with this."
 
2012-10-06 12:10:00 AM  

Rindred: I'd send a letter back to the city containing the address of his burial plot, saying "His current address is enclosed -- go collect."


Then they'll drive a cruiser through his tombstone and REALLY rack up a bill... after they shoot a dog and shut down a little girl's lemonade stand. And taze an old woman.
 
2012-10-06 12:13:22 AM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?
 
2012-10-06 12:16:03 AM  
Gyrfalcon
Yeah, first, where do you even FIND cobblestones to steal them, and second, where do you sell them at a high enough price to justify stealing them in the first place? At least stealing copper or aluminum I can understand, there's some kind of market for scrap metal; but I had no idea there was a market for scrap rock.


That does ask the question...why would you run from the police for allegedly stealing cobblestones. I don't know the details, but everything suggests either very bad timing or a very enthusiastic police force.

Either way presentation of felony for PR purposes suggests something is strange.

/I would like to see meth-heads brought up on felony charges based on the repair costs of what they steal, but that might require actual detective work.
 
2012-10-06 12:21:37 AM  
I did a quick look and didn't see this answer.. So... if the police can send the parents a bill for their son denting the hood, then perhaps the parents can send the police the bill for the medical services rendered due to them running into their son.. sounds fair to me.. either that or the police that was driving must allow the parent one free whack with a sledge hammer to the skull.... or 2.. 3...
 
2012-10-06 12:24:26 AM  

scubamage: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?


I'm trying not to take sides in this asinine sub-debate; but fleeing lawful arrest is in itself a felony, you know.
 
2012-10-06 12:25:37 AM  

ThatDarkFellow: How shocking

[electric-friends.com image 500x476]


I see someone choked on the huge, throbbing, gooey,

electric-friends.com

dick of racism.
 
2012-10-06 12:28:13 AM  
This bears repeating: if you don't want the cops to kill you, stop being black! Geez....
 
2012-10-06 12:29:14 AM  

rewind2846: There is no farking way that any human being, even farking Usain Bolt, could move fast enough that running into a stopped object could not only knock them unconscious, but put then into a coma with irreversable brain damage. If he did run into the front of a stopped car, the front of that car would have come up to his pelvis, maybe mid-thigh... the brain ain't down there.


Actually, it's totally possible for a healthy adult to die from a fall from ordinary standing height. You just have to hit your head just right on either the corner or something, or the ground. This actually happens from time to time.

That being said, it's really unlikely, and as far as legal defenses go it's on the level of "My identical twin did it". Those fine upstanding officers can just use the dash-cam video to exonerate themselves. It WAS on, wasn't it?
 
2012-10-06 12:31:48 AM  

gaspode: The police's apparent claim that he ran over to the static police car, threw himself at the hood and hit his head so hard he died (in spite of many witnesses that they ran him down) doesn't bode well for their chances in court if the judge is sane.


Not to say that I believe the cops here, but actually it is possible, but I would rather think it would be the blow to the head when he hit the ground that could have killed him. You're a Kiwi, so you might remember that not too long ago someone in NZ died when a guy punched him and he hit his head on the ground in the fall.

I think people underestimate the force with which one's head can hit the ground in a simple fall, let alone one caused by a collision with another object (moving or otherwise). Your head doesn't have to be split open for a brain injury to kill you.

/Still doesn't mean the cops are being truthful
 
2012-10-06 12:32:53 AM  
Gyrfalcon,
scubamage: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?
You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?
I'm trying not to take sides in this asinine sub-debate; but fleeing lawful arrest is in itself a felony, you know.


I can appreciate you have been on both sides of the law. I understand you to be a reasonable slightly slight right of center person in this regard.

I think we can agree that using a vehicle could be considered deadly force depending on circumstances.

This may be simply a fark-up on both sides, but can we please have the police chill the fark out for a minute on something that does not present imminent danger to the community?

/Speaking in NY terms, we don't want times square filled with hookers and muggers, but it does not have to be all Disney stores designed for tourists either.
 
2012-10-06 12:34:07 AM  

whatshisname: evilbryan: I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.
Paging George Zimmerman to thread 7366654
/whatever happened to that douche anyway?


Getting ready for round two, when he goes on trial. it's gonna be epic.
 
2012-10-06 12:35:50 AM  

VTGremlin: cman: I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.

What happens in the instance that they never find the body, but people are reasonably sure the person is dead? Can debtors still collect, or does it just fade away into the ether?


From what I understand, most debt dies with the debtor. The collectors can swipe anything in the estate (if there is one and if they're quick enough) and they can, theoretically, sue the surviving relatives in the same way an armed robbery victim can sue the gun manufacturer (i.e. they won't win unless they bribe the judge) but mostly all they can do is send a bill and hope people pay.

Thing is, if you've ever been in a thread about collection agencies you ALSO know that that method of fishing expedition works. Sometimes it works so well the collector can get money from debts that were already paid, because all they do is send a bill with a lot of scary-sounding language (little of which can be backed up legally) and people pay out of fear. Kind of like how the RIAA rolls.
 
2012-10-06 12:42:41 AM  

nytmare: ReverendJasen: Ambivalence: I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.

Parents aren't culpable regardless. If the man's estate consists of two joints and a pair of Nikes, they can file against his estate all they want, they'll just end up pounding sand.

They probably DID file against the estate, and the writer or family is twisting it around to act like the bill's coming directly to them.


If the cops use a collection agency, (and why wouldn't they?) it will hit them up, they won't be forced to pay but that's neither here nor there.
 
2012-10-06 12:44:09 AM  
Can he be eligible for a Darwin award?
Is suicide-by-cop a disqualifier for a Darwin award eligibility?
Where's the boy's father to say son I am dissapoint?
Why would anyone steal cobblestones? At age. 27?
 
2012-10-06 12:45:38 AM  
I'll bet the cop responsible was dirty; I'll bet he carries a "throw cobblestone." ("Throw guns" are too cliché.) This guy is betting a jury would say, "Throw cobblestone? The very idea is ludicrous!" Smart one, this cop.
 
2012-10-06 12:46:16 AM  

NothingCanPossiblyeGoWrong: Sunidesus: fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.

So according to the cops the guy somehow ran into a stationary car hard enough to put himself in a coma and then die.

That seems unlikely to say the least.

Don't forget: He ran into it hard enough to dent it for over 700$ worth of damage.
Too bad this kid died; a powerhouse like that, he could have been some kind of olympic athlete...


THIS
 
2012-10-06 12:47:25 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.


How the fark is he relevant in any way, even here? He wasn't a party to the incident, knows and represents nobody involved and inciting anger for the sake of anger doesn't constitute relevance. What entitles him to be the spokesperson for race relations? He's a proven repeatedly to be a self-serving liar, has accused, condemned and stirred up public anger toward innocent people who, even then, were entitled to and deserved the presumption of innocence. He has ruined people's lives all on the basis of race and bigotry and has yet to apologize or show any remorse for the damage he personally and intentionally caused. true ignorant bigoted racist scumbag. name one thing he's done to benefit either society, race relations, black people or anyone for that matter? Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley.
 
2012-10-06 12:48:19 AM  

cryinoutloud: whatshisname: evilbryan: I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.
Paging George Zimmerman to thread 7366654
/whatever happened to that douche anyway?

Getting ready for round two, when he goes on trial. it's gonna be epic Florida.


FTFY
 
2012-10-06 12:56:26 AM  

surfrider: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.

How the fark is he relevant in any way, even here? He wasn't a party to the incident, knows and represents nobody involved and inciting anger for the sake of anger doesn't constitute relevance. What entitles him to be the spokesperson for race relations? He's a proven repeatedly to be a self-serving liar, has accused, condemned and stirred up public anger toward innocent people who, even then, were entitled to and deserved the presumption of innocence. He has ruined people's lives all on the basis of race and bigotry and has yet to apologize or show any remorse for the damage he personally and intentionally caused. true ignorant bigoted racist scumbag. name one thing he's done to benefit either society, race relations, black people or anyone for that matter? Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley.


Is this an incident of police committing a crime and covering it up?

Is he the first, if not only one keeping it from being swept under the rug?

Does the fact that you know about it at all stem from the huffpo reporting on it because he made it a louder issue?

The answer to those rhetorical questions is yes. Ol' Sharpton may be a dickbreathed asshole but he's what we got.
 
2012-10-06 01:00:00 AM  

DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?


they probably are billing the estate.
 
2012-10-06 01:03:10 AM  

eraser8: FTFA: Robinson's mother says the city is ordering the family to pay $710 to pay for the damages on the very car that killed her 27-year-old son.

Why the fark is someone ELSE responsible for this guy's expenses?


I dunno... I guess since he can be on her health insurance plan, he can be on her 'bill me for shiat that is broken' plan.
 
2012-10-06 01:03:40 AM  
TheBigJerk
Is this an incident of police committing a crime and covering it up?
Is he the first, if not only one keeping it from being swept under the rug?
Does the fact that you know about it at all stem from the huffpo reporting on it because he made it a louder issue?
The answer to those rhetorical questions is yes. Ol' Sharpton may be a dickbreathed asshole but he's what we got.

I have seen some interviews with Sharpton and he recognized his early PR farkups with Twanda Brawly. [I am not googling to the get the spelling right on principle, just as if it was one L or two L's for Michelle.] I have seen him in interviews where he seems to acknowledge his early mistakes.

The problem with police misconduct is bigger then black and white and he could be more than just a mouthpiece for the african-american community.
 
2012-10-06 01:05:21 AM  
Tim Tebow deserves to start. fark Sanchez.
 
2012-10-06 01:06:33 AM  

hbk72777: love the comments

"Technically, those cars belong to us. Our taxes pay not only the salaries of the police, but we also buy the cars they drive. If anything, they should be forced to use cheap used vehicles to hit cars with, not $20,000+ vehicles. And now, they are going out and buying a whole new fleet. Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, Darts, Suburbans and other full size SUV's. Oh yeah, don't forget who gets to pay for the $100's of dollars in gas a day either. WE DO! Protect and Serve huh? Sounds more like they are protecting and serving themselves. ON OUR TAX DOLLARS. Then to recklessly hit other cars to make them stop and pin them so they can not get away. Don't forget, when they hit someone that person gets the charge of vehicular assault. Will there be any point when we stop letting them take any liberty they want simply because we "need" them. Yet another time to add to the list that the police have failed the people they are supposed to be helping. Making the mother pay, what a joke! "

20k car is expensive? shiat, let's make them drive Datsuns. Then, when they don't make it to your crackhouse in time to stop your boyfriend from slapping the shiat out of you, you can go on with even more outrage. I know, you'll get Reverend AL

Link


Well they can't use Datsuns because they quit making them in 1984. That said, why the fark do they need muscle cars and Suburbans in urban settings?
 
2012-10-06 01:12:29 AM  

TheBigJerk: surfrider: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.

How the fark is he relevant in any way, even here? He wasn't a party to the incident, knows and represents nobody involved and inciting anger for the sake of anger doesn't constitute relevance. What entitles him to be the spokesperson for race relations? He's a proven repeatedly to be a self-serving liar, has accused, condemned and stirred up public anger toward innocent people who, even then, were entitled to and deserved the presumption of innocence. He has ruined people's lives all on the basis of race and bigotry and has yet to apologize or show any remorse for the damage he personally and intentionally caused. true ignorant bigoted racist scumbag. name one thing he's done to benefit either society, race relations, black people or anyone for that matter? Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley.

Is this an incident of police committing a crime and covering it up?

Is he the first, if not only one keeping it from being swept under the rug?

Does the fact that you know about it at all stem from the huffpo reporting on it because he made it a louder issue?

The answer to those rhetorical questions is yes. Ol' Sharpton may be a dickbreathed asshole but he's what we got.


You've clearly misconstrued the media interest in sharpton for sharptons interest in the media.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness he demands be given to his bullshiat, self-serving platform. How people still defend this scumbag and pretend he is anything other than an enormous cancer on society is beyond me.
 
2012-10-06 01:13:32 AM  
Every time I see one of these articles, I can't help but think that Mike Bloomberg and Ray Kelly actually want a race riot.
 
2012-10-06 01:13:40 AM  
I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.
 
2012-10-06 01:17:09 AM  

surfrider: media.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness ...


Ironically enough, the NYPD has done the same things many times. I'm not saying Sharpton isn't an opportunistic scumbag, but the NYPD is hardly sympathetic
 
2012-10-06 01:19:50 AM  

cmb53208: surfrider: media.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness ...

Ironically enough, the NYPD has done the same things many times. I'm not saying Sharpton isn't an opportunistic scumbag, but the NYPD is hardly sympathetic


good point. sharpton is as credible and honest as NYPD and yet people still look to him as if he's worth listening to.
 
2012-10-06 01:21:08 AM  

cmb53208: why the fark do they need muscle cars and Suburbans in urban settings?


Suburbans are like roving supply closets and offices, they have alot more room than a patrol car. As far as the muscle car things go....personally I would rather have a fleet of cars with the HO engine and beefed up suspension instead of buying a car that would have to be upgraded. Might also be a manufacturer thing. They used to offer Crown Victorias in an upgraded interceptor model and Caprices with an upgraded LTZ type cop package. Maybe the manufacturers are only offering their performance level cars with interceptor packages.
 
2012-10-06 01:25:42 AM  
New York is the north's answer to Arizona.
 
2012-10-06 01:26:41 AM  

legion_of_doo: Civic pride is kind of gone, not just in urban areas,


And the rural never had it. Ever been off the interstate and tried to count the number of bullet holes in a road sign?
 
2012-10-06 01:28:23 AM  

justtray: FTFA - "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly."

People always die running into cars.


We were walking my dog when I was a kid one night. My mom started having trouble breathing. She was having a heart attack, but we didn't know it yet (she's fine). The dog was so concerned about my mom she walked right into a parked car. Made a big THUNK sound. It was pretty funny later. Not so much at the time.
 
2012-10-06 01:33:37 AM  

Earpj: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

Allegedly.


Yep, that's the problem here. Though the kid was arrested by the cops he was never convicted of anything, if only because the poor bastard died before it could go to court.

I could see some sort of farked up situation where they decided to posthumously charge him with felony Evading Arrest, but even then that would have to go to trial, and I guarantee it would cost more than $710 of taxpayer resources to get that conviction rushed through court. That's not even factoring in the inevitable Malicious Prosecution lawsuit that would be brought for taking a farking DEAD GUY to court for felony Evading in the first place.

Anyway, regardless, this is an A+ douchebag move by the cops. I mean if the kid had hurled cobblestones at the cop car I could kind of see it, but even then... the dude died. Fining him isn't going to teach him a lesson, it's just going to make his family suffer. Unlike third-world countries, we don't punish entire families for the crimes of one member of the family*.

/*Offer not valid if you are from another country that we don't like. Some limitations apply, see consulate for details.
 
2012-10-06 01:38:28 AM  

Ambivalence: I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.


this.
 
2012-10-06 01:43:15 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.


Also, it's kind of surprising how many people would consider the deliberate use of deadly force to be justified by a non-violent crime, such as theft of farking stones off the street.
 
2012-10-06 01:49:50 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.


He's never relevant, he's a race baiting whore and only shows up if he can get airtime. He should have been shamed into existence during tawana brawley and his drug sales but the media let's him skate, fark MSNBC gave him a show but then they are the short bus of networks.
 
2012-10-06 01:59:00 AM  
cyberspacedout
Also, it's kind of surprising how many people would consider the deliberate use of deadly force to be justified by a non-violent crime, such as theft of farking stones off the street.


1-We don't know what happened when the cop car stuck him. Yes I sound like an apologist, but this is true.
2-FARK is full of trolls looking for reactions.
3-We could not have the police force many communities have if some people didn't disagree with this behavior. Make it the African-American son of a preacher or mayor and it might be different. It isn't all about skin color.

It is sad that too many American cops are zero-tolerance asshole thin blue line gang members hiding behind shields vs peace officers trained to look into crimes and solve problems.
 
2012-10-06 02:07:58 AM  

hbk72777: love the comments

"Technically, those cars belong to us. Our taxes pay not only the salaries of the police, but we also buy the cars they drive. If anything, they should be forced to use cheap used vehicles to hit cars with, not $20,000+ vehicles. And now, they are going out and buying a whole new fleet. Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, Darts, Suburbans and other full size SUV's. Oh yeah, don't forget who gets to pay for the $100's of dollars in gas a day either. WE DO! Protect and Serve huh? Sounds more like they are protecting and serving themselves. ON OUR TAX DOLLARS. Then to recklessly hit other cars to make them stop and pin them so they can not get away. Don't forget, when they hit someone that person gets the charge of vehicular assault. Will there be any point when we stop letting them take any liberty they want simply because we "need" them. Yet another time to add to the list that the police have failed the people they are supposed to be helping. Making the mother pay, what a joke! "

20k car is expensive? shiat, let's make them drive Datsuns. Then, when they don't make it to your crackhouse in time to stop your boyfriend from slapping the shiat out of you, you can go on with even more outrage. I know, you'll get Reverend AL


I do seem to recall a story about cops hitting someone, then citing them for reckless endangerment or some other such crap. Things where the "violation" was on video and it was clearly their fault. Multiple such stories, actually. I need to do some googling.


Thrakkorzog: So the kid lived at home and had the same address so they sent the bill to that house. The article says "they want my son to pay". The mom opened his mail and found the computerized bill and assumes the family is on the hook for the damage.


Well... that makes it MARGINALLY better, I suppose. It's still sort of shocking they'd bill the kid without a conviction though. I sure as shiat know if I fell onto a Police cruiser while being arrested and was then released without charge, getting a bill for damaging the vehicle would have me shopping for a lawyer.


Thanks for the Meme-ries: DEMERIT!

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God dammit I knew my PSP emulator collection was missing something. M.A.M.E., here we come.


BummerDuck: So, he allegedly stole bricks, but another story says he had permission to take them. But if he had permission, why would he run from police?


www.myfacewhen.net

"Many minorities and underprivileged believe law enforcement officers are inherently bigoted and/or frequently fabricate evidence to ensure arrests lead to successful convictions, regardless of actual guilt."
 
2012-10-06 02:09:55 AM  
The police are saying he died running into a parked car. The impact was based solely on human speed.

Are they using the, "You know how fast they can run defense"?
 
2012-10-06 02:21:54 AM  
Sending a bill for the death implement is something that authoritarian/fascist organizations have been known to do. Like, China charging for the execution bullet before a body could be reclaimed:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/03/12/1047431092598.html

The "perp" clearly didn't dent the car by running into it. Since the police liked so outrageously about that, it's likely that they lied outrageously about the cobblestone thefts.

Lastly, summary execution is becoming a SOP for the NYPD:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/nyregion/police-stop-and-fatally-sh o ot-unarmed-driver-on-a-parkway-in-queens.html?ref=nyregion


Cops and criminals are cut from the same piece of meat. Seriously, NYPD are straight-up scum.
 
2012-10-06 02:29:38 AM  

M0nkeyp0x: ThatDarkFellow: How shocking

[electric-friends.com image 500x476]

I see someone choked on the huge, throbbing, gooey,

[electric-friends.com image 500x476]

dick of racism.


You ever get the feeling these guys just live for threads where they can show off how they're so damn clever because they can "predict" when criminals will be darkies? That they lurk, and lurk, and lurk until some crime-related thread pops up...the guy was white? Dammit! Lurk, lurk, lurk...I GOT ONE! I GOT ONE...

"Darkies are bad."

*Whew!* I'm exhausted. This Fark thing is hard. I barely have enough energy left to wank all over my 8x10 glossy of David Duke before Bill O'Reilly comes on.
 
2012-10-06 02:45:27 AM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law


The problem with that point of view is, that it gives law enforcement a perverse incentive to use as much force as possible. And, that it might very well be that a suspect is proven innocent. So,

1. Proportionality is required (stealing cobblestones does not justify the death sentence of anyone involved).
2. The suspect is only a suspect until proven guilty. The police don't decide in the matter.
 
2012-10-06 02:48:16 AM  

cmb53208: surfrider: media.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness ...

Ironically enough, the NYPD has done the same things many times. I'm not saying Sharpton isn't an opportunistic scumbag, but the NYPD is hardly sympathetic


Yeah. The second I read NYPD I immediately thought that not only did they do that but the guy probably didn't do the crime.
/This is how bad you're reputation is NYPD.
//Meanwhile in Minnesota a Duluth Police officer is facing criminal charges for punching a suspect in a wheelchair.
 
2012-10-06 02:55:24 AM  
Tamon....

The first word of the headline was all I needed to guess the guy was both successful and attractive.

blogs.westword.com
 
2012-10-06 03:18:42 AM  

FlashHarry: wow, that's just farking insane.


Tell me again, why isnt it legal to kill cops again???

Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma. While unconscious, cops kept him handcuffed to the hospital bed.

Are you farkING kidding me???
ASSHOLES
 
2012-10-06 03:36:32 AM  

namatad: FlashHarry: wow, that's just farking insane.

Tell me again, why isnt it legal to kill cops again???

Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma. While unconscious, cops kept him handcuffed to the hospital bed.

Are you farkING kidding me???
ASSHOLES


Oh just shut the fark up you twat. Suspects try to escape medical facilities all the time. Try interacting with the real world instead of from your hipster loft.

/why is it legal for morons to post to the internet?
 
2012-10-06 03:52:32 AM  
I really hate it when my state government is so underfunded that I have overworked, undertrained, stressed out cops going apeshiat on the general populace.

You want your small government, yer gettin' it. By all means, don't retreat. Reload.
 
2012-10-06 03:55:41 AM  

Satan's Cheese Cancer:
Then they'll drive a cruiser through his tombstone and REALLY rack up a bill... after they shoot a dog and shut down a little girl's lemonade stand. And taze an old woman.


Actually they'll taze the little girl, take the lemonade and subject the old woman to lemonadeboarding. Because war on terrordrugs.
 
2012-10-06 03:56:29 AM  
Did I say all that about NYPD cops? God, I am so high.

Those guys are just assholes. They will kill you during lunch and brag to their children about it that night.
 
2012-10-06 03:59:18 AM  

peterthx: namatad: FlashHarry: wow, that's just farking insane.

Tell me again, why isnt it legal to kill cops again???

Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma. While unconscious, cops kept him handcuffed to the hospital bed.

Are you farkING kidding me???
ASSHOLES

Oh just shut the fark up you twat. Suspects try to escape medical facilities all the time. Try interacting with the real world instead of from your hipster loft.

/why is it legal for morons to post to the internet?


Being that he was in a coma they probably didn't need to handcuff him. But it's procedure anyway.

/Hey man, if it wasn't you might not get to post!
 
2012-10-06 03:59:27 AM  

fredbox: Because war on terrordrugs.


Jesusfark don't SAY that! I'm awake all weekend now, thanks dick.

farkin' terrordrugs. *shudders*
 
2012-10-06 04:04:46 AM  

DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?


She isn't. At absolute worst, the bill is for his estate, which given age, appearance, and activity was likely little to nothing and probably already disbursed given the delay.

Also, I see a lot of people using the word 'felony'. Now, the guy died and thus wasn't charged, but like Marcus said - it'd likely take a lot of cobblestones to reach that point.

AbbeySomeone: Considering he was accused of or allegedly stealing cobblestones (for cash exchange) he didn't have jacksh*t for an estate, mostly debt and unpaid child support.


Two other options I've seen was 'commit assault' by dropping said stones off a bridge(they think it's funny), or use them as impromptu jack stands to steel wheels off of cars. Don't disagree on the state of the estate though. Likely momma got the bill because the son was still living with her when he died, or was the executor of the estate, and thus in the system.

scubamage: You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?


I'm seeing an awful lot of this here. I haven't seen ANYBODY endorse the death penalty for stealing. Some snarkiness, of course. But no serious endoresments. But I think this was the dozenth post condemning the accident as a sort of deliberate penalty/punishment done without trial.

All cman was pointing out is a LEGAL TRUTH. In some jurisdictions, you can find yourself on trial for murder of a police officer if you're robbing a bank and a responding officer dies in a car accident 10 miles away while responding to the call you created. Is it right? Perhaps not. But it's long tradition in many states that if you're committing a felony, you're responsible for what happens during that felony - your accomplice shoots somebody? First degree murder, even if you're only the driver and they haven't even left the bank yet. Heck, in Florida if the police shoot and kill your accomplice you're up for murder of your accomplice. Fun, huh? Don't commit (potentially) violent felonies then.

Now I think some police need to be fired for lying in a report(hitting vs running into), and as I view that as a more serious crime than stealing cobbles, I wouldn't have sent that bill to the estate. It's just crass, but I figure some bean counter out there did it, perhaps without realizing the kid was dead.

Oh and NYPD has had a bad reputation since before I was alive, though I heard it was cleaned up about a decade ago. Maybe it's taking another downturn. :(

cmb53208: Well they can't use Datsuns because they quit making them in 1984. That said, why the fark do they need muscle cars and Suburbans in urban settings?


Suburbans, in my area, are normally supervisor/dog vehicles. The amount of crud an officer is expected to haul around is crazy. Laptop, radio equipment, guns, ammo, safety gear, spare clothing, breathalyzer, field drug tests, flares, etc... The supervisors have it even worse, and the canine officers carry all that AND a dog(or two).

The 'muscle' cars is because of the miles they travel (8+hours a day), and that the vehicles are often equipped with extra equipment - modern economy cars aren't built with frames strong enough to take the things the cops want to bolt on. Then they want a vehicle fast enough(even with more stuff bolted on) to keep up with felons attempting to escape, and there are highways in the area. It should also be heavy/sturdy enough to be able to PITT even a big SUV.

By the time you've done the custom paintjob, installed the heavy-duty alternator and other electronic equipment, bolted on the crash bars, installed the security grating to securely hold prisoners, and anything else necessary you're looking at the raw cost of the car only being the biggest single line item - not even the majority of the cost of the car.
 
2012-10-06 04:19:14 AM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Tamon....

The first word of the headline was all I needed to guess the guy was both successful and attractive.

[blogs.westword.com image 400x542]


Photoshop is not your calling.
As is often the case with the moderately retarded.
 
2012-10-06 04:24:12 AM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.


I'm still wondering why anyone would be allegedly stealing cobblestones.

Even given that the cops are the evil brutes Farkers generally want them to be around here, they have to at least present an appearance of reasonableness in their report--so the only thing I can conclude is that "alleged theft of cobblestones" is an ACTUAL crime that someone else has committed at least once. Otherwise, they'd have planted drugs or guns on their alleged suspect and been done with it. I'm left to assume that he was, in fact, doing something that at least resembled stealing cobblestones, as would have been charged in the indictment had he lived.

It's entirely possible to argue, and probably successfully, that the cops overreacted massively by chasing a guy whose pockets were weighed down with rocks; but that's not my question. My question, unanswered so far in this thread, is WHEN did there become such a vast market for scrap rocks? Or was he stealing some kind of antique cobblestones off some reenactment street?

Oh, and I still haven't seen anyone say he was some kind of scumbag who deserved to die for stealing rocks. That was somebody responding to cman pointing out that death during commission of a felony is murder; which then raises the question of whether you can even steal that many cobblestones.
 
2012-10-06 04:33:10 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I'm still wondering why anyone would be allegedly stealing cobblestones.


I've seen 3 reasons posted:
1. Your own landscaping project
2. dropping off a bridge or such, possibly aiming for vehicles. I suppose other acts of vandalism, such as attempting to put it through a store window, would be possible.
3. using them as impromptu jack stands for the purpose of stealing wheels/rims.
 
2012-10-06 04:40:01 AM  

Firethorn: Gyrfalcon: I'm still wondering why anyone would be allegedly stealing cobblestones.

I've seen 3 reasons posted:
1. Your own landscaping project
2. dropping off a bridge or such, possibly aiming for vehicles. I suppose other acts of vandalism, such as attempting to put it through a store window, would be possible.
3. using them as impromptu jack stands for the purpose of stealing wheels/rims.


But COBBLESTONES? Can't you just use regular rocks or cinderblocks for all that, and not have to take the risks associated with stealing shiat? I mean, any old rock can be dropped off a bridge or through a window, this isn't freaking Revolutionary France that you need to rip up paving stones and hurl them at the gendarmes. How high class of a vandal was this?
 
2012-10-06 04:45:32 AM  

Gyrfalcon: But COBBLESTONES? Can't you just use regular rocks or cinderblocks for all that, and not have to take the risks associated with stealing shiat? I mean, any old rock can be dropped off a bridge or through a window, this isn't freaking Revolutionary France that you need to rip up paving stones and hurl them at the gendarmes. How high class of a vandal was this?


*shrug*, I don't steal stuff. I do know that I don't generally see cinderblocks lying around free for the taking, and I'm not sure what shape these cobblestones were. Depending on the area, rocks of appropriate size might be harder to find than prying them up.

As for the vandal's class, I'm guessing 'scrapping the bottom of the barrel'. Nobody's ever accused them of excessive intelligence.
 
2012-10-06 05:29:51 AM  
Yet another defenseless, sweet, lovable, blonde, blue-eyed Boy Scout mowed down in the prime of life.
 
2012-10-06 05:50:24 AM  
After seeing the picture of the guy, I don't believe for a second that he was stealing or doing anything illegal whatsoever. He's probably an apprentice stone mason and he was likely volunteering his time repairing the neighborhood sidewalk/pavement for the sake of beautifying his community. Clearly this is all one giant conspiracy and the cops have it in for this hard-working citizen's family. I have a reminder for the NYPD: This gentleman's taxes pay your salaries! My heart goes out to his mother who is obviously being victimized by a racist police department gone mad. What I also find surprising is that the police are specifically billing his mother. I mean, it's clear that this man comes from a stable nuclear family and the fact that his father isn't being billed is just another example of rampant sexism in the department. Certainly it's not as if his father is missing or otherwise unavailable.

Thank goodness the preeminent Reverend Al is involved. I'm sure his even-handed sense of justice, for which is he renowned, will be of crucial value to the gentleman's family during this awful time of senseless persecution. My prayers are with you and your family Tamon!
 
2012-10-06 06:06:14 AM  

cman: I think it has to deal with his estate.


Did you see his photo? Sell his entire estate on eBay or wherever you like, then let's all see how much it's worth. Income from welfare and food stamps do not count. Oh.... You can keep the first $710, too!
 
2012-10-06 06:08:48 AM  

bmihura: cman: I think it has to deal with his estate.

Did you see his photo? Sell his entire estate on eBay or wherever you like, then let's all see how much it's worth. Income from welfare and food stamps do not count. Oh.... You can keep the first $710, too!


Nice try, racist wise-ass. I would wager that a full set of "gold teef" and 77 pairs of "jodans" are worth much *much* more than the cost of the damages to the police cruiser.
 
2012-10-06 06:24:28 AM  
Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma. While unconscious, cops kept him handcuffed to the hospital bed. Six days later, he was declared brain dead and his family made the decision to take him off the respirator.

/I think he was probably brain dead before being struck, and what kind of a tool steals cobblestones? Did they run out of copper wire for him to rip off? And yes, he was under arrest, so he was handcuffed to the bed. Duh. I love the way they troll this like it's an outrage that they would actually restrain him while under arrest. Idiot trolling reporter is an idiot.
 
2012-10-06 06:35:11 AM  

scottydoesntknow: cman: 2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

Well unless he had a diamond pickaxe, it probably would've taken a couple hours to get the necessary materials for his scale model recreation of Hogwarts.

/What are we talking about?


What a newb. He doesn't need to steal that cobblestone. All he needs is a good source of water and lava and tada cobblestone as many as he needs.
 
2012-10-06 07:06:23 AM  
Okay, so the police say shiat like, "he died running into our stationary car", and we're supposed to believe anything else they have to say about this case?
 
2012-10-06 07:10:45 AM  

cretinbob: fusillade762: According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it.

Sounds legit.

The officer had his gun drawn, and the perp fell on to his bullets also has worked.


Can you please get the info for that? Just tried google, no luck.
 
2012-10-06 07:19:17 AM  

porterm: dont care for nyc cops at all but he was trying to evade them. if he had stopped and complied and was legit,he would likely still be alive today. he made a choice to run,and that caused his death. but billing his estate is kinda silly,gonna cost more to collect then they will get. a waste of tax dollars!


Get your tongue off the boot, son.
 
2012-10-06 07:26:21 AM  

Happy Hours: ZAZ: I was about to feel sympathetic until I read about the Sharpton rally.

I felt exactly the same way.


I initially thought that 9/11 was a bad thing. Then I heard that Rush Limbaugh also felt that 9/11 was a bad thing. Now I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people who died that day.
 
2012-10-06 07:31:51 AM  

wejash: cman: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law, as well as any damage to property is also the responsibility of them



That's not always going to be true. The police don't get to throw hand grenades at people fleeing from them after allegedly committing property crimes -- and then blame the suspect for all the buildings and cars damaged in the blast areas. The cops don't get a "hot pursuit" license to joyfully destroy whatever they like or injure the public in the process. There will always be a proportionality limit.


Don't tell them that.
 
2012-10-06 07:38:01 AM  

Trapper439: Happy Hours: ZAZ: I was about to feel sympathetic until I read about the Sharpton rally.

I felt exactly the same way.

I initially thought that 9/11 was a bad thing. Then I heard that Rush Limbaugh also felt that 9/11 was a bad thing. Now I have no sympathy whatsoever for the people who died that day.


Meh - somehow I can tune Rush out or just laugh at him, but for some reason Al Sharpton really pisses me off.

Am I a racist?
 
2012-10-06 07:50:37 AM  
Is there any money in stealing and reselling cobblestones? This makes no sense.
 
2012-10-06 08:17:54 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

...allegedly caught stealing cobblestones

He wasn't tried nor convicted, and even if he had been, the death penalty wouldn't apply.

You are correct the death penalty wouldnt apply. If the officers had malice as their intent, they will be the ones on the hook. However, as it seems to be a freak accident, he gets all the blame

Again, he was allegedly caught stealing cobblestones.


"Tamon Robinson's sideline of digging up cobblestones and selling them to scrap dealers had gotten him arrested numerous times. "

Link

Apparently, he had gotten pretty good at the whole stealing cobblestones thing, so I'm not going to put so much into the "allegedly".
 
2012-10-06 08:29:07 AM  

cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?


A stoned cobbler?
 
2012-10-06 08:40:53 AM  
There was a time, pre-Reagan era, when I recall reading in High School about early 19th century England executing children for stealing handkerchiefs, silverware, or being pickpockets. The universal reaction at that time was shock and disgust that any country could be so depraved, even among the jocks. Reading over these comments here expressing approval, even joy, that this man was run over and killed by the police for stealing paving stones makes me realize that many of us have become as sick as the people who approved of those earlier punishments.
 
2012-10-06 09:02:02 AM  

whatshisname: evilbryan: I like the "He was running away, he asked for it" comments.

Paging George Zimmerman to thread 7366654

/whatever happened to that douche anyway?


he's still judge shopping and getting rich off of racist dumbasses
 
2012-10-06 09:02:53 AM  
www.tensionnot.com
 
2012-10-06 09:06:43 AM  

cman: However, as it seems to be a freak accident, he gets all the blame


Because, freakishly enough, driving on the sidewalk and deliberately running someone over is, you know, an accident.

Which I don't have a problem with. F*cking with his bereaved mom is just several kinds of messed up though.
 
2012-10-06 09:14:50 AM  

justtray: FTFA - "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly."

People always die running into cars.

A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.


yes,your father should die,its only right.
 
2012-10-06 09:19:46 AM  
cman [TotalFark] 2012-10-05 05:09:22 PM

1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law



Then get the money from him.
 
2012-10-06 09:20:56 AM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Tamon....

The first word of the headline was all I needed to guess the guy was both successful and attractive.

[blogs.westword.com image 400x542]


Yes, yes we all know racism and below average intelligence go hand in hand. Don't you need to finish listening to Limbaugh while smearing your ass nuggets all over the trailer's walls?

It does amaze me how many people seem to come to the internet just to scream; "Look how stupid I am!!!"

thursaurs.com
 
2012-10-06 09:22:31 AM  

porterm: justtray: FTFA - "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly."

People always die running into cars.

A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.

yes,your father should die,its only right.


Actually, that all depends on how black his father is.
 
2012-10-06 09:24:05 AM  

Gyrfalcon: this isn't freaking Revolutionary France that you need to rip up paving stones and hurl them at the gendarmes.


I laughed harder than I should have at that.....
 
2012-10-06 09:24:21 AM  

Avery614: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: Tamon....

The first word of the headline was all I needed to guess the guy was both successful and attractive.

[blogs.westword.com image 400x542]

Yes, yes we all know racism and below average intelligence go hand in hand. Don't you need to finish listening to Limbaugh while smearing your ass nuggets all over the trailer's walls?

It does amaze me how many people seem to come to the internet just to scream; "Look how stupid I am!!!"

[thursaurs.com image 500x428]


It's funny how his racism is based on hundreds of years of collective anecdotal experience while your argument is based on OOH YOU'RE RETARDED BECAUSE I SAY YOU ARE!
 
2012-10-06 09:24:33 AM  

porterm: justtray:
A long time ago, my Dad stole cobblestones from roadwork where they were being dug up and replaced to create a walkway in our garden. I guess he deserved to die too.
yes,your father should die,its only right.


He probably is dead now, if it was a long time ago. I hope you're happy.
 
2012-10-06 09:29:40 AM  
A similar thing happened to my brother in law when he died in an apartment fire. My inlaws received a $1000 bill for damage. That little tint cost the apartment complex owners $250,000. True story.
 
2012-10-06 09:48:26 AM  

AbortionsForAll: It's funny how his racism is based on hundreds of years of collective anecdotal experience while your argument is based on OOH YOU'RE RETARDED BECAUSE I SAY YOU ARE!


No, it was pretty evident I was saying "You're retarded for making a statement based on hundreds of years of collective ignorance that most people with more than 2 brain cells have moved passed." Or "You're retarded for thinking race plays into it at all." I have anecdotal evidence that white trailer trash do most of the scrap thieving in my neighborhood therefore that must be a white crime and this man was innocent.

Let me ask you, are you saying that racism is ok because it has been perpetuated in the past? If so can I sacrifice one of your family members so something can finally be done about the drought? Anecdotal evidence tells me that we did this for hundreds of years, must have been the right thing to do.
 
2012-10-06 09:48:52 AM  
I didn't see any mention of white officers running down the black male.....if they could push a racist cop angle they would...so are we to assume the cop was an uncle tom?
 
2012-10-06 10:37:31 AM  

rewind2846: FTA: "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly. Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma."

There is no farking way that any human being, even farking Usain Bolt, could move fast enough that running into a stopped object could not only knock them unconscious, but put then into a coma with irreversable brain damage. If he did run into the front of a stopped car, the front of that car would have come up to his pelvis, maybe mid-thigh... the brain ain't down there.

What's worse is that the police thought they could get away with what they did on an entire street of witnesses in daylight.
Lying sacks.


I've known two people who died from falling over. You hit your head the wrong way and you die
 
2012-10-06 10:52:07 AM  
I feel safer.
 
2012-10-06 11:03:00 AM  

rewind2846: FTA: "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly. Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma."

There is no farking way that any human being, even farking Usain Bolt, could move fast enough that running into a stopped object could not only knock them unconscious, but put then into a coma with irreversable brain damage. If he did run into the front of a stopped car, the front of that car would have come up to his pelvis, maybe mid-thigh... the brain ain't down there.

What's worse is that the police thought they could get away with what they did on an entire street of witnesses in daylight.
Lying sacks.


Not true. Remember that story of the Twilight fan at Comic Con who ran out into the street and tripped, smacking her head against a stopped car? She died of her injuries.
 
2012-10-06 11:07:30 AM  

ArkAngel: I've known two people who died from falling over. You hit your head the wrong way and you die


This I will buy. I will not buy, however, that the guy was running at a parked car so fast (for no apparent reason) that he dented it. Was he a sparkly vampire or something?
 
2012-10-06 11:14:54 AM  

cman: LockeOak: cman: DamnYankees: Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

I think it has to deal with his estate. Since he most likely died without a will, things get a bit difficult on who exercises what and how. He is responsible for the debt, but since he has passed away, his estate is responsible for the debt.

Considering that he was not convicted of a crime, the damage was assessed six months after he was dead and I doubt he had any estate to speak of, the police will be lucky to come out -$710.

Yeah. These things can get a bit confusing. Not Star Trek paradox style confusing, but close


I'm guessing Tamon's 'estate' wasn't worth a pile of beans since he was stealing cobblestones.

Momma doesn't be havin' 700 dollas.
 
2012-10-06 01:30:01 PM  

cryinoutloud: ArkAngel: I've known two people who died from falling over. You hit your head the wrong way and you die

This I will buy. I will not buy, however, that the guy was running at a parked car so fast (for no apparent reason) that he dented it. Was he a sparkly vampire or something?


You could probably go out to your car and put a dent in it using your thumb.

body panels aren't made with 5/8ths inch steel plate.......
 
2012-10-06 01:51:51 PM  
Really, no one?
Tamon Robinson's Mother, Laverne Dobbinson, Owes NYPD $710 For Damages To Police Car That Killed Son

Can you imagine the wedding announcement? "Robinson-Dobbinson"?
 
2012-10-06 02:17:57 PM  

cman: Bathia_Mapes: cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law
2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

...allegedly caught stealing cobblestones

He wasn't tried nor convicted, and even if he had been, the death penalty wouldn't apply.

You are correct the death penalty wouldnt apply. If the officers had malice as their intent, they will be the ones on the hook. However, as it seems to be a freak accident, he gets all the blame


The cop hit him with a farking car. That's not your usual 'he jumped into a pit of lava, that's his fault' scenario, that's a sign that the cop needs his damn license revoked.
 
2012-10-06 03:15:52 PM  
I saw a guy get hit by a car, he had just left Subway with his sandwich in a bag. The guy was pretty much DRT and the cop ate his sandwich while he waited for an ambulance. Cops...

DRT - dead right there.
 
2012-10-06 03:27:29 PM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: DEMERIT!

[i291.photobucket.com image 450x220]


Well that led to a flashback
 
2012-10-06 03:48:32 PM  
Perhaps if she had been a better parent, her little snowflake would still be alive.
 
2012-10-06 04:18:10 PM  

stuffy: Perhaps if she had been a better parent, her little snowflake would still be alive.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 06:29:17 PM  

Avery614: AbortionsForAll: It's funny how his racism is based on hundreds of years of collective anecdotal experience while your argument is based on OOH YOU'RE RETARDED BECAUSE I SAY YOU ARE!

No, it was pretty evident I was saying "You're retarded for making a statement based on hundreds of years of collective ignorance that most people with more than 2 brain cells have moved passed." Or "You're retarded for thinking race plays into it at all." I have anecdotal evidence that white trailer trash do most of the scrap thieving in my neighborhood therefore that must be a white crime and this man was innocent.

Let me ask you, are you saying that racism is ok because it has been perpetuated in the past? If so can I sacrifice one of your family members so something can finally be done about the drought? Anecdotal evidence tells me that we did this for hundreds of years, must have been the right thing to do.


I'm saying racism is OK because it's firmly grounded in reality.That's why racism exists in real life, after all.
 
2012-10-06 08:09:23 PM  

Giltric: cryinoutloud: ArkAngel: I've known two people who died from falling over. You hit your head the wrong way and you die

This I will buy. I will not buy, however, that the guy was running at a parked car so fast (for no apparent reason) that he dented it. Was he a sparkly vampire or something?

You could probably go out to your car and put a dent in it using your thumb.

body panels aren't made with 5/8ths inch steel plate.......


Very true. A friend of mine once tripped and plowed her head into the door of a vehicle. Left a nice-sized dent and she wasn't even injured.
 
2012-10-07 08:22:27 PM  

AbortionsForAll: Avery614: AbortionsForAll: It's funny how his racism is based on hundreds of years of collective anecdotal experience while your argument is based on OOH YOU'RE RETARDED BECAUSE I SAY YOU ARE!

No, it was pretty evident I was saying "You're retarded for making a statement based on hundreds of years of collective ignorance that most people with more than 2 brain cells have moved passed." Or "You're retarded for thinking race plays into it at all." I have anecdotal evidence that white trailer trash do most of the scrap thieving in my neighborhood therefore that must be a white crime and this man was innocent.

Let me ask you, are you saying that racism is ok because it has been perpetuated in the past? If so can I sacrifice one of your family members so something can finally be done about the drought? Anecdotal evidence tells me that we did this for hundreds of years, must have been the right thing to do.

I'm saying racism is OK because it's firmly grounded in reality.That's why racism exists in real life, after all.


It doesn't have to, though. Humanity can grow up and start using their supposed vast intelligence for more than picking their noses and lighting their farts. There's absolutely no positive purpose for being racist.
 
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