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(Politico)   Obama cratered in the debate on purpose because he knows most people don't really care about political artifice. Seriously. No, really. Not making this up. Look, stop laughing -- that's really what this says   (dyn.politico.com) divider line 203
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2012-10-05 08:29:09 PM
uh huh
 
2012-10-05 08:38:02 PM
I thought it was the altitude?

I'm just disappointed he didn't call out any of Romney's lies of flip-flops.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:01 PM
Lies OR flip-flops.
 
2012-10-05 08:44:52 PM
So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?
 
2012-10-05 08:47:42 PM
The Onion rules: 

Link
 
2012-10-05 08:51:12 PM
"artifice"?

Behaps you should use clearer words that the lewd folk will understand
 
2012-10-05 08:58:18 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?


I think it's a little of both, though I do not agree that Romney kicked his ass. That wasn't Obama's best debate; he appeared bewildered at the sudden 180 from Romney, respective to everything he'd seen and heard from him thus far in the campaign. So he was set back on his heels. I think however, your interpretation is most correct. He did the same thing to Romney he did to McCain; sat back, let him charge ahead and run his mouth.

I think that's going to be the real takeaway from the debate. Romney wrote a lot of checks with his mouth that his ass can't cash. I mean, people are STILL talking about Big Bird. For there to be any real worry from the Obama camp, he'd have to utterly tank the next debate......and I just can't see that happening.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:53 PM

cman: "artifice"?

Behaps you should use clearer words that the lewd folk will understand


He's not making it us.
 
2012-10-05 09:03:45 PM
Two things:

1. "Not making this us"? Try to restrain your glee juuuust a bit next time,subby.

2. First debate is over. Let's see how Willard performs in 10 days.
 
2012-10-05 09:10:35 PM
Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 09:13:28 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?


Well, the article here says Obama was trying to be calm and presidential but he came off as timid and disengaged and unprepared. That's Obama's campaign people saying that, not the GOP whistling past the graveyard.
 
2012-10-05 09:36:13 PM
Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:29 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.


To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.
 
2012-10-05 09:46:20 PM
are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"
 
2012-10-05 09:55:03 PM

Kazan: are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"


Apparently not. Although, Obama and I are both smokers, so I see some credence to the altitude theory. I hate being in Denver, because it is hard for me to breathe.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:37 PM

simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.


Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.
 
2012-10-05 10:17:57 PM
photos1.blogger.com
 
2012-10-05 10:29:44 PM

Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.


My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.
 
2012-10-05 10:38:05 PM
The Democrats will seemingly never understand why Republicans win. It isn't about ideas, it's about boldness. Republicans are bold to the point of audaciousness. They will happily dive face-first into raw sewage and then dare you to follow them. They never admit they're wrong, they never admit defeat, they always lead with their dicks and expect you to follow. You can't trap them in cognitive dissonance because they just happily discard the old reality and replace it with a new one. And no matter how often they do this, Democrats are always left scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.

If Obama doesn't get this by now, I don't know what to tell him. I think he'll be fine for this election, but you just have to wonder if the Democrats are ever going to get their heads out of their asses.
 
2012-10-05 10:45:55 PM

simplicimus: Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.

My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.


No, I don't think it will either. I'm hoping his campaign team better preps him for the debate, though.
 
2012-10-05 10:50:02 PM

Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.

My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.

No, I don't think it will either. I'm hoping his campaign team better preps him for the debate, though.


What's to prep? Obama knows who he is and what he believes in. Romney? Maybe not so much.
 
2012-10-05 10:51:15 PM

GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.


That would be my suggestion.
 
2012-10-05 10:54:31 PM

Krymson Tyde: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

That would be my suggestion.


Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget. But that's harder than talking about Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:11 PM

Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.

My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.

No, I don't think it will either. I'm hoping his campaign team better preps him for the debate, though.


I do too, but in his defense he does have several other things on his plate.
 
2012-10-05 11:02:42 PM

simplicimus: Krymson Tyde: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

That would be my suggestion.

Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget. But that's harder than talking about Big Bird.


Big Bird is what's playing now. Plus it really illustrates how out of touch with the American public and the federal budget Romney is.
 
2012-10-05 11:09:31 PM

Krymson Tyde: simplicimus: Krymson Tyde: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

That would be my suggestion.

Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget. But that's harder than talking about Big Bird.

Big Bird is what's playing now. Plus it really illustrates how out of touch with the American public and the federal budget Romney is.


Best I can tell, anyone who watched the debate said Romney won hands down on presentation but lost on substance. The only thing that seems to have come out of the debate, and therefore people who didn't watch it know about, is Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 11:13:52 PM
By Alexander Burns and Glenn Thrush and Maggie Haberman

*jerkoff motion*
 
2012-10-05 11:15:39 PM

GAT_00: Best I can tell, anyone who watched the debate said Romney won hands down on presentation but lost on substance. The only thing that seems to have come out of the debate, and therefore people who didn't watch it know about, is Big Bird.


"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshiat", I kept coming back to that while watching Mitt on Wednesday. His bullshiat was so baffling it even through Obama off.
 
2012-10-05 11:16:06 PM
It was a cunning strategy from the start! And I know this because I have facts to back this up.

Facts and citations from countless reputable sources! Yes, let me just go get those for you...

*runs out and slams door*
 
2012-10-05 11:16:20 PM
threw. damnit.
 
2012-10-05 11:17:02 PM
Here are few things to consider:

Research in memory shows people remember the end of a series better than the middle or beginning. The first debate doesn't matter much. Also, the GOP has no real policy.

The best course of action was to let Romney shoot his wad and wait and see. By debate #3, Romney will be reduced to a sputtering puddle, but only if it is necessary.
 
2012-10-05 11:18:06 PM
What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"
 
2012-10-05 11:19:03 PM
if you care about facts: Obama won
if you think of debates as shiat talking contests: Romney won
since the Internet has devolved debating into shiat talking contests, Romney clearly won too bad libs. make more excuses maybe someone will believe them
 
2012-10-05 11:20:46 PM
Also, if I had my druthers " game changer" would be struck from our lexicon.
 
2012-10-05 11:20:58 PM
Hey I'll buy it. Because I refuse to believe Mittens is a better speaker and has better ideas than Obama.
 
2012-10-05 11:24:46 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


Unless you're Sam Jackson or Dr. Dre.
 
2012-10-05 11:25:51 PM
In retrospect it might have been a good choice that Obama did not bring up the 47% video. The disappointed Romney people must have surely expected it, so they trotted Romney over to Fox for a lame apology (although not TRULY an apology) to an audience 1/10 the size who watched the debate.
 
2012-10-05 11:26:21 PM
Imagine that, Bain Capital, Romney's company, bankrupts businesses for the same reason.
/and gets away with it too
 
2012-10-05 11:26:56 PM

GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.


...you're taking the debate as though it meant something. It doesn't. It didn't sway one mind to or from either candidate, and none of the other debates will, either. This is all for ratings.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:32 PM
FTA:

But as a result, Obama allowed Romney to set the terms for much of their Wednesday night faceoff at the University of Denver. Startling his supporters, Obama did not deliver almost any of the sharpest attacks that have defined his campaign against Romney, dwelling instead on missing details from Romney's policy proposals. The former Massachusetts governor's private-equity background, controversial personal finances, views on social issues and recently reported comments, disparaging Americans who do not pay income taxes, went entirely unmentioned.

How that translated into Obama taking a dive on the debate I don't know.
 
2012-10-05 11:29:06 PM

Mentat: Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"

Unless you're Sam Jackson or Dr. Dre.


Not to mention Tiny "Zeus"Lister,Jr. or,to a lesser extent,Morris Chestnut.
 
2012-10-05 11:29:43 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


That was my impression after the debate. I think its important to realize that this was the first time a lot of people even payed attention to the president since he was elected and this was a reintroduction for the "low information voters" (stupid people). It's an unfortunate truth, but an aggressive black man is threatening for a sizable portion of the population.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:03 PM

GBmanNC: Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"

That was my impression after the debate. I think its important to realize that this was the first time a lot of people even payed attention to the president since he was elected and this was a reintroduction for the "low information voters" (stupid people). It's an unfortunate truth, but an aggressive black man is threatening for a sizable portion of the population.


Nah, he opens up the town hall debate with "Where the white women at?"
 
2012-10-05 11:40:04 PM
Just let the Fark Independents have their moment. It's been tough for them. We'll see who really won that debate on election day.
 
2012-10-05 11:43:17 PM
Who is laughing?
 
2012-10-05 11:45:46 PM

Magnetar: Just let the Fark Independents have their moment. It's been tough for them. We'll see who really won that debate on election day.


Not America
 
2012-10-05 11:48:27 PM
Maybe Obama tanked it because he's tired of being President. Think about it, 3+ years of no cooperation with congress, hair already turning grey from stress, pension and health bennies assured plus lucrative book deals and speaking engagements from here on out - what, I'm sure he says, me worry? Let Romney fark with this mess, I'm outta here. Aloha and mahalo. Let's see if he phones in answers to the next debate, if so, he may be taking this as an out. Barak, we hardly knew ye, etc., and I wouldn't blame him one bit.
 
2012-10-05 11:48:38 PM
If it were true, Obama knows me.

The American government is now decided by Madison Avenue and sociologists. One of the first major comprehensive neuromarketing studies was done on Obama's DNC speech -- the one that made him a contender before he ran.

I tire of the manipulation, but thanks to a lack of education in this country, we're doomed. The debates are just a depressing display of marketing from both sides, as no Americans are willing to learn anything about the issues that affect them, and just want to cling to logos and jingles while other people control them.

/waves tiny flag
 
2012-10-05 11:48:54 PM
Keep polishing that turd.
 
2012-10-05 11:49:08 PM

IlGreven: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

...you're taking the debate as though it meant something. It doesn't. It didn't sway one mind to or from either candidate, and none of the other debates will, either. This is all for ratings.


I'll also add that nobody will remember the first debate after the last one occurs anyway. People's attention spans are so short that they actually think a Republican will be good for this country. Or at least some of the people do. Obama will still be re-elected as if none of the debates occured because folks just don't like Romney very much. And him being filthy rich doesn't help with their impression that the rich screwed us in 2008, and they'll do it again if given the chance.
 
2012-10-05 11:53:56 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 11:54:17 PM

iaazathot: Here are few things to consider:

Research in memory shows people remember the end of a series better than the middle or beginning. The first debate doesn't matter much. Also, the GOP has no real policy.

The best course of action was to let Romney shoot his wad and wait and see. By debate #3, Romney will be reduced to a sputtering puddle, but only if it is necessary.


img.youtube.com
what a sputtering puddle may look like....
 
2012-10-05 11:55:22 PM
So he "cratered" now? Jeez.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:24 AM
Who's laughing? Obama made a decent showing, and the rest of you can fark off.
 
2012-10-06 12:13:47 AM

Kazan: are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"


Nobody is able to say that anymore.
 
2012-10-06 12:21:20 AM

muck4doo: Keep polishing that turd.


Oh, hey - I haven't seen you in quite a while! I'd ask how you've been, but I don't really give a shiat.
 
2012-10-06 12:21:59 AM
I personally believe this was more strategy than anything. Not saying it was good strategy, but it wasn't as horrible as many seem to think.
 
2012-10-06 12:22:05 AM

whidbey: Who's laughing? Obama made a decent showing, and the rest of you can fark off.


THIS
 
2012-10-06 12:24:11 AM

IlGreven: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

...you're taking the debate as though it meant something. It doesn't. It didn't sway one mind to or from either candidate, and none of the other debates will, either. This is all for ratings.


Actually anecdotally I can disprove this. I had dinner with 2 undecided voters on Wednesday and on Thursday one told me she was set on Romney now. But could not tell me what swayed her. I just sighed
 
2012-10-06 12:27:14 AM

S Gilmore L: Maybe Obama tanked it because he's tired of being President. Think about it, 3+ years of no cooperation with congress, hair already turning grey from stress, pension and health bennies assured plus lucrative book deals and speaking engagements from here on out - what, I'm sure he says, me worry? Let Romney fark with this mess, I'm outta here. Aloha and mahalo. Let's see if he phones in answers to the next debate, if so, he may be taking this as an out. Barak, we hardly knew ye, etc., and I wouldn't blame him one bit.


I honestly don't think he's in it for the books and speaking engagements that are sure to follow. I'm not saying he won't cash in on them, because it would be foolish not to; I just think he's president now because he genuinely wants to make the USA a better place.
Romney though? He's in it for himself.
 
2012-10-06 12:30:09 AM

Krymson Tyde: S Gilmore L: Maybe Obama tanked it because he's tired of being President. Think about it, 3+ years of no cooperation with congress, hair already turning grey from stress, pension and health bennies assured plus lucrative book deals and speaking engagements from here on out - what, I'm sure he says, me worry? Let Romney fark with this mess, I'm outta here. Aloha and mahalo. Let's see if he phones in answers to the next debate, if so, he may be taking this as an out. Barak, we hardly knew ye, etc., and I wouldn't blame him one bit.

I honestly don't think he's in it for the books and speaking engagements that are sure to follow. I'm not saying he won't cash in on them, because it would be foolish not to; I just think he's president now because he genuinely wants to make the USA a better place.
Romney though? He's in it for himself.


He can't be in it for himself.

He's running for president for Pete's Sake!
 
2012-10-06 12:30:28 AM
he wasnt prepared to face a brick farking wall of bullshiat and a complete etch a sketching of everything romney had campaigned on for the last 18 months.
so he, as anyone probably would have, came off a bit flat footed. he seemed pretty dumbfounded at what his opponent was throwing out. romney carried the charisma and steadfast attacks and surely appeared better. what he said most of the night was complete and utter bullshiat, which is why obama is getting a bump in the polls.
americans are stupid, but not that stupid.
well.... i take that part back.

it wont happen again.
 
2012-10-06 12:32:18 AM

muck4doo: Keep polishing that turd.


Keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-10-06 12:34:30 AM
Rope-a-dope.
 
2012-10-06 12:35:17 AM

commieprogressive: Krymson Tyde: S Gilmore L: Maybe Obama tanked it because he's tired of being President. Think about it, 3+ years of no cooperation with congress, hair already turning grey from stress, pension and health bennies assured plus lucrative book deals and speaking engagements from here on out - what, I'm sure he says, me worry? Let Romney fark with this mess, I'm outta here. Aloha and mahalo. Let's see if he phones in answers to the next debate, if so, he may be taking this as an out. Barak, we hardly knew ye, etc., and I wouldn't blame him one bit.

I honestly don't think he's in it for the books and speaking engagements that are sure to follow. I'm not saying he won't cash in on them, because it would be foolish not to; I just think he's president now because he genuinely wants to make the USA a better place.
Romney though? He's in it for himself.

He can't be in it for himself.

He's running for president for Pete's Sake!


why would you want the hardest farking job on the planet just for your resume?
have you seen how quickly the job ages presidents?
on the other hand, we are talking about romney.
 
2012-10-06 12:48:17 AM
I still contend the entire affair was quite dull. Granted I just listened to the audio on NPR so missed out on the body language, Obama rambled and The Mitt Romneys spewed lies. I really thought it was a tie until I turned on the TV and saw Mathews near tears and the FOX team giddy.

//Still don't think it was a game changer and today's job numbers muted whatever momentum The Mitt Romneys may have started. Also the fact that Big Bird seems to be the public's take away from this, Romneys failed.
 
2012-10-06 12:49:45 AM
When Romney said he was going to kill Big Bird something in Obama's head went "Ding! Fries are done." and he decided he could take a break.
 
2012-10-06 01:05:06 AM

We're beginning to see some signs of progress: When Romney said he was going to kill Big Bird something in Obama's head went "Ding! Fries are done." and he decided he could take a break.


gotta save the rest of my energy for the anniversary fark tonight.
ill mop the floor with him next time. he just created the only narrative that will gain traction this next week, that and the fact checking.
mission accomplished.
goddamn im tired from all this presidentin and not looking like angry black man.
 
2012-10-06 01:07:10 AM
Damn that Obama! He was letting Romney write the next campaign ad! This is a perfect example of his job-killing philosophy!
 
2012-10-06 01:09:05 AM
President Obama needs to go all Chaka Luther King on Mitt at the Town Hall Debate.
 
2012-10-06 01:46:54 AM
Mitt done got set up. I said this in the debate thread.
 
2012-10-06 01:58:07 AM
Link

This is still the first thing that comes to mind when I think of people saying Romney won the debate.
 
2012-10-06 02:04:54 AM

fusillade762: muck4doo: Keep polishing that turd.

Keep farking that chicken.


And this sums up every Fark election thread.
 
2012-10-06 02:18:37 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


It's the only wise course of action, though.
 
2012-10-06 02:38:26 AM
There are so many sad things about those who think Romney won. The wish fulfillment of being able to yell at the Black President for daring to become president, the pointless anger that has ruled their lives for nearly four years, the frustration over Dubya for being horrible enough that now he essentially no longer exists because he lost to a black guy, and the forced joviality over Obama 'losing' because he didn't shout Romney down.

The Republicans will never stop fighting against the Obama that exists in their minds, the loud black guy who doesn't really exist. It's pathological at this point, and they can't see beyond their own bias to admit that they're wrong. Of course they can't: Republicans see any kind of backtracking as failure, and that simply can't be. So, beholden to their own code of retardation, they keep pressing forward because to their simple minds reality is merely something you achieve when you scream loud enough.

Again, it must be asked: what are the Republicans really for? The answer is absolutely nothing. It's a cult of personality by lazy rednecks, sad bigots, and disgruntled losers who are too afraid to live the life they want being led by the nose by the Rich children of former industrialists who hold them in a tremendous amount of contempt. The biggest joke isn't that Romney isn't a Republican in the purity test sense of the word, but that when the Republicans start whining and biatching after Election Day, everybody will laugh at them and tell them 'no shiat, you assholes, you figured this out now?'
 
2012-10-06 02:46:33 AM
I don't see how someone who had to tell 27 lies in 38 minutes can be seen to have "won" a debate. President Obama wasn't on his A game but he stuck with the truth. I'll take that over Mr. Romney's lies any day of the week, even if that means losing in November.
 
2012-10-06 02:52:04 AM

Baby Face Fister: Mitt done got set up. I said this in the debate thread.


Apparently, the challenger is generally considered to have "won" the first debate, so long as he doesn't piss his own pants. It's a shame we're only having three this year, as six (which is what they used to have) would give time for Obama to build slowly. He's going to have to be solid in the town hall and then pound Mitt into the ground in the foreign policy debate (the fact that they're doing that one last feels exactly like someone laid a trap for Romney).
 
2012-10-06 02:54:28 AM

GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.


Obama isn't saying these excuses. Some jibbering head at some pundit hole did.

Guntram Shatterhand: There are so many sad things about those who think Romney won. The wish fulfillment of being able to yell at the Black President for daring to become president, the pointless anger that has ruled their lives for nearly four years, the frustration over Dubya for being horrible enough that now he essentially no longer exists because he lost to a black guy, and the forced joviality over Obama 'losing' because he didn't shout Romney down.

The Republicans will never stop fighting against the Obama that exists in their minds, the loud black guy who doesn't really exist. It's pathological at this point, and they can't see beyond their own bias to admit that they're wrong. Of course they can't: Republicans see any kind of backtracking as failure, and that simply can't be. So, beholden to their own code of retardation, they keep pressing forward because to their simple minds reality is merely something you achieve when you scream loud enough.

Again, it must be asked: what are the Republicans really for? The answer is absolutely nothing. It's a cult of personality by lazy rednecks, sad bigots, and disgruntled losers who are too afraid to live the life they want being led by the nose by the Rich children of former industrialists who hold them in a tremendous amount of contempt. The biggest joke isn't that Romney isn't a Republican in the purity test sense of the word, but that when the Republicans start whining and biatching after Election Day, everybody will laugh at them and tell them 'no shiat, you assholes, you figured this out now?'


The thing is that McCain should have won in 2000. If he did, I'm certain we never would have invaded Iraq and there was a possibility that we could have nailed Bin laden at least six years sooner.

What ruined McCain's chances back then was that 1. he underestimated the batshiat crazy side of the GOP that was in the Bush camp and 2. by the time McCain had his next chance, he overcompensated by kowtowing to the extreme right and allowed Sarah Palin to be chosen as possible VP (you know picking her was never his idea).

As I've said before. The extremism of the republican politicians is just the symptom of the rot the infests the average republican voter. All of this talk about killing Big Bird and pushing Grandma off on an ice flow are just attempts to appease a very brutal, psychotic, stupid element of our own society.
 
2012-10-06 02:57:04 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: There are so many sad things about those who think Romney won. The wish fulfillment of being able to yell at the Black President for daring to become president, the pointless anger that has ruled their lives for nearly four years, the frustration over Dubya for being horrible enough that now he essentially no longer exists because he lost to a black guy, and the forced joviality over Obama 'losing' because he didn't shout Romney down.


I live in Portland, Oregon. I know quite a few delf described "conservatives." I don't think they are anti-Obama because he is multi-racial. There is this general idea that Democrats are not fiscally responsible, and will keep driving America to a socialist state. This is more the legacy of FDR and LBJ than MLK.

What I think is very interesting is when you ask many self described conservatives, and you start asking them about policy specifics, you get a fairly balanced "middle of the road" basket of political beliefs rather than the reflexive anti-Obama rhetoric. It is all rather interesting because most of the hatred is rather slick marketing of some clever marketing slogans rather than what they may actually want in a real community.
 
2012-10-06 03:20:04 AM

Harry_Seldon: blah


I love how you completely absolve your friends of any responsibility for their baseless hatred.
 
2012-10-06 03:30:51 AM

fusillade762: I thought it was the altitude?

I'm just disappointed he didn't call out any of Romney's lies of flip-flops.


www.freewebs.com

What can men do in the face of such wreckless bullshiat?
 
2012-10-06 03:33:00 AM

The Why Not Guy: Harry_Seldon: blah

I love how you completely absolve your friends of any responsibility for their baseless hatred.


Yes, all my friends are full of baseless hatred, but they have good taste in beer.
 
2012-10-06 03:42:46 AM

Kazan: are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"


I still think Mitts cologne made him dizzy.
 
2012-10-06 03:43:12 AM
I've got a couple things to say on this.

First off, I'm really sorry that I shared the latest crop of Bluetooth/Diesel with Barry when he swung through town. It's October y'all, and I didn't know he had a farking debate, OK?

I thought he was meeting with some Department of Interior assholes or some sh*t. C'mon, a little tokey wokey won't get Barry all whacked, he's got his shiat in control. However, I did forget that the dude gets way passive after a couple rips, chills out way too much, loses his edge know what I mean? Yo! Barry! Get pissed dude!

Call that motherfarker OUT! I saw Barack's eyes get all big early on, all pissed off, and I said "oh shiat, he's about to biatchslap that frat boy!"

But then he all got calm and shiat. All statesman like. Aight. I'm cool with that. But that motherfarker is still lyin'. And we know it.

Word.
 
2012-10-06 03:45:15 AM
^Alcohol caused this me^
 
2012-10-06 03:49:10 AM

Harry_Seldon: Yes, all my friends are full of baseless hatred, but they have good taste in beer.


Your priorities explain a lot.

Look, I'm assuming you and your pals are adults. Sooner or later you* have to stop blaming the world for the fact that you're misinformed. If you truly believe Democrats are spend-happy socialists while the Republicans are fiscal watchdogs, that means you haven't done your homework and have instead taken what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh say at face value. That's your fault as much as theirs. A recent poll showed that something like 15% of Ohio Republicans think Mitt Romney is more responsible for taking out Osama bin Laden than President Obama. Another 42% aren't sure. That kind of wrong doesn't just happen. You have to give in to it.

It's not hard to see past the bullshiat on either side of the aisle. You don't have to be a rocket scientist. You just have to decide it's worth it to make the effort. Your friends clearly haven't.

* I'm speaking in general here
 
2012-10-06 03:57:31 AM

The Why Not Guy: Harry_Seldon: Yes, all my friends are full of baseless hatred, but they have good taste in beer.

Your priorities explain a lot.

Look, I'm assuming you and your pals are adults. Sooner or later you* have to stop blaming the world for the fact that you're misinformed. If you truly believe Democrats are spend-happy socialists while the Republicans are fiscal watchdogs, that means you haven't done your homework and have instead taken what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh say at face value. That's your fault as much as theirs. A recent poll showed that something like 15% of Ohio Republicans think Mitt Romney is more responsible for taking out Osama bin Laden than President Obama. Another 42% aren't sure. That kind of wrong doesn't just happen. You have to give in to it.

It's not hard to see past the bullshiat on either side of the aisle. You don't have to be a rocket scientist. You just have to decide it's worth it to make the effort. Your friends clearly haven't.

* I'm speaking in general here


Are you completely off the deep end? I hold a Ph.d. in Political Science from Cal. and work for one of the most progressive companies in the US.
 
2012-10-06 04:02:26 AM

Harry_Seldon: Are you completely off the deep end? I hold a Ph.d. in Political Science from Cal. and work for one of the most progressive companies in the US.


All that education and you still couldn't read where I said "I'm speaking in general here" - what a pity. Besides, all the education in the world won't help someone who doesn't choose to use it. My uncle was one of the lead chemists at Kodak for decades, and he's a birther.
 
2012-10-06 04:04:41 AM

Harry_Seldon: The Why Not Guy: Harry_Seldon: Yes, all my friends are full of baseless hatred, but they have good taste in beer.

Your priorities explain a lot.

Look, I'm assuming you and your pals are adults. Sooner or later you* have to stop blaming the world for the fact that you're misinformed. If you truly believe Democrats are spend-happy socialists while the Republicans are fiscal watchdogs, that means you haven't done your homework and have instead taken what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh say at face value. That's your fault as much as theirs. A recent poll showed that something like 15% of Ohio Republicans think Mitt Romney is more responsible for taking out Osama bin Laden than President Obama. Another 42% aren't sure. That kind of wrong doesn't just happen. You have to give in to it.

It's not hard to see past the bullshiat on either side of the aisle. You don't have to be a rocket scientist. You just have to decide it's worth it to make the effort. Your friends clearly haven't.

* I'm speaking in general here

Are you completely off the deep end? I hold a Ph.d. in Political Science from Cal. and work for one of the most progressive companies in the US.


Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?
 
2012-10-06 04:06:53 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


President Obama always ALWAYS has to be on the watch for this. This is his third rail. The closest he got was with BP and the "whose ass to kick" thing. But he got roundly criticized for even doing that. He cannot activate the "Black Panther" stereotype or he runs the risk of losing independents and moderate Republicans.
 
2012-10-06 04:09:10 AM
President Obama needs to go all Chicken A La King on Mitt at the Town Hall Debate.
 
2012-10-06 04:14:06 AM
simplicimus:Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Don't be an asshole. You're in the Politics tab reading politics. If you feel the need to reply that "that was an honest question", step away from the computer and shoot yourself.
 
2012-10-06 04:20:42 AM

BMulligan: muck4doo: Keep polishing that turd.

Oh, hey - I haven't seen you in quite a while! I'd ask how you've been, but I don't really give a shiat.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 04:22:26 AM

joonyer: simplicimus:Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Don't be an asshole. You're in the Politics tab reading politics. If you feel the need to reply that "that was an honest question", step away from the computer and shoot yourself.


Sorry, spent too much time in the real world. To me a PoliSci degree ranks up there with a Philosophy degree. And I was in the computer field. The most useless people in my field were people with Computer Science PHDs.
 
2012-10-06 04:23:36 AM
Why is no one able to tell that the guy had a bit too much anxiety or depression meds?
 
2012-10-06 04:25:53 AM

Somacandra: BMulligan: muck4doo: Keep polishing that turd.

Oh, hey - I haven't seen you in quite a while! I'd ask how you've been, but I don't really give a shiat.

[i.imgur.com image 470x352]


That's the image most had of Obama and his mighty debating skills.
 
2012-10-06 04:34:02 AM

Young Rory Calhoun: IlGreven: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

...you're taking the debate as though it meant something. It doesn't. It didn't sway one mind to or from either candidate, and none of the other debates will, either. This is all for ratings.

Actually anecdotally I can disprove this. I had dinner with 2 undecided voters on Wednesday and on Thursday one told me she was set on Romney now. But could not tell me what swayed her. I just sighed


I guarantee you she'll change her mind at least twice more before the election; and whoever she decides to vote for will be determined by the last positive thing she saw just prior to entering the voting booth. It will have nothing to do with the merits of whichever man she votes for, merely that she saw something that made her say "Oh, I like Mitt!" or "Oh, I like Obama!" at the second she hits the switch. Afterwards, she'll stop to think that maybe she made a mistake--but not for very long.
 
2012-10-06 04:38:43 AM
America loves the come-back kid. The person who dusts themselves off and comes back to win it big. The only way Obama could play that role is to feel out his opponent in the first round and look for his weaknesses, which Romney showed in abundance. Then go into round two and let it fly. Obama weathered everything Romney threw his way in the first debate and knows he can take Romney's best punches. Romney had to come out swinging early... he has almost nothing to lose. That's the only way Obama could look like the come-back kid in this election because by every other reasonable metric, Obama is kicking Romney's ass... handily.

I'm not saying that is absolutely the case... but it sure seems like a plausible scenario to me. It's all speculation anyway.

Or maybe Obama knows that deep down, America hates farking liars.
 
2012-10-06 04:39:06 AM
I was honestly surprised after watching the debate that anyone thought either candidate made a good showing much less one "blowing out" the other. Even when they reference what eachother said it never sounded like they were actually talking to one another.

But people need their side to win, so whatever.
 
2012-10-06 04:41:06 AM

simplicimus: joonyer: simplicimus:Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Don't be an asshole. You're in the Politics tab reading politics. If you feel the need to reply that "that was an honest question", step away from the computer and shoot yourself.

Sorry, spent too much time in the real world. To me a PoliSci degree ranks up there with a Philosophy degree. And I was in the computer field. The most useless people in my field were people with Computer Science PHDs.


That "real world" was designed and built by PhDs. Including PoliSci doctorates. Crazy, huh?

Good luck mastering HTML!
 
2012-10-06 04:42:41 AM

JohnnyC: Or maybe Obama knows that deep down, roughly half of America hates farking liars.


Muck4tenpoundsofMeinKrusher doesn't seem to mind.
 
2012-10-06 04:45:57 AM

The Why Not Guy: JohnnyC: Or maybe Obama knows that deep down, roughly half of America hates farking liars.

Muck4tenpoundsofMeinKrusher doesn't seem to mind.


Or maybe deep down, Obama knows his idiot worshipers will loyally lick his balls, just like The Why Not Guy does, no matter how stupid he looks.
 
2012-10-06 04:47:15 AM

JohnnyC: America loves the come-back kid. The person who dusts themselves off and comes back to win it big. The only way Obama could play that role is to feel out his opponent in the first round and look for his weaknesses, which Romney showed in abundance. Then go into round two and let it fly. Obama weathered everything Romney threw his way in the first debate and knows he can take Romney's best punches. Romney had to come out swinging early... he has almost nothing to lose. That's the only way Obama could look like the come-back kid in this election because by every other reasonable metric, Obama is kicking Romney's ass... handily.

I'm not saying that is absolutely the case... but it sure seems like a plausible scenario to me. It's all speculation anyway.

Or maybe Obama knows that deep down, America hates farking liars.


Yeah, that's it! Obama looked like an idiot on purpose. He meant to do that. That's the ticket.
 
2012-10-06 04:48:11 AM
It also could be he had altitude sickness. Or Romney cheated with a cheat sheet hanky.
 
2012-10-06 04:48:54 AM

joonyer: simplicimus: joonyer: simplicimus:Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Don't be an asshole. You're in the Politics tab reading politics. If you feel the need to reply that "that was an honest question", step away from the computer and shoot yourself.

Sorry, spent too much time in the real world. To me a PoliSci degree ranks up there with a Philosophy degree. And I was in the computer field. The most useless people in my field were people with Computer Science PHDs.

That "real world" was designed and built by PhDs. Including PoliSci doctorates. Crazy, huh?

Good luck mastering HTML!


Seriously, what farking role in anything did PoliSci majors play a part?
 
2012-10-06 04:52:40 AM
Fark is the perfect example of "Polish That Turd".
 
2012-10-06 04:52:40 AM

muck4doo: or maybe deep down, Obama knows his idiot worshipers will loyally lick his balls, just like The Why Not Guy does, no matter how stupid he looks.


Insult all you like, but it's your guy who told 27 lies in 38 minutes.
 
2012-10-06 04:52:58 AM
Also... what it mostly boils down to for me is this. America is a cluster-fark of all sorts of people with all kinds of whacked out beliefs. That doesn't stop at our borders either, so that comes into play too. The question I ask myself is who do I think would do a better job dealing with the enormous amount of bullshiat that the President of the United States of America has to put up with.

Romney or Obama? Well... the answer to that was as clear as the carefully crafted smile that never met Romney's eyes. That guy doesn't seem stable and I don't think he could really handle the job. Obama has proved he can handle the.

The real question of course is... does anyone think it's possible that Republicans will go for anything other than gridlock when Obama wins? Will they reform themselves if they are handed a loss? Can they ever be humble in the face of defeat? I do not know, but I do not think so.
 
2012-10-06 04:53:38 AM

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: or maybe deep down, Obama knows his idiot worshipers will loyally lick his balls, just like The Why Not Guy does, no matter how stupid he looks.

Insult all you like, but it's your guy who told 27 lies in 38 minutes.


Is that what Daily Kos told you today? You should be in on hankeygate.
 
2012-10-06 04:54:39 AM

JohnnyC: Obama has proved he can handle the.


Yes, he did. Didn't he?
 
2012-10-06 04:56:16 AM

muck4doo: JohnnyC: Obama has proved he can handle the.

Yes, he did. Didn't he?


Accidentaly everything.
 
2012-10-06 04:56:57 AM

JohnnyC: Obama has proved he can handle the.


I meant to say "pressure" at the end there... but have fun with [fill in the blank] if you're so inclined.
 
2012-10-06 05:01:31 AM

JohnnyC: JohnnyC: Obama has proved he can handle the.

I meant to say "pressure" at the end there... but have fun with [fill in the blank] if you're so inclined.


lol!
 
2012-10-06 05:02:57 AM

muck4doo: Is that what Daily Kos told you today? You should be in on hankeygate.


Link
 
2012-10-06 05:06:09 AM

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: Is that what Daily Kos told you today? You should be in on hankeygate.

Link


Oh, progress .org told you that. It must be true then.
 
2012-10-06 05:07:32 AM
If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?
 
2012-10-06 05:09:20 AM

simplicimus: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7366653/79841453#c79841453" target="_blank">joonyer</a>:</b> <i>simplicimus: joonyer: simplicimus:Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Don't be an asshole. You're in the Politics tab reading politics. If you feel the need to reply that "that was an honest question", step away from the computer and shoot yourself.

Sorry, spent too much time in the real world. To me a PoliSci degree ranks up there with a Philosophy degree. And I was in the computer field. The most useless people in my field were people with Computer Science PHDs.

That "real world" was designed and built by PhDs. Including PoliSci doctorates. Crazy, huh?

Good luck mastering HTML!</i>

Seriously, what farking role in anything did PoliSci majors play a part?


Kind of off topic, but did you know that Mitt got an F in political science? I read about it in Oprah's magazine while waiting to get my wisdom tooth pulled.. motherfarker did that shiat hurt.
 
2012-10-06 05:09:47 AM

muck4doo: If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?


Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?
 
2012-10-06 05:12:19 AM

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?


Try coming up with a real news site. Not your favorite political hack blog.
 
2012-10-06 05:13:42 AM

muck4doo: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?

Try coming up with a real news site. Not your favorite political hack blog.


Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?
 
2012-10-06 05:14:50 AM

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?

Try coming up with a real news site. Not your favorite political hack blog.

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?


Should i get a Breitbart link to argue with the stupidity you posted?
 
2012-10-06 05:16:33 AM

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?

Try coming up with a real news site. Not your favorite political hack blog.

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?


If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.
 
2012-10-06 05:17:29 AM
TPM should have your talking point memo ready.
 
2012-10-06 05:19:20 AM

muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.


If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from being you.
 
2012-10-06 05:21:47 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from being you.


Sorry i broke your heart, you Daily Kooks, Groupthinkprogress, and DUmmy fan. Don't worry. TPM will tell you what to say very soon. Keep the faith!
 
2012-10-06 05:23:08 AM

muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.


Then I'm giving you an easy slam dunk. Which of the 27 do you claim is wrong?
 
2012-10-06 05:26:40 AM

muck4doo: Lenny_da_Hog: muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from being you.

Sorry i broke your heart, you Daily Kooks, Groupthinkprogress, and DUmmy fan. Don't worry. TPM will tell you what to say very soon. Keep the faith!


Thanks, Mr. Goebbels. I'll keep that in mind.
 
2012-10-06 05:28:23 AM
Lenny and Why Not guy, sing along!

Our blog is an awesome blog
It reigns from heaven above
With wisdom, power, and love
Our blog is an awesome blog!


Thinkprogress.com for troof!
 
2012-10-06 05:30:41 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: muck4doo: Lenny_da_Hog: muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from being you.

Sorry i broke your heart, you Daily Kooks, Groupthinkprogress, and DUmmy fan. Don't worry. TPM will tell you what to say very soon. Keep the faith!

Thanks, Mr. Goebbels. I'll keep that in mind.


LULZ! Godwins for your fail. Take your idiot pet "Why Not Guy" with you.

The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.

Then I'm giving you an easy slam dunk. Which of the 27 do you claim is wrong?


He's still proclaiming your blog as troof.
 
2012-10-06 05:32:38 AM

muck4doo: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7366653/79841551#c79841551" target="_blank">Lenny_da_Hog</a>:</b> <i>muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from being you.</i>

Sorry i broke your heart, you Daily Kooks, Groupthinkprogress, and DUmmy fan. Don't worry. TPM will tell you what to say very soon. Keep the faith!



I get all my news from monitors at gas stations.
 
2012-10-06 05:34:11 AM

muck4doo: Lenny and Why Not guy, sing along!

Our blog is an awesome blog
It reigns from heaven above
With wisdom, power, and love
Our blog is an awesome blog!

Thinkprogress.com for troof!


Where did I bring up any of those things, Tokyo Rose? It's just that you suck worse than any of those blogs when it comes to sources. All you can do these days is get drunk and paint with broad brushes.

If you don't care about facts, at least try to be witty. You're just making Fark suck.
 
2012-10-06 05:35:19 AM

Theory Of Null: muck4doo: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7366653/79841551#c79841551" target="_blank">Lenny_da_Hog</a>:</b> <i>muck4doo: If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from the GroupThinkProgress, Daily Kooks, and DUmmy threads.

If you want to be taken seriously, you should refrain from being you.</i>

Sorry i broke your heart, you Daily Kooks, Groupthinkprogress, and DUmmy fan. Don't worry. TPM will tell you what to say very soon. Keep the faith!


I get all my news from monitors at gas stations.


They sell newspapers. That's bad. You need to get troof from ThinkProgress.com
 
2012-10-06 05:36:08 AM

Kazan: are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"


Jesus, he didn't do THAT bad, I don't get all of this "bombed" and "cratered" shiat. So he didn't blow Romney away. Big deal, I wouldn't exactly say that Romney came out of this shining either, he just kept making empty promises, walked all over the moderator(Yeah Obama stepped on the guy, too, but nowhere near what Romney did), and still didn't define any of his "plans". All Romney started doing was enumerating his bullshiat, so it sounded like he had a plan.

As for the article, I don't see any issue with it. Subby seems to be getting a hard on, but as a tactic, it makes sense for an incumbent, especially when dealing with a flip flopper like Romney. If they re-staged the debate tomorrow, Romney would walk back 90% of what he said, because even he can't keep up with his latest position on ANYthing...
 
2012-10-06 05:38:07 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: muck4doo: Lenny and Why Not guy, sing along!

Our blog is an awesome blog
It reigns from heaven above
With wisdom, power, and love
Our blog is an awesome blog!

Thinkprogress.com for troof!

Where did I bring up any of those things, Tokyo Rose? It's just that you suck worse than any of those blogs when it comes to sources. All you can do these days is get drunk and paint with broad brushes.

If you don't care about facts, at least try to be witty. You're just making Fark suck.


Awesome! I am the Nazis and Imperial Japan now according to you. The only thing that sucks is is you. Try to be original sometime. Call me Gilgamesh or something next time.

/Sorry i hurt your feelings about your troof blog
 
2012-10-06 05:46:16 AM

muck4doo: derpppppderpderpitydooooooooooooooo


Can't get facts straight, can't be an entertaining troll. If you don't pick up your game, they aren't going to renew your green card.
 
2012-10-06 05:46:44 AM

muck4doo: /Sorry i hurt your feelings about your troof blog


Sorry you don't care about the United States.
 
2012-10-06 05:47:59 AM

Coco LaFemme: That wasn't Obama's best debate; he appeared bewildered at the sudden 180 from Romney


And yet we'll keep arguing about the "long game" until this election is over. The farker was simply caught off guard. Remember, if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, bombard them with bullsh*t.This is precisely what Romney did.

I'm sick of hearing about rope-a-dope when the clear reality is that Obama was dealt a dirty, but winning hand. Was it fair? Nope. Romney negated 18 months of rhetoric in one night. Should Obama have expected it? Perhaps. Is he the silver-tongued devil we all like to believe he is? In some arenas, but not Wednesday night. And Turkey/Syria is no excuse. This sh*t was on his calendar forever. Real badasses don't get distracted, no matter the problem.

A bright spot: One of my teabagging co-workers actually read an AP article outside the bubble and concluded that Romney is a congenital liar. She claims to be voting Obama because she's so insulted. Granted, tomorrow Obama may be a communist again - no telling with these folks.
 
2012-10-06 05:49:47 AM

ghare: muck4doo: derpppppderpderpitydooooooooooooooo

Can't get facts straight, can't be an entertaining troll. If you don't pick up your game, they aren't going to renew your green card.


I'll get over my Mexicaniness sometime for you. I know brown people offend you so much.

Lenny_da_Hog: muck4doo: /Sorry i hurt your feelings about your troof blog

Sorry you don't care about the United States.


Of course not. I am Hitler and tokyo rose for daring to disagree with your favorite troof blog.
 
2012-10-06 05:55:58 AM
If you can't negate the message, shoot the messenger!
 
2012-10-06 05:56:20 AM

ghare: muck4doo: derpppppderpderpitydooooooooooooooo

Can't get facts straight, can't be an entertaining troll. If you don't pick up your game, they aren't going to renew your green card.


Meh, he's alright in the sports tab. Not a troll. Just an asshole.
 
2012-10-06 05:56:49 AM

Summoner101: If you can't negate the message, shoot the messenger!


Your blog sucks. I'm not even giving it a click.
 
2012-10-06 05:58:25 AM

dickfreckle: ghare: muck4doo: derpppppderpderpitydooooooooooooooo

Can't get facts straight, can't be an entertaining troll. If you don't pick up your game, they aren't going to renew your green card.

Meh, he's alright in the sports tab. Not a troll. Just an asshole.


No, not an asshole. I am Hitler and Tokyo Rose, because i don't read ThinkProgress. Com

/Get it right
 
2012-10-06 06:12:28 AM

muck4doo: because i don't read ThinkProgress. Com


Dude, even I don't read ThinkProgress, and I'm a fire-spitting libtard, That site sucks.
 
2012-10-06 06:15:12 AM

simplicimus: Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget.


So you're going to call Romney out on the things he's said about budgets and job creation?

And you're probably not even going to think twice about how foolish you're going to sound if you're doing that... While supporting Obama.

In 2008 Obama was either the biggest liar you ever hard speak on the budget or he was the biggest damn fool you ever witnessed. You may pick which one.

But really! This time he's going to cut the deficit! No really! He will! We swear! Just vote for him again and THIS time it will be different.
 
2012-10-06 06:21:31 AM
Yeah, Obama "losing" the debate is totally an actual real thing that happened and definitely not the fevered imaginations of people that didn't even bother watching and only heard about it from cable news (which is universally selling the story that he lost and has planned to since august because, y'know, close race = ad money, clear victor = no ad money).

Yeah, "lost". We're going with that now I guess.

randomjsa: But really! This time he's going to cut the deficit! No really! He will! We swear! Just vote for him again and THIS time it will be different.


Well, he did it in his first term, fairly significantly actually. Maybe not as much as some of us would like, but still, he's the first to actually reduce the deficit in closing on, what, half a century? Better than nothing.
 
2012-10-06 06:22:31 AM
www.mediaite.com
Epic Meltdown Over Obama Performance.
 
2012-10-06 06:22:53 AM
OK, I'm just gonna ask - are you awake because you have a paper route, or have you been drinking all night?

Btw, we're all still waiting on those "loopholes" Romney bullsh*tted mentioned. I mean, since we're asking questions that have no answers.

I am sorry that you can't rely on reason to understand why the Democrat is most likely to cut the deficit, or why the deficit is where it's at in the first place.
 
2012-10-06 06:27:05 AM

dickfreckle: Btw, we're all still waiting on those "loopholes" Romney bullsh*tted mentioned. I mean, since we're asking questions that have no answers.


Warren, a Democrat running against incumbent Republican Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, says in her ad, "Today, Washington lets big corporations like GE pay nothing - zero - in taxes, while kids are left drowning in debt to get an education. This isn't about economics; it's about our values."
 
2012-10-06 06:32:32 AM
"This is somebody who, at his core, wants to have smart, rational conversations that result in people using common sense. He's not a fire-breathing divider," said Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, the vice chairman of the Democratic National Committee. "He's not a person who necessarily loves or lives in the world of radical attack politics," Rybak said.

But I was told he was the most divisive President evar, schooled in Chicago-style radical attack politics and classic Alinskyist terror tactics!
 
2012-10-06 06:35:02 AM

smitty04: dickfreckle: Btw, we're all still waiting on those "loopholes" Romney bullsh*tted mentioned. I mean, since we're asking questions that have no answers.

Warren, a Democrat running against incumbent Republican Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, says in her ad, "Today, Washington lets big corporations like GE pay nothing - zero - in taxes, while kids are left drowning in debt to get an education. This isn't about economics; it's about our values."


The question isn't that they exist. The question is which ones- specifically- is he going to remove?

/Hint: A Palinesque "All of Them" is not an appropriate answer
 
2012-10-06 06:57:18 AM

ryarger: smitty04: dickfreckle: Btw, we're all still waiting on those "loopholes" Romney bullsh*tted mentioned. I mean, since we're asking questions that have no answers.

Warren, a Democrat running against incumbent Republican Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, says in her ad, "Today, Washington lets big corporations like GE pay nothing - zero - in taxes, while kids are left drowning in debt to get an education. This isn't about economics; it's about our values."

The question isn't that they exist. The question is which ones- specifically- is he going to remove?

/Hint: A Palinesque "All of Them" is not an appropriate answer


A 2008 law to promote development of electric cars qualified some golf carts for a credit of up to $6,500 in 2009, offsetting more than half the typical cost of some models.

After 30 minutes of listing thousands of loopholes, the audience would glass-over.
 
2012-10-06 07:02:56 AM
What's the definition of a flip flop? Let's say it another way, whats the definition of a lying sack of . . . Seriously, champion of the middle class? I had to turn it off half way through Just couldn't take the smirking lies. And the rudeness, Romney talked right over the moderator (who, by the way, was AWFUL both in the phrasing of his questions, the content of his questions and the failure to insist on an answer to the questions. Obama was a bit undone by the blatant flip flop. I suspect he just couldn't fathom the bald faced lying that was going on. Jimminy.
 
2012-10-06 07:42:45 AM
When you're black, your name is Jesus-Killer Satan von Hitler, and you still manage to get yourself elected president of the United States, one has to conclude you're some kind of political genius. I too was appalled by Oabam's lackluster delivery during the debate, but then he got to his closing statement--which he delivered in the same meandering, folksy, g-droppin' manner as the rest of his performance. That is a speech he must have practiced a thousand times in the weeks leading up to the debate. His delivery must have been deliberate.

So if Obama delberately delivered a "bad" performance at the debate, what were his goals? Obama came off as grave, slow-talking and deliberate in contrast to Romney's fast-talking car salesman schpiel. Obama was courteous, Romney was rude. Romney pretty much called Obama a liar to his face, Obama dlet it slide. In what part of the country is slow-talking, courteous deliberateness respected, slippery, fast-talking rudeness detested? Far from losing the debate, Obama may havejust won North Carolina and Virginia.
 
2012-10-06 08:10:43 AM

clambam: When you're black, your name is Jesus-Killer Satan von Hitler, and you still manage to get yourself elected president of the United States, one has to conclude you're some kind of political genius. I too was appalled by Oabam's lackluster delivery during the debate, but then he got to his closing statement--which he delivered in the same meandering, folksy, g-droppin' manner as the rest of his performance. That is a speech he must have practiced a thousand times in the weeks leading up to the debate. His delivery must have been deliberate.

So if Obama delberately delivered a "bad" performance at the debate, what were his goals? Obama came off as grave, slow-talking and deliberate in contrast to Romney's fast-talking car salesman schpiel. Obama was courteous, Romney was rude. Romney pretty much called Obama a liar to his face, Obama dlet it slide. In what part of the country is slow-talking, courteous deliberateness respected, slippery, fast-talking rudeness detested? Far from losing the debate, Obama may havejust won North Carolina and Virginia.


Haha. Amazing what conclusions you can reach when you apply such "analysis". Why, Obama clearly won the debate!

I think the Romney Lied! camp is slightly less preposterous, but don't let that hold you back.
 
2012-10-06 08:34:40 AM
How about this. The guy, as any ex president, is set for life. Why deal with this bullshiat, which is beyond repair when he can make more money giving talks around the world with no burdens.
 
2012-10-06 08:45:53 AM
The contention that these "debates" involve "strategy" strikes me as absurd.
These aren't debates - they're beauty contests. 95% of what is said in them will be forgotten within hours.
The only "strategies" employed are those employed by an actor auditioning for a part.
Historically, the probability of the "debates" effecting the election is extremely low. Indeed, there are so few instances of that inarguably happening that we don't have data to calculate a probability. Suffice it to say that it is highly unlikely.
Much ado about nothing.
 
2012-10-06 08:57:47 AM
Phuqin' FarkLibTard apologists.

Listen, you might as well quit black-knighting the President. He's not going to sleep with you...anytime soon.

/tee-hee-hee. I said BLACK-knighting.
//Get it?
///He's black.
////Vote Hart.
 
2012-10-06 09:10:08 AM
Rope-a-dope is a fine strategy, but when your opponent has collapsed, why let him up? Romney had beaten himself to a pulp and 'Why can't we all just get along?' Obama revived him.
 
2012-10-06 09:15:00 AM
I feel like I'm living through Nixon v. Kennedy. I listened to the debate on the radio and he sounded fine. He sounded subdued. but the content was better than Romney's. I guess TV viewers saw something I didn't.
 
2012-10-06 09:51:57 AM
I think that may be true. It definitely has more of a ring of truth than the "hanky" nonsense (how would hidden notes have helped Romney anyway? It's not like he went into a lot of specifics).

Obama might have just laid low and let Romney run his mouth to let voters get to know the real Romney, to let him stick his foot in his mouth yet again. And if that's what he was doing, it worked. We're three days out from the debate, and all anybody is talking about (besides the ephemera of winning a debate) is Romney's pledge to kill Big Bird.

/of course, Romney will probably say he never said any such thing in the next debate
//but that's just how Romney rolls
 
2012-10-06 09:55:40 AM

smitty04: dickfreckle: Btw, we're all still waiting on those "loopholes" Romney bullsh*tted mentioned. I mean, since we're asking questions that have no answers.

Warren, a Democrat running against incumbent Republican Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown, says in her ad, "Today, Washington lets big corporations like GE pay nothing - zero - in taxes, while kids are left drowning in debt to get an education. This isn't about economics; it's about our values."


smitty04: A 2008 law to promote development of electric cars qualified some golf carts for a credit of up to $6,500 in 2009, offsetting more than half the typical cost of some models.

After 30 minutes of listing thousands of loopholes, the audience would glass-over.


Perhaps, but Romney could have given a couple of examples, like those. He didn't. Ask yourself why.

/answer: he's not going to close those loopholes
//they benefit rich people like him
 
2012-10-06 09:58:12 AM
Give it up people, Obama tanked it, probably distracted because he was thinking about how he was going to bang Michelle that night (it was their anniversary), so Romney, despite being a pompous a$$hole, regurgitated the same incorrect GOP talking points and only thing new was this plan to kill PBS, "won" by default
 
2012-10-06 10:02:32 AM

smitty04: A 2008 law to promote development of electric cars qualified some golf carts for a credit of up to $6,500 in 2009, offsetting more than half the typical cost of some models.


Where has Romney said this? Is this on a website or published plan somewhere?

He didn't need to list every one. He could have did as the president did and list a couple of illustrative examples to show that he did indeed have a plan.

BTW, that 2008 law only applies to "golf carts" that have been made road ready and are put in use in limited access communities. I worked on a GM program in 2003 that was the precursor to this. Lots of elderly folks were provided efficient, affordable transportation that they didn't have before.
 
2012-10-06 10:12:32 AM
Obama lost, it wasn't deliberate, and the person who's winning after the first debate always wins. Let's not minimize this.

However, come Monday, I think we'll find Obama still in the lead. It doesn't have to be a big lead, if he's leading he'll win.
 
2012-10-06 10:16:59 AM

The Why Not Guy: Harry_Seldon: Yes, all my friends are full of baseless hatred, but they have good taste in beer.

Your priorities explain a lot.

Look, I'm assuming you and your pals are adults. Sooner or later you* have to stop blaming the world for the fact that you're misinformed. If you truly believe Democrats are spend-happy socialists while the Republicans are fiscal watchdogs, that means you haven't done your homework and have instead taken what Fox News and Rush Limbaugh say at face value. That's your fault as much as theirs. A recent poll showed that something like 15% of Ohio Republicans think Mitt Romney is more responsible for taking out Osama bin Laden than President Obama. Another 42% aren't sure. That kind of wrong doesn't just happen. You have to give in to it.

It's not hard to see past the bullshiat on either side of the aisle. You don't have to be a rocket scientist. You just have to decide it's worth it to make the effort. Your friends clearly haven't.

* I'm speaking in general here


Not to mention this defense of Republicans comes off as enabling them in the same way a wife defends her abusive husband. Why should we defend the actions of a self-destructive asshole who is robbing people of their rights simply out of bitterness and spite?

This only allows the Republican voters to continue their rage-filled destruction of the country without having to feel uncomfortable.
 
2012-10-06 10:24:33 AM

simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.


All Romney has to do is ask about the facts on Benzghai and Obama will shut down again. Obama is not used to being questioned. He stays in his small circle of confidants and refuses to have real discussions. He has an aversion for conflict. He hasn't had a real press conference in more than 8 months (except for the Univision one), the media treats him with gloves. He is not used to being confronted. Very bad for a president to not ever be confronted. The best presidents have an adversary in Media to fight against, so they don't get too full of themselves.
 
2012-10-06 10:25:52 AM

Mentat: The Democrats will seemingly never understand why Republicans win. It isn't about ideas, it's about boldness. Republicans are bold to the point of audaciousness. They will happily dive face-first into raw sewage and then dare you to follow them. They never admit they're wrong, they never admit defeat, they always lead with their dicks and expect you to follow. You can't trap them in cognitive dissonance because they just happily discard the old reality and replace it with a new one. And no matter how often they do this, Democrats are always left scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.

If Obama doesn't get this by now, I don't know what to tell him. I think he'll be fine for this election, but you just have to wonder if the Democrats are ever going to get their heads out of their asses.


LOL, wow, talk about blind partisanship. Yes, the GOP has zero ideas... you keep thinking that. Think that liberals are the only valid ideas in the universe. It doesn't make you look blindly partisan at all.
 
2012-10-06 10:35:34 AM

dickfreckle: I'm sick of hearing about rope-a-dope when the clear reality is that Obama was dealt a dirty, but winning hand. Was it fair? Nope. Romney negated 18 months of rhetoric in one night. Should Obama have expected it? Perhaps.


That's what I saw as well. Early in Obama appeared to be just quietly smiling at the wall of sh1at coming from Romney's cake-hole, eventually turning dismayed and disgusted on realizing the tactic had traction and that Lehrer was giving it free reign. That was his primary failure. Romney has been campaigning on Obama as a nice, caring but incapable president. Not facing down Romney toe-to-toe played to that perception. Obama has ground to make up on 2 & 3.
 
2012-10-06 11:03:53 AM

MyRandomName: LOL, wow, talk about blind partisanship. Yes, the GOP has zero ideas... you keep thinking that. Think that liberals are the only valid ideas in the universe. It doesn't make you look blindly partisan at all.


The GOP has ideas, the only problem is they're mostly terrible.
 
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2012-10-06 11:13:29 AM

muck4doo: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: The Why Not Guy: muck4doo: If you can't trust Thinkprogress.org, then who can you trust?

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?

Try coming up with a real news site. Not your favorite political hack blog.

Which of the 27 do you claim they have wrong?

Should i get a Breitbart link to argue with the stupidity you posted?


Actually, if that's the only way you can counteract the points made in the article, I really think you should. Please do.

Please post the Breitbart link that responds to the story that Romney misled the public 27 times in 38 minutes.
 
2012-10-06 11:30:46 AM

MyRandomName: Mentat: The Democrats will seemingly never understand why Republicans win. It isn't about ideas, it's about boldness. Republicans are bold to the point of audaciousness. They will happily dive face-first into raw sewage and then dare you to follow them. They never admit they're wrong, they never admit defeat, they always lead with their dicks and expect you to follow. You can't trap them in cognitive dissonance because they just happily discard the old reality and replace it with a new one. And no matter how often they do this, Democrats are always left scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.

If Obama doesn't get this by now, I don't know what to tell him. I think he'll be fine for this election, but you just have to wonder if the Democrats are ever going to get their heads out of their asses.

LOL, wow, talk about blind partisanship. Yes, the GOP has zero ideas... you keep thinking that. Think that liberals are the only valid ideas in the universe. It doesn't make you look blindly partisan at all.


I agree. The GOP DO have ideas...specifically, they'll do the same shiat they did during Bush II's term, and crash the economy. Again.
 
2012-10-06 11:33:58 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


That or an "uppity nigra."

Although I truly didn't expect Obama to lead with his strongest presentation. He's a poker player playing a long game. The most skilled player can be upset by a horrendous run of cards, but in this game the only win that matters is the one at the end.
 
2012-10-06 11:50:38 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: There are so many sad things about those who think Romney won. The wish fulfillment of being able to yell at the Black President for daring to become president, the pointless anger that has ruled their lives for nearly four years, the frustration over Dubya for being horrible enough that now he essentially no longer exists because he lost to a black guy, and the forced joviality over Obama 'losing' because he didn't shout Romney down.



I'm an Obama supporter and even I thought he lost. I didn't see any kind of strategy employed by Obama during that debate; if there was one, it fell completely flat. Any positive outcome from Obama seems to be completely unintentional (i.e. the focus on Killing Big Bird). That said, I don't think Romney beat Obama so much Obama just did worse than expected, but I think Obama's loss has more to do with him and Romney clearly speaking to 2 different groups of people: Obama to his supporters and undecideds, while Romney was throwing red meat to his wary supporters. I'm skeptical of the long-term impact of Romney's strategy, but it was what he needed for the moment. if it was Mitt's intention to help stop the bleeding from his hemorrhaging campaign, then he has more to show for it than Obama at least in terms of a rejuvenated support vs Obama's support making excuses/having to explain his actions. If Obama did have a strategy during the debates, I think we can at least agree that it's probably not a strategy that should be reemployed, or at least better employed, during the next debate.



I think/hope Obama will do better next time.
 
2012-10-06 11:54:29 AM

CptnSpldng: Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"

That or an "uppity nigra."

Although I truly didn't expect Obama to lead with his strongest presentation. He's a poker player playing a long game. The most skilled player can be upset by a horrendous run of cards, but in this game the only win that matters is the one at the end.


To do that Biden needs to be willing to take on Romney's mush in the next debate since Obama didn't.

Obama didn't need to call Romney a liar in a debate. Biden needs to show Romney's new five point plan that will create 12 million jobs is not new, just the same failed Republican agenda that they have been touting for the last 30 years: Increased pollution, offshoring jobs, faster depletion of resources, weaker unions and tax cuts for the rich.

Point by point:

"One, get us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about four million jobs." Wow what an imaginative idea. How? Without specifics, I can only assume this just means less regulation on dirty coal burning power plants.

"Two, open up more trade, particularly in Latin America; crack down on China if and when they cheat." Trade agreements don't create many jobs. They allow outsourcing jobs to be more efficient. How does Romney intend to crack down on China? Their factories make almost everything we buy.

"Three, make sure our people have the skills they need to succeed and the best schools in the world. We're far away from that now." US Universities are tops, objectively. So you must not like the US public K-12 schools. How, do you intend to get better schools, with school vouchers?"

"Four, get us to a balanced budget." Romney's budget includes a $5 trillion tax cut. How is that a balanced budget? Romney says he will offset his huge tax cut by closing loopholes - which ones? Romney says his plan is revenue neutral. By definition a budget change that is revenue neutral can't reduce the deficit.

"Five, champion small business." There are small business that employ people and small businesses that are actually rich individuals (lawyers and doctors and so forth) who incorporate as a business to limit liability. The typical small business that Romney is pretending to help is your corner laundry. But that laundry is not helped at all by tax cuts. What about the rich folks, treated as businesses for tax purposes only, and who would be helped enormously by Romney's tax cuts? How is giving tax cuts to these wealthy folks going to increase jobs? Current tax code allows them write off all business expenses, such as their personal assistants already.
 
2012-10-06 11:55:36 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?


You can remain calm and subdued while calling someone out for lying their a** off.
 
2012-10-06 12:08:40 PM

Delay: CptnSpldng: Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"

That or an "uppity nigra."

Although I truly didn't expect Obama to lead with his strongest presentation. He's a poker player playing a long game. The most skilled player can be upset by a horrendous run of cards, but in this game the only win that matters is the one at the end.

To do that Biden needs to be willing to take on Romney's mush in the next debate since Obama didn't.

snipped for brevity

I would agree and I believe that Uncle Joe is a smart and seasoned enough politician to do exactly that.

Furthermore, Biden is aware of himself and his position and knows that he can afford to take any 'gaffe' hits in service to the ticket. I cannot believe that anything he does in the VP debates is going to make Ryan more attractive to the few undecideds left.
 
2012-10-06 12:25:59 PM

CptnSpldng: Furthermore, Biden is aware of himself and his position and knows that he can afford to take any 'gaffe' hits in service to the ticket. I cannot believe that anything he does in the VP debates is going to make Ryan more attractive to the few undecideds left.




I also don't think Ryan will be nearly as willing, and probably unable, to spew off the same volume of bullshiat and pull off the verbal gymnastics to defend said bullshiat as Romney did. Not to say Ryan's not full of shiat himself, but Romney comes off as pure snake-oil salesmen on his bullshiat. I also think Biden is more aggressive than Obama ever was and would probably be better able to call them on said bullshiat while still playing up the Obama Administration's policies/achievements.
 
2012-10-06 01:04:07 PM

FeedTheCollapse: CptnSpldng: Furthermore, Biden is aware of himself and his position and knows that he can afford to take any 'gaffe' hits in service to the ticket. I cannot believe that anything he does in the VP debates is going to make Ryan more attractive to the few undecideds left.



I also don't think Ryan will be nearly as willing, and probably unable, to spew off the same volume of bullshiat and pull off the verbal gymnastics to defend said bullshiat as Romney did. Not to say Ryan's not full of shiat himself, but Romney comes off as pure snake-oil salesmen on his bullshiat. I also think Biden is more aggressive than Obama ever was and would probably be better able to call them on said bullshiat while still playing up the Obama Administration's policies/achievements.


Exactly. The VP takes the traditional role of attack dog while the President remains above the fray. It is a tried and true model long held in American politics and we've seen it already just in the convention speeches. If this happens to play to Biden's and Obama's strengths as well, all the better.
 
2012-10-06 01:04:40 PM

FeedTheCollapse: Romney comes off as pure snake-oil salesmen on his bullshiat.


And it's not even Ryan's shiat that Biden will be attacking. Biden will be attacking the old failed Republican trickle down agenda. In a nutshell, trickle down is Romney's five point plan. Trickle down has a fairly strong stench at this point in time. I don't think Ryan is going to bring up the Laffer curve, for example. Link

Although Romney will live and die on that old agenda, Ryan's plan is about restructuring, not killing Big Bird. Ryan wants to live and fight another day.
 
2012-10-06 01:27:32 PM

jojostan: iaazathot: Here are few things to consider:

Research in memory shows people remember the end of a series better than the middle or beginning. The first debate doesn't matter much. Also, the GOP has no real policy.

The best course of action was to let Romney shoot his wad and wait and see. By debate #3, Romney will be reduced to a sputtering puddle, but only if it is necessary.

[img.youtube.com image 480x360]
what a sputtering puddle may look like....


Idk sometimes it looked like he was thinking i should totally bite this guys head off but i have to stick to the game plan...
 
2012-10-06 01:41:17 PM
My wife, registered R, more moderate these days, said "Romney had crazy in his eyes the whole time, didn't like it." Apparently his loudmouth asshole approach doesn't work on all Republicans or moderate Republicans.
 
2012-10-06 01:47:28 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well, he did it in his first term, fairly significantly actually. Maybe not as much as some of us would like, but still, he's the first to actually reduce the deficit in closing on, what, half a century? Better than nothing.


More like about 12 years.
 
2012-10-06 01:50:08 PM

simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: The Why Not Guy: Harry_Seldon:

Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?


McDonalds?
 
2012-10-06 02:50:33 PM
And now, Republican comics:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 03:22:30 PM

Apos: First debate is over. Let's see how Willard performs in 10 days.


No, you see, Mitt won something. they need to hold onto this. its like a shiatting team who beats a really good team. you hold on to that win as long as possible.
 
2012-10-06 03:28:36 PM
Did we ever get a refutation on those 27 lies Mitt didn't tell during the debates?
 
2012-10-06 03:58:51 PM

simplicimus: Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?


Smart ones. I also got a CS degree while pursuing the political science, and could afford to pursue something as a passion.
 
2012-10-06 04:06:48 PM

Harry_Seldon: simplicimus: Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Smart ones. I also got a CS degree while pursuing the political science, and could afford to pursue something as a passion.


Well, I can understand that to a point. My first degree was my passion, German Area Studies. My second degree was Computer Science, in order to get a job. But I didn't care to go beyond the BA/BS level in college.
 
2012-10-06 04:19:53 PM
I blame John Kerry.
 
2012-10-06 04:24:31 PM

dehehn: I blame John Kerry.


I blame Mondale.
 
2012-10-06 04:25:17 PM
The problem for the Romney campaign is it another case of "too little too late." A successful candidate can't run on a "I hate my opponent, and you hate him too" forever. Anybody can say that.

It really is simple. The successful challenger to an incumbent must say "If elected I will ... " and then the challenger must tell what they intend to do differently instead of lying his ass off.
 
2012-10-06 07:04:40 PM

cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: LOL, wow, talk about blind partisanship. Yes, the GOP has zero ideas... you keep thinking that. Think that liberals are the only valid ideas in the universe. It doesn't make you look blindly partisan at all.

The GOP has ideas, the only problem is they're mostly terrible.


They have also been absolutely proven to be counterproductive. We don't need to try their ideas again. Ever.
 
2012-10-06 07:18:24 PM

TheOther: Rope-a-dope is a fine strategy, but when your opponent has collapsed, why let him up? Romney had beaten himself to a pulp and 'Why can't we all just get along?' Obama revived him.


Doesn't make any sense to me. Knock him the fark out, force Romney's big money donors to pull out, make a victory tour through the swing states and right-leaning states, and focus on the Congress races. Now you have to put up with this crap for the rest of the month.
 
2012-10-06 07:56:33 PM

simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: simplicimus: Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Smart ones. I also got a CS degree while pursuing the political science, and could afford to pursue something as a passion.

Well, I can understand that to a point. My first degree was my passion, German Area Studies. My second degree was Computer Science, in order to get a job. But I didn't care to go beyond the BA/BS level in college.


People tend to forget that at the graduate level, there is a lot of "science" in the social sciences that are very useful job skills.
 
2012-10-06 08:53:22 PM

Harry_Seldon: simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: simplicimus: Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Smart ones. I also got a CS degree while pursuing the political science, and could afford to pursue something as a passion.

Well, I can understand that to a point. My first degree was my passion, German Area Studies. My second degree was Computer Science, in order to get a job. But I didn't care to go beyond the BA/BS level in college.

People tend to forget that at the graduate level, there is a lot of "science" in the social sciences that are very useful job skills.


I will take your word for it. I know that with my liberal arts background, dealing with engineers, I was a wolf amongst sheep. My major experiences with post-grads was MBAs, and they were unpleasant.
 
2012-10-06 09:15:48 PM

Mentat: TheOther: Rope-a-dope is a fine strategy, but when your opponent has collapsed, why let him up? Romney had beaten himself to a pulp and 'Why can't we all just get along?' Obama revived him.

Doesn't make any sense to me. Knock him the fark out, force Romney's big money donors to pull out, make a victory tour through the swing states and right-leaning states, and focus on the Congress races. Now you have to put up with this crap for the rest of the month.


Except by letting Romney think he has a shot, that gives him more time to shove his foot down his throat again, and more people will be paying attention. And when Romney makes an ass out of himself, he has a tendency to drag down the Congressional Republicans as well.
 
2012-10-06 09:16:49 PM

Evil High Priest: cameroncrazy1984: MyRandomName: LOL, wow, talk about blind partisanship. Yes, the GOP has zero ideas... you keep thinking that. Think that liberals are the only valid ideas in the universe. It doesn't make you look blindly partisan at all.

The GOP has ideas, the only problem is they're mostly terrible.

They have also been absolutely proven to be counterproductive. We don't need to try their ideas again. Ever.


They aren't counterproductive. Republican policies do EXACTLY what they were intended to do; They suck money out of the pockets of the poor and middle class, funneling it into the pockets of the rich.
 
2012-10-07 03:55:43 AM

Harry_Seldon: simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: simplicimus: Just curious, but what kind of company hires PoliSci Phd's?

Smart ones. I also got a CS degree while pursuing the political science, and could afford to pursue something as a passion.

Well, I can understand that to a point. My first degree was my passion, German Area Studies. My second degree was Computer Science, in order to get a job. But I didn't care to go beyond the BA/BS level in college.

People tend to forget that at the graduate level, there is a lot of "science" in the social sciences that are very useful job skills.


Yeah, tell that to all the people who won't hire me. BA in Anthropology, BS in Criminal Justice, JD in Law...I know everything there is to know about how people function alone and in groups, and yet now I'm not getting hired because "Oh, you don't have your MSW or any certificate in social work." Like that would tell me anything I don't already know.
 
2012-10-07 03:59:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: Yeah, tell that to all the people who won't hire me. BA in Anthropology, BS in Criminal Justice, JD in Law...I know everything there is to know about how people function alone and in groups, and yet now I'm not getting hired because "Oh, you don't have your MSW or any certificate in social work." Like that would tell me anything I don't already know.


I am not going to say that I have not had some lucky breaks in my life. That is something many successful and rich people never admit to.
 
2012-10-07 01:09:57 PM

LordJiro: Except by letting Romney think he has a shot, that gives him more time to shove his foot down his throat again, and more people will be paying attention. And when Romney makes an ass out of himself, he has a tendency to drag down the Congressional Republicans as well.


Which, again, is a fine strategy if Romney were ahead. But doing this now just needlessly drags things out. Put him away, build a mandate by winning swing states, and win back the Congress.
 
2012-10-08 02:22:21 AM
Romney gets pretty agitated if someone (such as Rick Perry) attacks him directly.

Hint, hint.
 
2012-10-08 11:59:30 AM

GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.


I swear to Christ people watched a completely different debate than I did. This was the one on Wednesday, right? Jim Lehrer?

"farked up bad"? How? Romney didn't "fark up" by lying, reversing campaign promises, and smirking every time he told us how bad our lives were? Obama farked up bad by explaining how Romney was reversing his opinions, lying through his teeth and defending his own record in the face of Romney's smears?

Why? Cause he didn't get angry and yell at Romney? Can you imagine the press coverage if our black president lost his cool on stage?
 
2012-10-08 07:37:59 PM

Wayne 985: I feel like I'm living through Nixon v. Kennedy. I listened to the debate on the radio and he sounded fine. He sounded subdued. but the content was better than Romney's. I guess TV viewers saw something I didn't.


It's funny you mention Nixon-Kennedy. I heard the opening part of the debate on NPR in 2004 or 2008, and like pundits have said, I thought Nixon had the better of the opening arguments. But people who saw the broadcast had the opposite consensus.
 
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