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(Politico)   Obama cratered in the debate on purpose because he knows most people don't really care about political artifice. Seriously. No, really. Not making this up. Look, stop laughing -- that's really what this says   (dyn.politico.com) divider line 203
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2012-10-05 08:29:09 PM
uh huh
 
2012-10-05 08:38:02 PM
I thought it was the altitude?

I'm just disappointed he didn't call out any of Romney's lies of flip-flops.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:01 PM
Lies OR flip-flops.
 
2012-10-05 08:44:52 PM
So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?
 
2012-10-05 08:47:42 PM
The Onion rules: 

Link
 
2012-10-05 08:51:12 PM
"artifice"?

Behaps you should use clearer words that the lewd folk will understand
 
2012-10-05 08:58:18 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?


I think it's a little of both, though I do not agree that Romney kicked his ass. That wasn't Obama's best debate; he appeared bewildered at the sudden 180 from Romney, respective to everything he'd seen and heard from him thus far in the campaign. So he was set back on his heels. I think however, your interpretation is most correct. He did the same thing to Romney he did to McCain; sat back, let him charge ahead and run his mouth.

I think that's going to be the real takeaway from the debate. Romney wrote a lot of checks with his mouth that his ass can't cash. I mean, people are STILL talking about Big Bird. For there to be any real worry from the Obama camp, he'd have to utterly tank the next debate......and I just can't see that happening.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:53 PM

cman: "artifice"?

Behaps you should use clearer words that the lewd folk will understand


He's not making it us.
 
2012-10-05 09:03:45 PM
Two things:

1. "Not making this us"? Try to restrain your glee juuuust a bit next time,subby.

2. First debate is over. Let's see how Willard performs in 10 days.
 
2012-10-05 09:10:35 PM
Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 09:13:28 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: So, he chose to remain calm, subdued and to not look to aggressive? Like most incumbents do? A known and widely used strategy.

Let me guess, the Right doesn't believe that. They believe Obama did poorly because ROMNEY TOTALLY KICKED HIS ASS, MAN!!! YEAH, GOP!

Right?


Well, the article here says Obama was trying to be calm and presidential but he came off as timid and disengaged and unprepared. That's Obama's campaign people saying that, not the GOP whistling past the graveyard.
 
2012-10-05 09:36:13 PM
Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.
 
2012-10-05 09:42:29 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.


To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.
 
2012-10-05 09:46:20 PM
are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"
 
2012-10-05 09:55:03 PM

Kazan: are the pundits incapable of just saying "he had an off night, he's a human being"


Apparently not. Although, Obama and I are both smokers, so I see some credence to the altitude theory. I hate being in Denver, because it is hard for me to breathe.
 
2012-10-05 10:08:37 PM

simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.


Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.
 
2012-10-05 10:17:57 PM
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2012-10-05 10:29:44 PM

Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.


My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.
 
2012-10-05 10:38:05 PM
The Democrats will seemingly never understand why Republicans win. It isn't about ideas, it's about boldness. Republicans are bold to the point of audaciousness. They will happily dive face-first into raw sewage and then dare you to follow them. They never admit they're wrong, they never admit defeat, they always lead with their dicks and expect you to follow. You can't trap them in cognitive dissonance because they just happily discard the old reality and replace it with a new one. And no matter how often they do this, Democrats are always left scratching their heads wondering what went wrong.

If Obama doesn't get this by now, I don't know what to tell him. I think he'll be fine for this election, but you just have to wonder if the Democrats are ever going to get their heads out of their asses.
 
2012-10-05 10:45:55 PM

simplicimus: Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.

My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.


No, I don't think it will either. I'm hoping his campaign team better preps him for the debate, though.
 
2012-10-05 10:50:02 PM

Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.

My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.

No, I don't think it will either. I'm hoping his campaign team better preps him for the debate, though.


What's to prep? Obama knows who he is and what he believes in. Romney? Maybe not so much.
 
2012-10-05 10:51:15 PM

GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.


That would be my suggestion.
 
2012-10-05 10:54:31 PM

Krymson Tyde: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

That would be my suggestion.


Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget. But that's harder than talking about Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 11:00:11 PM

Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Coco LaFemme: simplicimus: Lionel Mandrake: Obama cratered in the debate on purpose...

No. He chose a mild-mannered, cautious approach, which was a bad mistake - but he did not ask himself and his staff "how can I do poorly - I mean, really crater this thing" and then follow that plan, and no one is claiming that he did.

Seriously. No, really. Not making this us.

Yes...yes you are making this up.

To repeat myself, the next debate is on foreign policy, and Obama will crush Romney.

Actually, it's the last debate that's on foreign policy. The next one is a town hall debate.

My bad. But the town hall won't hurt Obama.

No, I don't think it will either. I'm hoping his campaign team better preps him for the debate, though.


I do too, but in his defense he does have several other things on his plate.
 
2012-10-05 11:02:42 PM

simplicimus: Krymson Tyde: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

That would be my suggestion.

Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget. But that's harder than talking about Big Bird.


Big Bird is what's playing now. Plus it really illustrates how out of touch with the American public and the federal budget Romney is.
 
2012-10-05 11:09:31 PM

Krymson Tyde: simplicimus: Krymson Tyde: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

That would be my suggestion.

Or we talk about Romney's magic powers to create jobs or his magic math regarding the budget. But that's harder than talking about Big Bird.

Big Bird is what's playing now. Plus it really illustrates how out of touch with the American public and the federal budget Romney is.


Best I can tell, anyone who watched the debate said Romney won hands down on presentation but lost on substance. The only thing that seems to have come out of the debate, and therefore people who didn't watch it know about, is Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 11:13:52 PM
By Alexander Burns and Glenn Thrush and Maggie Haberman

*jerkoff motion*
 
2012-10-05 11:15:39 PM

GAT_00: Best I can tell, anyone who watched the debate said Romney won hands down on presentation but lost on substance. The only thing that seems to have come out of the debate, and therefore people who didn't watch it know about, is Big Bird.


"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshiat", I kept coming back to that while watching Mitt on Wednesday. His bullshiat was so baffling it even through Obama off.
 
2012-10-05 11:16:06 PM
It was a cunning strategy from the start! And I know this because I have facts to back this up.

Facts and citations from countless reputable sources! Yes, let me just go get those for you...

*runs out and slams door*
 
2012-10-05 11:16:20 PM
threw. damnit.
 
2012-10-05 11:17:02 PM
Here are few things to consider:

Research in memory shows people remember the end of a series better than the middle or beginning. The first debate doesn't matter much. Also, the GOP has no real policy.

The best course of action was to let Romney shoot his wad and wait and see. By debate #3, Romney will be reduced to a sputtering puddle, but only if it is necessary.
 
2012-10-05 11:18:06 PM
What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"
 
2012-10-05 11:19:03 PM
if you care about facts: Obama won
if you think of debates as shiat talking contests: Romney won
since the Internet has devolved debating into shiat talking contests, Romney clearly won too bad libs. make more excuses maybe someone will believe them
 
2012-10-05 11:20:46 PM
Also, if I had my druthers " game changer" would be struck from our lexicon.
 
2012-10-05 11:20:58 PM
Hey I'll buy it. Because I refuse to believe Mittens is a better speaker and has better ideas than Obama.
 
2012-10-05 11:24:46 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


Unless you're Sam Jackson or Dr. Dre.
 
2012-10-05 11:25:51 PM
In retrospect it might have been a good choice that Obama did not bring up the 47% video. The disappointed Romney people must have surely expected it, so they trotted Romney over to Fox for a lame apology (although not TRULY an apology) to an audience 1/10 the size who watched the debate.
 
2012-10-05 11:26:21 PM
Imagine that, Bain Capital, Romney's company, bankrupts businesses for the same reason.
/and gets away with it too
 
2012-10-05 11:26:56 PM

GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.


...you're taking the debate as though it meant something. It doesn't. It didn't sway one mind to or from either candidate, and none of the other debates will, either. This is all for ratings.
 
2012-10-05 11:27:32 PM
FTA:

But as a result, Obama allowed Romney to set the terms for much of their Wednesday night faceoff at the University of Denver. Startling his supporters, Obama did not deliver almost any of the sharpest attacks that have defined his campaign against Romney, dwelling instead on missing details from Romney's policy proposals. The former Massachusetts governor's private-equity background, controversial personal finances, views on social issues and recently reported comments, disparaging Americans who do not pay income taxes, went entirely unmentioned.

How that translated into Obama taking a dive on the debate I don't know.
 
2012-10-05 11:29:06 PM

Mentat: Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"

Unless you're Sam Jackson or Dr. Dre.


Not to mention Tiny "Zeus"Lister,Jr. or,to a lesser extent,Morris Chestnut.
 
2012-10-05 11:29:43 PM

Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"


That was my impression after the debate. I think its important to realize that this was the first time a lot of people even payed attention to the president since he was elected and this was a reintroduction for the "low information voters" (stupid people). It's an unfortunate truth, but an aggressive black man is threatening for a sizable portion of the population.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:03 PM

GBmanNC: Mrs.Sharpier: What bothers me because it might actually be true is that his campaign was all " don't be an angry black man"

That was my impression after the debate. I think its important to realize that this was the first time a lot of people even payed attention to the president since he was elected and this was a reintroduction for the "low information voters" (stupid people). It's an unfortunate truth, but an aggressive black man is threatening for a sizable portion of the population.


Nah, he opens up the town hall debate with "Where the white women at?"
 
2012-10-05 11:40:04 PM
Just let the Fark Independents have their moment. It's been tough for them. We'll see who really won that debate on election day.
 
2012-10-05 11:43:17 PM
Who is laughing?
 
2012-10-05 11:45:46 PM

Magnetar: Just let the Fark Independents have their moment. It's been tough for them. We'll see who really won that debate on election day.


Not America
 
2012-10-05 11:48:27 PM
Maybe Obama tanked it because he's tired of being President. Think about it, 3+ years of no cooperation with congress, hair already turning grey from stress, pension and health bennies assured plus lucrative book deals and speaking engagements from here on out - what, I'm sure he says, me worry? Let Romney fark with this mess, I'm outta here. Aloha and mahalo. Let's see if he phones in answers to the next debate, if so, he may be taking this as an out. Barak, we hardly knew ye, etc., and I wouldn't blame him one bit.
 
2012-10-05 11:48:38 PM
If it were true, Obama knows me.

The American government is now decided by Madison Avenue and sociologists. One of the first major comprehensive neuromarketing studies was done on Obama's DNC speech -- the one that made him a contender before he ran.

I tire of the manipulation, but thanks to a lack of education in this country, we're doomed. The debates are just a depressing display of marketing from both sides, as no Americans are willing to learn anything about the issues that affect them, and just want to cling to logos and jingles while other people control them.

/waves tiny flag
 
2012-10-05 11:48:54 PM
Keep polishing that turd.
 
2012-10-05 11:49:08 PM

IlGreven: GAT_00: Ok seriously, this is really bad spin. He farked up bad. Just say so and keeping talking about Big Bird.

...you're taking the debate as though it meant something. It doesn't. It didn't sway one mind to or from either candidate, and none of the other debates will, either. This is all for ratings.


I'll also add that nobody will remember the first debate after the last one occurs anyway. People's attention spans are so short that they actually think a Republican will be good for this country. Or at least some of the people do. Obama will still be re-elected as if none of the debates occured because folks just don't like Romney very much. And him being filthy rich doesn't help with their impression that the rich screwed us in 2008, and they'll do it again if given the chance.
 
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