If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Beatweek Magazine)   Why I stand with Big Bird   (beatweek.com) divider line 187
    More: Hero, Big Bird, mean business  
•       •       •

4091 clicks; posted to Politics » on 05 Oct 2012 at 7:52 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



187 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread
 
2012-10-05 05:46:09 PM
 
2012-10-05 05:52:46 PM

vernonFL: Try not to get choked up by this video of Big Bird at Jim Henson's funeral.


Hey, not just everyone gets to meet their maker.
 
2012-10-05 05:57:09 PM
If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.
 
2012-10-05 05:59:34 PM
Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.
 
2012-10-05 06:02:00 PM

James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.


Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).
 
2012-10-05 06:15:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).


Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.
 
2012-10-05 06:18:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


That's an unfortunate sign of the times. Back in the 70s when I was growing up, one big bonus for parents regarding Sesame Street and other PBS programming was that commercialization was minimal. Parents loved the fact they they weren't being begged for the new this or that toy.

I don't know why it's comercialization grew. I guess it has to do with cable. When I was growing up, we had 3 regular networks (no fox back then), one local independent, and PBS. Everyone watched at least some PBS. Not necessarily the case now. I don't consider our wealth of choice to be a bad thing, but I do think it has a lot to do with why PBS has to rely heavily on commercialization these days in addition to their pledge drives and government money.

Also, what would an educational network reliant on advertising money look like? TLC, History Channel, etc. No thanks.
 
2012-10-05 06:20:51 PM
Big Bird is Romney's co-pilot. 

img715.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-05 06:22:30 PM
I would suspect that every dollar spent on early education pays off better than any other investment the federal government makes. And that includes Congressional salaries.
 
2012-10-05 06:26:59 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I would suspect that every dollar spent on early education pays off better than any other investment the federal government makes. And that includes Congressional salaries.


Dirty socialist.
 
2012-10-05 06:28:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


You don't even remotely understand this issue. I'd give it a try but it would be like explaining the idea of a snow shovel to an Amazonian tree frog.
 
2012-10-05 06:31:07 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.


Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.
 
2012-10-05 06:34:24 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


Yeah, they should be running Count Chocula commercials and pitching the latest Barbie fun sets to fund their programming. Maybe throw in some Ritalin commercials. It's the American way, apparently.

/yikes
 
2012-10-05 06:35:20 PM

mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.

You don't even remotely understand this issue. I'd give it a try but it would be like explaining the idea of a snow shovel to an Amazonian tree frog.


Brilliant rebuttal of how a highly profitable business needs government subsidies ("I know, but I won't tell you")
Considering that you can't even read a chart correctly, I don't value your help in explaining any ideas.
 
2012-10-05 06:56:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


There was no rise in ADHD. Maybe a rise in diagnoses, but it's not like it was a disorder that never existed before children's TV. It just wasn't widely recognized as a disorder until the '80s-'90s, and there is research being done on it. Saying children's TV causes ADHD is like saying vaccines cause autism.
 
2012-10-05 07:16:14 PM
I schooled a friend on Facebook last night on this very topic.
 
2012-10-05 07:19:29 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


As opposed to say.... Exxon?

Really? Your reduced to taking arms against Sesame Street?

One of the nice things about being a Libby Lib Lib is that when one of our politicians says or does something stupid we get to point and laugh.

/Wiener comes to mind
//if you know what I mean
///and I think you do
 
2012-10-05 07:26:29 PM
I swear some people will defend anything even if it were something as sinister as killing their grandmother to keep from wasting a single government dollar.
 
2012-10-05 07:32:51 PM

Nadie_AZ: I swear some people will defend anything even if it were something as sinister as killing their grandmother to keep from wasting a single government dollar.


This was already demonstrated. Wasn't the audience at one of the GOP primaries wanting to kill a hypothetical grandmother on life support that couldn't pay her bills? The details escape me.
 
2012-10-05 07:42:01 PM
The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.
 
2012-10-05 07:43:55 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.

Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


ADHD affects between 4 and 12% of children. ERHMAGERD
 
2012-10-05 07:46:21 PM
The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.
 
2012-10-05 07:55:06 PM

Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.


I like this analogy.
 
2012-10-05 08:00:04 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.

Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


I hear this argument from a lot of forty to fifty year old Luddites at work.

Funny, because with the ability to jump back and forth easily between focus points, I get about five times as much done as they do on a given day.

People like you generally stand in the way of people like me getting shiat done quickly and thoroughly. You are a thorn in the ass of Americas work force. GTFO so we can start rebuilding the shiat you guys inherited from the greatest generation, used up, and discarded when it was convenient.
 
2012-10-05 08:04:41 PM
You guys do know that the money the Corporation for Public Broadcasting gets from the government doesn't go to shows like Sesame Street right?

They go to their affiliates so everyone can get access to Sesame Street and other PBS shows over-the-air.

Why is this controversial again?
 
2012-10-05 08:05:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.



The money doesn't go to MAKE Sesame Street. It goes to insure that Sesame Street and other quality, advertising free education content is available nationwide. It keeps the only preschool education available to some people in outlying areas going over the air. People in places like Black Oak, AR and Yahzoo, MS who would never have access to anything resembling unbiased world news or cultural offerings like ballet and Masterpiece Theater are the ones who benefit from PBS. The inner city kids in NYC and LA will still get Sesame Street one way or the other, but people with the fewest options and the least access to diversity need MORE PBS programming, not less.
 
2012-10-05 08:06:28 PM

Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.


Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

img.gawkerassets.com
 
2012-10-05 08:07:29 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).


That may have been a concern when I was a kid. Somehow, I don't think TV is the prime suspect today.

/BTW, isn't "lack of attention on one area of focus" one of the skills employers are looking for anyways?
 
2012-10-05 08:08:26 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


Sesame Workshop, producer of Sesame Street, received total revenues of $122 million in 2011, excluding just under $8 million in government grants. Link

Romney want to kill funding for The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which receives about $420 million and funds PBS and NPR. That's a much bigger deal than one children's show that can easily survive without 6% of its current revenue.

Romney was an idiot to mention Big Bird. No surprise there.
 
2012-10-05 08:10:40 PM
Wow, all the bites, including mine.

Well trolled, Tpoc. Well trolled indeed
 
2012-10-05 08:14:47 PM

fusillade762: The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.


Check out this TFD thread from yesterday. You will understand my point I think. Link
 
2012-10-05 08:16:26 PM
It must suck to be tenpoundsofcheese. You come into work and your first assignment is "attack Sesame Street - say it causes ADHD or something like that" and you know it's going to be a shiatty night. tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.
 
2012-10-05 08:17:36 PM

BarkingUnicorn:

Romney was an idiot to mention Big Bird. No surprise there.


No-he's just an idiot.
 
2012-10-05 08:18:02 PM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-10-05 08:19:11 PM

The Why Not Guy: It must suck to be tenpoundsofcheese. You come into work and your first assignment is "attack Sesame Street - say it causes ADHD or something like that" and you know it's going to be a shiatty night. tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.


It's been a bad day for the Right-wing trolls. I mean after the unemployment numbers dipped below 8% completely demolishing that talking point, the best they can do is come up with conspiracy theories of how the BLS numbers are rigged.

It's entertaining and sad to watch all at the same time.
 
2012-10-05 08:19:27 PM
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 08:22:33 PM

mrshowrules: fusillade762: The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.

Check out this TFD thread from yesterday. You will understand my point I think. Link


Yeah, TPoC can shiat politics in any thread, no matter what the subject. That's one of the many reasons I have it on ignore.
 
2012-10-05 08:24:08 PM
I have yet to see the amalgamation of "Romney kills Big Bird" and "Keep farking that chicken, GOP" that I know must be coming...
 
2012-10-05 08:27:54 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Exactly the type of business that needs a started by government handout.


Petard.
 
2012-10-05 08:28:35 PM

Mrtraveler01: The Why Not Guy: It must suck to be tenpoundsofcheese. You come into work and your first assignment is "attack Sesame Street - say it causes ADHD or something like that" and you know it's going to be a shiatty night. tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.

It's been a bad day for the Right-wing trolls. I mean after the unemployment numbers dipped below 8% completely demolishing that talking point, the best they can do is come up with conspiracy theories of how the BLS numbers are rigged.

It's entertaining and sad to watch all at the same time.


Well, and how one poor debate performance means Obama's definitely going to lose to the Mormon robot in a Reaganesque landslide.
 
2012-10-05 08:29:59 PM
What's the big deal? PBS will have to go to an ad-driven model. That sound you hear is the slavering of the toy and cereal industries whilst they orgasm themselves to the moon at the thought of being able to finally crack the until untapped market. Studies have shown (and Jesus agrees) that kids need to see more advertising every day.
 
2012-10-05 08:31:51 PM
It's very easy to say that Big Bird and friends have been integral to the success of MANY more Americans than Mitt Romney ever will or could dream to.
 
2012-10-05 08:35:51 PM
You know that song that goes:
One of these things are not like the other
One of these things just doesn't belong
etc...

Teaches racism to children.

I heard it from Victor Wooten.

Do you really want the government subsidizing a racist tv network? I didn't think so.
 
2012-10-05 08:38:54 PM
Looks like a certain President of the United States might be making a guest appearance on Sesame Street.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:38 PM
"You can run, Mitt, but you cannot hide."

imgace.com
 
2012-10-05 08:40:15 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.


The money Romney is talking about cutting is for PBS to get the rights to broadcast Sesame Street, Nova, Frontline, and a ton of other very-high quality shows that couldn't get enough viewers to survive in the for-profit broadcasting model. It's not just for Sesame Street, but that's the easiest example to illustrate how big a dick move this is.
 
2012-10-05 08:41:01 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 08:43:54 PM

Aquapope: tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

The money Romney is talking about cutting is for PBS to get the rights to broadcast Sesame Street, Nova, Frontline, and a ton of other very-high quality shows that couldn't get enough viewers to survive in the for-profit broadcasting model. It's not just for Sesame Street, but that's the easiest example to illustrate how big a dick move this is.


Not to mention that the tax cuts Rmoney proposes would cost the US far more money than eliminating PBS would save.
 
2012-10-05 08:48:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


You didn't watch the video. The regional stations aren't making that money. They would be forced to go off the air.
 
2012-10-05 08:48:57 PM
America doesn't have enough TV stations and entertainment, so the govt needs to subsidize Public Broadcasting.
 
2012-10-05 08:49:17 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.


That is THE CONTENT. Wow you are stupid.
 
2012-10-05 08:51:31 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).


You are a Renaissance Man, you manage to be ignorant on every single subject you comment on.
 
2012-10-05 08:51:39 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Brilliant rebuttal of how a highly profitable business needs government subsidies ("I know, but I won't tell you")


Umm PBS is a NON-PROFIT shiat head.
 
2012-10-05 08:53:37 PM

Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

[img.gawkerassets.com image 640x360]


Hey some of my ascii porn is huge
 
2012-10-05 08:54:00 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.

Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


That study was from 2004, you don't know what you are talking about, please stop acting like you do.

Can watching too much TV cause ADHD?

Past studies indicate that too much TV may be associated with ADHD. But some newer studies show that time spent watching TV may not affect young kids' risk of developing ADHD.

In one study, experts reviewed data from a national survey of parents, teachers, kindergarteners, and first-grade students. They concluded that kindergartener's TV time was not linked to the chance of having attention problems in first grade.
 
2012-10-05 08:54:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:


He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?
 
2012-10-05 08:54:58 PM

MithrandirBooga: [img.photobucket.com image 600x600]


DID HE REALLY SAY WE NEED TO RAISE MILITARY *TO* 4% OF GDP?
 
2012-10-05 08:55:35 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MithrandirBooga: [img.photobucket.com image 600x600]

DID HE REALLY SAY WE NEED TO RAISE MILITARY *TO* 4% OF GDP?


*spending
 
2012-10-05 08:56:12 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?


Which explains why Romney wants to increase military spending by $210 billion a year.
 
2012-10-05 08:56:32 PM
I have a question. I keep hearing how Romney "won" the debate, I am not going to argue that. But I hear a lot about 2 things from the debate:

A) The outcry of Romney wanting to cut PBS

B) Romney lying about his tax cuts/ not tax cuts.

I haven't heard one thing from the actual debate against Obama other than "he lost". What anti-Obama talking point from the debate is being talked about other than the generic "he lost"?

I am curious. It seems like people really are not talking about anything anything specific. Nothing seemed to have stuck except the points against Romney.

I wonder if this is like a bad action move where you get out of it and go "that was great" but then 10 mins later you think about it and realize it sucked.
 
2012-10-05 08:58:19 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.


Good point. What are Romney's thousands of other bites?

Oh yeah he has none. He in fact wants to spend trillions more on tax cuts, military spending and hand outs to the medical industry.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:14 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MithrandirBooga: [img.photobucket.com image 600x600]

DID HE REALLY SAY WE NEED TO RAISE MILITARY *TO* 4% OF GDP?


Why yes, yes he did.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:20 PM
The best show I have seen explaining ADD (my step kid has it) was "Mastering ADD"... on PBS.

tenpoundsofstupid should google before he types stupid things.
 
2012-10-05 08:59:32 PM

MithrandirBooga: The All-Powerful Atheismo: MithrandirBooga: [img.photobucket.com image 600x600]

DID HE REALLY SAY WE NEED TO RAISE MILITARY *TO* 4% OF GDP?

Why yes, yes he did.


THAT MAKES ME ANGRY.
 
2012-10-05 09:00:35 PM

mrshowrules: fusillade762: The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.

Check out this TFD thread from yesterday. You will understand my point I think. Link


I know this comes as no surprise to anyone, but, Christ, what an asshole.
 
2012-10-05 09:00:42 PM

jst3p: The best show I have seen explaining ADD (my step kid has it) was "Mastering ADD"... on PBS.

tenpoundsofstupid should google before he types stupid things.


He revels in being wrong and stupid. That's the thing I don't understand he gets his ass handed to him in every thread and never has the cognitive dissonance to go "Wow my talking points are almost always wrong maybe I am being lied to".
 
2012-10-05 09:01:57 PM

Corvus: jst3p: The best show I have seen explaining ADD (my step kid has it) was "Mastering ADD"... on PBS.

tenpoundsofstupid should google before he types stupid things.

He revels in being wrong and stupid. That's the thing I don't understand he gets his ass handed to him in every thread and never has the cognitive dissonance to go "Wow my talking points are almost always wrong maybe I am being lied to".


The most probable explanation is that he knows he is lying and doesn't care.
 
2012-10-05 09:01:57 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I would suspect that every dollar spent on early education pays off better than any other investment the federal government makes. And that includes Congressional salaries.


I agree. I was born in 1966, and almost everybody in my Kindergarten came into it with some pretty developed reading and math skills because of PBS (and Jim Henson, in particular). All of us are who were 'advanced' because of PBS continued to be 2 or 3 grades ahead in reading and math all throughout K-8. It wasn't just Sesame Street. SS progressed to Electric Company, progressed to Zoom and Carrascolendas, progressed to a Bill Nye type of science guy show, then all the animal and space and history and arts you could want. Hell, you could even see home repair and carpentry shows, which I dug in 7th grade because I was in a construction class.

As an adjunct to the classroom, the cost/benefit analysis for PBS for K-8, or K-12 for that matter, can't be beat. Period. You'd think a big-time business guy could do a cost/benefit analysis... unless he doesn't really care about the cost or the benefit, and really just cares about cutting funding for them elitist, liberal, socialist PBS people to score election points among the idiot caste.
 
2012-10-05 09:03:42 PM

Corvus: I have a question. I keep hearing how Romney "won" the debate, I am not going to argue that. But I hear a lot about 2 things from the debate:

A) The outcry of Romney wanting to cut PBS

B) Romney lying about his tax cuts/ not tax cuts.

I haven't heard one thing from the actual debate against Obama other than "he lost". What anti-Obama talking point from the debate is being talked about other than the generic "he lost"?

I am curious. It seems like people really are not talking about anything anything specific. Nothing seemed to have stuck except the points against Romney.

I wonder if this is like a bad action move where you get out of it and go "that was great" but then 10 mins later you think about it and realize it sucked.


Romney "won" the debate but no one will care. On top of the negative attention it is bringing Romney and todays unemployment numbers any benefit from the debate is already long gone.
 
2012-10-05 09:03:55 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?


Why not cut military spending? One F-35B fighter costs $237.7 million.
 
2012-10-05 09:04:20 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-05 09:06:02 PM
These - right wingers - are the same people who will claim that "ERMAHGERD RAISING TAXES ON BILLIONAIRES TO 39% WILL NOT REDUCE THE DEFICIT ENOUGH SO LETS NOT DO IT!"

Idiots.
 
2012-10-05 09:06:48 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot.


Freudian slip?

/surprised no one else noticed this
 
2012-10-05 09:07:51 PM

jst3p: The most probable explanation is that he knows he is lying and doesn't care.


You think that's true but it's not. I have meet many people like him in real life. When you talk to them they don't actually use logic to make decisions. It is just a mass of talking points from "their team". When they are shown to be wrong they get mad and jump to a different talking point. What is common among them is they lack an ability to make a coherent argument. A rational person will make points that then support their argument, they don't really work that way. Instead it's just a web of unsupported talking points to support their world view. If you knock one away they just move to the next one. They love to make generalized attacks like "Obama is a socialist" but when you ask them the details like "What has he done socialistic that no other president has done" they just move to another generalization. They really don't get the opinions are to be supported by facts.

It's like arguing with a sport fan zealot of another team "who's team is better" it's more about identify with their team then about substantial evidence.
 
2012-10-05 09:08:48 PM

jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: The best show I have seen explaining ADD (my step kid has it) was "Mastering ADD"... on PBS.

tenpoundsofstupid should google before he types stupid things.

He revels in being wrong and stupid. That's the thing I don't understand he gets his ass handed to him in every thread and never has the cognitive dissonance to go "Wow my talking points are almost always wrong maybe I am being lied to".

The most probable explanation is that he knows he is lying and doesn't care.



This is how all Republicans I know personally operate. If I point out how they are lying they either reply:

1) Your link is liberally biased, or
2) So what, at least it's better than being a liberal


They literally do not care if they are caught lying. It's all about winning. That's the problem with a party that has embraced Machiavellianism. The worst part is when they pretend to be the moral party. Though I suppose it's easy to act like you're moral if you're not really concerned about lying.
 
2012-10-05 09:12:47 PM

Corvus: jst3p: The most probable explanation is that he knows he is lying and doesn't care.

You think that's true but it's not. I have meet many people like him in real life. When you talk to them they don't actually use logic to make decisions. It is just a mass of talking points from "their team". When they are shown to be wrong they get mad and jump to a different talking point. What is common among them is they lack an ability to make a coherent argument. A rational person will make points that then support their argument, they don't really work that way. Instead it's just a web of unsupported talking points to support their world view. If you knock one away they just move to the next one. They love to make generalized attacks like "Obama is a socialist" but when you ask them the details like "What has he done socialistic that no other president has done" they just move to another generalization. They really don't get the opinions are to be supported by facts.

It's like arguing with a sport fan zealot of another team "who's team is better" it's more about identify with their team then about substantial evidence.


What pisses me off is people like that have a vote that counts exactly as much as mine does. "All men are created equally" is a nice thing to say but even casual observation of a group of people clearly shows it isn't true. The people who wrote the Constitution knew this, which is why the President and, in the begining Senators, were not directly elected by "the people".
 
2012-10-05 09:13:16 PM

MithrandirBooga: This is how all Republicans I know personally operate. If I point out how they are lying they either reply:

1) Your link is liberally biased, or
2) So what, at least it's better than being a liberal


They literally do not care if they are caught lying. It's all about winning. That's the problem with a party that has embraced Machiavellianism. The worst part is when they pretend to be the moral party. Though I suppose it's easy to act like you're moral if you're not really concerned about lying.


Yep! I find this to be true.

Once I pointed out to a co-worker that his Obama "outrage" was something every other US president did (in fact it was even better than past presidents) his reply, I kid you not, was "Sieg heil" and giving a Hitler salute as to say Obama is like Hitler.

That was his out from learning he had been wrong to imply Obama is Hitler.

I used to think these people were uninformed, now i realize they are actually crazy.
 
2012-10-05 09:14:45 PM

jst3p: What pisses me off is people like that have a vote that counts exactly as much as mine does. "All men are created equally" is a nice thing to say but even casual observation of a group of people clearly shows it isn't true. The people who wrote the Constitution knew this, which is why the President and, in the begining Senators, were not directly elected by "the people".


It something the logical smart people need to realize that these people exist and realize any amount of logic will not ever change their mind. And I would say they are about 20% of the population.
 
2012-10-05 09:15:06 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?


So you're for increasing taxes on the wealthy by 3.9% then, since every little helps?
 
2012-10-05 09:17:55 PM

The Why Not Guy: tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.


Schrodinger's Paycheck!

/I know that reference because of "NOVA" and "Cosmos" and "Connections" - Thank You PBS!
 
2012-10-05 09:23:09 PM

Aquapope: /I know that reference because of "NOVA" and "Cosmos" and "Connections" - Thank You PBS!


And with your generous donation, you can ensure that future generations will also get that reference...as well as get this free nifty tote bag! 

/Begathon season should be coming up fairly soon
 
2012-10-05 09:24:27 PM
In the next thread, TPoC comes out against puppies, kittens, bikini carwashes and orgasms.

And some of you would probably bite into that too.
 
2012-10-05 09:32:39 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?


When, in order to save space, you delete the 6kb txt file rather than the 20gb game that, not only do you not play anymore, but may not be able to run on your computer due to upgrades, you're doing it wrong.
 
2012-10-05 09:36:05 PM

vernonFL: Try not to get choked up by this video of Big Bird at Jim Henson's funeral.


Damn dude. Being in those things is hard enough as is; the heat, humidity, difficulty moving properly, restricted vision. You can hear that poor man trying not to break down and cry in there. What a trooper.

/tried not to get choked up
//failed
 
2012-10-05 09:40:19 PM
Fact: The CPB gets about 450 million bucks in federal subsidies this year, which goes very far in educating our population (of all ages) and provides very unbiased journalism. The CPB is always struggling.
Fact: The Oil and Gas industry gets about 41 billion bucks in federal subsidies a year which goes nowhere but into executive pockets because those subsidies go directly to the bottom line. The Oil and Gas industry is not having any problems financially right now (or at anytime in the last few decades) other than making sure they can get huge profits.
 
2012-10-05 09:41:03 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?

So you're for increasing taxes on the wealthy by 3.9% then, since every little helps?


I'm in favor of doing away with ALL the bush and Obama tax cuts. How's that sound?
 
2012-10-05 09:41:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.

Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


As a parent of a child with ADHD let me say you and your study are wrong. You cannot equate Sesame Street and educational programs with shows like Sponge Bob or other programs. I personally learned the alphabet, numbers and phonetic sounds from Sesame Street. I fondly remember sitting in front of the television and singing along with the show. I sat in front of the tv with my sons and now grandchildren while they did the same thing. Sesame Street teaches in a more easily absorbed and longer lasting way than a conventional classroom setting. No study can convince me that my own life experience is wrong. My son did not develop ADHD because he watched an educational show. It was one of few times he really slowed down and payed attention.

I have my own theories about ADHD but it sure as hell can't be blamed on Sesame Street or PBS. We need MORE educational programming considering schools stopped teaching phonics. I had to teach my own sons to read and spell because schools went to that "whole learning" crap. Oh Gosh, don't even get me started. Schools and lazy teachers don't teach. Now Republicans want to do away with PBS. They even brag about ending the department of education! God help us.
 
2012-10-05 09:49:40 PM

Aquapope: Fact: The CPB gets about 450 million bucks in federal subsidies this year, which goes very far in educating our population (of all ages) and provides very unbiased journalism. The CPB is always struggling.
Fact: The Oil and Gas industry gets about 41 billion bucks in federal subsidies a year which goes nowhere but into executive pockets because those subsidies go directly to the bottom line. The Oil and Gas industry is not having any problems financially right now (or at anytime in the last few decades) other than making sure they can get huge profits.


Look how stupid you are.

"unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers. Just like fox seems "fair and balanced" to delusional right wingers.

How much of the oil and gas "subsidies" are actually reductions in taxes paid by the oil and gas industry? How much are to incentivize exploration that results in lower costs at the pump than otherwise would be? Protip: cuts in taxes paid to fund govt outlays are not the same as govt outlays.

Seriously, wake up and think. You don't have to be a blindly partisan shill your whole life.
 
2012-10-05 09:50:56 PM

Corvus: jst3p: The most probable explanation is that he knows he is lying and doesn't care.

You think that's true but it's not. I have meet many people like him in real life. When you talk to them they don't actually use logic to make decisions.



If Romney used logic to make decisions, he wouldn't be a Mormon. He actually believes his own shiat because his success in life (not due to him in the least) validates his opinions. No logic needed.
 
2012-10-05 09:52:58 PM

taxandspend: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

How do you train kids to develop a learning disorder?


He thinks because it worked on him and his siblings, it works on all kids.
 
2012-10-05 09:55:59 PM
Mitt Romney can't help to not be an assh*le. Why even say it? Why insult the moderator? Why feed the "I like to fire people" persona?
 
2012-10-05 09:59:15 PM

Corvus: They love to make generalized attacks like "Obama is a socialist" but when you ask them the details like "What has he done socialistic that no other president has done" they just move to another generalization.


This kills me: If Obama were really socialist wouldn't he have nationalized the healthcare industry instead of basically turning it over to the for-profit insurance industry? Somehow this big capitalist boon to insurance is socialist. If he were socialist wouldn't he have nationalized the banking and automotive industries in perpetuity, instead of pulling them up by the bootstraps they should have been death-gripped on themselves? If Obama were truly socialist, wouldn't there be a couple of hundred felonious (or just plain greedy) senior execs looking at jail time if only to let the others know who's the real economic power in this country?
 
2012-10-05 10:05:44 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers


Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?
 
2012-10-05 10:12:49 PM

Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers

Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?


The alphabet has a liberal bias. It puts L SIX WHOLE LETTERS before R!
 
2012-10-05 10:15:26 PM

MithrandirBooga: jst3p: Corvus: jst3p: The best show I have seen explaining ADD (my step kid has it) was "Mastering ADD"... on PBS.

tenpoundsofstupid should google before he types stupid things.

He revels in being wrong and stupid. That's the thing I don't understand he gets his ass handed to him in every thread and never has the cognitive dissonance to go "Wow my talking points are almost always wrong maybe I am being lied to".

The most probable explanation is that he knows he is lying and doesn't care.


This is how all Republicans I know personally operate. If I point out how they are lying they either reply:

1) Your link is liberally biased, or
2) So what, at least it's better than being a liberal


They literally do not care if they are caught lying. It's all about winning. That's the problem with a party that has embraced Machiavellianism. The worst part is when they pretend to be the moral party. Though I suppose it's easy to act like you're moral if you're not really concerned about lying.


I have noticed this too with a few coworkers. Every time I tell someone something I go home and back my argument up with an article I found on Fark. I gave this guy three websites and the next day he says they lied. I told him, you spurt out all these talking points, back them up like I do for you. He didn't talk to me the rest of the day.
 
2012-10-05 10:27:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Aquapope: Fact: The CPB gets about 450 million bucks in federal subsidies this year, which goes very far in educating our population (of all ages) and provides very unbiased journalism. The CPB is always struggling.
Fact: The Oil and Gas industry gets about 41 billion bucks in federal subsidies a year which goes nowhere but into executive pockets because those subsidies go directly to the bottom line. The Oil and Gas industry is not having any problems financially right now (or at anytime in the last few decades) other than making sure they can get huge profits.

Look how stupid you are.

"unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers. Just like fox seems "fair and balanced" to delusional right wingers.

How much of the oil and gas "subsidies" are actually reductions in taxes paid by the oil and gas industry? How much are to incentivize exploration that results in lower costs at the pump than otherwise would be? Protip: cuts in taxes paid to fund govt outlays are not the same as govt outlays.

Seriously, wake up and think. You don't have to be a blindly partisan shill your whole life.


You have no idea what the CPB is, do you? Be honest now.
 
2012-10-05 10:28:12 PM
The Republicans don't give a shiat about the budget or the debt. It's just their way of getting rid of NPR, PBS and Planned Parenthood.

Once they've gotten rid of those things, that'll be the end of their "hard choices" on spending.
 
2012-10-05 10:28:55 PM

Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers

Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?


???? Yeah, I keep a running set of video tapes with a split screen analysis of NPR and fox with a running tally of "bias points". I'd post it but it's about 300 hours of tape. Do you have any examples of public broadcasting always being less biased than fox
News?
 
2012-10-05 10:35:09 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers

Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?

???? Yeah, I keep a running set of video tapes with a split screen analysis of NPR and fox with a running tally of "bias points". I'd post it but it's about 300 hours of tape. Do you have any examples of public broadcasting always being less biased than fox
News?


Do you have evidence that you're not a porn star from Saturn?
 
2012-10-05 10:36:24 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers. Just like fox seems "fair and balanced" to delusional right wingers.


No, PBS injects very little opinion in their journalism. Their opinion pieces are, by definition, biased, but when they say what happened and who said what, actual journalism, it's usually on the mark without anything in the way of opinion or bias.

Debeo Summa Credo: How much of the oil and gas "subsidies" are actually reductions in taxes paid by the oil and gas industry? How much are to incentivize exploration that results in lower costs at the pump than otherwise would be? Protip: cuts in taxes paid to fund govt outlays are not the same as govt outlays.


Exploration should be a standard business expense for the Oil and Gas industry. Does the Fed subsidize Wal*Mart when they need to find more sources for crap to retail (actually they might....)? What about the small business guy when he needs to find a new supplier? The point of fact is that the Oil and Gas Industry is plenty wealthy enough to fund their own exploration. "Gosh, if only we had 41 billion bucks we could expand those oil fields and produce 42 billion bucks a year? Screw K-12 breakfast and lunch funds, screw Sesame Street, we NEED the federal government to survive." Do you ever hear about Oil and Gas ONLY succeeding because of Federal help?

Bullshiat.

By the way, reducing taxes owed is EXACTLY the same as giving away free money. It goes to the bottom line and can be used for anything, considering that all other expenses were accounted for in budgets. Sometimes, those tax cuts may be earmarked ONLY for exploration and development, that just means the company has to spend that much less of un-earmarked money for those things. And some senior exec always needs a new home or boat or plane... and P&L proof that they 'earned' that 200 million buck bonus.
 
2012-10-05 10:38:41 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers

Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?

???? Yeah, I keep a running set of video tapes with a split screen analysis of NPR and fox with a running tally of "bias points". I'd post it but it's about 300 hours of tape. Do you have any examples of public broadcasting always being less biased than fox
News?


So that's a long-form way of saying no.

So basically you got nothing to back up your claims.
 
2012-10-05 10:41:43 PM

Aquapope: Exploration should be a standard business expense for the Oil and Gas industry. Does the Fed subsidize Wal*Mart when they need to find more sources for crap to retail (actually they might....)? What about the small business guy when he needs to find a new supplier? The point of fact is that the Oil and Gas Industry is plenty wealthy enough to fund their own exploration. "Gosh, if only we had 41 billion bucks we could expand those oil fields and produce 42 billion bucks a year? Screw K-12 breakfast and lunch funds, screw Sesame Street, we NEED the federal government to survive." Do you ever hear about Oil and Gas ONLY succeeding because of Federal help?

Bullshiat.

By the way, reducing taxes owed is EXACTLY the same as giving away free money. It goes to the bottom line and can be used for anything, considering that all other expenses were accounted for in budgets. Sometimes, those tax cuts may be earmarked ONLY for exploration and development, that just means the company has to spend that much less of un-earmarked money for those things. And some senior exec always needs a new home or boat or plane... and P&L proof that they 'earned' that 200 million buck bonus.


Sweet Motherfarking God THIS X 1000!!! 

It's about time we call it when it really is, welfare to the oil industry.
 
2012-10-05 10:43:28 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Do you have any examples of public broadcasting always being less biased than fox
News?


Specifics vs. Generalities... How the fark do they work?
 
2012-10-05 10:46:03 PM

Mrtraveler01: Sweet Motherfarking God THIS X 1000!!! 

It's about time we call it when it really is, welfare to the oil industry. wealth redistribution.

 
2012-10-05 10:51:08 PM
Oil and Gas subsidies are about 41 billion and CPB subsidies are 450 million. Cut Oil and Gas 4% (about 1.64 billion) and double CPB (about 900 million) and call the difference (savings of about 740 million) a win for everybody.

Unless the energy industry has somehow found a way to control our elected officials. When could that have happened?
 
2012-10-05 10:58:12 PM
I really don't get the right-wing hate-on for PBS.

Is it part of the "Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em Republican" strategy, or did PBS disparage their mother, or what?
 
2012-10-05 11:12:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers

Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?

???? Yeah, I keep a running set of video tapes with a split screen analysis of NPR and fox with a running tally of "bias points". I'd post it but it's about 300 hours of tape. Do you have any examples of public broadcasting always being less biased than fox
News?

So that's a long-form way of saying no.

So basically you got nothing to back up your claims.


And you have nothing to back up your claims that public broadcasting isn't biased. Your question was inherently ridiculous.

I listen for at least a few minutes each day in the car. Their "news"pieces are absolutely biased. At least on the radio. I don't watch tv news so maybe that's not biased.

Your bias is clouding your eyes (and ears). Sure, fox news and the new york post are biased. People who deny that are idiots. But the NYT and public broadcasting have a bias as well.
 
2012-10-05 11:14:47 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.

You don't even remotely understand this issue. I'd give it a try but it would be like explaining the idea of a snow shovel to an Amazonian tree frog.

Brilliant rebuttal of how a highly profitable business needs government subsidies ("I know, but I won't tell you")
Considering that you can't even read a chart correctly, I don't value your help in explaining any ideas.


Ok, so it has to be profitable for it to matter? Banks are allegedly profitable, yet they, for some reason, needed $700B six years ago...
 
2012-10-05 11:14:53 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: And you have nothing to back up your claims that public broadcasting isn't biased. Your question was inherently ridiculous.

I listen for at least a few minutes each day in the car. Their "news"pieces are absolutely biased. At least on the radio. I don't watch tv news so maybe that's not biased.


If the news pieces are biased, how come you won't post an example of one?

I guess they are biased because that's what your heart is telling you.

That's hysterical.
 
2012-10-05 11:16:04 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I really don't get the right-wing hate-on for PBS.

Is it part of the "Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em Republican" strategy, or did PBS disparage their mother, or what?


It is liberally biased and it costs taxpayer money. You may think that shows like masterpiece theatre and nova are worth it, and you may be right, but conservatives don't. Not really that hard to understand.
 
2012-10-05 11:17:11 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: It is liberally biased and it costs taxpayer money.


And yet you won't post an example of its bias.

You're not helping your case with this.
 
2012-10-05 11:18:02 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Is it part of the "Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em Republican" strategy, or did PBS disparage their mother, or what?


More or less yes.

Because it doesn't parrot Conservative Republican ideology, it must be stopped.
 
2012-10-05 11:19:30 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I really don't get the right-wing hate-on for PBS.

Is it part of the "Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em Republican" strategy, or did PBS disparage their mother, or what?


PBS and NPR tend to give unbiased stories:
"Gov. 'X' said the following: [taped quote] which is seen by some folks as bad. Here's a quote from an interested party:
This may have ramifications for fall elections [examples]"

Whereas biased news sources (especially FOX) will report the same story as:
"Today, Gov X inflamed followers of conservative gubernatorial candidate 'Y' by saying that Gov 'X' sought [very substantiated rumors]. Can this lie be true? Can you believe it, Blond Bimbo?"
"I don't see how it could be, Steve [big, dumb grin] We all know that candidate 'Y' is a good Christian, or something vaguely related to Christianity, so he wouldn't lie. America need a leader like him!... Next, Governor 'Y' points out all of the ways Governor 'X' has sold his soul to the devil, how he gay-married Karl Marx and how he still personally runs an abortion clinic where wolverines crawl in and eat your fetus. YOUR FETUS! Also, why won't Muslims wash? Are they afraid the water will reject them and they'll be appropriately burned as witches? See you in ninety minutes.
 
Kiz
2012-10-05 11:24:42 PM
The Dems just need to reclassify it as "military outreach" and put PBS funding in the defense budget.

It'll be safe there forever.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:21 PM
Man, for someone who is convinced that PBS/NPR is full of liberal bias, it's sure taking him a damn long time to provide us with an example of one.
 
2012-10-05 11:28:46 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I really don't get the right-wing hate-on for PBS.

Is it part of the "Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em Republican" strategy, or did PBS disparage their mother, or what?


PBS offers coverage on certain topics that the right-wing thinks shouldn't be discussed, or should only be discussed a certain way.

Gay rights? Unionized labor? History?

If it's not being told from the right-wing perspective then it's being told from the wrong perspective. A biased perspective.

I really wish I was joking.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:40 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?

So you're for increasing taxes on the wealthy by 3.9% then, since every little helps?

I'm in favor of doing away with ALL the bush and Obama tax cuts. How's that sound?


Like you hate the middle class.
 
2012-10-05 11:43:53 PM

Mrtraveler01: Man, for someone who is convinced that PBS/NPR is full of liberal bias, it's sure taking him a damn long time to provide us with an example of one.


To be fair, reality has long been known to have a veeeeery liberal bias...
 
2012-10-05 11:46:47 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: I really don't get the right-wing hate-on for PBS.

Is it part of the "Keep 'em stupid, keep 'em Republican" strategy, or did PBS disparage their mother, or what?


This is why:

www.eriposte.com
 
2012-10-05 11:47:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: It is liberally biased and it costs taxpayer money.

And yet you won't post an example of its bias.

You're not helping your case with this.


The US should shut down NASA. It's liberally biased and costs taxpayer money.
 
2012-10-05 11:55:36 PM
My nieces, 4 and 2 years old were never really political. And then they watched the debate. Now they are of a mind that Mittens is a bad, bad man. I hope Mittens runs into Animal, Oscar and Miss Piggy in a dark alley one night. Because Fred Rogers is not alive to hug the devil out of him.
 
2012-10-06 12:01:27 AM

teto85: My nieces, 4 and 2 years old were never really political


Kids that age are complete political monsters. Always have some manipulative scam in the works. Little narcissistic farks.
 
2012-10-06 12:02:32 AM

Mrtraveler01: Aquapope: /I know that reference because of "NOVA" and "Cosmos" and "Connections" - Thank You PBS!

And with your generous donation, you can ensure that future generations will also get that reference...as well as get this free nifty tote bag! 

/Begathon season should be coming up fairly soon


Yes, yes it is, and it will get to be 12 month a year begathon if Rmoney has his way about it.
 
2012-10-06 12:05:35 AM

Harry_Seldon: teto85: My nieces, 4 and 2 years old were never really political

Kids that age are complete political monsters. Always have some manipulative scam in the works. Little narcissistic farks.


Some little scam. Like psycohistory.
 
2012-10-06 12:16:45 AM

LordJiro: The alphabet has a liberal bias. It puts L SIX WHOLE LETTERS before R!


And never mind how far (D) is ahead in the pack....
 
2012-10-06 12:20:42 AM

Mrtraveler01: Aquapope: /I know that reference because of "NOVA" and "Cosmos" and "Connections" - Thank You PBS!

And with your generous donation, you can ensure that future generations will also get that reference...as well as get this free nifty tote bag! 

/Abnegation season should be coming up fairly soon


It would be nice to do away with begathon season. So let's give the CPB all the money we can, and tote bags for everybody. Gotta cost less than an unnecessary war with Iran, plus you can carry stuff in the bag...
 
2012-10-06 01:17:26 AM
Dog whistle. This was a dog whistle and I can't believe one is picking up on it.

The wing nuts hate PBS and NPR with a white hot burning rage. They unbiased, fact based reporting and shows that do not feel the need to acknowledge climate change deniers and creationists at all, much less present them as equal to the science on the subject. To the right wingers, this is liberal bias.

They also despise Seasame Street and do not let their kids watch it. It's part of the whole liberal indoctrination conspiracy because it talks about recycling as a good thing and that families come in many different forms but the important thing is that they all love each other.

Wingnuts ALWAYS talk about cutting off PBS and Planned Parenthood in the same breath; it's one thing to them. Talk of cutting funds to PBS is them same thing as talk of cutting PP.

The latest version of the Romneybot is trying to move toward the middle. The PBS comment was a wink to the far right, letting them know he's still with them. He got to tell them he'll eliminate funding to PP without actually strirring that pot.

I think he underestimated people's love of SS and the muppets or the way pop culture and the internet work. The impression of the debate and what will be remembered is Big Bird.

Good night and don't eat cookies in bed.
 
2012-10-06 01:31:05 AM
I would give my entire retirement fund to the John Birch Society if President Obama would say to Mitt Romney, "You one sorry ass lying racist cracker, why don't you get my 47% black ass a cup of coffee."
 
2012-10-06 01:36:15 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: It is liberally biased and it costs taxpayer money.


They report facts that are unflattering to The Party, therefore they are 'biased.' Only news agencies that dutifully praise The Party while demonizing The Other can be considered truthful, fair, and balanced.

I swear, ol' Leonid is still having that gut laugh.
 
2012-10-06 01:44:42 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


Exxon makes 16 billion a year doesn't pay any taxes and get government handouts. So what was your point?
 
2012-10-06 02:10:59 AM

Phins: I think he underestimated people's love of SS and the muppets or the way pop culture and the internet work. The impression of the debate and what will be remembered is Big Bird.


No kidding. Two days later, and everything else has already been forgotten - whether or not Romney "Won," that one line blew it.
 
2012-10-06 02:12:06 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers

Do you have examples of PBS showing the same bias for the left that Fox News does for the right?

???? Yeah, I keep a running set of video tapes with a split screen analysis of NPR and fox with a running tally of "bias points". I'd post it but it's about 300 hours of tape. Do you have any examples of public broadcasting always being less biased than fox
News?


Do it. Here. Either post in this thread or, better, submit it and get it greenlit and I'll sift through it. It'll take a while, but it'll be worth it to see one of you jackoffs actually presenting evidence for your claims.
 
2012-10-06 02:32:45 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-06 02:45:52 AM
i288.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 03:53:03 AM
I'm a right-winger, and my kids watch only PBS. I certainly support it's continued existence- but not enough to vote for president zero. I'd certainly write my congress critters and the next president in support of the kid's programming.

The partisanship in the kid's shows is essentially non-existent, anyway. America's leftists can't be bothered to have kids (go ahead, check), so PBS is quite aware they need to keep the right wingers happy when it comes to kid's shows.
 
2012-10-06 04:57:16 AM

dfenstrate: I'm a right-winger, and my kids watch only PBS. I certainly support it's continued existence- but not enough to vote for president zero. I'd certainly write my congress critters and the next president in support of the kid's programming.

The partisanship in the kid's shows is essentially non-existent, anyway. America's leftists can't be bothered to have kids (go ahead, check), so PBS is quite aware they need to keep the right wingers happy when it comes to kid's shows.


Or maybe 'Leftists' don't care to try to indoctrinate kids.
 
2012-10-06 05:17:36 AM
The right wingers who seek to eliminate PBS *want* kids to be stupid, so they can grow up to vote Republican! An educated population is the worst enemy of a GOP fundamentalist.
 
2012-10-06 05:49:46 AM
When PBS delivers a night at the symphony, let's just say that airing music on television isn't something that advertisers line up to get behind (ever wonder why MTV rarely shows music videos anymore?)

Because they killed the farking goose that laid the golden egg, that's why... For about 15 years, you couldn't chart a song without it getting play on MTv. Vanilla Ice was actually a rare exception to that, he was the first "artist" since MTv had hit the scene to get a #1 without playing on MTv first. His video was playing on some 99 cent per request video channel that existed for a year or so. Otherwise, MTv dominated the music industry, and it was THEIR stupid choice to focus on "shows" rather than videos that turned them into the irrelevant P.O.S. they are today, not the fact that nobody wanted to see music.

OK, that rant is over. Romney's PBS thing is just another example of a GOP talking point that sounds good when spoken to a crowd, but really is NOT a source of government waste. It makes an easy target, but is a fraction of a drop in the bucket that goes on to fill the swimming pool of our government spending. This article is spot on.
 
2012-10-06 06:18:39 AM

Summercat: dfenstrate: I'm a right-winger, and my kids watch only PBS. I certainly support it's continued existence- but not enough to vote for president zero. I'd certainly write my congress critters and the next president in support of the kid's programming.

The partisanship in the kid's shows is essentially non-existent, anyway. America's leftists can't be bothered to have kids (go ahead, check), so PBS is quite aware they need to keep the right wingers happy when it comes to kid's shows.

Or maybe 'Leftists' don't care to try to indoctrinate kids.


They don't at PBS kids. Elsewhere? Heh. You clearly aren't paying attention.
 
2012-10-06 06:23:06 AM
So, if I use a puppet to shore up my argument, people will be more sympathetic to my minority viewpoint? Maybe if I pout and baby-talk that will help, too.

America, land of mature discourse.
 
2012-10-06 06:29:56 AM

CokeBear: The right wingers who seek to eliminate PBS *want* kids to be stupid, so they can grow up to vote Republican! An educated population is the worst enemy of a GOP fundamentalist.


The conceit that leftists are the party of the educated and intelligent is unsupported, and is merely repeated constantly so the tribe accepts it as true without any sort of evaluation. Having accepted this unsupported premise, they are relieved from further thought on the matter, and may now be deployed to attack.
Now, the conceit that leftists are the party of the compassionate is supported- if you only examine intent, and not results.
 
2012-10-06 06:30:51 AM

dfenstrate: They don't at PBS kids. Elsewhere? Heh. You clearly aren't paying attention.


You do know that "Leftists" in America are known as "Centre-right moderates" in most other countries, yes?

Hell, I consider myself to be a centre-right moderate.
 
2012-10-06 06:36:00 AM

dfenstrate: The conceit that leftists are the party of the educated and intelligent is unsupported, and is merely repeated constantly so the tribe accepts it as true without any sort of evaluation. Having accepted this unsupported premise, they are relieved from further thought on the matter, and may now be deployed to attack.


Rick Santorum (D), noted radical leftist.
 
2012-10-06 06:54:45 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


So you're a troll, and I try not to respond to trolls. But the argument you're making is almost reasonable enough that it might convince some hapless lurker, so I feel obligated to respond.

Yes, by itself Sesame Street is probably fairly capable of taking care of itself at this point, but Sesame Street is also not all of PBS. If you had actually read the article, rather than just throwing out your paid talking point you would understand that this is about proper educational programming for children around the country. This is about a place for science and art on television.

Doing away with PBS saves us effectively nothing in the budget, but cuts kids further from all of the good things that PBS offers. Just because a show is not marketable doesn't mean it's bad. Mr. Rogers was a calm, quiet, subdued man. Advertisers would have been bored to death by it, but it was also an amazing show that was great for kids.

One more attempt to take important educational programs from the poor.

I don't know if you've seen the state of non PBS children's programming these days; It's just depressing. It is designed to sell a product.

If you can't see why having children's programming that is non-commercial... programming that is not beholden to advertisers is important.... well, I don't know what else to say to you.
 
2012-10-06 07:03:19 AM
Counterpoint: Big bird makes enough money to pay for his own damn TV time.
 
2012-10-06 07:09:50 AM

Mikey1969: When PBS delivers a night at the symphony, let's just say that airing music on television isn't something that advertisers line up to get behind (ever wonder why MTV rarely shows music videos anymore?)

Because they killed the farking goose that laid the golden egg, that's why... For about 15 years, you couldn't chart a song without it getting play on MTv. Vanilla Ice was actually a rare exception to that, he was the first "artist" since MTv had hit the scene to get a #1 without playing on MTv first. His video was playing on some 99 cent per request video channel that existed for a year or so. Otherwise, MTv dominated the music industry, and it was THEIR stupid choice to focus on "shows" rather than videos that turned them into the irrelevant P.O.S. they are today, not the fact that nobody wanted to see music.

OK, that rant is over. Romney's PBS thing is just another example of a GOP talking point that sounds good when spoken to a crowd, but really is NOT a source of government waste. It makes an easy target, but is a fraction of a drop in the bucket that goes on to fill the swimming pool of our government spending. This article is spot on.


Would that be 'The Box'... the place to watch hip-hop and r&b videos if you didn't have BET, since MTv refused to play hip-hop and r&b videos (except Dre and Ed Lover's show, and they had to fight for that)? Didn't know Vanilla Ice was the first to hit number one without the help of MTv, though. That's interesting. Was that before or after the overhaul of soundscan? that time period is a little muddled for me....

The Box was cool. You could watch a video you loved 5 million times in a row because everybody else was requesting it. You could also tell when 'the white kids' were watching it because suddenly there would be like 15 minutes of hard rock, the same time every day. Long live The Box.
 
2012-10-06 08:36:57 AM
Simon Pegg @simonpegg
I wake up and the first tweet I read says Mitt Romney wants to kill Big Bird. What's happening to the world?!!
 
2012-10-06 08:39:13 AM
I'd rather talk about big bird than the exploding deficit, joblessness and cultural decay. Go Obama/big bird (ditch Biden)
 
2012-10-06 08:44:45 AM

Proteios1: I'd rather talk about big bird than the exploding deficit, joblessness and cultural decay. Go Obama/big bird (ditch Biden)


If the GOP had the adults in charge, maybe we could discuss them, but until then, Big Bird seems more on their level.
 
2012-10-06 09:13:31 AM

Corvus: MithrandirBooga: This is how all Republicans I know personally operate. If I point out how they are lying they either reply:

1) Your link is liberally biased, or
2) So what, at least it's better than being a liberal


They literally do not care if they are caught lying. It's all about winning. That's the problem with a party that has embraced Machiavellianism. The worst part is when they pretend to be the moral party. Though I suppose it's easy to act like you're moral if you're not really concerned about lying.

Yep! I find this to be true.

Once I pointed out to a co-worker that his Obama "outrage" was something every other US president did (in fact it was even better than past presidents) his reply, I kid you not, was "Sieg heil" and giving a Hitler salute as to say Obama is like Hitler.

That was his out from learning he had been wrong to imply Obama is Hitler.

I used to think these people were uninformed, now i realize they are actually crazy.


It's what happens when you let religious conservatives take over. In the same way they decide the bible is fact, and ignore any evidence to the contrary, they have decided Obama is evil, and reject anything that contradicts it.
 
2012-10-06 09:18:52 AM

Proteios1: I'd rather talk about big bird than the exploding deficit, joblessness and cultural decay. Go Obama/big bird (ditch Biden)


So you like fantasies rather than other, darker fantasies?
 
2012-10-06 09:23:21 AM
What's REALLY ANNOYING about the whole "PBS is partisan" is that the programming units go ABSOLUTELY NUTS to avoid ANYTHING that might piss off the right wing.

About the ONLY place I can see where there's any "liberal" influence is in the comparative (non)selection of white men. Basically, if they can avoid using a white male for anything, they will. (To the point that PBS will influence member station production units.)

BUT - the reality of the whole thing is this: WITH "public" broadcasting, you get NOVA, American Experience, Frontline, and lots of kids shows (that do a LOT of behind the scenes research - the idea that Sesame Street or any of the others HAVEN'T spent a LOT of research $$$ on things like ADHD shows that whoever claims this knows NOTHING about the production teams of these programs!).

WITHOUT "public" broadcasting, you get "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo", and "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens". It costs a LOT to produce quality media. Comparatively it is EXTREMELY CHEAP to produce "reality show of the moment".

The other thing where public media excels is fast turnaround on current events. I'm continually AMAZED at how quickly Frontline turns around shows on events that only recently happened. Considering the INSANE budgetary time scales involved (generally we're talking 2-3 YEARS from "I have an idea" to "completed project) for most educational projects relying heavily on soft money, the idea that you can go from "event happens" to "documentary on event" within months (or even weeks) in the PBS environment is miraculous. (Not to mention the miniscule SIZE of the budgets.)

Even more amazing - the upcoming work on things like "second screen" and linked data. There's a BIG PUSH to change the focus from "we're a TV program" to "we're a multifaceted content producer" and while it takes some time for the larger projects to embrace new tech, expect to see a LOT MORE content available (short-form video, etc.) than ever before.

If anything, public media has done a FANTASTIC job of being "leaner and meaner" than their competitors, and if you consider the level of crap that most of the competitors are putting out (it's ANYONE going to care about many of TLC's airings 1-2 years after broadcast?) PBS/CPB/etc. should be see as a "sure thing" in terms of investment.
 
2012-10-06 09:25:58 AM

ursomniac: What's REALLY ANNOYING about the whole "PBS is partisan" is that the programming units go ABSOLUTELY NUTS to avoid ANYTHING that might piss off the right wing.

About the ONLY place I can see where there's any "liberal" influence is in the comparative (non)selection of white men. Basically, if they can avoid using a white male for anything, they will. (To the point that PBS will influence member station production units.)

BUT - the reality of the whole thing is this: WITH "public" broadcasting, you get NOVA, American Experience, Frontline, and lots of kids shows (that do a LOT of behind the scenes research - the idea that Sesame Street or any of the others HAVEN'T spent a LOT of research $$$ on things like ADHD shows that whoever claims this knows NOTHING about the production teams of these programs!).

WITHOUT "public" broadcasting, you get "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo", and "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens". It costs a LOT to produce quality media. Comparatively it is EXTREMELY CHEAP to produce "reality show of the moment".

The other thing where public media excels is fast turnaround on current events. I'm continually AMAZED at how quickly Frontline turns around shows on events that only recently happened. Considering the INSANE budgetary time scales involved (generally we're talking 2-3 YEARS from "I have an idea" to "completed project) for most educational projects relying heavily on soft money, the idea that you can go from "event happens" to "documentary on event" within months (or even weeks) in the PBS environment is miraculous. (Not to mention the miniscule SIZE of the budgets.)

Even more amazing - the upcoming work on things like "second screen" and linked data. There's a BIG PUSH to change the focus from "we're a TV program" to "we're a multifaceted content producer" and while it takes some time for the larger projects to embrace new tech, expect to see a LOT MORE content available (short-form video, etc.) than ever before.

If anything, public media has done a FANTASTIC job of being "leaner and meaner" than their competitors, and if you consider the level of crap that most of the competitors are putting out (it's ANYONE going to care about many of TLC's airings 1-2 years after broadcast?) PBS/CPB/etc. should be see as a "sure thing" in terms of investment.


Well said.
 
2012-10-06 09:26:18 AM

ursomniac: Basically, if they can avoid using a white male for anything, they will. (To the point that PBS will influence member station production units.)


Yeah, I mean, I hate that they use that black guy Jim Lehrer.
 
2012-10-06 09:38:48 AM
is this the thread where all the libertarians who grew up watching Sesame Street, 321 Contact, Dr. Who and Monty Python on PBS say that PBS is a scummy socialist program and needs to die in a fire?
 
2012-10-06 09:49:20 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: Aquapope: Fact: The CPB gets about 450 million bucks in federal subsidies this year, which goes very far in educating our population (of all ages) and provides very unbiased journalism. The CPB is always struggling.
Fact: The Oil and Gas industry gets about 41 billion bucks in federal subsidies a year which goes nowhere but into executive pockets because those subsidies go directly to the bottom line. The Oil and Gas industry is not having any problems financially right now (or at anytime in the last few decades) other than making sure they can get huge profits.

Look how stupid you are.

"unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers. Just like fox seems "fair and balanced" to delusional right wingers.

How much of the oil and gas "subsidies" are actually reductions in taxes paid by the oil and gas industry? How much are to incentivize exploration that results in lower costs at the pump than otherwise would be? Protip: cuts in taxes paid to fund govt outlays are not the same as govt outlays.

Seriously, wake up and think. You don't have to be a blindly partisan shill your whole life.


why should the oil business need any incentive other than profit to drill somewhere?
 
2012-10-06 09:51:36 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: "unbiased journalism"?! Of course a left wing news source seems unbiased to delusional left wingers. Just like fox seems "fair and balanced" to delusional right wingers.


wtf are you talking about? the fact that frontline and newshour etc are free from corporate influence is a good thing. do you think the corporate would do investigative pieces on their advertisers?
it's exactly why you don't see this kind of real news in the corporate media.
 
2012-10-06 10:35:20 AM

Phins: Dog whistle. This was a dog whistle and I can't believe one is picking up on it.


100% accurate, well made observation. The GOP loves them some coded language to fire up one side of certain cultural skirmishes.
 
2012-10-06 10:44:51 AM

Phins: Dog whistle. This was a dog whistle and I can't believe one is picking up on it.

The wing nuts hate PBS and NPR with a white hot burning rage. They unbiased, fact based reporting and shows that do not feel the need to acknowledge climate change deniers and creationists at all, much less present them as equal to the science on the subject. To the right wingers, this is liberal bias.

They also despise Seasame Street and do not let their kids watch it. It's part of the whole liberal indoctrination conspiracy because it talks about recycling as a good thing and that families come in many different forms but the important thing is that they all love each other.

Wingnuts ALWAYS talk about cutting off PBS and Planned Parenthood in the same breath; it's one thing to them. Talk of cutting funds to PBS is them same thing as talk of cutting PP.

The latest version of the Romneybot is trying to move toward the middle. The PBS comment was a wink to the far right, letting them know he's still with them. He got to tell them he'll eliminate funding to PP without actually strirring that pot.

I think he underestimated people's love of SS and the muppets or the way pop culture and the internet work. The impression of the debate and what will be remembered is Big Bird.

Good night and don't eat cookies in bed.


Bullseye. Couldn't have said it better myself. Someone turn off the lights on the way out please.
 
2012-10-06 12:10:54 PM
As a daily listener to my local NPR station, I absolutely love the way they're pretty unbiased. They have people from every political spectrum and the hosts let them have their say. Lately they've had Gary Johnson, Jesse Ventura, and a few others I can't remember.
 
2012-10-06 12:25:28 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: I have yet to see the amalgamation of "Romney kills Big Bird" and "Keep farking that chicken, GOP" that I know must be coming...


A strange vision of snuff sex rises to mind...
 
2012-10-06 01:35:29 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: cameroncrazy1984: Debeo Summa Credo: Mrtraveler01: Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.

Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

He's falling for the misunderstanding that little bites don't add up to alot. Not singling out PBS, but every .012% counts. Ignoring the little things is how governments end up with a $trillion deficit and individuals end up bankrupt.

I thought Tyson was supposed to be smart?

So you're for increasing taxes on the wealthy by 3.9% then, since every little helps?

I'm in favor of doing away with ALL the bush and Obama tax cuts. How's that sound?

Like you hate the middle class.


Eliminating PBS funding would be like a family of four (with a kid under 12 years old) that budgets $50,000 per year on total spending (and makes somewhat less than that, and thus is getting further and further into debt) deciding that the solution is to have the youngster give up one $6 movie at the theater this year that s/he would otherwise have gotten to see.

How many movie tickets would they have to give up to have it add up to enough to make a serious dent in their debt?
 
2012-10-06 01:54:49 PM

Mrtraveler01: They go to their affiliates so everyone can get access to Sesame Street and other PBS shows over-the-air.

Why is this controversial again?


Considering PBS gets its share of free broadcast spectrum from the FCC while private companies have to spend tens of billions of dollars for the same airwaves, along with the fact that shows like sesame street get to merchandise products in the hundreds of millions of dollar range, I dont think that removing 10% of its budget would completely destroy public access TV as we know it. PBS already exists largely through contributions from "Viewers like you" whereas if you like the programming, you contribute to it.
 
2012-10-06 02:04:35 PM

o5iiawah: I dont think that removing 10% of its budget would completely destroy public access TV as we know it.


It wouldn't do anything in terms of programming, it'll just make it harder for rural areas to have access to it because they depend on government funds to the Corporation of Public Broadcasting in order to survive. 

And all of this just to remove 0.012% of the Federal Budget? I'm so glad the GOP isn't afraid to tackle the hard issues, God forbid we do anything in terms with our bloated Defense budget.
 
2012-10-06 02:18:15 PM
i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-06 02:30:40 PM

Mrtraveler01: It wouldn't do anything in terms of programming, it'll just make it harder for rural areas to have access to it because they depend on government funds to the Corporation of Public Broadcasting in order to survive.


So roll the cost of the PBS budget into the FCC spectrum auctions that rake in tens of billions of dollars each year.
 
2012-10-06 02:35:06 PM

o5iiawah: Mrtraveler01: It wouldn't do anything in terms of programming, it'll just make it harder for rural areas to have access to it because they depend on government funds to the Corporation of Public Broadcasting in order to survive.

So roll the cost of the PBS budget into the FCC spectrum auctions that rake in tens of billions of dollars each year.


So, completely change the funding paradigm, all in order to save one one-hundredth of a percent from the federal budget?
 
2012-10-06 02:36:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: o5iiawah: Mrtraveler01: It wouldn't do anything in terms of programming, it'll just make it harder for rural areas to have access to it because they depend on government funds to the Corporation of Public Broadcasting in order to survive.

So roll the cost of the PBS budget into the FCC spectrum auctions that rake in tens of billions of dollars each year.

So, completely change the funding paradigm, all in order to save one one-hundredth of a percent from the federal budget?


I'm just glad someone is brave enough to tackle the tough issues...like 0.012% of the budget.

/Btw, that's sarcasm
 
2012-10-06 02:38:26 PM

o5iiawah: Mrtraveler01: It wouldn't do anything in terms of programming, it'll just make it harder for rural areas to have access to it because they depend on government funds to the Corporation of Public Broadcasting in order to survive.

So roll the cost of the PBS budget into the FCC spectrum auctions that rake in tens of billions of dollars each year.


What exactly is "the PBS budget"?
 
2012-10-06 02:43:06 PM
Another "trolling, or just stupid" moment.

Is this completely inaccurate idea of how much money is brought in by spectrum auctions widespread enough to warrant posting corrections?
 
2012-10-06 03:18:43 PM
This is the thread where some asshole says PBS needs their funding cut, but will call you a goddamn socialist if you suggest taking away the subsidies that go to health insurance companies, oil, natural gas, coal, and nuclear power.

Each of those get over 20 times the amount of money, per year, that PBS gets in public funding. Oh wait, I forgot -- Republicans get donations from those businesses, so they deserve more money.

Also, you better not mention the trillions (yes, trillions) in tax dollars that were illegally stashed in foreign tax shelters to such a great extent that the IRS gave up trying to find them and instead give out tiny fines and forego felony charges if people are willing to admit they committed the felony. Taxes are evil Democrat tools of destruction and we should be grateful that these brave patriots had the courage to stand up to their oppressive Government Masters.

And don't you dare bring up companies like General Electric, who made billions of dollars last year and got a tax refund. That's the American Dream, you godless socialist hippie un-American liberal heathens.

farking dumbass mother farkers.
 
2012-10-06 03:20:29 PM
www.troll.me
boards.420chan.org
 
2012-10-06 03:26:05 PM
This nonsense of cutting PBS funding has been around for years.

Here's a video of lovable Mr. Fred Rodgers in front of the Senate Subcommittee on Communications. from 1969. And he does a damn fine job of explaining of why PBS deserves to exist.

tenpoundsofcheese, how can you back anyone trying to take away something so basically wonderful as the children's programming on Sesame Street or the educational programs on NOVA knowing that their loss would be more devastating than the relatively meager dollars gained?
 
2012-10-06 04:09:54 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-10-06 04:11:59 PM

CraicBaby: tenpoundsofcheese: Explains in part the rise of ADHD.

There was no rise in ADHD. Maybe a rise in diagnoses, but it's not like it was a disorder that never existed before children's TV. It just wasn't widely recognized as a disorder until the '80s-'90s, and there is research being done on it. Saying children's TV causes ADHD is like saying vaccines cause autism.


For some reason, I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-10-06 05:10:20 PM
Why can't PBS live off the licensing fees for all Sesame Street characters? They already have advertising for their sponsors.
 
2012-10-06 05:11:12 PM
Replacement refs in the Duke game?
 
2012-10-06 05:11:50 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Replacement refs in the Duke game?


Wrong thread.
 
2012-10-07 12:21:18 AM
The Bird is the Word, man!

Why does Mitt Romney hate Charlie Parker?
 
2012-10-07 12:34:31 AM

dfenstrate: The conceit that leftists are the party of the educated and intelligent is unsupported


The conceit that "leftists" are a party is sloppy enough to not need the GSS.
That said, the relationship among self-identified political views, self-identified party ID, intelligence, education, and race isn't as simple as some liberal intellectuals would make out. (There's some other variables with strong correlates, too, such as the relative value placed on curiosity.)
 
2012-10-07 04:41:34 AM

Whodat: Why can't PBS live off the licensing fees for all Sesame Street characters? They already have advertising for their sponsors.


Why can't people read the farking thread before asking questions that have already been answered repeatedly within it?

Do people have such a hard time comprehending that Sesame Workshop, the company that produces Sesame Street (presumably formerly known as the Children's Television Workshop, as I recall it being referenced in my youth) and sells the broadcast rights to PBS, is the entity that receives merchandising and licencing fees, as they own the characters?

Seriously, it's not even that long a thread- under 200 comments. Yeesh
 
2012-10-07 07:30:02 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: dfenstrate: They don't at PBS kids. Elsewhere? Heh. You clearly aren't paying attention.

You do know that "Leftists" in America are known as "Centre-right moderates" in most other countries, yes?

Hell, I consider myself to be a centre-right moderate.


And I'm unimpressed, because most of Europe- what you're surely referring to- is swirling the drain, financially and demographically.
 
2012-10-07 08:11:24 AM

cameroncrazy1984: So, completely change the funding paradigm, all in order to save one one-hundredth of a percent from the federal budget?


By making telecom corporations pay for the funding of PBS? yes. Because the revenue mechanism is already in place.

These same arguments are made by you and other libs when the CBO runs the numbers on what the president's tax plan does for the deficit ( slim to nil.) The conservative posters will mention how the tax plan barely cuts the deficit by a percentage or two and how other measures are needed. Cue the outrage about how even a percentage or two is a step in the right direction.

No single raindrop is to believe it is to blame for the flood.
 
2012-10-07 08:38:19 AM

o5iiawah: cameroncrazy1984: So, completely change the funding paradigm, all in order to save one one-hundredth of a percent from the federal budget?

By making telecom corporations pay for the funding of PBS? yes. Because the revenue mechanism is already in place.

These same arguments are made by you and other libs when the CBO runs the numbers on what the president's tax plan does for the deficit ( slim to nil.) The conservative posters will mention how the tax plan barely cuts the deficit by a percentage or two and how other measures are needed. Cue the outrage about how even a percentage or two is a step in the right direction.

No single raindrop is to believe it is to blame for the flood.



You're complaining that we're objecting to the deletion of a txt file, while at the same time you're defending a short low-res porn video.
 
2012-10-07 09:47:33 AM

dfenstrate: Fluorescent Testicle: dfenstrate: They don't at PBS kids. Elsewhere? Heh. You clearly aren't paying attention.

You do know that "Leftists" in America are known as "Centre-right moderates" in most other countries, yes?

Hell, I consider myself to be a centre-right moderate.

And I'm unimpressed, because most of Europe- what you're surely referring to- is swirling the drain, financially and demographically.


Please do elaborate on what you mean.

/this should be good
 
2012-10-07 02:28:17 PM
Lost someone I thought was a good friend over this. Or maybe he's just always been an asshole and it's been a long time in coming.
 
2012-10-07 06:06:30 PM

Mrtraveler01: dfenstrate: Fluorescent Testicle: dfenstrate: They don't at PBS kids. Elsewhere? Heh. You clearly aren't paying attention.

You do know that "Leftists" in America are known as "Centre-right moderates" in most other countries, yes?

Hell, I consider myself to be a centre-right moderate.

And I'm unimpressed, because most of Europe- what you're surely referring to- is swirling the drain, financially and demographically.

Please do elaborate on what you mean.

/this should be good


SHOULD be? Dude, I'm calling this right now: 5 internets says that he's going to pull out the "white genocide" shtick at some point in the conversation, and another 3 says that he'll hang up when someone asks for proof, and 2 that says that, rather than hang up, he'll just keep repeating something about "proof that genocide is a crime", rather than proof it's happening.

/Damn I'm tired of seeing that idiocy.
 
Displayed 187 of 187 comments

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report