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2012-10-05 05:46:09 PM  
 
2012-10-05 05:52:46 PM  

vernonFL: Try not to get choked up by this video of Big Bird at Jim Henson's funeral.


Hey, not just everyone gets to meet their maker.
 
2012-10-05 05:57:09 PM  
If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.
 
2012-10-05 05:59:34 PM  
Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.
 
2012-10-05 06:02:00 PM  

James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.


Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).
 
2012-10-05 06:15:33 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).


Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.
 
2012-10-05 06:18:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


That's an unfortunate sign of the times. Back in the 70s when I was growing up, one big bonus for parents regarding Sesame Street and other PBS programming was that commercialization was minimal. Parents loved the fact they they weren't being begged for the new this or that toy.

I don't know why it's comercialization grew. I guess it has to do with cable. When I was growing up, we had 3 regular networks (no fox back then), one local independent, and PBS. Everyone watched at least some PBS. Not necessarily the case now. I don't consider our wealth of choice to be a bad thing, but I do think it has a lot to do with why PBS has to rely heavily on commercialization these days in addition to their pledge drives and government money.

Also, what would an educational network reliant on advertising money look like? TLC, History Channel, etc. No thanks.
 
2012-10-05 06:20:51 PM  
Big Bird is Romney's co-pilot. 

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2012-10-05 06:22:30 PM  
I would suspect that every dollar spent on early education pays off better than any other investment the federal government makes. And that includes Congressional salaries.
 
2012-10-05 06:26:59 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: I would suspect that every dollar spent on early education pays off better than any other investment the federal government makes. And that includes Congressional salaries.


Dirty socialist.
 
2012-10-05 06:28:59 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


You don't even remotely understand this issue. I'd give it a try but it would be like explaining the idea of a snow shovel to an Amazonian tree frog.
 
2012-10-05 06:31:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.


Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.
 
2012-10-05 06:34:24 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


Yeah, they should be running Count Chocula commercials and pitching the latest Barbie fun sets to fund their programming. Maybe throw in some Ritalin commercials. It's the American way, apparently.

/yikes
 
2012-10-05 06:35:20 PM  

mrshowrules: tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.

You don't even remotely understand this issue. I'd give it a try but it would be like explaining the idea of a snow shovel to an Amazonian tree frog.


Brilliant rebuttal of how a highly profitable business needs government subsidies ("I know, but I won't tell you")
Considering that you can't even read a chart correctly, I don't value your help in explaining any ideas.
 
2012-10-05 06:56:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


There was no rise in ADHD. Maybe a rise in diagnoses, but it's not like it was a disorder that never existed before children's TV. It just wasn't widely recognized as a disorder until the '80s-'90s, and there is research being done on it. Saying children's TV causes ADHD is like saying vaccines cause autism.
 
2012-10-05 07:16:14 PM  
I schooled a friend on Facebook last night on this very topic.
 
2012-10-05 07:19:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


As opposed to say.... Exxon?

Really? Your reduced to taking arms against Sesame Street?

One of the nice things about being a Libby Lib Lib is that when one of our politicians says or does something stupid we get to point and laugh.

/Wiener comes to mind
//if you know what I mean
///and I think you do
 
2012-10-05 07:26:29 PM  
I swear some people will defend anything even if it were something as sinister as killing their grandmother to keep from wasting a single government dollar.
 
2012-10-05 07:32:51 PM  

Nadie_AZ: I swear some people will defend anything even if it were something as sinister as killing their grandmother to keep from wasting a single government dollar.


This was already demonstrated. Wasn't the audience at one of the GOP primaries wanting to kill a hypothetical grandmother on life support that couldn't pay her bills? The details escape me.
 
2012-10-05 07:42:01 PM  
The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.
 
2012-10-05 07:43:55 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.

Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


ADHD affects between 4 and 12% of children. ERHMAGERD
 
2012-10-05 07:46:21 PM  
The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.
 
2012-10-05 07:55:06 PM  

Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.


I like this analogy.
 
2012-10-05 08:00:04 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).

Please, point to this research that claims Sesame Street is bad for young children. I'm sure there's reams of it.

Here.

It is not about the content, it is about the way TV shows are made, including SS. It is frequent switching between characters and scenes that trains brains to be stimulated by quick changes and reduces interest in focusing on things...voila...ADHD training.

Explains in part the rise of ADHD.


I hear this argument from a lot of forty to fifty year old Luddites at work.

Funny, because with the ability to jump back and forth easily between focus points, I get about five times as much done as they do on a given day.

People like you generally stand in the way of people like me getting shiat done quickly and thoroughly. You are a thorn in the ass of Americas work force. GTFO so we can start rebuilding the shiat you guys inherited from the greatest generation, used up, and discarded when it was convenient.
 
2012-10-05 08:04:41 PM  
You guys do know that the money the Corporation for Public Broadcasting gets from the government doesn't go to shows like Sesame Street right?

They go to their affiliates so everyone can get access to Sesame Street and other PBS shows over-the-air.

Why is this controversial again?
 
2012-10-05 08:05:57 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.



The money doesn't go to MAKE Sesame Street. It goes to insure that Sesame Street and other quality, advertising free education content is available nationwide. It keeps the only preschool education available to some people in outlying areas going over the air. People in places like Black Oak, AR and Yahzoo, MS who would never have access to anything resembling unbiased world news or cultural offerings like ballet and Masterpiece Theater are the ones who benefit from PBS. The inner city kids in NYC and LA will still get Sesame Street one way or the other, but people with the fewest options and the least access to diversity need MORE PBS programming, not less.
 
2012-10-05 08:06:28 PM  

Makh: The amount of money that PBS gets from the government compared to the budget, is like talking about cleaning up your house after storm damage and then throwing out the tomato from the vegetable crisper.

/Which is only sorta justified because a tomato is not a vegetable.


Neil Degrasse Tyson said it best:

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2012-10-05 08:07:29 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: James!: If education is a priority in America then PBS should be a priority in America.

Sure. If you want to ignore all the research about how bad TV is for young children, particularly how is training kids to be more ADHD (due to the lack of attention on one area of focus).


That may have been a concern when I was a kid. Somehow, I don't think TV is the prime suspect today.

/BTW, isn't "lack of attention on one area of focus" one of the skills employers are looking for anyways?
 
2012-10-05 08:08:26 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


Sesame Workshop, producer of Sesame Street, received total revenues of $122 million in 2011, excluding just under $8 million in government grants. Link

Romney want to kill funding for The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which receives about $420 million and funds PBS and NPR. That's a much bigger deal than one children's show that can easily survive without 6% of its current revenue.

Romney was an idiot to mention Big Bird. No surprise there.
 
2012-10-05 08:10:40 PM  
Wow, all the bites, including mine.

Well trolled, Tpoc. Well trolled indeed
 
2012-10-05 08:14:47 PM  

fusillade762: The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.


Check out this TFD thread from yesterday. You will understand my point I think. Link
 
2012-10-05 08:16:26 PM  
It must suck to be tenpoundsofcheese. You come into work and your first assignment is "attack Sesame Street - say it causes ADHD or something like that" and you know it's going to be a shiatty night. tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.
 
2012-10-05 08:17:36 PM  

BarkingUnicorn:

Romney was an idiot to mention Big Bird. No surprise there.


No-he's just an idiot.
 
2012-10-05 08:18:02 PM  
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2012-10-05 08:19:11 PM  

The Why Not Guy: It must suck to be tenpoundsofcheese. You come into work and your first assignment is "attack Sesame Street - say it causes ADHD or something like that" and you know it's going to be a shiatty night. tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.


It's been a bad day for the Right-wing trolls. I mean after the unemployment numbers dipped below 8% completely demolishing that talking point, the best they can do is come up with conspiracy theories of how the BLS numbers are rigged.

It's entertaining and sad to watch all at the same time.
 
2012-10-05 08:19:27 PM  
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2012-10-05 08:22:33 PM  

mrshowrules: fusillade762: The pungent stench of limburger fills this thread.

Check out this TFD thread from yesterday. You will understand my point I think. Link


Yeah, TPoC can shiat politics in any thread, no matter what the subject. That's one of the many reasons I have it on ignore.
 
2012-10-05 08:24:08 PM  
I have yet to see the amalgamation of "Romney kills Big Bird" and "Keep farking that chicken, GOP" that I know must be coming...
 
2012-10-05 08:27:54 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Exactly the type of business that needs a started by government handout.


Petard.
 
2012-10-05 08:28:35 PM  

Mrtraveler01: The Why Not Guy: It must suck to be tenpoundsofcheese. You come into work and your first assignment is "attack Sesame Street - say it causes ADHD or something like that" and you know it's going to be a shiatty night. tenpoundsofcheese, whatever they pay you is simultaneously too much and not enough.

It's been a bad day for the Right-wing trolls. I mean after the unemployment numbers dipped below 8% completely demolishing that talking point, the best they can do is come up with conspiracy theories of how the BLS numbers are rigged.

It's entertaining and sad to watch all at the same time.


Well, and how one poor debate performance means Obama's definitely going to lose to the Mormon robot in a Reaganesque landslide.
 
2012-10-05 08:29:59 PM  
What's the big deal? PBS will have to go to an ad-driven model. That sound you hear is the slavering of the toy and cereal industries whilst they orgasm themselves to the moon at the thought of being able to finally crack the until untapped market. Studies have shown (and Jesus agrees) that kids need to see more advertising every day.
 
2012-10-05 08:31:51 PM  
It's very easy to say that Big Bird and friends have been integral to the success of MANY more Americans than Mitt Romney ever will or could dream to.
 
2012-10-05 08:35:51 PM  
You know that song that goes:
One of these things are not like the other
One of these things just doesn't belong
etc...

Teaches racism to children.

I heard it from Victor Wooten.

Do you really want the government subsidizing a racist tv network? I didn't think so.
 
2012-10-05 08:38:54 PM  
Looks like a certain President of the United States might be making a guest appearance on Sesame Street.
 
2012-10-05 08:39:38 PM  
"You can run, Mitt, but you cannot hide."

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2012-10-05 08:40:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.


The money Romney is talking about cutting is for PBS to get the rights to broadcast Sesame Street, Nova, Frontline, and a ton of other very-high quality shows that couldn't get enough viewers to survive in the for-profit broadcasting model. It's not just for Sesame Street, but that's the easiest example to illustrate how big a dick move this is.
 
2012-10-05 08:41:01 PM  
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2012-10-05 08:43:54 PM  

Aquapope: tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

The money Romney is talking about cutting is for PBS to get the rights to broadcast Sesame Street, Nova, Frontline, and a ton of other very-high quality shows that couldn't get enough viewers to survive in the for-profit broadcasting model. It's not just for Sesame Street, but that's the easiest example to illustrate how big a dick move this is.


Not to mention that the tax cuts Rmoney proposes would cost the US far more money than eliminating PBS would save.
 
2012-10-05 08:48:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Oh, and the fact that Sesame Street toys make over $500M a year and the average licensing fees are around 8.7%.

Never mind the money they make from licensing fees from books and characters.

Exactly the type of business that needs a government handout.


You didn't watch the video. The regional stations aren't making that money. They would be forced to go off the air.
 
2012-10-05 08:48:57 PM  
America doesn't have enough TV stations and entertainment, so the govt needs to subsidize Public Broadcasting.
 
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