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2012-10-05 02:28:28 PM
Haven't bothered to read some 500 posts but has anyone pointed out that the source just assumes he cheated without knowing the predetermined debate rules?

Or is this an attempt to explain away Obama's pof performance?
 
2012-10-05 02:28:40 PM
Misdirection, folks. Every magic trick uses it. Look at the other hand.
www.houdini.com
 
2012-10-05 02:29:18 PM

sweetmelissa31: A website known as lots of dog dot tumblr dot com:


A website known for speaking truth to power.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:29 PM

vegasj: sprawl15: I have already reported you for racism

Good god over that?

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or did you have one of these for the race card?

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God you freepers suck at humor. Seriously. Just stop.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:36 PM

ManateeGag: in addendum:

He lied and he cheated. All needed to do was to steal something and it would have made Eddie Guerrero proud. (obscure?)


Well, Mitt's dad was born in Mexio, so maybe Mitt's bringing a bit of the Latino Heat?

www.wwehunks.com

/nothing's obscure here
//Gettin' froggy
///7 years ago already :p
 
2012-10-05 02:29:57 PM

ultraholland:
super late to this thread but why the fark was he so sly about it?


Captains of industry do not sweat, nor have they snot.
 
2012-10-05 02:30:33 PM

Biness: [www.inquisitr.com image 450x365]

BACKTRACED!


www.maniacworld.com
 
2012-10-05 02:31:12 PM
Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.
 
2012-10-05 02:32:17 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Haven't bothered to read some 500 posts but has anyone pointed out that the source just assumes he cheated without knowing the predetermined debate rules?

Or is this an attempt to explain away Obama's pof performance?


One of The Great Ones taught you Rope a Dope.
Forgotten already?

Let the asswipe cheat on his phone, lie his ass off and keep on failng.
What is to see here?
The more time Romney spends on TV, the worse it will get.

47
 
2012-10-05 02:32:32 PM

CynicalLA: Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.


http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/1020-ric-romero-obvious.jpg
 
2012-10-05 02:33:07 PM

CynicalLA: Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.


www.myfacewhen.net
 
2012-10-05 02:33:42 PM
My lord you people are farking idiots. You really think he put a cheat sheet on the podium? Talk about reaching for anything now.

It was his handkerchief...

:15 seconds in.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/4006220

Everyone doesn't keep a handkerchief in their coat pocket/shirt pocket. Many keep them in their jacket or pants pocket. And he put it on the podium at the start.

My lord...this is just as stupid as the democrats saying it was the altitude for Obama that caused him to have issues.
 
2012-10-05 02:34:03 PM

Lando Lincoln: So the candidates are provided with a pen and paper on the podium already...and Romney took some paper out of his pocket and put it on the podium.

Yeah. That's cheating.


Typical political behaviour. If you can't win, cheat.
 
2012-10-05 02:34:21 PM

SideshowRaheem: You know how you feel when conservative sites put forward something so ridiculous that you can't believe people far for it? Yeah, this is the liberal version of that.


Helps to watch the actual vid...I mean, I'm personally in the 'I don't give a shiat, I care about his nonstop lying' camp, but yeah, he took paper out of his pocket. That's not exactly under dispute here.
 
2012-10-05 02:35:05 PM

Grungehamster: According to the article on Buzzfeed, there is video of him picking up the same object later in the debate to dab his forehead so it's a hanky, but I couldn't get the clip they had posted (which is about a minute long compared to the 22 second clip I did see) to play. Anyone else seen it?

Cue "Romney released the tape to make us talk about him winning the debate instead of the jobs report!" in 5, 4, 3, 2...


I mentioned the sweat rag to my husband. Romney used it when he started getting wild-eyed and farkers were asking if he was crying (on that night's debate thread).

Just a piece of cloth, guys. Please don't start frothing like TPers, it makes you look just as dumb and pretty hypocritical. Next time the party of DERP starts whining, none of you will have a leg to stand on.
 
2012-10-05 02:35:13 PM
This butthurt is awesome.
 
2012-10-05 02:35:39 PM

PsiChick: SideshowRaheem: You know how you feel when conservative sites put forward something so ridiculous that you can't believe people far for it? Yeah, this is the liberal version of that.

Helps to watch the actual vid...I mean, I'm personally in the 'I don't give a shiat, I care about his nonstop lying' camp, but yeah, he took paper out of his pocket. That's not exactly under dispute here.


yes. yes it is under dispute. or rather, that idea has been entirely repudiated. 'twas a handkerchief
 
2012-10-05 02:35:42 PM

RockofAges: So seriously, are you that dumb?

You mean like when a candidate for VPotUS help children's crib notes on her hand?

Sorta like that, only it was the candidate themselves?

And this already happened, you say?

Right. You're an intellectual giant in a land of likeminded fellows.


Palin put notes on her hand for a speech. WTF does that have to do with cheating at a debate? It was embarrassing for her, but has nothing to do with breaking debate rules. And now you've made me sort of defend that moronette. So GFY.

I guess you are this dumb. Congrats.
 
2012-10-05 02:37:05 PM

CynicalLA: Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.


And here's why folks didn't care about the fact that Romney managed to whip out 28 lies in 34 minutes. "Sure, he's a lying used car salesman, but damn, didn't he look better than the other guy? Yeah! Let's vote for him!"

This is how Dubya got into office, too. Gore may have been wooden when debating Bush, but he was also correct - and in America, "correct" doesn't matter anywhere near as much as "photogenic." Bush handily won debates because he looked better, not because he knew what the hell he was talking about on just about any subject.

This very rationalization is why the media is giving the debate to Romney - it's not a "debate", it's a friggin' catwalk. Romney looked better than Obama on the catwalk - he lied, he dissembled, and he was clueless, but he looked better and that, apparently, was all that mattered.
 
2012-10-05 02:37:19 PM

snocone: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: snocone: 47

Seeing it on cars here in MN.

I saw tons more Romney stickers than I usually do on my drive to work today. I'm glad they are pissing their money away on a losing presidential candidate instead of the downticket races.

Uumm, whose money?
This is stupid largess.


Look, I think we can have a spirited argument without you resorting to criticizing the size of my butt, mmmkay?
 
2012-10-05 02:37:47 PM
Romney had a cold and a runny nose, he didn't whine about it but he had a pinkish upper lip (a sign of a runny nose that had been wiped a lot). He brought the hankey for that... and used it (if you want to see him use it, scroll up for 200 copies of the pic).
 
2012-10-05 02:38:28 PM
I don't care for Romney, and I generally feel that Republican politicians are more likely to lie, cheat, distort facts, and manipulate voters than Democratic ones. So I especially hate it when liberals jump on something like this and declare it true without the facts. It's fine that the question was raised; if he did cheat, that would be a character issue if nothing else, but credible analysts were saying handkerchief, and he used it later in the debate. To keep saying it was notes is to be like the climate change deniers, who ignore the credible evidence and hang on the lunatic fringe.

It just makes us look bad.
 
2012-10-05 02:39:03 PM
My fellow Obama supporters,

Our guy didn't do well on Wednesday; we need to move on move on. If we're going to spin this thing could we please stick with the Mendacious Mitt or Honest Mitt's Used Cars narratives, please. This whole "Mitt took notes to the debate" conspiracy gets us nowhere and makes us look like idiots.

Obama is still the heavy favorite; let's chill out.

kthanksbye
 
2012-10-05 02:39:15 PM
And even with that cold he out-debated Obama "the great communicator" who's excuse was... the altitude?
 
2012-10-05 02:39:57 PM
Obama's notes

cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2012-10-05 02:40:45 PM

snocone: inner ted: snocone: Purdue_Pete: EyeballKid: DaCaptain19: The desperate battle-cry of the loser..."he cheated!".

You people people who win lout over cheaters don't call them out on their cheating? How odd...

What's to call out? Romney didn't cheat. The man used a hanky! You can see it! You can see him wipe his face with it! He NEVER looked down at any notes. He just stood there and made "your guy" look like a dunce. Period.

This is why eyewitness evidence is so tainted and considered evidence of the lowest priority in court.
You will get to see this in close up and enhanced. You will not like the result.
Until then, watch your stance.

unless you are talking about 9/11 - then eyewitness is iron clad and bullet proof & if you ask for anything other than eyewitness accounts - you are:

birther
tea bagger
tin foil hat wearer
troofer

i'm sure i'm forgetting one or two, but you get the idea

Clown
Can you read a bio?

Now go get a job.


biatch, i'm multitasking like you could only dream of

as for reading your shiatty bio - umm no thanks, don't care that much about you.

back to work
 
2012-10-05 02:40:55 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: lennavan: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: JusticeandIndependence:  


PLEASE do not make this an argument. Just stop already.

Is a handkerchief not "tangible"? Is it not an "object"?

Romney brought in an illegal handkerchief is your great argument? You gotta be farking kidding me.

Ha ha I trolled a troll! I'm getting good at this.


You do know someone actually made that argument in earnest previously in the thread, don't you? No, of course you don't. That said, I'm glad you were entertained.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:42 PM
Did anyone notice that a 90-minute exchange of talking points doesn't matter at all?

That you can't get an in-depth, fact-checked explanation of complex issues in 90 minutes of banter?

That the President of the United States has rarely, if ever, been required to use off-the-cuff debate as part of his job duties?

That this was basically futility in action, and if you're really interested in what a President will do, you have to do some real work to understand the basis and outcome of the policies they propose and their track record?

Executive policy proposals and implementations have nothing to do with battles of wits or memorized talking points. They come from working with committees and commissions, working with experts, and making complicated written plans.

This is all marketing bullshiat.
 
2012-10-05 02:42:47 PM

althor: Obama "the great communicator" who's excuse was... the altitude?


pretty sure Obama didn't blame the altitude...
 
2012-10-05 02:43:46 PM
I can clear this up.

Romney is a Sith. He is using his powers to gain control of the United States so he can turn it into a Mormon theocracy.
 
2012-10-05 02:43:55 PM

FormlessOne: This is how Dubya got into office, too.


media.washingtonpost.com
"Ummmmm....yeah! THAT'S how he got into office! We'll run with that!!"
 
2012-10-05 02:44:00 PM

This text is now purple:
...FDR lashed himself to the lecturn to deliver speeches in his day. Nixon looked more animated with a serious case of the flu, and lost the election because he looked poor by comparison.

Face it, if you're seriously running for POTUS, you have no defensible excuse to look disinterested at a debate. All of your job is appearances.


\FTFY
 
2012-10-05 02:44:16 PM

badaboom: JackieRabbit: badaboom: You guys want to blame a hanky?

Here's the REAL reason he lost:

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How's the air on your planet? Obama already has 251 EC delegates to his credit. Romney has 181. There are 106 in swing states. A candidate needs 270 electors. Obama's lead continues to grow in national polls. He's almost there and Romney has a near-impossible task ahead of him; there is almost no possible way for him to win 84% of the remaining electoral votes, especially when about half of the tossup states are leaning to Obama. Most people who are watching this election (without your rose colored beer-goggles) agree that Obama has already won and that Romney us wasting his money and effort. It will take a miracle for him to when and he simply doesn't have enough time left. Stranger things have happened, but I'd not take the odds on a 20 buck bet.

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Be an ass. That's okay, but you're being an ignorant ass. There are a number of non-partisan informations sources on the net where you could go and see that I am stating facts, not fiction. But I guess remaining delusional is easier for you.

/would have strongly considered voting for Romney until he started sucking utra-rightwing cock for votes. I'm not Barack Obama's biggest fan.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:26 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Did anyone notice that a 90-minute exchange of talking points doesn't matter at all?

That you can't get an in-depth, fact-checked explanation of complex issues in 90 minutes of banter?

That the President of the United States has rarely, if ever, been required to use off-the-cuff debate as part of his job duties?

That this was basically futility in action, and if you're really interested in what a President will do, you have to do some real work to understand the basis and outcome of the policies they propose and their track record?

Executive policy proposals and implementations have nothing to do with battles of wits or memorized talking points. They come from working with committees and commissions, working with experts, and making complicated written plans.

This is all marketing bullshiat.


What do you think the entire election process is? Politicians are nothing more than glorified celebrities.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:37 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Yet when Clinton lied he was ok.


Clinton lied about getting a blowjob. Romney lied about his own policies, facts regarding the country and Obama's policies. Somehow these two are not equivalent.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:51 PM

FormlessOne: CynicalLA: Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.

And here's why folks didn't care about the fact that Romney managed to whip out 28 lies in 34 minutes. "Sure, he's a lying used car salesman, but damn, didn't he look better than the other guy? Yeah! Let's vote for him!"

This is how Dubya got into office, too. Gore may have been wooden when debating Bush, but he was also correct - and in America, "correct" doesn't matter anywhere near as much as "photogenic." Bush handily won debates because he looked better, not because he knew what the hell he was talking about on just about any subject.

This very rationalization is why the media is giving the debate to Romney - it's not a "debate", it's a friggin' catwalk. Romney looked better than Obama on the catwalk - he lied, he dissembled, and he was clueless, but he looked better and that, apparently, was all that mattered.


But I was told Obama was the greatest orator of our time.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:53 PM

Via Infinito: Quasar: Is this like how Bush (or was it McCain) must have had an earpiece?

No this is more straight forward. He clearly took paper out of his pocket and put it on the podium.

There's another video that shows him going back to the podium later and collecting all his papers before he leaves.
Not that it's particularly suspicious, but we can't leave our crib notes on the podium, now can we?


I clearly remember one of Obama's aides coming up after the debate and taking the notes from his podium as well. I also remember a couple of shots of Romney using a white handkerchief to wipe at his face. That doesn't exclude the possibility of something being written or hidden in the handkerchief, but this whole thing smells of dailyKOS desperation.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:59 PM

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PLEASE do not make this an argument. Just stop already.


Srsly.
 
2012-10-05 02:45:24 PM

FormlessOne: CynicalLA: Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.

And here's why folks didn't care about the fact that Romney managed to whip out 28 lies in 34 minutes. "Sure, he's a lying used car salesman, but damn, didn't he look better than the other guy? Yeah! Let's vote for him!"

This is how Dubya got into office, too. Gore may have been wooden when debating Bush, but he was also correct - and in America, "correct" doesn't matter anywhere near as much as "photogenic." Bush handily won debates because he looked better, not because he knew what the hell he was talking about on just about any subject.

This very rationalization is why the media is giving the debate to Romney - it's not a "debate", it's a friggin' catwalk. Romney looked better than Obama on the catwalk - he lied, he dissembled, and he was clueless, but he looked better and that, apparently, was all that mattered.


I knew he was lying but perception is so much more important in today's environment. Obama should have been a lot more aggressive. Hopefully Obama comes out swinging next time.
 
2012-10-05 02:46:16 PM
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/SplitSc

About 2:25 seconds. You see him fish around and his pants and pull something out. Unless he folded it over a few times--or tore the cover off his Moleskine--it still looks like a hanky.
 
2012-10-05 02:46:18 PM

inner ted: snocone: inner ted: snocone: Purdue_Pete: EyeballKid: DaCaptain19: The desperate battle-cry of the loser..."he cheated!".

You people people who win lout over cheaters don't call them out on their cheating? How odd...

What's to call out? Romney didn't cheat. The man used a hanky! You can see it! You can see him wipe his face with it! He NEVER looked down at any notes. He just stood there and made "your guy" look like a dunce. Period.

This is why eyewitness evidence is so tainted and considered evidence of the lowest priority in court.
You will get to see this in close up and enhanced. You will not like the result.
Until then, watch your stance.

unless you are talking about 9/11 - then eyewitness is iron clad and bullet proof & if you ask for anything other than eyewitness accounts - you are:

birther
tea bagger
tin foil hat wearer
troofer

i'm sure i'm forgetting one or two, but you get the idea

Clown
Can you read a bio?

Now go get a job.

biatch, i'm multitasking like you could only dream of

as for reading your shiatty bio - umm no thanks, don't care that much about you.

back to work


Show me yours, turd.

Anonymous bullchit is so old, and weak.
 
2012-10-05 02:46:20 PM

Headso: althor: Obama "the great communicator" who's excuse was... the altitude?

pretty sure Obama didn't blame the altitude...


That was Al Gore.
 
2012-10-05 02:46:26 PM
See, this is why I'm afraid Romney will win. Never underestimate the power of stupid.
 
2012-10-05 02:46:51 PM

hdhale: I can clear this up.

Romney is a Sith. He is using his powers to gain control of the United States so he can turn it into a Mormon theocracy.


Close...Some have speculated, on the basis of the White Horse Prophecy, that Mormons expect the United States to eventually become a theocracy dominated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 
2012-10-05 02:47:14 PM

CynicalLA: FormlessOne: CynicalLA: Obama look tired and the body language was horrible for a debate. This article seems a little desperate.

And here's why folks didn't care about the fact that Romney managed to whip out 28 lies in 34 minutes. "Sure, he's a lying used car salesman, but damn, didn't he look better than the other guy? Yeah! Let's vote for him!"

This is how Dubya got into office, too. Gore may have been wooden when debating Bush, but he was also correct - and in America, "correct" doesn't matter anywhere near as much as "photogenic." Bush handily won debates because he looked better, not because he knew what the hell he was talking about on just about any subject.

This very rationalization is why the media is giving the debate to Romney - it's not a "debate", it's a friggin' catwalk. Romney looked better than Obama on the catwalk - he lied, he dissembled, and he was clueless, but he looked better and that, apparently, was all that mattered.

I knew he was lying but perception is so much more important in today's environment. Obama should have been a lot more aggressive. Hopefully Obama comes out swinging next time.


Why swing at a ghost.
Ignor it and it will go away.
 
2012-10-05 02:47:28 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Haven't bothered to read some 500 posts but has anyone pointed out that the source just assumes he cheated without knowing the predetermined debate rules?

Or is this an attempt to explain away Obama's pof performance?


Someone in the thread linked to an article that first explains that the debate rules have not yet been made public, and then explains the rules for the 2004 debates. And then the author of said article speculates that a handkerchief is not a "tangible object." I'm not sure how Son of Bapp picked up an object that wasn't tangible, but hey he is wearing magic underwear.
 
2012-10-05 02:47:55 PM
atomsmoosher: Sly? What, did you want him to walk up, slam his hanky onto the lectern and say "Try this magic underwear on for size, biatches?"

hell yes, own that shiat.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:17 PM
Of course Romney cheated he's a Republican.

/and don't forget lie and steal
 
2012-10-05 02:49:23 PM
I can easily imagine Romney sneaking notes into the debate. He's that kind of slimy bastard.

However, this isn't some kind of "contest" where failure to adhere to "the rules" disqualifies you from further participation. It's not like Romney can be sent home in disgrace even if it was proven true, or gets points taken off his final score.

Attack Romney on something substantial, like his continual flip-flopping or his continued refusal to present an actual tax plan. Not whether he's too stupid to debate without a fistful of index cards.
 
2012-10-05 02:50:41 PM

inner ted: unless you are talking about 9/11 - then eyewitness is iron clad and bullet proof & if you ask for anything other than eyewitness accounts - you are:

birther
tea bagger
tin foil hat wearer
troofer

i'm sure i'm forgetting one or two, but you get the idea


Are you farking kidding me? All the farking truthers have is "eyewitness evidence". From witnessing third-hand videotapes, even.
 
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