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2012-10-05 01:14:27 PM
How many more days of green lit liberal butthurtty Kos articles will we have to face before this dies down? I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-10-05 01:14:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: ShadowLAnCeR: yes because we can totally trust something coming from the democratic underground. That is not biased and does not have an agenda at all.

Yep, they set up a shadow-debate and faked the video of him putting something on the podium.


Actually, that makes sense. Didn't Obama say that there were two Romneys?
 
2012-10-05 01:14:56 PM

Baz744: lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.

Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.


A google search for "Romney cheat" suggests there are places other than Fark.com and DailyKos talking about this.
 
2012-10-05 01:14:58 PM

ringersol: The guy "won" a debate by burying his competitor in such a pile of lies, mistruths and strawmen that he had no hope of knocking them all down and still getting a word in edgewise.
Who gives a fark what mechanics were in play? The strategy itself is such an incredibly cowardly, intellectually dishonest, meta, bush-league move, and shows such incredible contempt for the audience (in assuming we're all to stupid to notice or too invested in political team affiliation to care) that I really don't think there's any 'secret' to uncover that could make his performance *worse*.


Funny, I have not heard anyone say Obama won the debate. You are the first.
 
2012-10-05 01:15:11 PM

SlothB77: omney when Obama was talking, and Romney was always just looking at Obama with his hands at his side, moving little.


Pretty much this.

Obama supporter here (but I'm an independent), Romney hardly ever glanced down during the debate. Obama took notes. This is a non-story. Let's focus on crap that matters.
 
2012-10-05 01:15:43 PM
It was a hanky. No question. And I'm an Obama supporter.

But it doesn't change anything. Romney won the debate. And he won simply because when he told lies he was animated and smiled. If Obama was enthusiastic in the slightest he would have been declared the winner.It's meaningless.

Anyhow, the rest of you: don't be like this. Conspiracies and weird accusations are for birthers.
 
2012-10-05 01:16:08 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: star_topology: Why put a handkerchief on a podium?

Because he's an idiot? I don't know. But he picks the damn thing up and wipes his face with it later. You think he's using his cheat sheet to wipe his face?


Because that is what a rich guy would do. He drops things and his people pick them up for him and fresh ones magically appear. He is never concerned about how it happens. Nothing surprising about him leaving a napkin or whatever on the podium, it is a non story.
 
2012-10-05 01:16:11 PM

aedude01: Romney hardly ever glanced down during the debate. Obama took notes.


Rewatch the debate. Reality does not match your memory.
 
2012-10-05 01:16:22 PM
This is just what we expect from under handed republicans.
Does Romney think he can bring his own notes when it's time to kill Osama bin Ladin?
 
2012-10-05 01:16:27 PM
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2012-10-05 01:16:36 PM

StaleCoffee: Baz744: I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.

Interesting. 7.8%, lowest in 4 years, stocks up, dollar value up and slightly more jobs created than forecasted. While I don't think Obama has a magic wand to have made this happen any more than Romney does, it's good news wherever it came from. Hooray Friday.


There is a thread for the unemployment figures down below a little. I see it now. But my larger point still stands in response to lennavan's. Nobody on the institutional left is making a big deal out of this. And they won't unless they can verify that Romney in fact brought a cheat sheet.
 
2012-10-05 01:17:07 PM
At least this time the GOP is trying to put somebody into the White House who can read and write.
 
2012-10-05 01:17:16 PM
He tried to put paper in his pocket at the end if the night when everyone was gathered together he went over and got it. Then he seemed to fumble with it and one if his sons (i think) took it and put it in his pocket.
 
2012-10-05 01:17:28 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: How many more days of green lit liberal butthurtty Kos articles will we have to face before this dies down?


Probably about the same time you goombahs stop worrying about things like arugula, spicy mustard and sleeveless shirts.
 
2012-10-05 01:17:54 PM

Baz744: lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.

Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.


Saying that the job numbers favor Obama because they're under 8% for the first time since the month he took office is like looking at my skidmarks going through the neighbor's field, through a fence, over a mailbox, across a sidewalk and back onto the road and saying, "hey, he's a pretty good driver."
 
2012-10-05 01:18:51 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Lt. Cheese Weasel: How many more days of green lit liberal butthurtty Kos articles will we have to face before this dies down?

Probably about the same time you goombahs stop worrying about things like arugula, spicy mustard and sleeveless shirts.


Both sides are bad.
 
2012-10-05 01:18:53 PM

ringersol: The guy "won" a debate by burying his competitor in such a pile of lies, mistruths and strawmen that he had no hope of knocking them all down and still getting a word in edgewise.
Who gives a fark what mechanics were in play? The strategy itself is such an incredibly cowardly, intellectually dishonest, meta, bush-league move, and shows such incredible contempt for the audience (in assuming we're all to stupid to notice or too invested in political team affiliation to care) that I really don't think there's any 'secret' to uncover that could make his performance *worse*.


Standard high school debate technique, we were taught it in debate club. You bomb your opponent with a overload of either lies or half truths that they just don't have time to respond in detail to. Unfortunately this rarely worked in high school because people recognized what you were doing.
 
2012-10-05 01:18:57 PM
Your guy got smoked in the debate, and it wasn't because of note cards.

Don't worry, you'll still win in November, but that's just because of Mormon.
 
2012-10-05 01:19:14 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Actually, that makes sense. Didn't Obama say that there were two Romneys?


They found a beta model in storage and got it working just long enough to fake a second debate on the old sound stage for the moon landing hoax.
 
2012-10-05 01:20:01 PM
would his lines really be that hard to remember? I don't see note cards as a big advantage

also romney took notes often
 
2012-10-05 01:20:15 PM
I find it ironic that folks will believe that Romney cheated by bringing notes, but refuse to believe that something funny is going on with the employment numbers. It's as if people look at Romney and say "there is NO WAY he could possibly know all that stuff- he must have cheated!" but then look at employment numbers that appear to contradict themselves and act as a HUGE windfall to Obama and say "oh, those are TOTALLY the real numbers. Absolutely accurate! No one in the government has any sort of vested interest in skewing those numbers!"
 
2012-10-05 01:20:31 PM

sprawl15: Again, unless that piece of paper had a magic Mormon spell cursing Obama's true name to make him noncommittal and boring, I have serious problems giving a shiat.


This.
 
2012-10-05 01:20:41 PM

KarmicDisaster: Because that is what a rich guy would do.


This. Any normal farker posting here would just stick their index finger up the nostril to the second knuckle and pick that booger out, hell with how it would look to the debate audience.

Romney's clearly out of touch with the 47% nose-picking majority of Americans.
 
2012-10-05 01:20:41 PM

mynamebackwards: wow, some serious butthurt derp in this here thread


Yeah, I mean really what could we possible be upset about, just because a Presidential candidate went on national television and lied about his policies, there is no reason to be upset at all. Nope none at all.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:13 PM
How many times did Romney throw a handkerchief on the lecturn in the Republican primary debates?

/it's only a podium if you are standing on it, dumbf*cks
 
2012-10-05 01:21:24 PM

meddleRPI: Baz744: lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.

Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.

Saying that the job numbers favor Obama because they're under 8% for the first time since the month he took office is like looking at my skidmarks going through the neighbor's field, through a fence, over a mailbox, across a sidewalk and back onto the road and saying, "hey, he's a pretty good driver."


Except he just moved in, and that wasn't his car.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:26 PM
Your Blog sucks.


/That is proper procedure standard practice around here, isn't it?
 
2012-10-05 01:21:32 PM

TaskMan: I find it ironic


Why? There's nothing ironic about anything you've posted. You might find it funny, but ironic it is not.
 
2012-10-05 01:21:37 PM
unrealitymag.com

'He cheated'. This is the days talking point? You people are unstable.
 
2012-10-05 01:22:05 PM

Earpj: Peter von Nostrand: WTF does "hinky" mean?

We also did this shiat years ago with the Bush "earpiece" thing. Fark around

Hinky means weird, kinda off, not quite right...


Well, why don't you say "strange" or "weird"? I mean hinky, that has no meaning.
 
2012-10-05 01:22:21 PM

cameroncrazy1984: lennavan: cameroncrazy1984: lennavan: No, subby I did not notice that because I saw Romney take notes many times. But even if the way you totally imagined the debate went were true, I fail to see how a handkerchief explains it.

Why would Romney put a handkerchief on the podium? Why not just keep it in his pocket? Is he expecting some sort of snot-emergency wherein he'll need to save time?

Holy fark who cares why he put it on a podium versus kept it in his pocket. Do you? Are you seriously concerned about the location of Mitt Romney's handkerchief?

You don't think it's seriously weird that Romney put a handkerchief on the podium before the debate? Who does that?

OH SH*T it's part of his programming!


Ever given a speech? Fairly common practice to keep the hands dry when your palms sweat. Less obvious than whipping it out of your pocket. Sweaty palms are distracting; hands sweat when you are nervous (as when before a crowd) and sweaty palms are a negative feedback loop that you really don't need when you are trying to remember the next thing you need to say.

The more you know....
 
2012-10-05 01:23:08 PM
Remember the Daily Kos? in 2008 they were telling everyone they owned the party and they were having their asses kissed left and right. four years later with the bloom off the rose you never hear from these fools and when you do its this kind of crap that ranks as their fine work product. Pathetic.
 
2012-10-05 01:23:27 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: How many times did Romney throw a handkerchief on the lecturn in the Republican primary debates?

/it's only a podium if you are standing on it, dumbf*cks


Check out #2, dumbfark
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apodium
 
2012-10-05 01:24:39 PM

meddleRPI: Baz744: lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.

Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.

Saying that the job numbers favor Obama because they're under 8% for the first time since the month he took office is like looking at my skidmarks going through the neighbor's field, through a fence, over a mailbox, across a sidewalk and back onto the road and saying, "hey, he's a pretty good driver."



That's true, the country is gaining jobs and unemployment is going down. This is definitely bad news for Obama.

You know what's farking sick? I bet you would have been actually happy to see unemployment go up. Think about it for a second, you know you would have. Man you're a dick.
 
2012-10-05 01:24:46 PM

Madbassist1: sprawl15: Again, unless that piece of paper had a magic Mormon spell cursing Obama's true name to make him noncommittal and boring, I have serious problems giving a shiat.

That says a lot about you as a person.


Yeah, he doesn't make mountains out of molehills and reserves his ire for situations that actually... deserve it.

That you care about this means you are WAY overanalyzing the debate. You will forget napkingate in a week when the next debate happens. Trust me. There's no point in caring about this. Make fun of it? Why not. Make HAY of it? Bad mojo.
 
2012-10-05 01:25:17 PM

Johnny Swank: I think Romney is a cockbag, but this is a stupid, stupid conspiracy theory. There's 235,239 more things to pound the cult leader with.


This.

I'm sorry, I very highly doubt he cheated. He came prepared. I mean he was full of sh*t, but he came prepared. Obama's lack of emotional delivery and lack of attacks on easy targets was the phenomenon that defined the debate. No one perhaps outside of Obama really knows why, but I think the reason people are shocked is because this is really not the Obama we have seen.

I saw the debates in 2008. Obama was not this passive. He wasn't incredibly aggressive, but he didn't act like a chump on stage. Many people, mostly conservatives, think his passivity was from too much teleprompter, but that is BS, the GOP wants to paint Obama as a weak president, and the teleprompter lies play into it.

I think something else was up. I don't know if it was campaign strategy, off night, personal problems, international problems, what, but he was either distracted or doing it on purpose. He still came off fine to me, a person with a plan and ideas who shared them if boringly. But he didn't blow me away - neither did he do it at the convention. There are clues, like his memoir, that Obama is an introspective person. He might just be a little tired right now. The job runs you down. And there's such hate out there for Obama, mindboggling hate. The economy has been improving steadily month after month. Unemployment is down under 8% now. And yet people are still mad at him, like it's his fault for taking out a bad mortgage or financial chicanery or offshoring jobs.

This country is full of cowards, small people living unimportant lives of quiet desperation who want to blame everyone for their situation except themselves.

I'm kind of tired of theorizing about it. Doesn't affect my vote in the least. I know whose ideas are bankrupt both logically and morally.
 
2012-10-05 01:25:17 PM

lennavan: Baz744: lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.

Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.

A google search for "Romney cheat" suggests there are places other than Fark.com and DailyKos talking about this.


Romney's campaign just issued a denial. That was stupid.. Now, there's a chance the networks will run with it.
 
2012-10-05 01:25:20 PM

Epoch_Zero: XyzzyBob: There were no rules, as far as I know, stated at the start of the debate... only the format.

What? Of course there were. The ancient moderator went over them before they started. Domestic Policy debate, consisting of multiple 15 minute segments, started with two-minute answers to questions on the economy, healthcare, and the deficit and debt. He even said all of that clearly, and in English for your convenience.

Did you watch this at all?


That would be the part where I said "Only the format". Do you think before you post?
 
2012-10-05 01:25:22 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'He cheated'. This is the days talking point? You people are unstable.


You know what's funny though? Half the liberals here are derpin' it up over this, the other half are telling them to stfu and stop being stupid.

Versus, you know, the 100% groupthink you idiots writhe around in.

I'll stick with the group that's only half-derpy, thanks.
 
2012-10-05 01:25:57 PM

Lando Lincoln: So the candidates are provided with a pen and paper on the podium already...and Romney took some paper out of his pocket and put it on the podium.

Yeah. That's cheating.


Rules are rules. Follow em or GTFO.
 
2012-10-05 01:28:24 PM
finally. I was wondering what would be this years hidden earpiece under the suit.
 
2012-10-05 01:28:58 PM

EyeballKid: Seriously, aside from stealing a presidential election (maybe 2), lying about WMDs in order to start a war, revealing the identity of a covert federal agent as a means of political payback, trying to suppress voter turnout in key Democratic regions, countless bribery offenses, and the occasional cheating on taxes, what proof do we have that the Republican Party is capable of such nefarious behavior?


The aquaduct.
 
2012-10-05 01:29:30 PM

Victoly: Earpj: Peter von Nostrand: WTF does "hinky" mean?

We also did this shiat years ago with the Bush "earpiece" thing. Fark around

Hinky means weird, kinda off, not quite right...

Well, why don't you say "strange" or "weird"? I mean hinky, that has no meaning.


Er... but it does have a meaning. It's a defined word. You can find it in dictionaries. I suppose any number of synonyms could be used for it, but I doubt anyone cares enough to compensate for your painfully constrained vocabulary.
 
2012-10-05 01:29:37 PM

bdub77: I think something else was up. I don't know if it was campaign strategy, off night, personal problems, international problems, what, but he was either distracted or doing it on purpose.


I think it was campaign strategy. Obama has a significant lead, he was playing it safe. I hated it, I saw it pretty much the same you did as Obama was timid, missed too many chances for counters and whatnot but I think they were playing it safe.
 
2012-10-05 01:29:45 PM
Why wouldn't you put a hanky on a podium?
 
2012-10-05 01:29:58 PM

OrygunFarker: Lando Lincoln: So the candidates are provided with a pen and paper on the podium already...and Romney took some paper out of his pocket and put it on the podium.

Yeah. That's cheating.

Rules are rules. Follow em or GTFO.


Yep, Romney cheated so now Rev Al is now automatically President and Bill Mahr is Secretary of State.

/Am I doing that right?
 
2012-10-05 01:31:08 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: 'He cheated'. This is the days talking point? You people are unstable.


As a republican you might not have a leg to stand on calling people unstable... I can call these people unstable but you, not so much...
 
2012-10-05 01:31:13 PM

Via Infinito: Is it really a stretch to realize that he's also a cheating sack of shiat?


I just assume that every super rich 'captain of industry' is a lying cheating douchebag.
 
2012-10-05 01:31:53 PM
Wow, the lib spin machine is in a new higher gear. Is that really how stupid you want to get?

P.S. don't bother replying to my comment, I won't be in here long enough to see it.
 
2012-10-05 01:32:00 PM

lokidecat: I think it was a good tactic.
Obama let him dig a deep, wide, stupid hole filled with lies.

I could've done without the condescending smirks, but letting Romney talk is a brilliant strategy.
He's an asshat and was torn apart by political fact sites.

Debates go like this:
1. Romney appears to win by talking a lot and being aggressive.
2. Obama goads him and and makes him talk more.
3. Romney gets owned and buried under the weight of his cluelessness. Obama goes Blake from Glengarry on him.


It would be nice to think this was a strategy. But I don't think it was. Obama was not on his game. He's not the strongest debater anyway and he really didn't perform well in the first 2008 debate. But he came around and probably will this time too.

To be honest, Obama should not have agreed to the debates. He didn't need them. The incumbent president, especially one already winning, has nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing this.
 
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