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2012-10-05 12:58:19 PM  

Great Janitor: The My Little Pony Killer: Great Janitor: He openly places it on the podium, not caring who sees it. If this was the note cards that so many anti-Romney people want it to be, wouldn't someone during the debate asked about it?

I'm pretty sure the members of the audience directly in front of him would have been able to see it as well, considering he wasn't completely behind the podium when he started pulling it from his pocket.

But, the camera crew saw what he did. So if he were note cards and the camera man saw it, what's stopping him from saying something? If I were the camera guy at a debate and one of the candidates openly threw note cards onto the table, I would be facebooking and tweeting that instantly. I would be known as the guy who clearly caught a presidential candidate cheating. You can't buy that kind of fame.


And since the camera guy hasn't hit twitter and facebook about this yet, what can we conclude?
 
2012-10-05 12:58:25 PM  

quizzical: This is dumb. Romney has been in politics for years, and he's prepped for debates many times. It's easy to believe that, when everyone said the fate of his campaign was hanging on his performance, he worked hard and had a good night as a result. This whole line of attack makes it seem INCONCEIVABLE that Romney could have a good night without cheating, and that isn't the case.


He's also lied about his residence on his taxes, then lied about his lying about his residence on his taxes, and he's not released his tax returns so as to avoid having to lie yet again...it's weird how many times a proven lying weasel is supposed to given the benefit of a doubt.
 
2012-10-05 12:58:45 PM  

lennavan: [i.imgur.com image 300x300]

LATER IN THE DEBATE MITT ROMNEY SNIFFED HIS CHEATING NOTES HOLY CRAP THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE THAT DESERVES ALL OF OUR ATTENTION


Exactly. Gotta love the many attempts at trying to defend the abysmal performance of the President.
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2012-10-05 12:59:06 PM  

RockofAges: It's a handkerchief concealing something.


What is your evidence?

RockofAges: if you can't tell that the kerchief is simply being used as a visual and rhetorical ally you MIGHT just be less intelligent than average, and surely less perceptive.


What is your evidence?

RockofAges: I could tell because I'm not a brainwashed idiot who thinks that Romney is above this sort of tactic

This

is your evidence? Someone's an idiot, that's for sure.
 
2012-10-05 12:59:12 PM  
My sister called and pointed this out.

She tells me the debaters are provided with paper and a pen.

You can see the paper on each of the debaters podiums at the start of the video.

They're not supposed to bring notes into the debate.


Yeah? Well my mother's brother's half-nephew's cousin's third aunt twice removed told me this was ok...

Was there a pre-posted set of rules that everyone can review, that everyone can weigh and that everyone knows about? There were no rules, as far as I know, stated at the start of the debate... only the format.

Derpity-do...
 
2012-10-05 12:59:14 PM  
I think Romney is a cockbag, but this is a stupid, stupid conspiracy theory. There's 235,239 more things to pound the cult leader with.
 
2012-10-05 12:59:33 PM  

A Shambling Mound: Hale-Bopp: kimwim: Why would he have put a hanky on the table? That would have been weird. And a hanky isn't so large, with such heft. He is a lying sack of shiat, through and through.

THIS.

It landed on the podium dead flat and with weight. Veeeeerry interesting.

You two sound like folks that don't own $80.00+ handkerchiefs.

Seriously, go check out some really expensive cloth hankies and see how heavy they are, then fold one up and toss on a surface.

I dislike Romney as much as anyone else with an ounce of common sense and less than a million in the bank but I don't see what the fuss is here. The dude had a piece of cloth in his pocket.


It's true. I don't own $80.00 handkerchiefs. Can you spare one, brother?
 
2012-10-05 12:59:34 PM  

quizzical: This whole line of attack makes it seem INCONCEIVABLE that Romney could have a good night without cheating, and that isn't the case.


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2012-10-05 01:00:13 PM  

Quasar: Is this like how Bush (or was it McCain) must have had an earpiece?


Bush. McCain was neither dumb enough to need one nor unprincipled enough to use one even if he did.
 
2012-10-05 01:00:27 PM  
Nutbags on both sides never notice how nutbaggy they are.
 
2012-10-05 01:00:37 PM  

badaboom: mrshowrules: For everyone arguing that the the hanky was too bulky, obviously you don't know what 4,000 threadcount Armani custom hankerchief, made with Burmese albino spider silk cleansed in the tears of children orphaned by parents who died because they lost their health care due to their jobs being outsourced by Bain Capital, weighs.

Dollars Bain capital cost you and your grandchildren: $0

Dollars Obama cost you and your grandchildren: $4 trillion


Not really. I'm Canadian and because of bank regulation and moderate Federal tax increases, our budget will be balanced by 2016/2017. However, Bain Capital did move quite a few jobs north of the border so from my perspective they are a job creator. Thanks Romney. Canadians would also like to sell oil to China so please get that Keystone pipeline built for us ASAP. We don't want that dirty shiat running across our country.
 
2012-10-05 01:00:51 PM  
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Some think President Bush was wired to receive help with debate questions by wearing a radio receiver and using a very small undetectable earpiece. (new window)
 
2012-10-05 01:01:15 PM  
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2012-10-05 01:01:18 PM  

badaboom: Ever see the first few posts in any link to a Conservative site?


That's because the only conservative sites that ever get linked are complete bullshiat like American Thinker or PJ Media. It's not our fault the right-wingers on this site insist on submitting apoplectic garbage full of lies and massively twisted "logic" instead of finding something reasonable and intelligent.
 
2012-10-05 01:01:24 PM  

Spaz-master: Exactly. Gotta love the many attempts at trying to defend the abysmal performance of the President.


No I don't. The POTUS did a shiat job. Romney clearly gained more politically out of the debate than Obama did. But rather than hammer on how Romney has no concrete plans whatsoever, rather than focus on discussing topics the POTUS failed to hit, we're biatching about a handkerchief?

I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.
 
2012-10-05 01:02:25 PM  

star_topology: Why put a handkerchief on a podium?


Because he's an idiot? I don't know. But he picks the damn thing up and wipes his face with it later. You think he's using his cheat sheet to wipe his face?
 
2012-10-05 01:02:39 PM  
Does ALEX JONES know about this?
 
2012-10-05 01:02:51 PM  

lennavan: Spaz-master: Exactly. Gotta love the many attempts at trying to defend the abysmal performance of the President.

No I don't. The POTUS did a shiat job. Romney clearly gained more politically out of the debate than Obama did. But rather than hammer on how Romney has no concrete plans whatsoever, rather than focus on discussing topics the POTUS failed to hit, we're biatching about a handkerchief?

I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.


I agree. The best is clearly Mitt Isuzu telling 27 lies in 38 minutes.
 
2012-10-05 01:02:52 PM  
First: Huge Romney supporter here.
Second: He definitely takes something white out of his pocket and puts it on the podium. Looks like index cards.
Third: During the entire debate he rarely looked down at his podium or appeared to be shuffling notes or wrote down much, so even if he did intend to cheat, if necessary, he didn't really need to. They had the split screen that showed Romney when Obama was talking, and Romney was always just looking at Obama with his hands at his side, moving little.
 
2012-10-05 01:02:59 PM  

XyzzyBob: There were no rules, as far as I know, stated at the start of the debate... only the format.


What? Of course there were. The ancient moderator went over them before they started. Domestic Policy debate, consisting of multiple 15 minute segments, started with two-minute answers to questions on the economy, healthcare, and the deficit and debt. He even said all of that clearly, and in English for your convenience.

Did you watch this at all?
 
2012-10-05 01:03:10 PM  

Treygreen13: Baz744: If he did, then reasonable observers will agree that...

Reasonable observers would look at the hundred or so links above of Romney using that same handkerchief later and drop this whole silly issue.


I'm not saying it's conclusive that Romney used crib notes. But the fact that he also had a handkerchief in his possession does not rule out or even really undermine the proposition that he used notes, since it is perfectly possible for him to have brought both. And, it is at least somewhat suspicious that Mitt appeared to pull the document in question from his sleeve, and not his pocket.

At the minimum, it's worth a reporter or three putting the question to him directly, to put him on record in case it is later discovered that he did bring notes.
 
2012-10-05 01:03:19 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: badaboom: Ever see the first few posts in any link to a Conservative site?

That's because the only conservative sites that ever get linked are complete bullshiat like American Thinker or PJ Media. It's not our fault the right-wingers on this site insist on submitting apoplectic garbage full of lies and massively twisted "logic" instead of finding something reasonable and intelligent.


This is definitely not the right thread to make fun of right wingers being retarded.
 
2012-10-05 01:03:22 PM  
I think it was a good tactic.
Obama let him dig a deep, wide, stupid hole filled with lies.

I could've done without the condescending smirks, but letting Romney talk is a brilliant strategy.
He's an asshat and was torn apart by political fact sites.

Debates go like this:
1. Romney appears to win by talking a lot and being aggressive.
2. Obama goads him and and makes him talk more.
3. Romney gets owned and buried under the weight of his cluelessness. Obama goes Blake from Glengarry on him.
 
2012-10-05 01:04:00 PM  

wotthefark: It was his jizz rag.


Why would he need a rag? He spent the whole debate doing this: 

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2012-10-05 01:04:15 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: So now we've gone from "Obama lost because the moderator sucked" to "Obama lost on purpose to trick Romney into giving him sound bytes for ads" to "nuh-uh, Obama didn't lose but MSM is just saying he did" to "Romney cheated"

Absolutely hysterical!! What will be the next excuse?

/don't worry so much, it's just one debate. Obama's still way ahead.


No matter what happens I think most democrats/liberals can admit that Obama sucked Wednesday night.

This scandal could very likely could be nothing. But if, in fact Mitt used notecards, suddenly his constant staring down of Obama while Obama took notes doesn't seem as impressive anymore.
 
2012-10-05 01:04:28 PM  
My decision on who to vote for is riding completely on whether this is a hanky or notes.
 
2012-10-05 01:05:29 PM  

Baz744: I'm not saying it's conclusive that Romney used crib notes. But the fact that he also had a handkerchief in his possession does not rule out or even really undermine the proposition that he used notes, since it is perfectly possible for him to have brought both. And, it is at least somewhat suspicious that Mitt appeared to pull the document in question from his sleeve, and not his pocket.

At the minimum, it's worth a reporter or three putting the question to him directly, to put him on record in case it is later discovered that he did bring notes.


Oh my god you people are freaking retards.... the absence of evidence is not the proof of anything. Maybe you should start hanging out with the birthers.
 
2012-10-05 01:05:44 PM  

SlothB77: Romney was always just looking at Obama with his hands at his side, moving little.


Courtesy of advanced targeting scanners and gyroscopic stabilizer.
 
2012-10-05 01:06:19 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: badaboom: Ever see the first few posts in any link to a Conservative site?

That's because the only conservative sites that ever get linked are complete bullshiat like American Thinker or PJ Media. It's not our fault the right-wingers on this site insist on submitting apoplectic garbage full of lies and massively twisted "logic" instead of finding something reasonable and intelligent.


Funny, we feel the same exact way about the Daily Kos.
 
2012-10-05 01:07:04 PM  

Headso: This comes off even more whiny than complaining about the moderator, the conspiracy theory adds a zest of crazy too.


Now we know the TRUE PURPOSE of the Magic Underwear. Every Mormon has a secret operation at puberty where their Magic Underwear is wired directly to their brain. It then receives radio signals from Romney's Mormon Church handlers in Salt Lake City. All Romney had to do was verbally lip sync what his Handlers were saying! Romney was cheating! It's true! I read it on the Internets!
 
2012-10-05 01:07:39 PM  

RockofAges: My evidence is using my own two eyes and my brain to come to a rational conclusion


This is not a rational conclusion. You are just as stupid as the birthers.

RockofAges: in tandem with what is clearly a five pound handkerchief with the stiffness of a cardboard box.


How many handkerchief's do you own? Zero. But I'm sure you totally know anyways.

RockofAges: Oh, and the "slick delivery".


Yes yes, exactly. The "slick delivery." Whatever the fark that means. Yeah, that's clear proof of a conspiracy here.

RockofAges: It's so obvious that he's attempting to hide the placement from the crowd that you'd have to be a complete rube to willfully ignore it.


Yeah that makes good sense, Romney was smart enough to hide it from the crowd but not the cameras, which is why smart guys like you were able to bust him.

I apologize to the birthers in the thread. You're clearly more stupid.
 
2012-10-05 01:08:08 PM  

SideshowRaheem: You know how you feel when conservative sites put forward something so ridiculous that you can't believe people far for it? Yeah, this is the liberal version of that.


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2012-10-05 01:08:20 PM  

lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.


Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.
 
2012-10-05 01:08:47 PM  

star_topology: JackieRabbit: The Daily Kos is so farking stupid. That was quite clearly a handkerchief.

Why put a handkerchief on a podium?


So it would be there when he needed it and he wouldn't have to dig it out of his pocket while he was speaking. This is not uncommon for a speaker. It gets rather hot under stage lights. Some people want a cloth to dab away any sweat. He used the thing several times during the debate.
 
2012-10-05 01:08:50 PM  
What I find amusing is that Mitt will still lose because his fellow republicans won't vote for someone in that crazy religion.
 
2012-10-05 01:09:26 PM  

kimwim: Why would he have put a hanky on the table? That would have been weird. And a hanky isn't so large, with such heft. He is a lying sack of shiat, through and through.


During the debate Romney wiped his upper lip with a hanky folded into a thick square. i am pretty sure that is what we are seeing. Romney is scum but I hardly think he would risk bringing his own notes.
 
2012-10-05 01:09:45 PM  
Heh. This is a really stupid thing to get worked up over. Still voting for Obama, but he definitely didn't win the debate. Just not a strong showing, which is a shame because Mitt 'won' about as convincingly as the talent portion of a beauty contest. As a debate it was mostly a flop in general, although Obama did at least present some actual content, just not terribly well.
 
2012-10-05 01:10:17 PM  

badaboom: Funny, we feel the same exact way about the Daily Kos.


There are plenty of biased opinion sites on the right that still behave reasonably and rationally. LGF, now that they've kicked out the lunatics, would be a decent example. Or you could link George Will. Even Krauthammer behaves reasonably at times and he's fairly intelligent.

But, yea, I'm sure it's all KOS's fault you pea-brains are always submitting garbage from Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin. KOS also pissed in your Cheerios, kicked your dog and made your hair turn grey.
 
2012-10-05 01:10:33 PM  
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2012-10-05 01:10:41 PM  

Baz744: lennavan: I mean I thought Romney was a bit better but if the best the left has is handkerchiefgate, then apparently Romney wiped the floor with Obama.

Meh. This is a post on DailyKos. Neither the Obama campaign, nor the Democratic Party, nor any major figure on "the left" has made a big deal out of this. They've focused instead on what is verifiable.

I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.


Alright. Now I see the thread. My bad.
 
2012-10-05 01:11:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: [i194.photobucket.com image 480x600]


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2012-10-05 01:12:03 PM  

Magorn: Peter von Nostrand: WTF does "hinky" mean?

We also did this shiat years ago with the Bush "earpiece" thing. Fark around

Interestingly enough, I more or less recieved indirect confimation that it was SOP for Bush and Rove to do an earpiece and microphone thing at most major speeches Bush gave. I knew a guy who is a "rigger" in Downtown DC and sets up lights/sound etc for most press conferences and televised speeches downtown. He told me flat out that the POTUS and his crew alway brought their own Camera that faced the crowd and fed to a montor Karl rove Watched and that he'd radio speech updates/alterations to Bush on the fly based on the crowd's reaction to what the president was saying


Is there some.... Significance... to your Capitalizing "camera" and "watched"?

Curious minds want to know.
 
2012-10-05 01:12:22 PM  
The guy "won" a debate by burying his competitor in such a pile of lies, mistruths and strawmen that he had no hope of knocking them all down and still getting a word in edgewise.
Who gives a fark what mechanics were in play? The strategy itself is such an incredibly cowardly, intellectually dishonest, meta, bush-league move, and shows such incredible contempt for the audience (in assuming we're all to stupid to notice or too invested in political team affiliation to care) that I really don't think there's any 'secret' to uncover that could make his performance *worse*.
 
2012-10-05 01:12:44 PM  

syrynxx: JusticeandIndependence:

Look up the term 'threadshiatting' some time. There's no need to post the same image 700 times in multiple posts, you idiot.


Just trying to help those less fortunate. You know, the ones that don't read the thread before posting in it.
 
2012-10-05 01:12:49 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: star_topology: Why put a handkerchief on a podium?

Because he's an idiot? I don't know. But he picks the damn thing up and wipes his face with it later. You think he's using his cheat sheet to wipe his face?


Kneejerk reaction rescinded. I'm the idiot.

Where's my hankie?
 
2012-10-05 01:12:58 PM  

Baz744: I haven't looked, but I also haven't seen a thread for the unemployment numbers that were released today, that favor Obama. Remember: the mods here select the daily Fark discussion issues. Not "the left" or any institutional figures on the left.


Interesting. 7.8%, lowest in 4 years, stocks up, dollar value up and slightly more jobs created than forecasted. While I don't think Obama has a magic wand to have made this happen any more than Romney does, it's good news wherever it came from. Hooray Friday.
 
2012-10-05 01:13:05 PM  

89 Stick-Up Kid: What I find amusing is that Mitt will still lose because his fellow republicans won't vote for someone in that crazy religion.


Oh yes they will. Not 100% of them, but >95%.
 
2012-10-05 01:13:21 PM  

RockofAges: Ultimately, it's a minor and / or inconsequential event. I think its slimy, but it's not like I'll spend time thinking about it beyond today or maybe tomorrow.


I agree that if Romney brought notes, it's minor. It's no Watergate/Iran Contra/Clinton BJ. But I disagree that it's inconsequential. The allegation, if true, shows that he dishonored an important contract to cheat during a debate. That in turn would reflect in a small but consequential way on his moral fitness for the presidency.
 
2012-10-05 01:13:32 PM  

RockofAges: But I choose to believe it because...


I know why you believe it but you wouldn't want me to tell you what it is.
 
2012-10-05 01:13:56 PM  
OMG ROMNEY CHEATED!
 
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