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(Talking Points Memo)   Moments after the unemployment numbers were released, Jack Welch insisted the Bureau of Labor Statistics was part of a vast conspiracy and they are helping President Obama change numbers. Jack Welch has created a Job Truthers movement   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 293
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2012-10-05 11:31:18 AM  
Jack Welsh is also the guy who dismissively said on the Colbert Report that outsourcing has been great for America.
 
2012-10-05 11:32:12 AM  
So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?
 
2012-10-05 11:37:46 AM  
Isn't this a repeat? How many unemployment numbers followup stories are we going to get?
 
2012-10-05 11:38:22 AM  
Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.
 
2012-10-05 11:38:44 AM  
He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 11:42:16 AM  

Via Infinito: Isn't this a repeat? How many unemployment numbers followup stories are we going to get?


How many Jack Welch stories have we been getting?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 11:45:20 AM  

JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.



I am sure some have been delaying hiring in hope of influencing the election. I mean, if you are running a large corporation you know that announcing a large hire of people would be good news for the incumbent.

I think there will be a sudden slight drop in unemployment right after the election no matter who wins.
 
2012-10-05 11:47:43 AM  

vpb: Via Infinito: Isn't this a repeat? How many unemployment numbers followup stories are we going to get?

How many Jack Welch stories have we been getting?


lol. Good point. But damn. So many piles of derp to sift through...
 
2012-10-05 12:05:54 PM  
There is another side to this story. They want the numbers to look bad for Obama so that once Romney gets elected they can spend the next couple of months padding their numbers and it gives them the ability to say, "Look at how much the economy jumped as soon as the election happened. This proves that businesses were just holding back in fear of Obama's policies."
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 12:31:06 PM  

Slives: There is another side to this story. They want the numbers to look bad for Obama so that once Romney gets elected they can spend the next couple of months padding their numbers and it gives them the ability to say, "Look at how much the economy jumped as soon as the election happened. This proves that businesses were just holding back in fear of Obama's policies."


They have already said that businesses are holding back because of his policies.
 
2012-10-05 12:53:42 PM  
The billionaire who retired with a billion dollar pension from GE? That Jack Welch? That lying sack of crap?
 
2012-10-05 01:11:25 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 01:23:20 PM  
Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.
 
2012-10-05 01:28:31 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.



I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.
 
2012-10-05 01:30:16 PM  
It would be the first time that walking turd actually created something worthwhile.
 
2012-10-05 01:32:32 PM  

meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


I pretty much feel the same way... We would be in a MUCH better position right now than had they not resorted to scorched earth politics...

Burn everything to make him a 1 turn president! We HAVE to show "those people" and our constituents that "those people" are simply not bred for running a country! Socialism!
 
2012-10-05 01:32:39 PM  

meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


Or how about a sim of what would have happened had the stimulus/auto bailout/TARP not been implemented?

/Oh, and a sim for what Craig Kilborn's career would look like had he not left the Daily Show
//Asking for a friend
 
2012-10-05 01:32:40 PM  
It was Jack Welch, standing in GE subsidiary NBC's election night coverage studio on Election Night in 2000, who said (though the numbers were still technically inconclusive), "Call it for Bush."

Simply a data point, nothing more.
 
2012-10-05 01:32:47 PM  
Why won't Jack Welch answer the reports that say he helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990?
 
2012-10-05 01:32:50 PM  
The leader of the "job truther" movement: former GE CEO Jack Welch.

"Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers," he said on Twitter.


I would just like to take this moment to remind people GE has made $80 Billion in the last decade, paying a 2.3% tax rate on that profit.

Link
 
2012-10-05 01:33:43 PM  
Begs to be photoshopped like an Iranian UFO.

talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2012-10-05 01:34:30 PM  
Good:

Point out that unemployment statistics often ignore the long term unemployed and those who have given up on job hunts altogether.

Bad:

Go full retard and rant about conspiracies.
 
2012-10-05 01:35:26 PM  
thesmokingnun.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 01:36:16 PM  
How about you use your billions to hire somebody instead of whining about how everything sucks?
 
2012-10-05 01:36:50 PM  
FTA: "hoping for bad news".
Pretty much sums up the extent of GOP planing these days.
Egg sucking dogs would be more helpful.
Four years of intentionally dragging the country down "because there is a farking Black Man in OUR White House" is so old and busted.

These fundies are not going to get over it. Call it what it is, TREASON, and start hanging the asshats.

There is no butthurt like Fundie Butthurt. It is of biblical proportions.
 
2012-10-05 01:36:54 PM  
i worked with a client who was a 'master black-belt' at GE under Welch
he said it was a horrible environment - constant fear
the best GE idea he ever heard was 'selling Pepto Bismol and Depends in the parking lot'
 
2012-10-05 01:37:02 PM  
All i need to know about Jack Walsh is that he was the last word on Leno over Letterman
 
2012-10-05 01:37:53 PM  

teto85: The billionaire who retired with a billion dollar pension from GE? That Jack Welch? That lying sack of crap?


Yes, the same Jack Welsh who would fire 10% of his executives yearly based on the vote (effectively) of all of those executives. Look up "vitality curve" to see what I mean.

He's an overrated buffoon who's opinion is worth less than dog shiat.
 
2012-10-05 01:38:11 PM  

reillan: Why won't Jack Welch answer the reports that say he helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990?


Because he is still pissed about the B3 Bomber.
 
2012-10-05 01:38:24 PM  

I_C_Weener: I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


Partially.

Let's face it, when Jack was at the helm of GE, every corporation worshiped GE management.
 
2012-10-05 01:38:54 PM  
So, people still listen to Neutron Jack?
 
2012-10-05 01:39:06 PM  
The timing is a little suspect, but I doubt the guy who can't pull off a debate could pull off this!
 
2012-10-05 01:39:38 PM  
For you Job TrutherTM's out there:

ADP Employment Report

Gallup Employment Report

Oh no, the conspiracy is bigger than we thought!
 
2012-10-05 01:39:54 PM  

meat0918: I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


I typically say I wish he had an "It's a Wonderful Life" moment where we could see the result of a McCain-Palin presidency. It would have been a disaster.
 
2012-10-05 01:40:05 PM  

lennavan: The leader of the "job truther" movement: former GE CEO Jack Welch.

"Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers," he said on Twitter.

I would just like to take this moment to remind people GE has made $80 Billion in the last decade, paying a 2.3% tax rate on that profit.

Link


i'm curious- when did Jeffrey Imelt become CEO? Oh YEAH! that would be 2000. WHO'S not paying "Their fair share"?
 
2012-10-05 01:40:47 PM  
Will it be able to counter the snot-ragger movement from the left? That is the important question.

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-10-05 01:41:07 PM  
Weird that they implicitly trusted the numbers until they told a story they didn't like.
 
2012-10-05 01:41:14 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 01:42:03 PM  
There are few words that kill credibility quite like "conspiracy." Especially since it's ALWAYS the "other side" that's doing it.
 
2012-10-05 01:43:18 PM  
I read a Jack Welch book once. That was a terrible idea.

Here is a man who had one trick, seeing the end of the 70s fascination with conglomerates, and parlaying that in the age of Reagan into fame amongst MBA students. He himself hasn't run anything since bailing out with his golden parachute is ballyhooed proteges were all exposed to be hacks. Nardelli received multiple chances to fark up.
 
2012-10-05 01:43:36 PM  
I would atleast expect a bump after QE3.

After QE10 and 11 we might have things back to normal.
 
2012-10-05 01:43:43 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: [thesmokingnun.files.wordpress.com image 600x212]


i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-05 01:44:34 PM  
Is Gallup in on it too?

growlersoftware.com

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 01:44:36 PM  

meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.
 
2012-10-05 01:45:05 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I read a Jack Welch book once. That was a terrible idea.

Here is a man who had one trick, seeing the end of the 70s fascination with conglomerates, and parlaying that in the age of Reagan into fame amongst MBA students. He himself hasn't run anything since bailing out with his golden parachute is ballyhooed proteges were all exposed to be hacks. Nardelli received multiple chances to fark up.


And his much ballyhooed proteges.
 
2012-10-05 01:45:51 PM  

dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect



The jobs reports are released on a timed schedule. I could have told you a year ago that there would be a BLS jobs report today because that's been on the BLS schedule for that long.

If the report was bad, none of the right wingnuts would have any problems with the timing. "Ooooh, and the hits on Obama just keep coming!"

The BLS report schedule from this past year:

October 2011 - Nov. 04, 2011 - 08:30 AM
November 2011 - Dec. 02, 2011 - 08:30 AM
December 2011 - Jan. 06, 2012 - 08:30 AM
January 2012 - Feb. 03, 2012 - 08:30 AM
February 2012 - Mar. 09, 2012 - 08:30 AM
March 2012 - Apr. 06, 2012 - 08:30 AM
April 2012 - May. 04, 2012 - 08:30 AM
May 2012 - Jun. 01, 2012 - 08:30 AM
June 2012 - Jul. 06, 2012 - 08:30 AM
July 2012 - Aug. 03, 2012 - 08:30 AM
August 2012 - Sep. 07, 2012 - 08:30 AM
September 2012 - Oct. 05, 2012 - 08:30 AM
October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM
November 2012 - Dec. 07, 2012 - 08:30 AM
 
2012-10-05 01:46:05 PM  
Jack Welch is a douche-- but he's got a point about how fungible those unemployment numbers are. As some other posters have noted, they're pretty easily moved a few points either way by how long term unemployed and those no longer seeking jobs are counted.

/csb on

I live in DC-- don't work around politics or gov't but can't help but have friends who do. Was having a drink this weekend with buddy who works in communications and press as Dep't of Human Service.

He told me there is a 100% hold on all announcements and press releases at the agency until after the election. Reason given: "don't want to give Republicans anything to make trouble with".

// csb off

So yes, our government's announcements, even the most mundane, are often politicized-- by both sides.
 
2012-10-05 01:46:11 PM  

Hagenhatesyouall: [thesmokingnun.files.wordpress.com image 600x212]


Not sure if sarcasm - or down syndrome.
 
2012-10-05 01:46:25 PM  
profile.ak.fbcdn.netwww.multivu.com
 
2012-10-05 01:47:37 PM  

BitwiseShift: Begs to be photoshopped like an Iranian UFO.

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 400x240]


I can't tell if he looks more like an aging elf or a young nosferatu.
 
2012-10-05 01:48:14 PM  
thesmokingnun.files.wordpress.com

What Zero Job Growth might look like:

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-05 01:48:15 PM  
Any idea with why they're running with "conspiracy" rather than "the market got so excited for a President Romney after the debate, job creators finally deemed us worthy of creating a job"?
 
2012-10-05 01:48:31 PM  

Bigbobhooter: Dep't of Human Service.


IT'S A COOKBOOK
 
2012-10-05 01:48:50 PM  
PREDICTION: There will be another BLS jobs report on November 2nd, and then again on December 7th. The Right Wing Retard Brigade on Fark is going to have their farking minds blown when that prediction comes true. I'm either a psychic heathen or I'm in on the conspiracy!
 
2012-10-05 01:49:28 PM  
Even if the President had that kind of pull, every single President would be doing the same. So taken on aggregate the range remains the same.
 
2012-10-05 01:49:40 PM  
Between this and hankygate I'm starting to think that comet they found is starting to make people even more retarded than normal.
 
2012-10-05 01:50:11 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Any idea with why they're running with "conspiracy" rather than "the market got so excited for a President Romney after the debate, job creators finally deemed us worthy of creating a job"?


Maybe not even Republicans are dumb enough to believe that you could hire 100k people overnight.
 
2012-10-05 01:50:38 PM  

Bigbobhooter: Jack Welch is a douche-- but he's got a point about how fungible those unemployment numbers are.


Odd that he never brings that up when they're supporting a GOP narrative.
 
2012-10-05 01:52:35 PM  
Ah, yes. Neutron Jack, called that for 30 years because of his ability to wipe out all the people and leave empty buildings standing.
 
2012-10-05 01:52:47 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Any idea with why they're running with "conspiracy" rather than "the market got so excited for a President Romney after the debate, job creators finally deemed us worthy of creating a job"?


I suspect Welch blew the lid on it because there were no pre-approved marching orders from the party leadership. It's just like when bin Laden was killed and took the right by surprise. Without preplanned talking points the apologists were just wandering threads in a daze throwing whatever shiat they could to see what might stick. Took 'em a few days to get their orders and solidify a message.
 
2012-10-05 01:52:53 PM  
Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later
 
2012-10-05 01:53:11 PM  
"Jobbers"?
 
2012-10-05 01:53:41 PM  
There's nobody home. You can see it in his eyes.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-05 01:53:43 PM  

impaler: Is Gallup in on it too?

[growlersoftware.com image 580x559]

[growlersoftware.com image 580x544]


Typical liberal polling by Gallup there. Rasmussen polled 5,000 children and senior citizens and found a whopping 99% unemployment rate. There is simply no excuse for 99% unemployment, no matter how much Presidebt Barack wants to try to make one up. This is due to Barry Hussein Marshall Davis's failed leadership and policies.
 
2012-10-05 01:53:51 PM  

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?
 
2012-10-05 01:54:11 PM  

Mentat: Jack Welsh is also the guy who dismissively said on the Colbert Report that outsourcing has been great for America.


It has, absolutely. How succesful is Apple for instance? Think they could do that paying workers $35 an hour to make their phones? Think the millions of people who went from manufacturing to high tech jobs miss it? Do you want to work in a sneaker factory?

The economy is global, like it or not.

now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense. Take that as you will.
 
2012-10-05 01:54:47 PM  
Jack Welch? You mean that guy that sold out GE for short term gain that almost led to the collapse of the company?
 
2012-10-05 01:54:51 PM  

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


Actually, 7.8%. Which is lower than it was when Obama took office. You're welcome.
 
2012-10-05 01:55:02 PM  

JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.


And this is the first thing I think about when they start screaming about conspiracies. None of us were even thinking about conspiracy. So as it is in relationships and voter fraud, the first one to make an issue of it is usually the guilty party projecting their own sins on others.
 
2012-10-05 01:55:18 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?



Truth hurts?
 
2012-10-05 01:55:25 PM  
Jack Welch knows plenty about cooking books.

www.ritholtz.com
 
2012-10-05 01:56:42 PM  

Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.


images.politico.com

Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

i51.tinypic.com 

We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.
 
2012-10-05 01:56:57 PM  

Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.


Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:18 PM  

I_C_Weener: I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


Jack Welch is an archetype of the Alpha Dick Boss cult that American business finds itself wallowing in. You don't need to be a competent manager or someone with a long-term strategy, you just have to go into boardrooms and stockholder meetings and baffle them with as much loud, fast bullshiat as it takes. If you can get and keep a huge executive salary for your posturing, so much the better, because more expensive things are viewed as better and no one wants to believe they bought $60 million of snake oil. Spend a couple years slashing everything, and you can move on to rape the next company, knowing golden parachutes will follow you for the rest of your working life. Wipe hands on pants.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:36 PM  

impaler: Is Gallup in on it too?

[growlersoftware.com image 580x559]

[growlersoftware.com image 580x544]


Yes, but once you apply proper unskewed poll methodology to it you get to see the real truth:

public.gettysburg.edu

Unemployment is already at 74% and climbing! In another month or two it will be over 100%!!!! Many people will *not* have more than one job.

Unless of course you elect Mitt Romney.

Romney. He'll make everything better. (Details after the election)
 
2012-10-05 01:57:45 PM  

Edsel: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

Actually, 7.8%. Which is lower than it was when Obama took office. You're welcome.


And that's WITH the Republicans doing everything in their power to hamstring the economy to hurt Obama.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:58 PM  

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later



That's how much it cost us to clean up the last Republican mess. Let's not have to do that again, OK?
 
2012-10-05 01:58:19 PM  

rev. dave: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.

And this is the first thing I think about when they start screaming about conspiracies. None of us were even thinking about conspiracy. So as it is in relationships and voter fraud, the first one to make an issue of it is usually the guilty party projecting their own sins on others.


So in other words, "He who smelt it, dealt it." And there's a lot to smell when you're around Presidebt Fart..........
 
2012-10-05 01:58:47 PM  

Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense. Take that as you will.


I don't think you know what the word "flat" means.


growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 01:58:54 PM  
Raising questions about the unemployment rate number falling so close to the election is one thing. Claiming it's a massive conspiracy looks like certifiable batshiat farktardery. Rethuglicans might want to be careful about how much they push this thing. Go overboard on it and you appear to be rooting for the country to fail. Besides, most voters already make a mental adjustment and put the unemployment rate at least 5-10 percentage points above the official number to account for all the people who have become so discouraged that they simply stop looking for work, at least for a while.

\horrified by what's happened to the GOP, but happy that now even many conservatives see Obama isn't the caricature he's often made out to be.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:23 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.

Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.


Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.
 
2012-10-05 02:01:06 PM  
i.imgur.com

Don't worry Republicans maybe another Ambassador will die. That seems to make you happy.

maineprogressiveswarehouse.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-05 02:01:46 PM  
Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?
 
2012-10-05 02:02:08 PM  

Thunderpipes: flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job?


It's actually increadibly common for employment to go up in the fall. In fact, it happens every year. Seasonal hiring is a real thing.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:29 PM  

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.

Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.

Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.


So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:39 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


That's how much it cost us to clean up the last Republican mess. Let's not have to do that again, OK?



LULZ...give me some o that Obama weed you're smokin. How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..You cannot, so you blame
 
2012-10-05 02:03:11 PM  

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good?


When you inherit the greatest financial crises since the great depression?
 
2012-10-05 02:03:24 PM  

vpb: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.


I am sure some have been delaying hiring in hope of influencing the election. I mean, if you are running a large corporation you know that announcing a large hire of people would be good news for the incumbent.

I think there will be a sudden slight drop in unemployment right after the election no matter who wins.


I was out at the bar the night of the debates. I was having a drink with the president of the company I work for. I was finishing my drink and telling him I had to go when it was done so I could go home and watch the debate.

He started telling me to go watch the 2016 movie, how Obama is a socialist and a Muslim, that China owns us, and that if he gets re-elected our country will fail before the end of his next term. He then started to go into detail about how Mitt Romney was the best person ever for our great country. He said lots of fun stuff throughout the conversation.

I wound up staying for another drink and talking to him. The conversation got a little heated at times, but that's just how we communicate. I basically shot down all of his talking points. By the end of it, I was sure I was going to get fired when I got to work the next day. But when he got here, he just stopped by and said hello, then thanked me for the passionate debate and gave me credit for pointing out things that he was unaware of. Then he told me that no matter what he had learned, he just knew that Obama was bad for the country, and there was nothing I could ever say or do to change his mind. Then reminded me to go watch the movie he told me about.

So I guess I am happy to still be employed, but I feel really bad for my country. I live in the reddest part of Nebraska, so I guess I should have known what I was getting into.
 
2012-10-05 02:03:32 PM  

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good?



Look at the trend. And cry moar.
 
2012-10-05 02:04:00 PM  
Sorry Jack, but anytime Allen West comes to your defense and agrees with you, any and all credibility flies out the window, at least to rational, intelligent people, that is.
 
2012-10-05 02:04:12 PM  

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.

Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.

Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!. Let me read that again. Yep, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!! You know how I know you are a farking willfully ignorant loon?
 
2012-10-05 02:04:18 PM  

legalgus: Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


More people joined the job search this month. Why not... actually read up on the jobs report before parrotting GOP talking points that you don't appear to even understand?
 
2012-10-05 02:04:22 PM  

Thunderpipes: Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.


Doesn't seem much different than gallup's.

Why is it idiots like you think that what you imagine in your head is somehow more accurate than the figures from people that go out and poll thousands of people to measure reality?

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 02:04:45 PM  

publikenemy: shower_in_my_socks: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


That's how much it cost us to clean up the last Republican mess. Let's not have to do that again, OK?


LULZ...give me some o that Obama weed you're smokin. How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..


Ask Boner, he's got the purse strings.
 
2012-10-05 02:05:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.


You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?
 
2012-10-05 02:05:36 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect


The jobs reports are released on a timed schedule. I could have told you a year ago that there would be a BLS jobs report today because that's been on the BLS schedule for that long.

If the report was bad, none of the right wingnuts would have any problems with the timing. "Ooooh, and the hits on Obama just keep coming!"

The BLS report schedule from this past year:
...
October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM


Obama better hope this report is a good one as well.
 
2012-10-05 02:05:53 PM  

publikenemy: How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..



The Great Depression II has been averted, and you're in a thread that is celebrating the continued lowering of the unemployment rate after a massive recession that hit during your boy Dubya's 7th year in office. I could go farther, but I'm putting dumbasses like you on ignore instead -- you brainwashed trolls aren't worth the time.
 
2012-10-05 02:06:48 PM  
Hey, at least makes some sense as a goal.
As opposed to the last derping point about Obama keeping gas prices higher because... who the fark knows why?
(somehow high gas prices were thought to be *good* for his re-election chances? or something?)


I don't think you can get a clearer example of how patently insane our country and its discourse have become, than tracking the inane 'criticisms' of Obama that have been and continue to be created. It's like all the fringe lunatic shiat said by random internet accounts about GWB -- but when it's pointed at Obama, it's coming from Congressmen, Senators, State politicians, party officials, prominent talking heads and radio hosts, former administration officials... It's absolutely mind-bottling.
 
2012-10-05 02:07:38 PM  

wxboy: October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM

Obama better hope this report is a good one as well.



That report won't matter. It's too late in the game to have a measurable outcome on the election, one way or the other, unless we lose or gain like 1,000,000 jobs this month. This was the last jobs report that will have any impact on the election.
 
2012-10-05 02:08:36 PM  
Today's GOP: "We want bad things for Americans unless we're in charge."

fark you.
 
2012-10-05 02:08:39 PM  

Thunderpipes: and the household survey, flat for years


If you take a look at the trend from Jan 2010 to today, it's clearly not flat, it's declining. Today's release isn't outside of the trend at all.

Source
 
2012-10-05 02:08:48 PM  

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


yeah republicans, thanks for the trillion dollar budget deficits and no jobs bills being passed. just imagine what it would be if they had accepted the 4 trillion in cuts and the jobs bills Obama has offered up?
 
2012-10-05 02:09:11 PM  
I love it. People are still contending that things are just fine..
and improving

been hearing that for the last 4 years, thanks
 
2012-10-05 02:10:21 PM  

Hobodeluxe: just imagine what it would be if they had accepted the 4 trillion in cuts and the jobs bills Obama has offered up?



You mean the Obama jobs bill that Republicans deny ever even existed? Farking treasonous right wing @ssholes. Americans suffered because of them.
 
2012-10-05 02:10:36 PM  
lennavan I would just like to take this moment to remind people GE has made $80 Billion in the last decade, paying a 2.3% tax rate on that profit.


Wonderful model perpetuated by Immelt.. `and then what happened?' 'Gee, we bring good socialism to life'...

To take one example: On Sept. 15, 2008, the day Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy, Paulson says he was "startled" when Immelt came to his office and told him GE was finding it "very difficult" to sell short-term debt "for any term longer than overnight." A day earlier, GE sent investors a letter saying its ability to sell commercial paper was "robust." Immelt, in a statement issued Friday by GE, said he "does not believe" the two discussed problems with GE commercial paper on Sept. 15, or in one previous talk. The company did not contest Paulson's account of other conversations about the issue a few weeks later.

Paulson's disclosures help flesh out one of the more perplexing mysteries of the 2008 bailout package: How, in a matter of a few weeks, GE's highly profitable finance arm, GE Capital, became eligible for a federal debt guarantee program that initially excluded firms like GE.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/05/AR201 0 020504212.html
 
2012-10-05 02:10:41 PM  

dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect, but I doubt the guy who can't pull off a debate could pull off this!


Nice conspiracy theory. BLS publishes data on a schedule, you know, like any other boring bureaucracy.
Do you also believe the NOAA released a hurricane on the GOP convention on Obama's orders too?
 
2012-10-05 02:11:07 PM  

reillan: Why won't Jack Welch answer the reports that say he helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990?


It's not true that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990. You may have heard rumors that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990, but those rumors re false. I don' even know how the rumor that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990 got started. So, if someone tells you that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990, tell them that it's not true that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990.
 
GBB
2012-10-05 02:11:15 PM  

super_grass: Good:

Point out that unemployment statistics often ignore the long term unemployed and those who have given up on job hunts altogether.

Bad:

Go full retard and rant about conspiracies.


Good:
Looking for a job even though you are sure you won't get hired.
Bad:
Give in, stop looking for a job, then turn around and complain that the unemployment figures don't include you.
 
2012-10-05 02:11:15 PM  

deeproy: Jack Welch? You mean that guy that sold out GE for short term gain that almost led to the collapse of the company?


Wait a second...under Welch GE's value rose 4000%.

By almost any account, he was the greatest CEO in the 20th century.

But don't let facts and other reality-based commentary get in the way of your derp-fest.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:11 PM  
And the news cycle feeds you all the entertainment you need for another few days. You're distracted, as usual, and continue to enjoy the Us vs Them Show, while the real people in charge keep running things the way they have for centuries, regardless of the "leaders" they choose for us.

You buy into it. You buy into the arguments and the lies. You buy into the excitement and division. You don't want to work together. You NEED this show to keep you busy.

Whoever "wins", it will be exactly who the real rulers want in place for the next four years, because it serves their needs and tips the scales in the direction they want them tipped. You have about as much choice and voice in the direction of the world as an ant has in whether or not you flood his home with your garden hose.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:20 PM  
Everyone not working, raise your hands.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:39 PM  
Even if you think the numbers are cooked, is that REALLY something you want to be saying outloud for the entire world to see? It's amazing how people like that can make it to the top.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:44 PM  

natas6.0: I love it. People are still contending that things are just fine..
and improving

been hearing that for the last 4 years, thanks


That's how time works.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:52 PM  

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


It was 7.3% at this point in 1984.
 
2012-10-05 02:13:10 PM  

Coach_J: By almost any account, he was the greatest CEO in the 20th century.


come on now....
 
2012-10-05 02:13:51 PM  

snocone: FTA: "hoping for bad news".
Pretty much sums up the extent of GOP planing these days.
Egg sucking dogs would be more helpful.
Four years of intentionally dragging the country down "because there is a farking Black Man in OUR White House" is so old and busted.

These fundies are not going to get over it. Call it what it is, TREASON, and start hanging the asshats.

There is no butthurt like Fundie Butthurt. It is of biblical proportions.


You appear to have short memory syndrome.
 
2012-10-05 02:13:59 PM  

dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect, but I doubt the guy who can't pull off a debate could pull off this!


You're right. The first Friday of the month is a completely inexplicable time to release the previous month's job report. It was inexplicable when they did it last month, and it will be inexplicable again when they do it on November 2.
 
2012-10-05 02:14:04 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: i.imgur.com


That is about ten times funnier than it should be. Funny'd.
 
2012-10-05 02:14:06 PM  
Was Welch in charge when GE was paying no taxes

natas6.0: I love it. People are still contending that things are just fine..
and improving

been hearing that for the last 4 years, thanks


Fine is not an absolute state. There is always room for improvement.

Please learn the meaning of words for your own sake.
 
2012-10-05 02:14:11 PM  
Meh, people have been spinning the debate since yesterday too circle the wagons around Barry. So is anyone really surprised at this?

/The only time the truth gets told is when your side is in charge, right?
 
2012-10-05 02:14:29 PM  

Arkanaut: legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?

It was 7.3% at this point in 1984.


that .5% difference is the difference between Saint Reagan, greatest president of all time! and the second coming of Hitler meets muslim anarchist mooncheese baby!
 
2012-10-05 02:14:30 PM  
Read that as Jack "Webb," heard "Dragnet" theme

/Tum Tah Dum-dum

//Yes, ripped off by "Tums"
 
2012-10-05 02:14:54 PM  

ZeroCorpse: And the news cycle feeds you all the entertainment you need for another few days. You're distracted, as usual, and continue to enjoy the Us vs Them Show, while the real people in charge keep running things the way they have for centuries, regardless of the "leaders" they choose for us.

You buy into it. You buy into the arguments and the lies. You buy into the excitement and division. You don't want to work together. You NEED this show to keep you busy.

Whoever "wins", it will be exactly who the real rulers want in place for the next four years, because it serves their needs and tips the scales in the direction they want them tipped. You have about as much choice and voice in the direction of the world as an ant has in whether or not you flood his home with your garden hose.


Yes, because all the "real leaders" are of one mind and work together in secret. Speak truth to power!
 
2012-10-05 02:15:30 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: wxboy: October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM

Obama better hope this report is a good one as well.


That report won't matter. It's too late in the game to have a measurable outcome on the election, one way or the other, unless we lose or gain like 1,000,000 jobs this month. This was the last jobs report that will have any impact on the election.


Sure it will. A bad jobs report will be regarded by the GOP as God's honest truth, don'tcha know.

Someday they'll run out of mud to throw in the refs' faces.
 
2012-10-05 02:15:30 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Whoever "wins", it will be exactly who the real rulers want in place for the next four years



This sounds like a 16-year-olds punk rock lyric. I guarantee you the "real rulers" don't want to elect a guy who is going to eliminate the Bush Tax Cuts for the rich. I guarantee you they don't want the people who want to KEEP all of those expensive social safety nets. The Military Industrial Complex doesn't want the guy who is refusing to back a war with Iran. It's the simpleton's way out to just throw up your hands and say both sides are the same. Pay attention -- they farking aren't the same.
 
2012-10-05 02:15:43 PM  
Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic
 
2012-10-05 02:16:22 PM  
You know what's funny?

If you present conservatives with facts, their standard operating procedure is to attack the messenger.
If you tell them that some dude rose from the dead 2000 years ago, they accept that without question.
 
2012-10-05 02:16:28 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: publikenemy: How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..


The Great Depression II has been averted, and you're in a thread that is celebrating the continued lowering of the unemployment rate after a massive recession that hit during your boy Dubya's 7th year in office. I could go farther, but I'm putting dumbasses like you on ignore instead -- you brainwashed trolls aren't worth the time.


i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress. You know- the people who actually HOLD the purse strings. And, oh look! Obama was part of that group, too. I'd say if you track the failure, it tends to trend with whoever runs congress. If the House and the Senate are split, it trends with whoever has the presidency as well.

Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.
 
2012-10-05 02:16:30 PM  

Onkel Buck: Meh, people have been spinning the debate since yesterday too circle the wagons around Barry. So is anyone really surprised at this?

/The only time the truth gets told is when your side is in charge, right?


Come again? What are you blathering on about now?
 
2012-10-05 02:17:33 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: rev. dave: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.

And this is the first thing I think about when they start screaming about conspiracies. None of us were even thinking about conspiracy. So as it is in relationships and voter fraud, the first one to make an issue of it is usually the guilty party projecting their own sins on others.

So in other words, "He who smelt it, dealt it." And there's a lot to smell when you're around Presidebt Fart..........


No please finish. Details, citations etc...
 
2012-10-05 02:17:38 PM  

TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.



So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:15 PM  

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


The way it's measured hasn't changed in over a decade - it is a metric. It measures change.
As far as lots of people dropping out of the job market - well, duh. They are called "Boomers" - and a WHOLE lot of them are "dropping out" of the job market - they are retiring.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:17 PM  

TaskMan: Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.


Lordamercy. Not this tired chestnut. Get some new schtick, FFS.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:21 PM  

publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term?


His first term isn't over.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:41 PM  

publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic


People acting like the president has completely control of the economy are the pathetic ones here. Do you really think Congress (to say nothing of other factors) bears no blame?

the trend line was much better when Dems controlled house. Got way worse when Republicans took control.
 
GBB
2012-10-05 02:19:12 PM  

dchurch0: vpb: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.


I am sure some have been delaying hiring in hope of influencing the election. I mean, if you are running a large corporation you know that announcing a large hire of people would be good news for the incumbent.

I think there will be a sudden slight drop in unemployment right after the election no matter who wins.

I was out at the bar the night of the debates. I was having a drink with the president of the company I work for. I was finishing my drink and telling him I had to go when it was done so I could go home and watch the debate.

He started telling me to go watch the 2016 movie, how Obama is a socialist and a Muslim, that China owns us, and that if he gets re-elected our country will fail before the end of his next term. He then started to go into detail about how Mitt Romney was the best person ever for our great country. He said lots of fun stuff throughout the conversation.

I wound up staying for another drink and talking to him. The conversation got a little heated at times, but that's just how we communicate. I basically shot down all of his talking points. By the end of it, I was sure I was going to get fired when I got to work the next day. But when he got here, he just stopped by and said hello, then thanked me for the passionate debate and gave me credit for pointing out things that he was unaware of. Then he told me that no matter what he had learned, he just knew that Obama was bad for the country, and there was nothing I could ever say or do to change his mind. Then reminded me to go watch the movie he told me about.

So I guess I am happy to still be employed, but I feel really bad for my country. I live in the reddest part of Nebraska, so I guess I should have known what I was getting into.


My fiance's aunt was just down from upstate NY and said similar things. Went on about how Obama is a socialist and whatnot. Then she went on about how Social Security was going to be ruined along with Medicare. I asked if she had any clue about what she was talking about. Apparently not. She only knew what she heard on Fox News et al.

It truely is unbelievable how people work; that they only see one side and do absolutely zero independant research.
 
Ehh
2012-10-05 02:19:22 PM  
Well, Jack, just fire a few million peasants already. And go hunting for Clenis again.

And DIAF.
 
2012-10-05 02:19:38 PM  
Yeah! , what does Jack know about being successful?
 
2012-10-05 02:19:38 PM  

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


Since when is 7.8% good? Reagan has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers!
 
2012-10-05 02:20:14 PM  
You can fix this problem, Jack. Just lay off 114K of GE's workers and move those jobs to China. Hell, you're probably going to do it just after the election anyway. You may get a larger return on the plan by executing now.
 
2012-10-05 02:21:19 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.


You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?
 
2012-10-05 02:21:51 PM  

theorellior: TaskMan: Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.

Lordamercy. Not this tired chestnut. Get some new schtick, FFS.


CITATIONNEEDED.JPG
 
2012-10-05 02:22:08 PM  

theorellior: TaskMan: Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.

Lordamercy. Not this tired chestnut. Get some new schtick, FFS.


And yet, it's surprisingly accurate.
 
2012-10-05 02:22:43 PM  
In other news, the DOW hit its highest point today since 2007.
 
2012-10-05 02:23:06 PM  

Bill Frist: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

People acting like the president has completely control of the economy are the pathetic ones here. Do you really think Congress (to say nothing of other factors) bears no blame?

the trend line was much better when Dems controlled house. Got way worse when Republicans took control.


Not only pretending that the president has complete control of the economy, but also that as soon as Obama was inaugurated the economic landscape becomes a blank slate.
 
2012-10-05 02:23:21 PM  

Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.


he stole my jeans out of the dryer in the laund-o-mat when i went out for a coca-cola and i've been wearing the same stank pair of toughskins ever since. damn him. damn him right to hell!
 
2012-10-05 02:23:42 PM  

publikenemy: Truth hurts?


No, probably not. I'm sure all the people who have found jobs as the economy improved feel much better now.
 
2012-10-05 02:24:51 PM  

Bill Frist: Arkanaut: legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?

It was 7.3% at this point in 1984.

that .5% difference is the difference between Saint Reagan, greatest president of all time! and the second coming of Hitler meets muslim anarchist mooncheese baby!


And that difference is the .5% is due to the difference in reduction in government jobs.

media.economist.com
 
2012-10-05 02:24:55 PM  

BitwiseShift: Begs to be photoshopped like an Iranian UFO.

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 400x240]


Bat Boy's dad?
 
2012-10-05 02:25:17 PM  
As a guy involved in construction who has actually been reporting my company's payroll and employment numbers to an actual human being at the department of labor on a monthly basis for the last 15 years I'd just like to say, 'hey, lets go ask an old retired CEO what he thinks of the employment numbers'. BTW - nice job on the divorces Jack - note to self, do not ask Jack Welch how to write a prenup.

/if anyone cares, we had 57 employees last year at this time, now we have 65. Perhaps we are just moving in a countertrend to Mr Welch's secret numbers. I don't know where he lives, but employment is most certainly up in the pac nw.
 
2012-10-05 02:25:18 PM  

meat0918: We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.


You mean like the entire health care plan which is basically the same plan the Republicans were supporting in the 90s?
 
2012-10-05 02:25:26 PM  
www.welchsinternational.com
 
2012-10-05 02:25:51 PM  

publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic


An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
 
2012-10-05 02:26:31 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: No, probably not. I'm sure all the people who have found jobs as the economy improved feel much better now.


I know a guy who got hired two months ago after a long unemployment. Dude was, and is, freaking delighted. As are his fiancee and son. I'm glad that the 7.8 isn't 9.5, and hope that in two years it's 6.0.
 
2012-10-05 02:27:15 PM  

Bill Frist: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense. Take that as you will.

I don't think you know what the word "flat" means.


[growlersoftware.com image 580x544]


according to BLS?
what about BOC?

does it need more cow bell?!!
 
2012-10-05 02:28:47 PM  
Sigh. When the numbers get worse, it's Obama's fault for not doing enough about it. When the numbers get better, it's Obama's fault for lying about it.

The actual data is available, as the article reminded everyone - it's not like they're publishing results without publishing both data & methodology. Go nuts, prove the figures wrong, but please, shut the fark up until you do so.

This "let's claim a conspiracy exists every time reality doesn't match ideology, without any useful proof to back that conspiracy theory" routine is getting old.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:00 PM  

jso2897: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.


Isn't the metric system part of the List of People, Groups, Publications, Creatures, and Inanimate Objects Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America? I haven't seen an updated version lately.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:31 PM  

TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?


The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.
 
2012-10-05 02:30:35 PM  

FormlessOne: This "let's claim a conspiracy exists every time reality doesn't match ideology, without any useful proof to back that conspiracy theory" routine is getting old.


I'm seeing repeating bears.
 
2012-10-05 02:31:13 PM  
U3, U5, U6, etc. are not measurements - they are metrics. they are intended to measure change. Arguments against the methodology are stupid - all that matters is that the same measurements be taken every time, and the results compared to other results.
 
2012-10-05 02:33:05 PM  

Glenford: jso2897: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

Isn't the metric system part of the List of People, Groups, Publications, Creatures, and Inanimate Objects Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America? I haven't seen an updated version lately.


Oh, right - he probably thinks "metrics" is some socialist European plot to undermine America's system of weights and measures.
 
2012-10-05 02:34:56 PM  

GBB: dchurch0:

It truely is unbelievable how little people are willing to work; that they only see one side and do absolutely zero independant research.

FTFM
 
2012-10-05 02:36:22 PM  
D you know why people are claiming this is a conspiracy? Because during the debate, Romney kept claiming things are worse under Obama than they were under ANY other president in history.

He makes these claims and doesn't even say where he got the numbers, at least in other debates, they would say something like "according to the latest XXX Poll/report you haven't accomplished anything"

Then, we as people who wish to be informed, could go take a look

But seems to me that Romney was pulling a lot of numbers out his ass that night and the toe liners just eat it up as gospel...

Then when the numbers come out soon enough that their attention span hasn't moved them on to the next big distraction, and it's right there in their face that Romney was wrong, that his claims that Obama is failing on all fronts is wrong, then they take to the only conclusion they can... conspiracy, cover up...

This shiat is no different than people believing the gov't was responsible for 9/11 because they couldn't fathom that a small group of dedicated tribesmen could find a chink in the armor of America...

When something so unfathomable happens that shatters a person's perspective on reality and they can't get a grasp on it, then they immediately turn to some dark unseen power, illuminati, masons, the gov't, as a source of some conspiracy because there's NO WAY in the world THEY had a skewed perspective of reality...

Accountability, how does it work? You can't explain that!
 
2012-10-05 02:36:42 PM  

austin_millbarge: meat0918: We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.

You mean like the entire health care plan which is basically the same plan the Republicans were supporting in the 90s?


It is actually Romneycare, carbon copy of Mass plan he put in place. Getting the media to support the lie of naming it Obamacare was masterful and probably VERY expensive.
 
2012-10-05 02:38:01 PM  

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


Account created: 2012-09-28 23:46:02

Just for records sake.
 
2012-10-05 02:38:33 PM  
I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-05 02:38:34 PM  
Ladies and Gentlemen,

The facts are as follows: For the unemployment rate to drop .03%, the economy would have had to expand at a rate of 4.5%. The economy is still limping along at nearly 1.3%. You can say all you want about old Jack; however, the figures don't add up and deserve to be greeted with skepticism.

Now...continue the flame war; but, from this point onwards, I think that only the unthinking should be allowed to participate.

Thank you very much...
 
2012-10-05 02:38:43 PM  

jso2897: Glenford: jso2897: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

Isn't the metric system part of the List of People, Groups, Publications, Creatures, and Inanimate Objects Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America? I haven't seen an updated version lately.

Oh, right - he probably thinks "metrics" is some socialist European plot to undermine America's system of weights and measures.


Settle down, we all have to learn "metrics" bacause the USA is going to that system. sic.

forgive me, but I just love stupid aired
 
2012-10-05 02:39:06 PM  
Thanks to Jack Welch, we will have another factor stimulating the economy: increased demand for tinfoil.
 
2012-10-05 02:39:44 PM  
Sorry, The one chart that shows there's been no jobs market recovery since the end of the Great Recession
i1034.photobucket.com

Link
 
2012-10-05 02:40:03 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Just suprises the fark outta me!
 
2012-10-05 02:40:57 PM  

InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.


How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:12 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Obama Derangement Syndrome is real.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:18 PM  

CeroX: D you know why people are claiming this is a conspiracy? Because during the debate, Romney kept claiming things are worse under Obama than they were under ANY other president in history.

He makes these claims and doesn't even say where he got the numbers, at least in other debates, they would say something like "according to the latest XXX Poll/report you haven't accomplished anything"

Then, we as people who wish to be informed, could go take a look

But seems to me that Romney was pulling a lot of numbers out his ass that night and the toe liners just eat it up as gospel...

Then when the numbers come out soon enough that their attention span hasn't moved them on to the next big distraction, and it's right there in their face that Romney was wrong, that his claims that Obama is failing on all fronts is wrong, then they take to the only conclusion they can... conspiracy, cover up...

This shiat is no different than people believing the gov't was responsible for 9/11 because they couldn't fathom that a small group of dedicated tribesmen could find a chink in the armor of America...

When something so unfathomable happens that shatters a person's perspective on reality and they can't get a grasp on it, then they immediately turn to some dark unseen power, illuminati, masons, the gov't, as a source of some conspiracy because there's NO WAY in the world THEY had a skewed perspective of reality...

Accountability, how does it work? You can't explain that!


Exactly. the moron looks at the U numbers, and says to himself "That can't be right!".
then, he studies the methodology and finds what he thinks are "flaws" in the way the numbers are calculated, and proclaims the information false.
What the idiot fails to take into account is that the methodologies have been unchanged for some time now - and they measure change.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:35 PM  
Remember when Hillary said there was a vast right wing conspiracy against her husband and everyone laughed?

Good times...
 
2012-10-05 02:41:45 PM  
Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?

From Opensecrets.org

Contributor: FRAZIS, HARLEY
BETHESDA,MD 20814

Occupation: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS

Date: 7/9/12

Amount: $2,000

Recipient: Obama, Barack (D)
 
2012-10-05 02:44:12 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


I have a hard time believing that a country that cannot mange to sneak some fake WMDs into a warzone that they completely control to later be conveniently 'found' is ever accused of any conspiracy whatsoever but there it is.

Seriously how many times has the US government looked stupid as hell? Too many times to count, and yet still people think that it is this vast omniscient entity capable of anything.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:14 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?

From Opensecrets.org

Contributor: FRAZIS, HARLEY
BETHESDA,MD 20814

Occupation: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS

Date: 7/9/12

Amount: $2,000

Recipient: Obama, Barack (D)


No.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:33 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


they revised the numbers from the 1st qtr. I'm guessing this is reflected in this new number. it seems someone isn't paying attention.

MikeM: Ladies and Gentlemen,

The facts are as follows: For the unemployment rate to drop .03%, the economy would have had to expand at a rate of 4.5%. The economy is still limping along at nearly 1.3%. You can say all you want about old Jack; however, the figures don't add up and deserve to be greeted with skepticism.

Now...continue the flame war; but, from this point onwards, I think that only the unthinking should be allowed to participate.

Thank you very much...


this means you too.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:45 PM  

TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.


To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.
 
2012-10-05 02:45:15 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?

From Opensecrets.org

Contributor: FRAZIS, HARLEY
BETHESDA,MD 20814

Occupation: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS

Date: 7/9/12

Amount: $2,000

Recipient: Obama, Barack (D)


What sort of thing?
 
2012-10-05 02:45:44 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?


Why, does money suddenly stop being "free speech" when it's not benefiting you losers?
 
2012-10-05 02:46:07 PM  
Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link
 
2012-10-05 02:46:47 PM  
It says a lot about the true character and motivations of Republicans when any good news about the US makes them behave like angry, petulant children while bad news (like, Christopher Stevens' death) makes them gloat with glee.
 
2012-10-05 02:47:20 PM  

MikeM: Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have no idea what the difference between the GDP and employment is.


We know.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:01 PM  
indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com

Bro, have you ever noticed what's going in the dollar bill? Dude, it's some weird stuff man. Also, do you believe the U6 metric, or is that what the 12 foot lizards want you to believe?
 
2012-10-05 02:48:20 PM  
I love how the Allen West comments are just spewing whatever left-wing buzzwords can be found to try and diminish the other side.

If there was a drinking game for that, we'd all be dead.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:26 PM  
So, it's not really 10-15% anymore? That's a great thing!

USA, USA!!!
 
2012-10-05 02:48:30 PM  

bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link


B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:39 PM  

InmanRoshi: [indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

Bro, have you ever noticed what's going in the dollar bill? Dude, it's some weird stuff man. Also, do you believe the U6 metric, or is that what the 12 foot lizards want you to believe?


Wake up, sheeple!
 
2012-10-05 02:48:58 PM  

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?


2000 votes of capitalist free speech? Why do you hate America?
 
2012-10-05 02:49:21 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]

Obama Derangement Syndrome is real.


I do have to acknowledge that you Obama supporters are indeed deranged.
 
2012-10-05 02:49:27 PM  
jso2897: "What sort of thing?"

Citizens participating in the political process, apparently.
 
2012-10-05 02:49:52 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link

B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.


The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 02:50:55 PM  

I_C_Weener: Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.

I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


Not by much.

Welch has received criticism for a lack of compassion for the middle class and working class. By his actions during acquisitions and wholesale shutdowns of GE business units Welch proved that his technique of only keeping the units your company is "good" at you can maximize ROI for the short term. Welch has stated that he is not concerned with the discrepancy between the salaries of top-paid CEOs and those of average workers. When asked about the issue of excessive CEO pay, Welch has said that such allegations are "outrageous" and has vehemently opposed proposed SEC regulations affecting executive compensation. Countering the public uproar over excessive executive pay (including backdating stock options, golden parachutes for nonperformance, and extravagant retirement packages), Welch stated that CEO compensation should continue to be dictated by the free market, without interference from government or other outside agencies.

Welch's income and assets came under scrutiny during his divorce from his second wife Jane in 2001, after she included details in divorce papers of what she said he received as benefits from GE. Welch's contracts with GE were subsequently investigated by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).The retention package, worth $2.5 million, agreed upon by Welch and GE in 1996 promised him continued access after his retirement to benefits he received as CEO including an apartment in New York, baseball tickets and use of a private jet and chauffeured car. These benefits were agreed upon in lieu of a more traditional stock package because, according to Welch, he did not want more money, preferring instead to retain the lifestyle he had enjoyed as CEO once he retired. According to an interview with Welch in 2009 this agreement was filed with the SEC. As a result of the media attention his divorce proceedings brought to his retention package, particularly claims that such a package made him look "greedy", Welch chose to renounce the benefits.
 
2012-10-05 02:51:12 PM  

meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


=================

It's true that powerful people.....i.e., the one percent...want Obama gone, it has little to due with their personal feelings about Obama. The 1% are using the ignorance and racism of a sizable portion of the 99% for their personal gain. A large number of the American electorate have been blinded as to the ulterior motives of the 1% by their own petty bigotry. All they know is that there is a n****r. mooslime, commie in the White House, and they want him gone.......or better yet, dead. They will gladly send the ship into the iceberg to see the captain drown. Of course they are on the same ship, but hey, logical was never the strong suit of this group. This is exactly what the 1% want. When the derp class of Jebus hypocrites, and Honey BooBoo fans gets what it wants, they will have painted themselves into a corner and guess who is going to be standing their with the "solution"?
 
2012-10-05 02:51:58 PM  

MikeM: Ladies and Gentlemen,

The facts are as follows: For the unemployment rate to drop .03%, the economy would have had to expand at a rate of 4.5%. The economy is still limping along at nearly 1.3%. You can say all you want about old Jack; however, the figures don't add up and deserve to be greeted with skepticism.

Now...continue the flame war; but, from this point onwards, I think that only the unthinking should be allowed to participate.

Thank you very much...


1. The GDP is a lagging indicator. People hired today won't show a production increase on their companys' books for about 4 months, and won't show up on the national report until about 7 months from now.

2. In nice round terms, 800K were hired, 350K were fired (or laid off, or quit), and 350K retired.
It's the last number that's so interesting. There have been very few retirees in the past three years. Looks like their savings have climbed high enough that they can afford to retire.

Employment increased by 450K jobs (350K left the workforce and 100K new jobs were created), but GDP only increased by 100K jobs worth: people retiring and being replaced with younger people helps unemployment but doesn't help GDP.

Unemployment will drop a lot in the next year or two simply because so many Baby Boomers will retire. That's assuming that the stock market doesn't wipe out 70% of their savings again.
 
2012-10-05 02:52:00 PM  

InmanRoshi: [indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

Bro, have you ever noticed what's going in the dollar bill? Dude, it's some weird stuff man. Also, do you believe the U6 metric, or is that what the 12 foot lizards want you to believe?


static.dangerousminds.net
 
2012-10-05 02:52:04 PM  

jjorsett: HotWingConspiracy: jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]

Obama Derangement Syndrome is real.

I do have to acknowledge that you Obama supporters are indeed deranged.


Right, the sane people know that the employment numbers are a conspiracy. Because Chicago.
 
2012-10-05 02:52:43 PM  

theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.

You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?


It's spelled Thunderpipes, but it's pronounced, Ignored.
 
2012-10-05 02:53:38 PM  
It probably has far more of a basis in reality, but he'd better be careful... It would apply equally to any administration.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-10-05 02:53:56 PM  

Sm3agol85: TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.

To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.


This seems to be devolving into "No, YOU!"

I'll not call YOU foolish. I will say that your last post doesn't do much to sway my opinion or convince me in any capacity, because it lacks any substance.
 
2012-10-05 02:55:48 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: That's assuming that the stock market doesn't wipe out 70% of their savings again.


Will never happen. That's why we need to privatize Social Security. That way people's retirement funds will be in the safe hands of the nation's stockbrokers and investment bankers, instead of socialest government bonds. It's the best way.
 
2012-10-05 02:56:21 PM  

TaskMan: Sm3agol85: TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.

To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.

This seems to be devolving into "No, YOU!"

I'll not call YOU foolish. I will say that your last post doesn't do much to sway my opinion or convince me in any capacity, because it lacks any substance ...


So....like yours then? Since electricity moves at the speed of light, surely Congress can reverse the course of 7 years of terrible judgement and crippling stupidity in 6 months!!! That isn't exactly a substance filled argument.
 
2012-10-05 02:56:26 PM  

I_C_Weener: Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.


I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


It's the wrong time of the year. The Hyper Bowl doesn't happen until after the end of the NFL playoffs.
 
2012-10-05 02:57:36 PM  

jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link

B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.

The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.



Right, because without tax payer money, The Seseme Street empire, Big Bird et all the muppets would starve.


Romeny is evil. EVIL!
 
2012-10-05 02:57:47 PM  

Evil High Priest: theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.

You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?

It's spelled Thunderpipes, but it's pronounced, Ignored.


He used to actually participate in discussions, but ended up looking so foolish that now he just does drive-bys - creeps in, craps, and creeps out again.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:02 PM  
Jack Welch can sit on greased traffic cone. Screw that guy.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:43 PM  
Jack Welch can sit on a greased traffic cone. Screw that guy.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:48 PM  

Danger Mouse: Sorry, The one chart that shows there's been no jobs market recovery since the end of the Great Recession
[i1034.photobucket.com image 598x432]

Link


I'm no statistician, but it looks like 2 things are happening in that graph that you'd prefer no one notices:
1. the right-most tail of the trend line, the one that tacks upward starting about JAN2010 (interesting coincidence, that), looks to be about parallel to the gray trend line. Again, statistically, this shows that we're adding jobs at the "correct" rate (the rate in line with the 25-year trend).
2. the fact that the upward trend (that part of the "data" line discussed in (1) above) is not quite long enough to really base any sort of projection on. For example, there's an employment glut represented by the data line topping the trend line from early/mid-1995 until late 2002. That's a 7-year trend (7.5 if you want to be more specific). The tail from (1) represents a 2-year trend (less than 10% of the represented time scale).

The data are too incomplete to draw any sort of meaningful conclusion from just the last 2-3 years of the trend line. The gray trend line itself, if it incorporates the 2009 drop-off and doesn't include data from before 1990 (a recession year, by the way), is too incomplete to really compare either a 2- or 7-year data trail against.

That ignores the question "Why start at 1990 and not when BLS started using the U6 methodology they use today?" which another important one a statistician should ask.
 
2012-10-05 02:59:06 PM  

jso2897: Evil High Priest: theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.

You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?

It's spelled Thunderpipes, but it's pronounced, Ignored.

He used to actually participate in discussions, but ended up looking so foolish that now he just does drive-bys - creeps in, craps, and creeps out again.


So....like every hardcore conservative on an open forum site where you can post any political opinion and not get banned?
 
2012-10-05 02:59:25 PM  

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Unless you're a Democrat - then it's the opposite.
 
2012-10-05 02:59:52 PM  

publikenemy: Vegan Meat Popsicle: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?


Truth hurts?


Didn't you just admit to trolling in the other thread because you're on vacation and bored? How sad is your life?
 
2012-10-05 03:01:16 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years? Where'd you get that? It only fell by 0.3% - an increase of 114K jobs. That's encouraging, but it is hardly historic. The number could be cooked, I don't deny that. But it could also be accurate. The BLS issue the monthly jobs report on the first Friday of every month. And over the last four months the trend trend for unemployment has been clearly downward.
 
2012-10-05 03:03:36 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?

Unless you're a Democrat - then it's the opposite.


Ah, you mean like how all of the liberal news media were crowing about Obama destroying Romney in the debates on Wednesday?
 
2012-10-05 03:04:42 PM  

browntimmy: publikenemy: Vegan Meat Popsicle: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?


Truth hurts?

Didn't you just admit to trolling in the other thread because you're on vacation and bored? How sad is your life?


yes he did. That three year old must be dead because his nap should have ended long ago.
 
2012-10-05 03:06:07 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Oh noez, we added teh 114k jobs in a month? This iz teh impossiblezz!!!!1111 Weev never seen anyting like dis!!!111
 
2012-10-05 03:06:51 PM  

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Lesee...

Check..

and...

Check!

Yep, that covers it.
 
2012-10-05 03:07:59 PM  
Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.
 
2012-10-05 03:09:30 PM  

Sm3agol85: TaskMan: Sm3agol85: TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.

To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.

This seems to be devolving into "No, YOU!"

I'll not call YOU foolish. I will say that your last post doesn't do much to sway my opinion or convince me in any capacity, because it lacks any ...


Ah. I get it. You want to pin this squarely on GWB (hence your desire to choose 7 years). Because No legislation was enacted during those years that had any Dem's name attached to them. They were shunned and a parriah, cast out as unclean, right? Only the IRON HAND of GWB forced us into this!!!

/sarcasm off.

Here's what I will offer up to you. I already conceeded that the recession started BEFORE the dem's took office. Yes, during Republican control. Was it hitting hard yet? No. Was it crushing yet? No. And then the election happened and Dems took control of Congress. What measures did they put in place to correct this recession? Remember, this was a full 2 years before they took the White House.

What we saw was bitter partisanship. GWB took blame for things likely enacted in congress and utterly out of his control- but they happened under his watch. He made his share of mistakes, I am not disputing it. I am, however, calling attention to the oft derided notion that somehow congress should get off scott free.

If Congress indeed holds the purse strings, the economy is firmly on their shoulders. The only real question I have for you is this- How long does a party have to be in power before they are responsible for the state the economy is in?
 
2012-10-05 03:11:20 PM  
"Do you know why Jack Welch is the greatest leader since the pharaohs? Because he didn't only involve himself in our work lives, but our personal lives as well. He introduced us to the finest booze, the most restrictive country clubs. He gave us the names of the most discreet private investigators to spy on our ex-wives. He held our hands during our triumphs and our Senate hearings. I want to hold your hand, Lemon."

mimg.ugo.com
 
2012-10-05 03:11:24 PM  

meat0918: Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

[i51.tinypic.com image 400x400] 

We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.


Well played! I like your style, meat.
 
2012-10-05 03:11:35 PM  

Fissile: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

=================

It's true that powerful people.....i.e., the one percent...want Obama gone, it has little to due with their personal feelings about Obama. The 1% are using the ignorance and racism of a sizable portion of the 99% for their personal gain. A large number of the American electorate have been blinded as to the ulterior motives of the 1% by their own petty bigotry. All they know is that there is a n****r. mooslime, commie in the White House, and they want him gone.......or better yet, dead. They will gladly send the ship into the iceberg to see the captain drown. Of course they are on the same ship, but hey, logical was never the strong suit of this group. This is exactly what the 1% want. When the derp class of Jebus hypocrites, and Honey BooBoo fans gets what it wants, they will have painted themselves into a corner and guess who is going to be standing their with the "solution"?


Never assume an honest difference of opinion when you can blame racism, sparky.

Good thing there were no pictures of Obama out before the last election, or we would have never voted for him last time! But now that we know he's black, yeah he's done.

No, the truth is, if Obama loses it isn't cause of "Da Raszistz!" It because people think Obama would be a good president when they don't know him.
 
2012-10-05 03:12:01 PM  
A conservative friend of mine just posted this Link on FB, with the title of "The president must be taking cooking lessons from Enron because these books is being cooked.".

I would just like to thank you all for the myriad of responses that I will be able to post, which will surely entertain me for the rest of the afternoon.
 
2012-10-05 03:13:14 PM  

Sm3agol85: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?

Unless you're a Democrat - then it's the opposite.

Ah, you mean like how all of the liberal news media were crowing about Obama destroying Romney in the debates on Wednesday?


Riddle me this,,,
How would you keep the buzz hot to avoid the complacent "he's got it bagged, doesn't need my vote" attitude of the votes?
They still have to show up..
 
2012-10-05 03:13:46 PM  

jso2897: The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.


Thanks for the input, Reverend Sharpton.
 
2012-10-05 03:14:39 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: PREDICTION: There will be another BLS jobs report on November 2nd, and then again on December 7th. The Right Wing Retard Brigade on Fark is going to have their farking minds blown when that prediction comes true. I'm either a psychic heathen or I'm in on the conspiracy!


You mean just 4 days before the election? Its a conspiracy.
 
2012-10-05 03:14:45 PM  

RevMark: meat0918: Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

[i51.tinypic.com image 400x400] 

We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.

Well played! I like your style, meat.


Less a smack away and more an amputation.
 
2012-10-05 03:21:56 PM  

Danger Mouse: jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link

B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.

The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.


Right, because without tax payer money, The Seseme Street empire, Big Bird et all the muppets would starve.


Romeny is evil. EVIL!


Hey - I'm not saying it's a salient point - I'm just saying it's all the Wad are likely to remember.
Attention span is not the American public's strong suit.
 
2012-10-05 03:25:53 PM  

tommydee: jso2897: The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.

Thanks for the input, Reverend Sharpton.


You're welcome, white boy.
 
2012-10-05 03:26:54 PM  
The ridiculousness of Welch is merely a symptom of the larger falacy: that using one quarter's job report numbers is indicative of much of anything. It is a data point. A data point that means a little more with some friends around it, but really only means anything in a relative context with all other available data points.

One quarter's job numbers doesn't mean the country's economy is either good or bad, getting better or worse, or is reflective of good or bad current or past or proposed federal government policies or the implementation thereof.
 
2012-10-05 03:26:55 PM  
NO YOU!!!
 
2012-10-05 03:27:26 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.


Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.
 
2012-10-05 03:32:53 PM  

MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.


hnnnnng what the fark am I reading
 
2012-10-05 03:33:29 PM  

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years


In January of 2011, unemployment dropped .3% as well. The highest drop since December 2010 (the month before) where it dropped .4%.

It also dropped .3% in May 2010.

So wtf are you talking about?
 
2012-10-05 03:33:41 PM  

Bigbobhooter: Jack Welch is a douche-- but he's got a point about how fungible those unemployment numbers are. As some other posters have noted, they're pretty easily moved a few points either way by how long term unemployed and those no longer seeking jobs are counted.


Whoa, whoa. You mean tenths of a point, right? Moving a few points (when dealing with decimals) means going from 7.8% to 12.8%, not from 7.8% to 8.3%.  I'm sure that's what you meant.

Begin CSB: I also had a deep discussion with my boss, as the poster up-thread did, about the candidates. I flatly stated I found Mr. Romney to be a piece of shiat. These are the things my boss (the company owner) did not know: Tax returns for only 2 years, 47% comment, self-satisfied smirking at the news conference announcing his views on the murder of our personnel in Libya, and about 27 other things INCLUDING being a queen bee in a completely ridiculous religion with special underwear and golden tablets that their high prophet read by looking into a hat with rocks at the bottom. I also asked why Republicans seem so gleeful when bad things happen to the US. I still have my job, too. End CSB.

I'm glad to see these numbers. I'd be glad to see them whether the president was someone I voted for or not. I also have a bit of faith in them, since I've worked with BLS on our company's employment numbers, and since ADP (who also released improving numbers) does our payroll. Claiming the numbers are tainted now is just as crazy as reading golden tablets with your hat. In other words, it's shiat only you can see and believe.
 
2012-10-05 03:34:50 PM  

Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.


Oh yes you can... The executive signs - not writes - the laws (well, he can, but that ain't his gig). The GOP lawmakers derped their pants and blocked everything because the black guy was bad. And one dude vs. how many GODerp?
 
2012-10-05 03:38:51 PM  

Thunderpipes: It has, absolutely. How succesful is Apple for instance? Think they could do that paying workers $35 an hour to make their phones? Think the millions of people who went from manufacturing to high tech jobs miss it? Do you want to work in a sneaker factory?


If they weren't paying senior executives upwards of $2 million per MONTH, building ridiculous monuments to themselves like giant glass cube stores, and a massive mothership-style circular campus, yes, they absolutely could. They have $100 billion in the bank and no debt. They could build every single item in the US. Stock price wouldn't be an absurdly inflated $650 per share, but the company would still be doing great.
 
2012-10-05 03:50:08 PM  

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Class, take out your calculators and perform the following calculation:

7.8 / .3 x 114,000 = 2964000

By the math of this labor report we only need 2,964,000 jobs to reduce the unemployment rate to 0%.

But of course you know that isnt true. You know that this number only represents people who have looked for a job in the last 6 months. It does not count the much larger number of people who have simply given up.

You may also be aware that this was predicted months ago by Rush Limbaugh. Say what you will about him, but he has been saying that we should look to October for a magical sub 8% unemployment rate.

The real math has the unemployment rate at about 11% and when you include people who have a job but need more work or a better job, the number jumps to more like 23%.

Which is about 11 million jobs, which is right about at the amount we would have needed through the course of the Obama Presidency to keep up with new workers entering the labor force.

Vote your pocket book or vote your welfare check, but dont lie to yourself about your candidate.
 
2012-10-05 03:52:32 PM  

Great_Milenko: Thunderpipes: It has, absolutely. How succesful is Apple for instance? Think they could do that paying workers $35 an hour to make their phones? Think the millions of people who went from manufacturing to high tech jobs miss it? Do you want to work in a sneaker factory?

If they weren't paying senior executives upwards of $2 million per MONTH, building ridiculous monuments to themselves like giant glass cube stores, and a massive mothership-style circular campus, yes, they absolutely could. They have $100 billion in the bank and no debt. They could build every single item in the US. Stock price wouldn't be an absurdly inflated $650 per share, but the company would still be doing great.


Imagine what they could save if they spent less on the design and 'image' of the company in the form of the phone? I mean they could manufacture it to fit leftover droid cases right? make it out of cheap plastic and cheap camera bits? Man, they could afford to hire more people and make the phone in the US if they could get the per unit cost down to like $6.

You are really on to something there. Run with it.
 
2012-10-05 03:52:42 PM  

jso2897: Boomer


They're turning 65 at a rate of about 10,000 a day, and have been doing so since January of last year.
 
2012-10-05 03:56:49 PM  

Fark it, people can make up statistics all damn day. I've got a stat that says more political BS happens during campaign years than non campaign years. Whether you are a jackass or a elephant lover nothing changes till super-pacs and lobbying is purged from the political landscape. 

s14.postimage.org
 
Xai
2012-10-05 03:57:02 PM  

Danger Mouse: Sorry, The one chart that shows there's been no jobs market recovery since the end of the Great Recession
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Link


that's because that is absolute numbers and not a percentage graph. Absolute numbers don't take into account migration and population growth. That is why unemployment figures are given in percentages.
 
2012-10-05 04:00:34 PM  

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


So you would prefer us to still be over 11% ?
 
2012-10-05 04:02:16 PM  

jso2897: legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?

The way it's measured hasn't changed in over a decade - it is a metric. It measures change.
As far as lots of people dropping out of the job market - well, duh. They are called "Boomers" - and a WHOLE lot of them are "dropping out" of the job market - they are retiring.


Serious post?
 
2012-10-05 04:05:05 PM  

archichris: The real math has the unemployment rate at about 11% and when you include people who have a job but need more work or a better job, the number jumps to more like 23%.


What was the unemployment rate in January 1999?
 
2012-10-05 04:05:42 PM  

Great_Milenko: yes, they absolutely could.


BTW Apple has admitted that building their stuff in the US wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.
 
2012-10-05 04:11:38 PM  
Whatever happened to the times when someone was congratulated for doing a good job?
 
2012-10-05 04:11:40 PM  
but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net

Nope.
 
2012-10-05 04:11:46 PM  

MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.


I don't even know WTF you are trying to say.
 
2012-10-05 04:14:30 PM  
Since manipulating those numbers for political reasons would require federal employees to be in violation of the Hatch act, just how long before he gets sued for libel? Talk about nice deep pockets!
 
2012-10-05 04:14:48 PM  

vegasj: but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x600]

Nope.


If you're going to be a lying sack of shat, why don't you just say unemployment is 100%.
 
2012-10-05 04:15:34 PM  

archichris: ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?

Class, take out your calculators and perform the following calculation:

7.8 / .3 x 114,000 = 2964000

By the math of this labor report we only need 2,964,000 jobs to reduce the unemployment rate to 0%.

But of course you know that isnt true. You know that this number only represents people who have looked for a job in the last 6 months. It does not count the much larger number of people who have simply given up.

You may also be aware that this was predicted months ago by Rush Limbaugh. Say what you will about him, but he has been saying that we should look to October for a magical sub 8% unemployment rate.

The real math has the unemployment rate at about 11% and when you include people who have a job but need more work or a better job, the number jumps to more like 23%.

Which is about 11 million jobs, which is right about at the amount we would have needed through the course of the Obama Presidency to keep up with new workers entering the labor force.

Vote your pocket book or vote your welfare check, but dont lie to yourself about your candidate.


The 114,000 number comes from a survey of businesses, and the 7.8% comes from a survey of households. They don't move hand-in-hand, and there are often discrepancies. The biggest source of discrepancy, of course, comes from self-employed individuals and people working on an ad hoc basis (babysitters, cleaning ladies, delivery people, etc). Farm workers are also not counted in the survey of businesses, but they still comprise something like 1% of the workforce. The establishment survey (survey of businesses) also are often adjusted after the due date because of surveys that are returned late -- for example the August data was adjusted upwards by 46,000, and the July data by 40,000 in the most recent release. Lastly, there's the fundamental problem with any survey -- that the people that you surveyed are slightly out of sync with the population (or the business world) as a whole. That last bit of statistical error would hit the household survey and the establishment survey in different ways because of pure randomness.
 
2012-10-05 04:16:23 PM  
"He had some friends in Congress too. Rep. Allen West (R-FL) tweeted "I agree with former GE CEO Jack Welch, Chicago style politics is at work here."

And who invented 'Chicago style' politics? It wasn't Papa Murphy. It was the Republicans!

In way of contrast, Canada's job numbers were up considerably for September as well. Seeing as our economies are fairly close, it would substantiate the US job numbers data... Unless Harper has become a Democrat (HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA).
 
2012-10-05 04:17:02 PM  

vegasj: but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x600]

Nope.


Actually, they do. Don't worry, there's always a bunch of people who make that mistake every month in these threads, so don't feel too bad about it.
 
2012-10-05 04:17:08 PM  

I_C_Weener: Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.

I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


My guess is that you've never encountered the GE model, or had any interaction with GE as a partner. It may be hyperbole, but it's so damn close to the truth, it's a coonthair off from being an absolute fact.
 
2012-10-05 04:18:52 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Great_Milenko: yes, they absolutely could.

BTW Apple has admitted that building their stuff in the US wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.



You could increase the labor unit cost by a factor of 10, and the iPhone would still be profitable. IIRC, the main benefit of making them where they are is the supply chain system.
 
2012-10-05 04:20:24 PM  

ringersol: Hey, at least makes some sense as a goal.
As opposed to the last derping point about Obama keeping gas prices higher because... who the fark knows why?
(somehow high gas prices were thought to be *good* for his re-election chances? or something?)


I don't think you can get a clearer example of how patently insane our country and its discourse have become, than tracking the inane 'criticisms' of Obama that have been and continue to be created. It's like all the fringe lunatic shiat said by random internet accounts about GWB -- but when it's pointed at Obama, it's coming from Congressmen, Senators, State politicians, party officials, prominent talking heads and radio hosts, former administration officials... It's absolutely mind-bottling.


I lol-d.
 
2012-10-05 04:20:30 PM  

EyeballKid: It would be the first time that walking turd actually created something worthwhile.


I was going to disagree, but then I remembered Mister Hankey hops.
 
2012-10-05 04:26:23 PM  

archichris: Vote your pocket book or vote your welfare check, but dont lie to yourself about your candidate.


Right, so vote for the guy who spent his career destroying American jobs and was governor of the state that was 47th in employment. That sounds awe...what the fark am even doing, I'm talking to someone who just quoted Rush Limbaugh.
 
2012-10-05 04:28:48 PM  
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2012-10-05 04:35:47 PM  
Neither Dems nor Reps want to create jobs, However they both wish to create perpetual economic debt slaves. I will never vote for either Gang ever again, I don't even care if their canidate is Zombie Jesus II or Reincarnated JFK or MLK.
 
2012-10-05 04:36:27 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

I don't even know WTF you are trying to say.


Your post was silly gibberish with no basis in fact. That's what he was trying to say.
 
2012-10-05 04:37:28 PM  
Jack Welch is quite a guy, an a credit to his race. But, no matter what the time or opportunity he can always wrap his dick all the way around his finger.
 
2012-10-05 04:42:03 PM  

vegasj: but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

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Nope.


http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

Persons not in the labor force (not seasonally adjusted)
Marginally attached to the labor force.. . . . . . . . . 2,511 2,529 2,561 2,517 -
Discouraged workers.. . . . ................................. . 1,037 852 844 802 -

That's from the bottom of page 4. The numbers are Sept 2011, July 2012, Aug 2012, and Sept 2012.

The number marginally attached changed an insignificant number, but "discouraged workers", people who have given up looking for work, has gone WAY down in the last year, about 20%. The unemployment rate dropped in spite of over 40,000 people who have found or are looking for work when they weren't looking a month ago.

If you are talking about actually receiving unemployment, that has NOTHING to do with this. They don't use that at all. It's completely irrelevant to these numbers. They survey thousands of businesses and thousands of people. That's it.
 
2012-10-05 04:49:06 PM  

vegasj: but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

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Nope.


they didn't count them under Bush either
 
2012-10-05 04:50:51 PM  
so do we add the Bureau of Labor Statistics to the list of things opposing the GOP?
 
2012-10-05 04:54:37 PM  
Jack

STFU & get back to making my juice.
 
2012-10-05 04:56:52 PM  

medieval: MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

hnnnnng what the fark am I reading


Romney/Ray 2012!
img717.imageshack.us
 
2012-10-05 04:58:43 PM  
So... it has come to this.
 
2012-10-05 05:13:31 PM  

vegasj: but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 600x600]

Nope.


Google "U6", and then find when the last update to that metric was. Post it here, then apologize for either "posting while un(der)informed", or "being a disingenuous cock".

// because intellectual honesty should mean something, dammit
// unless I meant "U3", in which case, Google that one instead
 
kab
2012-10-05 05:23:24 PM  
Funny, you didn't seem to give a fark about adding to the unemployment pool when you were at the helm, did you?

Choke yourself.
 
2012-10-05 05:50:45 PM  

meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


Well, if the RNC made the simulation, it would say that the US would be a soviet-style communist dicatorship vassal-state of China, under Sharia Law, with Obama as President-for-life, Christianity outlawed, private gun ownership outlawed and Death PanelsTM deciding when to euthanize senior citizens because their healthcare costs became uneconomical.

That's what they seem to be saying will happen if he ever gets what he wants. That's been the right-wing talking points since Day One of what America will be like under Obama. . .and if he gets a second term that's when he'll really put it into effect because he won't have to worry about being re-elected.
 
2012-10-05 06:12:07 PM  

Lochsteppe: Civil_War2_Time: MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

I don't even know WTF you are trying to say.

Your post was silly gibberish with no basis in fact. That's what he was trying to say.


Exactly - I thought we were trading time cube quotes, did I get that wrong?
 
2012-10-05 06:15:25 PM  

Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.


Ah! So your fellah will massively hike government spending, like a good socialist.

Nice to know.
 
2012-10-05 06:17:40 PM  

kc278:
Romney/Ray 2012!


12 corners
 
2012-10-05 06:46:50 PM  

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Exactly.
 
2012-10-05 06:50:43 PM  
To believe in a conspiracy theory you have to be sufficiently negative on someone to think they would actually do such a thing.

Which pretty much means you're not voting for them anyway.

Which pretty much means your conspiracy theory isn't going to change anyone's minds.
 
2012-10-05 07:08:00 PM  

Silverstaff: That's been the right-wing talking points since Day One of what America will be like under Obama. . .and if he gets a second term that's when he'll really put it into effect because he won't have to worry about being re-elected.


That viewpoint has always amused me. If Obama gets elected to a second term, suddenly he'll have unlimited power and the Republicans who have stood directly in the way of anything and everything Obama tried to do in his first term are suddenly going to roll over and be utterly powerless to stop him from becoming a dictator for life.
 
2012-10-05 07:22:55 PM  
How Jack he knows the numbers are wrong

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-05 07:25:39 PM  

MacWizard: Silverstaff: That's been the right-wing talking points since Day One of what America will be like under Obama. . .and if he gets a second term that's when he'll really put it into effect because he won't have to worry about being re-elected.

That viewpoint has always amused me. If Obama gets elected to a second term, suddenly he'll have unlimited power and the Republicans who have stood directly in the way of anything and everything Obama tried to do in his first term are suddenly going to roll over and be utterly powerless to stop him from becoming a dictator for life.


Laugh if you will, but I know people who believe this.
 
2012-10-05 07:53:26 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: impaler: Is Gallup in on it too?

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Typical liberal polling by Gallup there. Rasmussen polled 5,000 children and senior citizens and found a whopping 99% unemployment rate. There is simply no excuse for 99% unemployment, no matter how much Presidebt Barack wants to try to make one up. This is due to Barry Hussein Marshall Davis's failed leadership and policies.


That's a new one. And a good one. And one I will shamelessly steal in the future :-)
 
2012-10-05 08:35:12 PM  

Arkanaut: archichris: ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?

Class, take out your calculators and perform the following calculation:

7.8 / .3 x 114,000 = 2964000

By the math of this labor report we only need 2,964,000 jobs to reduce the unemployment rate to 0%.

But of course you know that isnt true. You know that this number only represents people who have looked for a job in the last 6 months. It does not count the much larger number of people who have simply given up.

You may also be aware that this was predicted months ago by Rush Limbaugh. Say what you will about him, but he has been saying that we should look to October for a magical sub 8% unemployment rate.

The real math has the unemployment rate at about 11% and when you include people who have a job but need more work or a better job, the number jumps to more like 23%.

Which is about 11 million jobs, which is right about at the amount we would have needed through the course of the Obama Presidency to keep up with new workers entering the labor force.

Vote your pocket book or vote your welfare check, but dont lie to yourself about your candidate.

The 114,000 number comes from a survey of businesses, and the 7.8% comes from a survey of households. They don't move hand-in-hand, and there are often discrepancies. The biggest source of discrepancy, of course, comes from self-employed individuals and people working on an ad hoc basis (babysitters, cleaning ladies, delivery people, etc). Farm workers are also not counted in the survey of businesses, but they still comprise something like 1% of the workforce. The establishment survey (survey of businesses) also are often adjusted after the due date because of surveys that are returned late -- for example the August data was adjusted upwards ...


Margin of error in the household survey was 400,000 jobs +/- SO about 50%. A 50% margin of error. But its all irrelevant as long as they insist on using the U6 number. There are far more people sitting out the economy waiting for brighter skys ahead than the U6 can account for.
 
2012-10-05 09:07:42 PM  

archichris: Margin of error in the household survey was 400,000 jobs +/- SO about 50%. A 50% margin of error.


There are only 800,000 jobs in our economy?
 
2012-10-05 09:46:57 PM  

meat0918: Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.



Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

 

We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.


This pissed me off more than anything! We are in an economic crisis. We need a government willing to make compromises. Obama reached out multiple times to the Republicans for compromise and they didn't budge! They would have rather the economy crapped out than compromise to improve to country.
 
2012-10-05 11:31:36 PM  

lennavan: I would just like to take this moment to remind people GE has made $80 Billion in the last decade, paying a 2.3% tax rate on that profit.


"And also, its CEO is an idiot."
 
2012-10-06 01:17:10 AM  

JackieRabbit: jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

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Best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years? Where'd you get that? It only fell by 0.3% - an increase of 114K jobs. That's encouraging, but it is hardly historic. The number could be cooked, I don't deny that. But it could also be accurate. The BLS issue the monthly jobs report on the first Friday of every month. And over the last four months the trend trend for unemployment has been clearly downward.


A delta of 0.4% in one month is what I'm talking about. The underlying numbers belie it, but nobody but us geeks pay attention to that stuff; all the public will see is that one number, 7.8%. What makes me most suspicious is that there are two sets of data that go into these figures, and the 114K comes from hard data (or at least semi-firm, since those numbers keep getting revised over subsequent months). The 7.8% comes from a household survey, i.e. a poll, and polls have a way of being, shall we say, "flexible". What we see in later months will reveal whether there were any shenanigans going on here. I'd guess it's a better than even bet there were.
 
2012-10-06 05:32:33 AM  
knightin.typepad.com

Yes, the real unemployment rate (unemployed+underemployed) is around %14 right now. To add insult to injury, we lost a whole lot of high and middle income jobs during the recession, but the jobs that have replaced them are almost all low wage jobs... We need to create jobs at twice the rate we are, and a significant portion of them need to be well paying...

/voting for Romney
//duh
 
2012-10-06 06:03:29 AM  

jjorsett: A delta of 0.4% in one month is what I'm talking about. The underlying numbers belie it, but nobody but us geeks pay attention to that stuff; all the public will see is that one number, 7.8%. What makes me most suspicious is that there are two sets of data that go into these figures, and the 114K comes from hard data (or at least semi-firm, since those numbers keep getting revised over subsequent months). The 7.8% comes from a household survey, i.e. a poll, and polls have a way of being, shall we say, "flexible". What we see in later months will reveal whether there were any shenanigans going on here. I'd guess it's a better than even bet there were.


You geeks? You mean frothy wingnuts that see a conspiracy in everything.
 
2012-10-06 12:20:38 PM  

Maul555: [knightin.typepad.com image 800x474]

Yes, the real unemployment rate (unemployed+underemployed) is around %14 right now. To add insult to injury, we lost a whole lot of high and middle income jobs during the recession, but the jobs that have replaced them are almost all low wage jobs... We need to create jobs at twice the rate we are, and a significant portion of them need to be well paying...

/voting for Romney
//duh


Need>Resources.
Fix that with a vote, fool.
 
2012-10-06 02:27:15 PM  

snocone: Maul555: [knightin.typepad.com image 800x474]

Yes, the real unemployment rate (unemployed+underemployed) is around %14 right now. To add insult to injury, we lost a whole lot of high and middle income jobs during the recession, but the jobs that have replaced them are almost all low wage jobs... We need to create jobs at twice the rate we are, and a significant portion of them need to be well paying...

/voting for Romney
//duh

Need>Resources.
Fix that with a vote, fool.


You are wrong. We have the resources... also you are going onto my ignore list, fool..
 
2012-10-06 04:35:03 PM  

Maul555: snocone: Maul555: [knightin.typepad.com image 800x474]

Yes, the real unemployment rate (unemployed+underemployed) is around %14 right now. To add insult to injury, we lost a whole lot of high and middle income jobs during the recession, but the jobs that have replaced them are almost all low wage jobs... We need to create jobs at twice the rate we are, and a significant portion of them need to be well paying...

/voting for Romney
//duh

Need>Resources.
Fix that with a vote, fool.

You are wrong. We have the resources... also you are going onto my ignore list, fool..


more bullchit
you know you love me
you can't stay away
 
2012-10-07 06:06:14 PM  

Maul555: Yes, the real unemployment rate (unemployed+underemployed) is around %14 right now. To add insult to injury, we lost a whole lot of high and middle income jobs during the recession, but the jobs that have replaced them are almost all low wage jobs... We need to create jobs at twice the rate we are, and a significant portion of them need to be well paying...

/voting for Romney
//duh


Why is this recovery not acting like all the other post-war recoveries? Because government spending has declined:

From that noted bastion of socialism: the Wall Street Journal

The other main difference? Too many people in Congress who forgot their No. 1 responsibility was to the American public. So instead of making the economic recovery their main priority, you have people like GOP Senate leader Mitch McConnell who said his #1 priority was making sure Obama was a one-term president. Isn't that pretty close to treason? Actively working against your country's best interests? 

/And "duh" is exactly what your comment deserved.
 
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