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(Talking Points Memo)   Moments after the unemployment numbers were released, Jack Welch insisted the Bureau of Labor Statistics was part of a vast conspiracy and they are helping President Obama change numbers. Jack Welch has created a Job Truthers movement   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 293
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2012-10-05 02:53:38 PM
It probably has far more of a basis in reality, but he'd better be careful... It would apply equally to any administration.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-10-05 02:53:56 PM

Sm3agol85: TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.

To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.


This seems to be devolving into "No, YOU!"

I'll not call YOU foolish. I will say that your last post doesn't do much to sway my opinion or convince me in any capacity, because it lacks any substance.
 
2012-10-05 02:55:48 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: That's assuming that the stock market doesn't wipe out 70% of their savings again.


Will never happen. That's why we need to privatize Social Security. That way people's retirement funds will be in the safe hands of the nation's stockbrokers and investment bankers, instead of socialest government bonds. It's the best way.
 
2012-10-05 02:56:21 PM

TaskMan: Sm3agol85: TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.

To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.

This seems to be devolving into "No, YOU!"

I'll not call YOU foolish. I will say that your last post doesn't do much to sway my opinion or convince me in any capacity, because it lacks any substance ...


So....like yours then? Since electricity moves at the speed of light, surely Congress can reverse the course of 7 years of terrible judgement and crippling stupidity in 6 months!!! That isn't exactly a substance filled argument.
 
2012-10-05 02:56:26 PM

I_C_Weener: Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.


I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


It's the wrong time of the year. The Hyper Bowl doesn't happen until after the end of the NFL playoffs.
 
2012-10-05 02:57:36 PM

jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link

B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.

The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.



Right, because without tax payer money, The Seseme Street empire, Big Bird et all the muppets would starve.


Romeny is evil. EVIL!
 
2012-10-05 02:57:47 PM

Evil High Priest: theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.

You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?

It's spelled Thunderpipes, but it's pronounced, Ignored.


He used to actually participate in discussions, but ended up looking so foolish that now he just does drive-bys - creeps in, craps, and creeps out again.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:02 PM
Jack Welch can sit on greased traffic cone. Screw that guy.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:43 PM
Jack Welch can sit on a greased traffic cone. Screw that guy.
 
2012-10-05 02:58:48 PM

Danger Mouse: Sorry, The one chart that shows there's been no jobs market recovery since the end of the Great Recession
[i1034.photobucket.com image 598x432]

Link


I'm no statistician, but it looks like 2 things are happening in that graph that you'd prefer no one notices:
1. the right-most tail of the trend line, the one that tacks upward starting about JAN2010 (interesting coincidence, that), looks to be about parallel to the gray trend line. Again, statistically, this shows that we're adding jobs at the "correct" rate (the rate in line with the 25-year trend).
2. the fact that the upward trend (that part of the "data" line discussed in (1) above) is not quite long enough to really base any sort of projection on. For example, there's an employment glut represented by the data line topping the trend line from early/mid-1995 until late 2002. That's a 7-year trend (7.5 if you want to be more specific). The tail from (1) represents a 2-year trend (less than 10% of the represented time scale).

The data are too incomplete to draw any sort of meaningful conclusion from just the last 2-3 years of the trend line. The gray trend line itself, if it incorporates the 2009 drop-off and doesn't include data from before 1990 (a recession year, by the way), is too incomplete to really compare either a 2- or 7-year data trail against.

That ignores the question "Why start at 1990 and not when BLS started using the U6 methodology they use today?" which another important one a statistician should ask.
 
2012-10-05 02:59:06 PM

jso2897: Evil High Priest: theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.

You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?

It's spelled Thunderpipes, but it's pronounced, Ignored.

He used to actually participate in discussions, but ended up looking so foolish that now he just does drive-bys - creeps in, craps, and creeps out again.


So....like every hardcore conservative on an open forum site where you can post any political opinion and not get banned?
 
2012-10-05 02:59:25 PM

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Unless you're a Democrat - then it's the opposite.
 
2012-10-05 02:59:52 PM

publikenemy: Vegan Meat Popsicle: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?


Truth hurts?


Didn't you just admit to trolling in the other thread because you're on vacation and bored? How sad is your life?
 
2012-10-05 03:01:16 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years? Where'd you get that? It only fell by 0.3% - an increase of 114K jobs. That's encouraging, but it is hardly historic. The number could be cooked, I don't deny that. But it could also be accurate. The BLS issue the monthly jobs report on the first Friday of every month. And over the last four months the trend trend for unemployment has been clearly downward.
 
2012-10-05 03:03:36 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?

Unless you're a Democrat - then it's the opposite.


Ah, you mean like how all of the liberal news media were crowing about Obama destroying Romney in the debates on Wednesday?
 
2012-10-05 03:04:42 PM

browntimmy: publikenemy: Vegan Meat Popsicle: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?


Truth hurts?

Didn't you just admit to trolling in the other thread because you're on vacation and bored? How sad is your life?


yes he did. That three year old must be dead because his nap should have ended long ago.
 
2012-10-05 03:06:07 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Oh noez, we added teh 114k jobs in a month? This iz teh impossiblezz!!!!1111 Weev never seen anyting like dis!!!111
 
2012-10-05 03:06:51 PM

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Lesee...

Check..

and...

Check!

Yep, that covers it.
 
2012-10-05 03:07:59 PM
Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.
 
2012-10-05 03:09:30 PM

Sm3agol85: TaskMan: Sm3agol85: TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.

To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.

This seems to be devolving into "No, YOU!"

I'll not call YOU foolish. I will say that your last post doesn't do much to sway my opinion or convince me in any capacity, because it lacks any ...


Ah. I get it. You want to pin this squarely on GWB (hence your desire to choose 7 years). Because No legislation was enacted during those years that had any Dem's name attached to them. They were shunned and a parriah, cast out as unclean, right? Only the IRON HAND of GWB forced us into this!!!

/sarcasm off.

Here's what I will offer up to you. I already conceeded that the recession started BEFORE the dem's took office. Yes, during Republican control. Was it hitting hard yet? No. Was it crushing yet? No. And then the election happened and Dems took control of Congress. What measures did they put in place to correct this recession? Remember, this was a full 2 years before they took the White House.

What we saw was bitter partisanship. GWB took blame for things likely enacted in congress and utterly out of his control- but they happened under his watch. He made his share of mistakes, I am not disputing it. I am, however, calling attention to the oft derided notion that somehow congress should get off scott free.

If Congress indeed holds the purse strings, the economy is firmly on their shoulders. The only real question I have for you is this- How long does a party have to be in power before they are responsible for the state the economy is in?
 
2012-10-05 03:11:20 PM
"Do you know why Jack Welch is the greatest leader since the pharaohs? Because he didn't only involve himself in our work lives, but our personal lives as well. He introduced us to the finest booze, the most restrictive country clubs. He gave us the names of the most discreet private investigators to spy on our ex-wives. He held our hands during our triumphs and our Senate hearings. I want to hold your hand, Lemon."

mimg.ugo.com
 
2012-10-05 03:11:24 PM

meat0918: Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

[i51.tinypic.com image 400x400] 

We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.


Well played! I like your style, meat.
 
2012-10-05 03:11:35 PM

Fissile: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

=================

It's true that powerful people.....i.e., the one percent...want Obama gone, it has little to due with their personal feelings about Obama. The 1% are using the ignorance and racism of a sizable portion of the 99% for their personal gain. A large number of the American electorate have been blinded as to the ulterior motives of the 1% by their own petty bigotry. All they know is that there is a n****r. mooslime, commie in the White House, and they want him gone.......or better yet, dead. They will gladly send the ship into the iceberg to see the captain drown. Of course they are on the same ship, but hey, logical was never the strong suit of this group. This is exactly what the 1% want. When the derp class of Jebus hypocrites, and Honey BooBoo fans gets what it wants, they will have painted themselves into a corner and guess who is going to be standing their with the "solution"?


Never assume an honest difference of opinion when you can blame racism, sparky.

Good thing there were no pictures of Obama out before the last election, or we would have never voted for him last time! But now that we know he's black, yeah he's done.

No, the truth is, if Obama loses it isn't cause of "Da Raszistz!" It because people think Obama would be a good president when they don't know him.
 
2012-10-05 03:12:01 PM
A conservative friend of mine just posted this Link on FB, with the title of "The president must be taking cooking lessons from Enron because these books is being cooked.".

I would just like to thank you all for the myriad of responses that I will be able to post, which will surely entertain me for the rest of the afternoon.
 
2012-10-05 03:13:14 PM

Sm3agol85: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?

Unless you're a Democrat - then it's the opposite.

Ah, you mean like how all of the liberal news media were crowing about Obama destroying Romney in the debates on Wednesday?


Riddle me this,,,
How would you keep the buzz hot to avoid the complacent "he's got it bagged, doesn't need my vote" attitude of the votes?
They still have to show up..
 
2012-10-05 03:13:46 PM

jso2897: The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.


Thanks for the input, Reverend Sharpton.
 
2012-10-05 03:14:39 PM

shower_in_my_socks: PREDICTION: There will be another BLS jobs report on November 2nd, and then again on December 7th. The Right Wing Retard Brigade on Fark is going to have their farking minds blown when that prediction comes true. I'm either a psychic heathen or I'm in on the conspiracy!


You mean just 4 days before the election? Its a conspiracy.
 
2012-10-05 03:14:45 PM

RevMark: meat0918: Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]

Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

[i51.tinypic.com image 400x400] 

We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.

Well played! I like your style, meat.


Less a smack away and more an amputation.
 
2012-10-05 03:21:56 PM

Danger Mouse: jso2897: HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link

B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.

The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.


Right, because without tax payer money, The Seseme Street empire, Big Bird et all the muppets would starve.


Romeny is evil. EVIL!


Hey - I'm not saying it's a salient point - I'm just saying it's all the Wad are likely to remember.
Attention span is not the American public's strong suit.
 
2012-10-05 03:25:53 PM

tommydee: jso2897: The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.

Thanks for the input, Reverend Sharpton.


You're welcome, white boy.
 
2012-10-05 03:26:54 PM
The ridiculousness of Welch is merely a symptom of the larger falacy: that using one quarter's job report numbers is indicative of much of anything. It is a data point. A data point that means a little more with some friends around it, but really only means anything in a relative context with all other available data points.

One quarter's job numbers doesn't mean the country's economy is either good or bad, getting better or worse, or is reflective of good or bad current or past or proposed federal government policies or the implementation thereof.
 
2012-10-05 03:26:55 PM
NO YOU!!!
 
2012-10-05 03:27:26 PM

Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.


Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.
 
2012-10-05 03:32:53 PM

MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.


hnnnnng what the fark am I reading
 
2012-10-05 03:33:29 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years


In January of 2011, unemployment dropped .3% as well. The highest drop since December 2010 (the month before) where it dropped .4%.

It also dropped .3% in May 2010.

So wtf are you talking about?
 
2012-10-05 03:33:41 PM

Bigbobhooter: Jack Welch is a douche-- but he's got a point about how fungible those unemployment numbers are. As some other posters have noted, they're pretty easily moved a few points either way by how long term unemployed and those no longer seeking jobs are counted.


Whoa, whoa. You mean tenths of a point, right? Moving a few points (when dealing with decimals) means going from 7.8% to 12.8%, not from 7.8% to 8.3%.  I'm sure that's what you meant.

Begin CSB: I also had a deep discussion with my boss, as the poster up-thread did, about the candidates. I flatly stated I found Mr. Romney to be a piece of shiat. These are the things my boss (the company owner) did not know: Tax returns for only 2 years, 47% comment, self-satisfied smirking at the news conference announcing his views on the murder of our personnel in Libya, and about 27 other things INCLUDING being a queen bee in a completely ridiculous religion with special underwear and golden tablets that their high prophet read by looking into a hat with rocks at the bottom. I also asked why Republicans seem so gleeful when bad things happen to the US. I still have my job, too. End CSB.

I'm glad to see these numbers. I'd be glad to see them whether the president was someone I voted for or not. I also have a bit of faith in them, since I've worked with BLS on our company's employment numbers, and since ADP (who also released improving numbers) does our payroll. Claiming the numbers are tainted now is just as crazy as reading golden tablets with your hat. In other words, it's shiat only you can see and believe.
 
2012-10-05 03:34:50 PM

Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.


Oh yes you can... The executive signs - not writes - the laws (well, he can, but that ain't his gig). The GOP lawmakers derped their pants and blocked everything because the black guy was bad. And one dude vs. how many GODerp?
 
2012-10-05 03:38:51 PM

Thunderpipes: It has, absolutely. How succesful is Apple for instance? Think they could do that paying workers $35 an hour to make their phones? Think the millions of people who went from manufacturing to high tech jobs miss it? Do you want to work in a sneaker factory?


If they weren't paying senior executives upwards of $2 million per MONTH, building ridiculous monuments to themselves like giant glass cube stores, and a massive mothership-style circular campus, yes, they absolutely could. They have $100 billion in the bank and no debt. They could build every single item in the US. Stock price wouldn't be an absurdly inflated $650 per share, but the company would still be doing great.
 
2012-10-05 03:50:08 PM

ManateeGag: So:
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Romney = Grand conspiracy or falsehood to get Obama reelected.
Anything that looks even remotely bad for Obama = God's honest truth and should be trusted with every fiber of your being.

does that cover it?


Class, take out your calculators and perform the following calculation:

7.8 / .3 x 114,000 = 2964000

By the math of this labor report we only need 2,964,000 jobs to reduce the unemployment rate to 0%.

But of course you know that isnt true. You know that this number only represents people who have looked for a job in the last 6 months. It does not count the much larger number of people who have simply given up.

You may also be aware that this was predicted months ago by Rush Limbaugh. Say what you will about him, but he has been saying that we should look to October for a magical sub 8% unemployment rate.

The real math has the unemployment rate at about 11% and when you include people who have a job but need more work or a better job, the number jumps to more like 23%.

Which is about 11 million jobs, which is right about at the amount we would have needed through the course of the Obama Presidency to keep up with new workers entering the labor force.

Vote your pocket book or vote your welfare check, but dont lie to yourself about your candidate.
 
2012-10-05 03:52:32 PM

Great_Milenko: Thunderpipes: It has, absolutely. How succesful is Apple for instance? Think they could do that paying workers $35 an hour to make their phones? Think the millions of people who went from manufacturing to high tech jobs miss it? Do you want to work in a sneaker factory?

If they weren't paying senior executives upwards of $2 million per MONTH, building ridiculous monuments to themselves like giant glass cube stores, and a massive mothership-style circular campus, yes, they absolutely could. They have $100 billion in the bank and no debt. They could build every single item in the US. Stock price wouldn't be an absurdly inflated $650 per share, but the company would still be doing great.


Imagine what they could save if they spent less on the design and 'image' of the company in the form of the phone? I mean they could manufacture it to fit leftover droid cases right? make it out of cheap plastic and cheap camera bits? Man, they could afford to hire more people and make the phone in the US if they could get the per unit cost down to like $6.

You are really on to something there. Run with it.
 
2012-10-05 03:52:42 PM

jso2897: Boomer


They're turning 65 at a rate of about 10,000 a day, and have been doing so since January of last year.
 
2012-10-05 03:56:49 PM

Fark it, people can make up statistics all damn day. I've got a stat that says more political BS happens during campaign years than non campaign years. Whether you are a jackass or a elephant lover nothing changes till super-pacs and lobbying is purged from the political landscape. 

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Xai
2012-10-05 03:57:02 PM

Danger Mouse: Sorry, The one chart that shows there's been no jobs market recovery since the end of the Great Recession
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that's because that is absolute numbers and not a percentage graph. Absolute numbers don't take into account migration and population growth. That is why unemployment figures are given in percentages.
 
2012-10-05 04:00:34 PM

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


So you would prefer us to still be over 11% ?
 
2012-10-05 04:02:16 PM

jso2897: legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?

The way it's measured hasn't changed in over a decade - it is a metric. It measures change.
As far as lots of people dropping out of the job market - well, duh. They are called "Boomers" - and a WHOLE lot of them are "dropping out" of the job market - they are retiring.


Serious post?
 
2012-10-05 04:05:05 PM

archichris: The real math has the unemployment rate at about 11% and when you include people who have a job but need more work or a better job, the number jumps to more like 23%.


What was the unemployment rate in January 1999?
 
2012-10-05 04:05:42 PM

Great_Milenko: yes, they absolutely could.


BTW Apple has admitted that building their stuff in the US wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.
 
2012-10-05 04:11:38 PM
Whatever happened to the times when someone was congratulated for doing a good job?
 
2012-10-05 04:11:40 PM
but do they count the people out of work who cannot claim unemployment anymore?

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Nope.
 
2012-10-05 04:11:46 PM

MSFT: Civil_War2_Time: Big job gains: Oil and gas.
Big job losses: Aerospace, defense and security.

Both are industries the liberals want to wreck, but have only succeeded in doing that to one of them...

Once Romney gets elected, and "sequestration" is revoked, huge job gains in A, D&S will make him (Obama) look like a fool for signing that into effect last year.

Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
God Is Born Of A Mother -
She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.


I don't even know WTF you are trying to say.
 
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