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(Talking Points Memo)   Moments after the unemployment numbers were released, Jack Welch insisted the Bureau of Labor Statistics was part of a vast conspiracy and they are helping President Obama change numbers. Jack Welch has created a Job Truthers movement   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 293
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2012-10-05 02:25:18 PM

meat0918: We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.


You mean like the entire health care plan which is basically the same plan the Republicans were supporting in the 90s?
 
2012-10-05 02:25:26 PM
www.welchsinternational.com
 
2012-10-05 02:25:51 PM

publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic


An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
 
2012-10-05 02:26:31 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: No, probably not. I'm sure all the people who have found jobs as the economy improved feel much better now.


I know a guy who got hired two months ago after a long unemployment. Dude was, and is, freaking delighted. As are his fiancee and son. I'm glad that the 7.8 isn't 9.5, and hope that in two years it's 6.0.
 
2012-10-05 02:27:15 PM

Bill Frist: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense. Take that as you will.

I don't think you know what the word "flat" means.


[growlersoftware.com image 580x544]


according to BLS?
what about BOC?

does it need more cow bell?!!
 
2012-10-05 02:28:47 PM
Sigh. When the numbers get worse, it's Obama's fault for not doing enough about it. When the numbers get better, it's Obama's fault for lying about it.

The actual data is available, as the article reminded everyone - it's not like they're publishing results without publishing both data & methodology. Go nuts, prove the figures wrong, but please, shut the fark up until you do so.

This "let's claim a conspiracy exists every time reality doesn't match ideology, without any useful proof to back that conspiracy theory" routine is getting old.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:00 PM

jso2897: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.


Isn't the metric system part of the List of People, Groups, Publications, Creatures, and Inanimate Objects Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America? I haven't seen an updated version lately.
 
2012-10-05 02:29:31 PM

TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?


The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.
 
2012-10-05 02:30:35 PM

FormlessOne: This "let's claim a conspiracy exists every time reality doesn't match ideology, without any useful proof to back that conspiracy theory" routine is getting old.


I'm seeing repeating bears.
 
2012-10-05 02:31:13 PM
U3, U5, U6, etc. are not measurements - they are metrics. they are intended to measure change. Arguments against the methodology are stupid - all that matters is that the same measurements be taken every time, and the results compared to other results.
 
2012-10-05 02:33:05 PM

Glenford: jso2897: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

Isn't the metric system part of the List of People, Groups, Publications, Creatures, and Inanimate Objects Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America? I haven't seen an updated version lately.


Oh, right - he probably thinks "metrics" is some socialist European plot to undermine America's system of weights and measures.
 
2012-10-05 02:34:56 PM

GBB: dchurch0:

It truely is unbelievable how little people are willing to work; that they only see one side and do absolutely zero independant research.

FTFM
 
2012-10-05 02:36:22 PM
D you know why people are claiming this is a conspiracy? Because during the debate, Romney kept claiming things are worse under Obama than they were under ANY other president in history.

He makes these claims and doesn't even say where he got the numbers, at least in other debates, they would say something like "according to the latest XXX Poll/report you haven't accomplished anything"

Then, we as people who wish to be informed, could go take a look

But seems to me that Romney was pulling a lot of numbers out his ass that night and the toe liners just eat it up as gospel...

Then when the numbers come out soon enough that their attention span hasn't moved them on to the next big distraction, and it's right there in their face that Romney was wrong, that his claims that Obama is failing on all fronts is wrong, then they take to the only conclusion they can... conspiracy, cover up...

This shiat is no different than people believing the gov't was responsible for 9/11 because they couldn't fathom that a small group of dedicated tribesmen could find a chink in the armor of America...

When something so unfathomable happens that shatters a person's perspective on reality and they can't get a grasp on it, then they immediately turn to some dark unseen power, illuminati, masons, the gov't, as a source of some conspiracy because there's NO WAY in the world THEY had a skewed perspective of reality...

Accountability, how does it work? You can't explain that!
 
2012-10-05 02:36:42 PM

austin_millbarge: meat0918: We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.

You mean like the entire health care plan which is basically the same plan the Republicans were supporting in the 90s?


It is actually Romneycare, carbon copy of Mass plan he put in place. Getting the media to support the lie of naming it Obamacare was masterful and probably VERY expensive.
 
2012-10-05 02:38:01 PM

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


Account created: 2012-09-28 23:46:02

Just for records sake.
 
2012-10-05 02:38:33 PM
I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-05 02:38:34 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen,

The facts are as follows: For the unemployment rate to drop .03%, the economy would have had to expand at a rate of 4.5%. The economy is still limping along at nearly 1.3%. You can say all you want about old Jack; however, the figures don't add up and deserve to be greeted with skepticism.

Now...continue the flame war; but, from this point onwards, I think that only the unthinking should be allowed to participate.

Thank you very much...
 
2012-10-05 02:38:43 PM

jso2897: Glenford: jso2897: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

An adult who can operate a computer and doesn't know what a "metric" is, and how it works, is pretty pathetic, if you ask me.

Isn't the metric system part of the List of People, Groups, Publications, Creatures, and Inanimate Objects Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America? I haven't seen an updated version lately.

Oh, right - he probably thinks "metrics" is some socialist European plot to undermine America's system of weights and measures.


Settle down, we all have to learn "metrics" bacause the USA is going to that system. sic.

forgive me, but I just love stupid aired
 
2012-10-05 02:39:06 PM
Thanks to Jack Welch, we will have another factor stimulating the economy: increased demand for tinfoil.
 
2012-10-05 02:39:44 PM
Sorry, The one chart that shows there's been no jobs market recovery since the end of the Great Recession
i1034.photobucket.com

Link
 
2012-10-05 02:40:03 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Just suprises the fark outta me!
 
2012-10-05 02:40:57 PM

InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.


How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:12 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


Obama Derangement Syndrome is real.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:18 PM

CeroX: D you know why people are claiming this is a conspiracy? Because during the debate, Romney kept claiming things are worse under Obama than they were under ANY other president in history.

He makes these claims and doesn't even say where he got the numbers, at least in other debates, they would say something like "according to the latest XXX Poll/report you haven't accomplished anything"

Then, we as people who wish to be informed, could go take a look

But seems to me that Romney was pulling a lot of numbers out his ass that night and the toe liners just eat it up as gospel...

Then when the numbers come out soon enough that their attention span hasn't moved them on to the next big distraction, and it's right there in their face that Romney was wrong, that his claims that Obama is failing on all fronts is wrong, then they take to the only conclusion they can... conspiracy, cover up...

This shiat is no different than people believing the gov't was responsible for 9/11 because they couldn't fathom that a small group of dedicated tribesmen could find a chink in the armor of America...

When something so unfathomable happens that shatters a person's perspective on reality and they can't get a grasp on it, then they immediately turn to some dark unseen power, illuminati, masons, the gov't, as a source of some conspiracy because there's NO WAY in the world THEY had a skewed perspective of reality...

Accountability, how does it work? You can't explain that!


Exactly. the moron looks at the U numbers, and says to himself "That can't be right!".
then, he studies the methodology and finds what he thinks are "flaws" in the way the numbers are calculated, and proclaims the information false.
What the idiot fails to take into account is that the methodologies have been unchanged for some time now - and they measure change.
 
2012-10-05 02:41:35 PM
Remember when Hillary said there was a vast right wing conspiracy against her husband and everyone laughed?

Good times...
 
2012-10-05 02:41:45 PM
Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?

From Opensecrets.org

Contributor: FRAZIS, HARLEY
BETHESDA,MD 20814

Occupation: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS

Date: 7/9/12

Amount: $2,000

Recipient: Obama, Barack (D)
 
2012-10-05 02:44:12 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


I have a hard time believing that a country that cannot mange to sneak some fake WMDs into a warzone that they completely control to later be conveniently 'found' is ever accused of any conspiracy whatsoever but there it is.

Seriously how many times has the US government looked stupid as hell? Too many times to count, and yet still people think that it is this vast omniscient entity capable of anything.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:14 PM

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?

From Opensecrets.org

Contributor: FRAZIS, HARLEY
BETHESDA,MD 20814

Occupation: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS

Date: 7/9/12

Amount: $2,000

Recipient: Obama, Barack (D)


No.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:33 PM

jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]


they revised the numbers from the 1st qtr. I'm guessing this is reflected in this new number. it seems someone isn't paying attention.

MikeM: Ladies and Gentlemen,

The facts are as follows: For the unemployment rate to drop .03%, the economy would have had to expand at a rate of 4.5%. The economy is still limping along at nearly 1.3%. You can say all you want about old Jack; however, the figures don't add up and deserve to be greeted with skepticism.

Now...continue the flame war; but, from this point onwards, I think that only the unthinking should be allowed to participate.

Thank you very much...


this means you too.
 
2012-10-05 02:44:45 PM

TaskMan: InmanRoshi: TaskMan: shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.

You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?

The data that is used to comprise the unemployment numbers is made public for peer review, and is widely used by analysts in the private sector and academia. Meaning, if the numbers are being cooked, it could and would be readily and easily pointed out.

If you and other tinfoil hat nutjobs want to make the allegation of some wild conspiracy theory, the burden of proof is on you to prove your thesis. The data is available for you to do so.

Until then, we get to point and laugh at you.

How many days does it take to vote in a policy? Because I am pretty sure that it doesn't take 6 months to cast a vote. I am also pretty sure that policy is planned in advance by both parties regardless of who holds power. You think the Dems came into congress and decided they would start to THINK about policy 6 months in? Or do you think they enacted policy and it affected change?

Yes, the great recession can and likely did start BEFORE they took office. I would further that their actions and inactions at the time exacerbated that.

The point I made was not about 800,00 jobs (although I admit to poorly wording it)- it was about the speed in which things can occure in this country. We live in a society that operates at the speed of electricity. To think that policy takes more than 6 months to START a recession is foolish.


To say something like this when you clearly have zero idea what you're talking about is foolish.
 
2012-10-05 02:45:15 PM

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?

From Opensecrets.org

Contributor: FRAZIS, HARLEY
BETHESDA,MD 20814

Occupation: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS

Date: 7/9/12

Amount: $2,000

Recipient: Obama, Barack (D)


What sort of thing?
 
2012-10-05 02:45:44 PM

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?


Why, does money suddenly stop being "free speech" when it's not benefiting you losers?
 
2012-10-05 02:46:07 PM
Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link
 
2012-10-05 02:46:47 PM
It says a lot about the true character and motivations of Republicans when any good news about the US makes them behave like angry, petulant children while bad news (like, Christopher Stevens' death) makes them gloat with glee.
 
2012-10-05 02:47:20 PM

MikeM: Ladies and Gentlemen,

I have no idea what the difference between the GDP and employment is.


We know.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:01 PM
indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com

Bro, have you ever noticed what's going in the dollar bill? Dude, it's some weird stuff man. Also, do you believe the U6 metric, or is that what the 12 foot lizards want you to believe?
 
2012-10-05 02:48:20 PM
I love how the Allen West comments are just spewing whatever left-wing buzzwords can be found to try and diminish the other side.

If there was a drinking game for that, we'd all be dead.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:26 PM
So, it's not really 10-15% anymore? That's a great thing!

USA, USA!!!
 
2012-10-05 02:48:30 PM

bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link


B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.
 
2012-10-05 02:48:39 PM

InmanRoshi: [indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

Bro, have you ever noticed what's going in the dollar bill? Dude, it's some weird stuff man. Also, do you believe the U6 metric, or is that what the 12 foot lizards want you to believe?


Wake up, sheeple!
 
2012-10-05 02:48:58 PM

Ball Sack Obama: Shouldn't this kind of thing be frowned upon a bit?


2000 votes of capitalist free speech? Why do you hate America?
 
2012-10-05 02:49:21 PM

HotWingConspiracy: jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]

Obama Derangement Syndrome is real.


I do have to acknowledge that you Obama supporters are indeed deranged.
 
2012-10-05 02:49:27 PM
jso2897: "What sort of thing?"

Citizens participating in the political process, apparently.
 
2012-10-05 02:49:52 PM

HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Worth noting that Gallup Daily Tracking, which uses a five day rolling average, reports no uptick for Romney yet from the debate. In fact, it gives Obama a gain of one. That average would have included yesterday, the day after the debate.

Granted, it isn't a lot of data. But the preliminary evidence suggests the debate probably won't turn the race upside down.

Link

B-b-but Romney said stuff! He won by being a dick and lying! The media said so.


The only thing anybody will remember a week from now is that Romney wants to fire Big Bird.
 
2012-10-05 02:50:55 PM

I_C_Weener: Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.

I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


Not by much.

Welch has received criticism for a lack of compassion for the middle class and working class. By his actions during acquisitions and wholesale shutdowns of GE business units Welch proved that his technique of only keeping the units your company is "good" at you can maximize ROI for the short term. Welch has stated that he is not concerned with the discrepancy between the salaries of top-paid CEOs and those of average workers. When asked about the issue of excessive CEO pay, Welch has said that such allegations are "outrageous" and has vehemently opposed proposed SEC regulations affecting executive compensation. Countering the public uproar over excessive executive pay (including backdating stock options, golden parachutes for nonperformance, and extravagant retirement packages), Welch stated that CEO compensation should continue to be dictated by the free market, without interference from government or other outside agencies.

Welch's income and assets came under scrutiny during his divorce from his second wife Jane in 2001, after she included details in divorce papers of what she said he received as benefits from GE. Welch's contracts with GE were subsequently investigated by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).The retention package, worth $2.5 million, agreed upon by Welch and GE in 1996 promised him continued access after his retirement to benefits he received as CEO including an apartment in New York, baseball tickets and use of a private jet and chauffeured car. These benefits were agreed upon in lieu of a more traditional stock package because, according to Welch, he did not want more money, preferring instead to retain the lifestyle he had enjoyed as CEO once he retired. According to an interview with Welch in 2009 this agreement was filed with the SEC. As a result of the media attention his divorce proceedings brought to his retention package, particularly claims that such a package made him look "greedy", Welch chose to renounce the benefits.
 
2012-10-05 02:51:12 PM

meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.


=================

It's true that powerful people.....i.e., the one percent...want Obama gone, it has little to due with their personal feelings about Obama. The 1% are using the ignorance and racism of a sizable portion of the 99% for their personal gain. A large number of the American electorate have been blinded as to the ulterior motives of the 1% by their own petty bigotry. All they know is that there is a n****r. mooslime, commie in the White House, and they want him gone.......or better yet, dead. They will gladly send the ship into the iceberg to see the captain drown. Of course they are on the same ship, but hey, logical was never the strong suit of this group. This is exactly what the 1% want. When the derp class of Jebus hypocrites, and Honey BooBoo fans gets what it wants, they will have painted themselves into a corner and guess who is going to be standing their with the "solution"?
 
2012-10-05 02:51:58 PM

MikeM: Ladies and Gentlemen,

The facts are as follows: For the unemployment rate to drop .03%, the economy would have had to expand at a rate of 4.5%. The economy is still limping along at nearly 1.3%. You can say all you want about old Jack; however, the figures don't add up and deserve to be greeted with skepticism.

Now...continue the flame war; but, from this point onwards, I think that only the unthinking should be allowed to participate.

Thank you very much...


1. The GDP is a lagging indicator. People hired today won't show a production increase on their companys' books for about 4 months, and won't show up on the national report until about 7 months from now.

2. In nice round terms, 800K were hired, 350K were fired (or laid off, or quit), and 350K retired.
It's the last number that's so interesting. There have been very few retirees in the past three years. Looks like their savings have climbed high enough that they can afford to retire.

Employment increased by 450K jobs (350K left the workforce and 100K new jobs were created), but GDP only increased by 100K jobs worth: people retiring and being replaced with younger people helps unemployment but doesn't help GDP.

Unemployment will drop a lot in the next year or two simply because so many Baby Boomers will retire. That's assuming that the stock market doesn't wipe out 70% of their savings again.
 
2012-10-05 02:52:00 PM

InmanRoshi: [indianinthemachine.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]

Bro, have you ever noticed what's going in the dollar bill? Dude, it's some weird stuff man. Also, do you believe the U6 metric, or is that what the 12 foot lizards want you to believe?


static.dangerousminds.net
 
2012-10-05 02:52:04 PM

jjorsett: HotWingConspiracy: jjorsett: I don't know why people are having such a hard time believing the best improvement in the jobless rate in 30 years happened one month before a presidential election.

[i50.tinypic.com image 350x277]

Obama Derangement Syndrome is real.

I do have to acknowledge that you Obama supporters are indeed deranged.


Right, the sane people know that the employment numbers are a conspiracy. Because Chicago.
 
2012-10-05 02:52:43 PM

theorellior: HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.

You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?


It's spelled Thunderpipes, but it's pronounced, Ignored.
 
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