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(Talking Points Memo)   Moments after the unemployment numbers were released, Jack Welch insisted the Bureau of Labor Statistics was part of a vast conspiracy and they are helping President Obama change numbers. Jack Welch has created a Job Truthers movement   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 293
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2012-10-05 02:08:39 PM

Thunderpipes: and the household survey, flat for years


If you take a look at the trend from Jan 2010 to today, it's clearly not flat, it's declining. Today's release isn't outside of the trend at all.

Source
 
2012-10-05 02:08:48 PM

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


yeah republicans, thanks for the trillion dollar budget deficits and no jobs bills being passed. just imagine what it would be if they had accepted the 4 trillion in cuts and the jobs bills Obama has offered up?
 
2012-10-05 02:09:11 PM
I love it. People are still contending that things are just fine..
and improving

been hearing that for the last 4 years, thanks
 
2012-10-05 02:10:21 PM

Hobodeluxe: just imagine what it would be if they had accepted the 4 trillion in cuts and the jobs bills Obama has offered up?



You mean the Obama jobs bill that Republicans deny ever even existed? Farking treasonous right wing @ssholes. Americans suffered because of them.
 
2012-10-05 02:10:36 PM
lennavan I would just like to take this moment to remind people GE has made $80 Billion in the last decade, paying a 2.3% tax rate on that profit.


Wonderful model perpetuated by Immelt.. `and then what happened?' 'Gee, we bring good socialism to life'...

To take one example: On Sept. 15, 2008, the day Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy, Paulson says he was "startled" when Immelt came to his office and told him GE was finding it "very difficult" to sell short-term debt "for any term longer than overnight." A day earlier, GE sent investors a letter saying its ability to sell commercial paper was "robust." Immelt, in a statement issued Friday by GE, said he "does not believe" the two discussed problems with GE commercial paper on Sept. 15, or in one previous talk. The company did not contest Paulson's account of other conversations about the issue a few weeks later.

Paulson's disclosures help flesh out one of the more perplexing mysteries of the 2008 bailout package: How, in a matter of a few weeks, GE's highly profitable finance arm, GE Capital, became eligible for a federal debt guarantee program that initially excluded firms like GE.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/05/AR201 0 020504212.html
 
2012-10-05 02:10:41 PM

dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect, but I doubt the guy who can't pull off a debate could pull off this!


Nice conspiracy theory. BLS publishes data on a schedule, you know, like any other boring bureaucracy.
Do you also believe the NOAA released a hurricane on the GOP convention on Obama's orders too?
 
2012-10-05 02:11:07 PM

reillan: Why won't Jack Welch answer the reports that say he helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990?


It's not true that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990. You may have heard rumors that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990, but those rumors re false. I don' even know how the rumor that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990 got started. So, if someone tells you that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990, tell them that it's not true that Welch helped Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990.
 
GBB
2012-10-05 02:11:15 PM

super_grass: Good:

Point out that unemployment statistics often ignore the long term unemployed and those who have given up on job hunts altogether.

Bad:

Go full retard and rant about conspiracies.


Good:
Looking for a job even though you are sure you won't get hired.
Bad:
Give in, stop looking for a job, then turn around and complain that the unemployment figures don't include you.
 
2012-10-05 02:11:15 PM

deeproy: Jack Welch? You mean that guy that sold out GE for short term gain that almost led to the collapse of the company?


Wait a second...under Welch GE's value rose 4000%.

By almost any account, he was the greatest CEO in the 20th century.

But don't let facts and other reality-based commentary get in the way of your derp-fest.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:11 PM
And the news cycle feeds you all the entertainment you need for another few days. You're distracted, as usual, and continue to enjoy the Us vs Them Show, while the real people in charge keep running things the way they have for centuries, regardless of the "leaders" they choose for us.

You buy into it. You buy into the arguments and the lies. You buy into the excitement and division. You don't want to work together. You NEED this show to keep you busy.

Whoever "wins", it will be exactly who the real rulers want in place for the next four years, because it serves their needs and tips the scales in the direction they want them tipped. You have about as much choice and voice in the direction of the world as an ant has in whether or not you flood his home with your garden hose.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:20 PM
Everyone not working, raise your hands.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:39 PM
Even if you think the numbers are cooked, is that REALLY something you want to be saying outloud for the entire world to see? It's amazing how people like that can make it to the top.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:44 PM

natas6.0: I love it. People are still contending that things are just fine..
and improving

been hearing that for the last 4 years, thanks


That's how time works.
 
2012-10-05 02:12:52 PM

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


It was 7.3% at this point in 1984.
 
2012-10-05 02:13:10 PM

Coach_J: By almost any account, he was the greatest CEO in the 20th century.


come on now....
 
2012-10-05 02:13:51 PM

snocone: FTA: "hoping for bad news".
Pretty much sums up the extent of GOP planing these days.
Egg sucking dogs would be more helpful.
Four years of intentionally dragging the country down "because there is a farking Black Man in OUR White House" is so old and busted.

These fundies are not going to get over it. Call it what it is, TREASON, and start hanging the asshats.

There is no butthurt like Fundie Butthurt. It is of biblical proportions.


You appear to have short memory syndrome.
 
2012-10-05 02:13:59 PM

dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect, but I doubt the guy who can't pull off a debate could pull off this!


You're right. The first Friday of the month is a completely inexplicable time to release the previous month's job report. It was inexplicable when they did it last month, and it will be inexplicable again when they do it on November 2.
 
2012-10-05 02:14:04 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: i.imgur.com


That is about ten times funnier than it should be. Funny'd.
 
2012-10-05 02:14:06 PM
Was Welch in charge when GE was paying no taxes

natas6.0: I love it. People are still contending that things are just fine..
and improving

been hearing that for the last 4 years, thanks


Fine is not an absolute state. There is always room for improvement.

Please learn the meaning of words for your own sake.
 
2012-10-05 02:14:11 PM
Meh, people have been spinning the debate since yesterday too circle the wagons around Barry. So is anyone really surprised at this?

/The only time the truth gets told is when your side is in charge, right?
 
2012-10-05 02:14:29 PM

Arkanaut: legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?

It was 7.3% at this point in 1984.


that .5% difference is the difference between Saint Reagan, greatest president of all time! and the second coming of Hitler meets muslim anarchist mooncheese baby!
 
2012-10-05 02:14:30 PM
Read that as Jack "Webb," heard "Dragnet" theme

/Tum Tah Dum-dum

//Yes, ripped off by "Tums"
 
2012-10-05 02:14:54 PM

ZeroCorpse: And the news cycle feeds you all the entertainment you need for another few days. You're distracted, as usual, and continue to enjoy the Us vs Them Show, while the real people in charge keep running things the way they have for centuries, regardless of the "leaders" they choose for us.

You buy into it. You buy into the arguments and the lies. You buy into the excitement and division. You don't want to work together. You NEED this show to keep you busy.

Whoever "wins", it will be exactly who the real rulers want in place for the next four years, because it serves their needs and tips the scales in the direction they want them tipped. You have about as much choice and voice in the direction of the world as an ant has in whether or not you flood his home with your garden hose.


Yes, because all the "real leaders" are of one mind and work together in secret. Speak truth to power!
 
2012-10-05 02:15:30 PM

shower_in_my_socks: wxboy: October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM

Obama better hope this report is a good one as well.


That report won't matter. It's too late in the game to have a measurable outcome on the election, one way or the other, unless we lose or gain like 1,000,000 jobs this month. This was the last jobs report that will have any impact on the election.


Sure it will. A bad jobs report will be regarded by the GOP as God's honest truth, don'tcha know.

Someday they'll run out of mud to throw in the refs' faces.
 
2012-10-05 02:15:30 PM

ZeroCorpse: Whoever "wins", it will be exactly who the real rulers want in place for the next four years



This sounds like a 16-year-olds punk rock lyric. I guarantee you the "real rulers" don't want to elect a guy who is going to eliminate the Bush Tax Cuts for the rich. I guarantee you they don't want the people who want to KEEP all of those expensive social safety nets. The Military Industrial Complex doesn't want the guy who is refusing to back a war with Iran. It's the simpleton's way out to just throw up your hands and say both sides are the same. Pay attention -- they farking aren't the same.
 
2012-10-05 02:15:43 PM
Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic
 
2012-10-05 02:16:22 PM
You know what's funny?

If you present conservatives with facts, their standard operating procedure is to attack the messenger.
If you tell them that some dude rose from the dead 2000 years ago, they accept that without question.
 
2012-10-05 02:16:28 PM

shower_in_my_socks: publikenemy: How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..


The Great Depression II has been averted, and you're in a thread that is celebrating the continued lowering of the unemployment rate after a massive recession that hit during your boy Dubya's 7th year in office. I could go farther, but I'm putting dumbasses like you on ignore instead -- you brainwashed trolls aren't worth the time.


i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress. You know- the people who actually HOLD the purse strings. And, oh look! Obama was part of that group, too. I'd say if you track the failure, it tends to trend with whoever runs congress. If the House and the Senate are split, it trends with whoever has the presidency as well.

Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.
 
2012-10-05 02:16:30 PM

Onkel Buck: Meh, people have been spinning the debate since yesterday too circle the wagons around Barry. So is anyone really surprised at this?

/The only time the truth gets told is when your side is in charge, right?


Come again? What are you blathering on about now?
 
2012-10-05 02:17:33 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: rev. dave: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.

And this is the first thing I think about when they start screaming about conspiracies. None of us were even thinking about conspiracy. So as it is in relationships and voter fraud, the first one to make an issue of it is usually the guilty party projecting their own sins on others.

So in other words, "He who smelt it, dealt it." And there's a lot to smell when you're around Presidebt Fart..........


No please finish. Details, citations etc...
 
2012-10-05 02:17:38 PM

TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.



So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:15 PM

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


The way it's measured hasn't changed in over a decade - it is a metric. It measures change.
As far as lots of people dropping out of the job market - well, duh. They are called "Boomers" - and a WHOLE lot of them are "dropping out" of the job market - they are retiring.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:17 PM

TaskMan: Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.


Lordamercy. Not this tired chestnut. Get some new schtick, FFS.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:21 PM

publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term?


His first term isn't over.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:41 PM

publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic


People acting like the president has completely control of the economy are the pathetic ones here. Do you really think Congress (to say nothing of other factors) bears no blame?

the trend line was much better when Dems controlled house. Got way worse when Republicans took control.
 
GBB
2012-10-05 02:19:12 PM

dchurch0: vpb: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.


I am sure some have been delaying hiring in hope of influencing the election. I mean, if you are running a large corporation you know that announcing a large hire of people would be good news for the incumbent.

I think there will be a sudden slight drop in unemployment right after the election no matter who wins.

I was out at the bar the night of the debates. I was having a drink with the president of the company I work for. I was finishing my drink and telling him I had to go when it was done so I could go home and watch the debate.

He started telling me to go watch the 2016 movie, how Obama is a socialist and a Muslim, that China owns us, and that if he gets re-elected our country will fail before the end of his next term. He then started to go into detail about how Mitt Romney was the best person ever for our great country. He said lots of fun stuff throughout the conversation.

I wound up staying for another drink and talking to him. The conversation got a little heated at times, but that's just how we communicate. I basically shot down all of his talking points. By the end of it, I was sure I was going to get fired when I got to work the next day. But when he got here, he just stopped by and said hello, then thanked me for the passionate debate and gave me credit for pointing out things that he was unaware of. Then he told me that no matter what he had learned, he just knew that Obama was bad for the country, and there was nothing I could ever say or do to change his mind. Then reminded me to go watch the movie he told me about.

So I guess I am happy to still be employed, but I feel really bad for my country. I live in the reddest part of Nebraska, so I guess I should have known what I was getting into.


My fiance's aunt was just down from upstate NY and said similar things. Went on about how Obama is a socialist and whatnot. Then she went on about how Social Security was going to be ruined along with Medicare. I asked if she had any clue about what she was talking about. Apparently not. She only knew what she heard on Fox News et al.

It truely is unbelievable how people work; that they only see one side and do absolutely zero independant research.
 
Ehh
2012-10-05 02:19:22 PM
Well, Jack, just fire a few million peasants already. And go hunting for Clenis again.

And DIAF.
 
2012-10-05 02:19:38 PM
Yeah! , what does Jack know about being successful?
 
2012-10-05 02:19:38 PM

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


Since when is 7.8% good? Reagan has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers!
 
2012-10-05 02:20:14 PM
You can fix this problem, Jack. Just lay off 114K of GE's workers and move those jobs to China. Hell, you're probably going to do it just after the election anyway. You may get a larger return on the plan by executing now.
 
2012-10-05 02:21:19 PM

shower_in_my_socks: TaskMan: i'd just like to point out that Dubya's 7th year in office was also the year when the Dems took over congress.


So the Great Recession was created in just 6 months? That's just farking retarded.


You want to believe that 800,000 jobs were created in 1 month. How is this any less retarded?
 
2012-10-05 02:21:51 PM

theorellior: TaskMan: Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.

Lordamercy. Not this tired chestnut. Get some new schtick, FFS.


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2012-10-05 02:22:08 PM

theorellior: TaskMan: Personally, I'd like to see how this all played out in the budgets for those years, but the Dems refuse to pass one. And yes, it's the Dems. Harry Reid refuses to even consider one- as he has done for the previous 6 years.

Lordamercy. Not this tired chestnut. Get some new schtick, FFS.


And yet, it's surprisingly accurate.
 
2012-10-05 02:22:43 PM
In other news, the DOW hit its highest point today since 2007.
 
2012-10-05 02:23:06 PM

Bill Frist: publikenemy: Imagine what would happen if Obama actually kept his promise of a rate that would drop to 5.3% after his first term? People crowing about 7.8% is pathetic

People acting like the president has completely control of the economy are the pathetic ones here. Do you really think Congress (to say nothing of other factors) bears no blame?

the trend line was much better when Dems controlled house. Got way worse when Republicans took control.


Not only pretending that the president has complete control of the economy, but also that as soon as Obama was inaugurated the economic landscape becomes a blank slate.
 
2012-10-05 02:23:21 PM

Bonkthat_Again: Jack Welch is single handedly responsible for creating the majority of misery in working for Corporate America.


he stole my jeans out of the dryer in the laund-o-mat when i went out for a coca-cola and i've been wearing the same stank pair of toughskins ever since. damn him. damn him right to hell!
 
2012-10-05 02:23:42 PM

publikenemy: Truth hurts?


No, probably not. I'm sure all the people who have found jobs as the economy improved feel much better now.
 
2012-10-05 02:24:51 PM

Bill Frist: Arkanaut: legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?

It was 7.3% at this point in 1984.

that .5% difference is the difference between Saint Reagan, greatest president of all time! and the second coming of Hitler meets muslim anarchist mooncheese baby!


And that difference is the .5% is due to the difference in reduction in government jobs.

media.economist.com
 
2012-10-05 02:24:55 PM

BitwiseShift: Begs to be photoshopped like an Iranian UFO.

[talkingpointsmemo.com image 400x240]


Bat Boy's dad?
 
2012-10-05 02:25:17 PM
As a guy involved in construction who has actually been reporting my company's payroll and employment numbers to an actual human being at the department of labor on a monthly basis for the last 15 years I'd just like to say, 'hey, lets go ask an old retired CEO what he thinks of the employment numbers'. BTW - nice job on the divorces Jack - note to self, do not ask Jack Welch how to write a prenup.

/if anyone cares, we had 57 employees last year at this time, now we have 65. Perhaps we are just moving in a countertrend to Mr Welch's secret numbers. I don't know where he lives, but employment is most certainly up in the pac nw.
 
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