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(Talking Points Memo)   Moments after the unemployment numbers were released, Jack Welch insisted the Bureau of Labor Statistics was part of a vast conspiracy and they are helping President Obama change numbers. Jack Welch has created a Job Truthers movement   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 293
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2012-10-05 01:48:14 PM
thesmokingnun.files.wordpress.com

What Zero Job Growth might look like:

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2012-10-05 01:48:15 PM
Any idea with why they're running with "conspiracy" rather than "the market got so excited for a President Romney after the debate, job creators finally deemed us worthy of creating a job"?
 
2012-10-05 01:48:31 PM

Bigbobhooter: Dep't of Human Service.


IT'S A COOKBOOK
 
2012-10-05 01:48:50 PM
PREDICTION: There will be another BLS jobs report on November 2nd, and then again on December 7th. The Right Wing Retard Brigade on Fark is going to have their farking minds blown when that prediction comes true. I'm either a psychic heathen or I'm in on the conspiracy!
 
2012-10-05 01:49:28 PM
Even if the President had that kind of pull, every single President would be doing the same. So taken on aggregate the range remains the same.
 
2012-10-05 01:49:40 PM
Between this and hankygate I'm starting to think that comet they found is starting to make people even more retarded than normal.
 
2012-10-05 01:50:11 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Any idea with why they're running with "conspiracy" rather than "the market got so excited for a President Romney after the debate, job creators finally deemed us worthy of creating a job"?


Maybe not even Republicans are dumb enough to believe that you could hire 100k people overnight.
 
2012-10-05 01:50:38 PM

Bigbobhooter: Jack Welch is a douche-- but he's got a point about how fungible those unemployment numbers are.


Odd that he never brings that up when they're supporting a GOP narrative.
 
2012-10-05 01:52:35 PM
Ah, yes. Neutron Jack, called that for 30 years because of his ability to wipe out all the people and leave empty buildings standing.
 
2012-10-05 01:52:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Any idea with why they're running with "conspiracy" rather than "the market got so excited for a President Romney after the debate, job creators finally deemed us worthy of creating a job"?


I suspect Welch blew the lid on it because there were no pre-approved marching orders from the party leadership. It's just like when bin Laden was killed and took the right by surprise. Without preplanned talking points the apologists were just wandering threads in a daze throwing whatever shiat they could to see what might stick. Took 'em a few days to get their orders and solidify a message.
 
2012-10-05 01:52:53 PM
Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later
 
2012-10-05 01:53:11 PM
"Jobbers"?
 
2012-10-05 01:53:41 PM
There's nobody home. You can see it in his eyes.

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2012-10-05 01:53:43 PM

impaler: Is Gallup in on it too?

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Typical liberal polling by Gallup there. Rasmussen polled 5,000 children and senior citizens and found a whopping 99% unemployment rate. There is simply no excuse for 99% unemployment, no matter how much Presidebt Barack wants to try to make one up. This is due to Barry Hussein Marshall Davis's failed leadership and policies.
 
2012-10-05 01:53:51 PM

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?
 
2012-10-05 01:54:11 PM

Mentat: Jack Welsh is also the guy who dismissively said on the Colbert Report that outsourcing has been great for America.


It has, absolutely. How succesful is Apple for instance? Think they could do that paying workers $35 an hour to make their phones? Think the millions of people who went from manufacturing to high tech jobs miss it? Do you want to work in a sneaker factory?

The economy is global, like it or not.

now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense. Take that as you will.
 
2012-10-05 01:54:47 PM
Jack Welch? You mean that guy that sold out GE for short term gain that almost led to the collapse of the company?
 
2012-10-05 01:54:51 PM

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


Actually, 7.8%. Which is lower than it was when Obama took office. You're welcome.
 
2012-10-05 01:55:02 PM

JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.


And this is the first thing I think about when they start screaming about conspiracies. None of us were even thinking about conspiracy. So as it is in relationships and voter fraud, the first one to make an issue of it is usually the guilty party projecting their own sins on others.
 
2012-10-05 01:55:18 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

So is that the official talking point you nutjobs are being given or is that you taking a random stab in the dark and hoping you hit on something good?



Truth hurts?
 
2012-10-05 01:55:25 PM
Jack Welch knows plenty about cooking books.

www.ritholtz.com
 
2012-10-05 01:56:42 PM

Lt_Ryan: meat0918: Well, America had a nice run, but she can't compete with the massive amount of FUD because 40% of the country doesn't like the president despite things getting demonstratively and quantitatively better over the last 4 years.

I wish we had a computer sim of the last 4 years, and we could see what would happen if Republicans hadn't made Obama being a one term president their number one goal, and instead had worked with him.

Obama: I won.

Not sure if you can pin the non-cooperation solely on the the Republicans.


images.politico.com

Boehner: I do. When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the white House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

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We can do this dance all day, but there are many, many examples of the president reaching out and incorporating some Republican ideas into his proposals and the Republicans smacking the hand away.
 
2012-10-05 01:56:57 PM

Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.


Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:18 PM

I_C_Weener: I'm going out on a limb here, but this appears to be hyperbole.


Jack Welch is an archetype of the Alpha Dick Boss cult that American business finds itself wallowing in. You don't need to be a competent manager or someone with a long-term strategy, you just have to go into boardrooms and stockholder meetings and baffle them with as much loud, fast bullshiat as it takes. If you can get and keep a huge executive salary for your posturing, so much the better, because more expensive things are viewed as better and no one wants to believe they bought $60 million of snake oil. Spend a couple years slashing everything, and you can move on to rape the next company, knowing golden parachutes will follow you for the rest of your working life. Wipe hands on pants.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:36 PM

impaler: Is Gallup in on it too?

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Yes, but once you apply proper unskewed poll methodology to it you get to see the real truth:

public.gettysburg.edu

Unemployment is already at 74% and climbing! In another month or two it will be over 100%!!!! Many people will *not* have more than one job.

Unless of course you elect Mitt Romney.

Romney. He'll make everything better. (Details after the election)
 
2012-10-05 01:57:45 PM

Edsel: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later

Actually, 7.8%. Which is lower than it was when Obama took office. You're welcome.


And that's WITH the Republicans doing everything in their power to hamstring the economy to hurt Obama.
 
2012-10-05 01:57:58 PM

publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later



That's how much it cost us to clean up the last Republican mess. Let's not have to do that again, OK?
 
2012-10-05 01:58:19 PM

rev. dave: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.

And this is the first thing I think about when they start screaming about conspiracies. None of us were even thinking about conspiracy. So as it is in relationships and voter fraud, the first one to make an issue of it is usually the guilty party projecting their own sins on others.


So in other words, "He who smelt it, dealt it." And there's a lot to smell when you're around Presidebt Fart..........
 
2012-10-05 01:58:47 PM

Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense. Take that as you will.


I don't think you know what the word "flat" means.


growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 01:58:54 PM
Raising questions about the unemployment rate number falling so close to the election is one thing. Claiming it's a massive conspiracy looks like certifiable batshiat farktardery. Rethuglicans might want to be careful about how much they push this thing. Go overboard on it and you appear to be rooting for the country to fail. Besides, most voters already make a mental adjustment and put the unemployment rate at least 5-10 percentage points above the official number to account for all the people who have become so discouraged that they simply stop looking for work, at least for a while.

\horrified by what's happened to the GOP, but happy that now even many conservatives see Obama isn't the caricature he's often made out to be.
 
2012-10-05 02:00:23 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.

Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.


Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.
 
2012-10-05 02:01:06 PM
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Don't worry Republicans maybe another Ambassador will die. That seems to make you happy.

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2012-10-05 02:01:46 PM
Since when is 7.8% good? Obama has gotten so used to miserable numbers that some of you wax ecstatic over semi-miserable numbers! Amazing what kool-aid does to liberals. Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?
 
2012-10-05 02:02:08 PM

Thunderpipes: flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job?


It's actually increadibly common for employment to go up in the fall. In fact, it happens every year. Seasonal hiring is a real thing.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:29 PM

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.

Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.

Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.


So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:39 PM

shower_in_my_socks: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


That's how much it cost us to clean up the last Republican mess. Let's not have to do that again, OK?



LULZ...give me some o that Obama weed you're smokin. How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..You cannot, so you blame
 
2012-10-05 02:03:11 PM

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good?


When you inherit the greatest financial crises since the great depression?
 
2012-10-05 02:03:24 PM

vpb: JerseyTim: He has every right to be suspicious. Top business leaders had been colluding to keep unemployment high by not hiring. This flys in the face of their efforts.


I am sure some have been delaying hiring in hope of influencing the election. I mean, if you are running a large corporation you know that announcing a large hire of people would be good news for the incumbent.

I think there will be a sudden slight drop in unemployment right after the election no matter who wins.


I was out at the bar the night of the debates. I was having a drink with the president of the company I work for. I was finishing my drink and telling him I had to go when it was done so I could go home and watch the debate.

He started telling me to go watch the 2016 movie, how Obama is a socialist and a Muslim, that China owns us, and that if he gets re-elected our country will fail before the end of his next term. He then started to go into detail about how Mitt Romney was the best person ever for our great country. He said lots of fun stuff throughout the conversation.

I wound up staying for another drink and talking to him. The conversation got a little heated at times, but that's just how we communicate. I basically shot down all of his talking points. By the end of it, I was sure I was going to get fired when I got to work the next day. But when he got here, he just stopped by and said hello, then thanked me for the passionate debate and gave me credit for pointing out things that he was unaware of. Then he told me that no matter what he had learned, he just knew that Obama was bad for the country, and there was nothing I could ever say or do to change his mind. Then reminded me to go watch the movie he told me about.

So I guess I am happy to still be employed, but I feel really bad for my country. I live in the reddest part of Nebraska, so I guess I should have known what I was getting into.
 
2012-10-05 02:03:32 PM

legalgus: Since when is 7.8% good?



Look at the trend. And cry moar.
 
2012-10-05 02:04:00 PM
Sorry Jack, but anytime Allen West comes to your defense and agrees with you, any and all credibility flies out the window, at least to rational, intelligent people, that is.
 
2012-10-05 02:04:12 PM

Thunderpipes: HotWingConspiracy: Thunderpipes: now the numbers, pretty much flat for almost 4 years. Month before the election, they change, and the numbers don't make sense.

Can you share your calculations with us? You sound quite infromed.

Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!. Let me read that again. Yep, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH!!! You know how I know you are a farking willfully ignorant loon?
 
2012-10-05 02:04:18 PM

legalgus: Who is counting the numbers of those who have dropped off because of sheer frustration?


More people joined the job search this month. Why not... actually read up on the jobs report before parrotting GOP talking points that you don't appear to even understand?
 
2012-10-05 02:04:22 PM

Thunderpipes: Read the BLS report. Tell me that 114k jobs created (not quite enough to keep up with population growth) and all of a sudden we go from 8.1 to 7.8%. The household survey was used, not the establishment survey, and the household survey, flat for years, all of a sudden has 600k people get off their asses and get a part time job? Even if that were true, 600,000 people out of 800,000 "new" jobs are part time.

It is not accurate.


Doesn't seem much different than gallup's.

Why is it idiots like you think that what you imagine in your head is somehow more accurate than the figures from people that go out and poll thousands of people to measure reality?

growlersoftware.com
 
2012-10-05 02:04:45 PM

publikenemy: shower_in_my_socks: publikenemy: Who cares..7.9% ..right back where we were in January 2009...4 trillion dollars later


That's how much it cost us to clean up the last Republican mess. Let's not have to do that again, OK?


LULZ...give me some o that Obama weed you're smokin. How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..


Ask Boner, he's got the purse strings.
 
2012-10-05 02:05:09 PM

HotWingConspiracy: So those calculations? You're sounding severely infromed now, please share.


You realize he's called "Thunderpipes" because he pulls so much shiat out of his ass his toilet sounds like Niagara Falls trying to deal with it?
 
2012-10-05 02:05:36 PM

shower_in_my_socks: dontpointthatthingatme: The timing is a little suspect


The jobs reports are released on a timed schedule. I could have told you a year ago that there would be a BLS jobs report today because that's been on the BLS schedule for that long.

If the report was bad, none of the right wingnuts would have any problems with the timing. "Ooooh, and the hits on Obama just keep coming!"

The BLS report schedule from this past year:
...
October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM


Obama better hope this report is a good one as well.
 
2012-10-05 02:05:53 PM

publikenemy: How can you defend 4 trillion wasted dollars..



The Great Depression II has been averted, and you're in a thread that is celebrating the continued lowering of the unemployment rate after a massive recession that hit during your boy Dubya's 7th year in office. I could go farther, but I'm putting dumbasses like you on ignore instead -- you brainwashed trolls aren't worth the time.
 
2012-10-05 02:06:48 PM
Hey, at least makes some sense as a goal.
As opposed to the last derping point about Obama keeping gas prices higher because... who the fark knows why?
(somehow high gas prices were thought to be *good* for his re-election chances? or something?)


I don't think you can get a clearer example of how patently insane our country and its discourse have become, than tracking the inane 'criticisms' of Obama that have been and continue to be created. It's like all the fringe lunatic shiat said by random internet accounts about GWB -- but when it's pointed at Obama, it's coming from Congressmen, Senators, State politicians, party officials, prominent talking heads and radio hosts, former administration officials... It's absolutely mind-bottling.
 
2012-10-05 02:07:38 PM

wxboy: October 2012 - Nov. 02, 2012 - 08:30 AM

Obama better hope this report is a good one as well.



That report won't matter. It's too late in the game to have a measurable outcome on the election, one way or the other, unless we lose or gain like 1,000,000 jobs this month. This was the last jobs report that will have any impact on the election.
 
2012-10-05 02:08:36 PM
Today's GOP: "We want bad things for Americans unless we're in charge."

fark you.
 
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