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(USA Today)   One-game wild-card playoffs: "Now, in one game, any given day, a college team could beat a big league team. It's just the way the ball rolls. So I don't know how much one game proves as far as who deserves to move on,"   (usatoday.com) divider line 127
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2012-10-05 04:18:51 PM
What a stupid farking idea! Go Braves!
 
2012-10-05 04:26:09 PM
Yanks_RSJ: So I'm not allowed to point out an asinine format because I'm a Yankees fan? Get farked, it's asinine for the Nationals too. The teams that have the best records shouldn't be sitting around waiting to find out who they play THEN have to board a plane to play two games on the road. At least the A's and Reds knew on Wednesday who they'd be playing, so they could travel Thursday and have a regular workout on Friday. The Yankees and Nationals do not have even that luxury. The Yankees won't find out their opponent until midnight tonight. Quite a reward for having the AL's best record.

I'm sorry that your life as a baseball fan is miserable, but that doesn't mean that I'm not perfectly justified in stating the obvious about this year's playoff format. It's ridiculous.


You're allowed to point it out, and I'm allowed to say get over it. Win baseball games and stop crying over every perceived injustice. You know what would suck more? Winning 95 games and having it come down to a one game playoff against an 85 win team. You know what else sucks more? Not having your best starter available until game 3 on the road and potentially not having your best relievers available until game 2. Those things are probably as bad as the injustice of having to board a private chartered flight at midnight.
 
2012-10-05 04:30:09 PM

Daniels: Yanks_RSJ: So I'm not allowed to point out an asinine format because I'm a Yankees fan? Get farked, it's asinine for the Nationals too. The teams that have the best records shouldn't be sitting around waiting to find out who they play THEN have to board a plane to play two games on the road. At least the A's and Reds knew on Wednesday who they'd be playing, so they could travel Thursday and have a regular workout on Friday. The Yankees and Nationals do not have even that luxury. The Yankees won't find out their opponent until midnight tonight. Quite a reward for having the AL's best record.

I'm sorry that your life as a baseball fan is miserable, but that doesn't mean that I'm not perfectly justified in stating the obvious about this year's playoff format. It's ridiculous.

You're allowed to point it out, and I'm allowed to say get over it. Win baseball games and stop crying over every perceived injustice. You know what would suck more? Winning 95 games and having it come down to a one game playoff against an 85 win team. You know what else sucks more? Not having your best starter available until game 3 on the road and potentially not having your best relievers available until game 2. Those things are probably as bad as the injustice of having to board a private chartered flight at midnight.


That's why you start your number 3 in the wild card game.
 
2012-10-05 04:34:29 PM
If you have to have the wild card then 2 is better than 1, in my opinion.

The one change I would make is that the wild card game winner shouldn't vet to reset their 25 man roster before the next round.
 
2012-10-05 04:36:08 PM

professorkowalski: That's why you start your number 3 in the wild card game.


You can do that, but you better be ready with the quickest hook you've ever had. If you get away with it you're a lucky genius, if he takes the loss, you might be in the soup line on Monday.
 
2012-10-05 04:36:37 PM

Daniels: Yanks_RSJ: So I'm not allowed to point out an asinine format because I'm a Yankees fan? Get farked, it's asinine for the Nationals too. The teams that have the best records shouldn't be sitting around waiting to find out who they play THEN have to board a plane to play two games on the road. At least the A's and Reds knew on Wednesday who they'd be playing, so they could travel Thursday and have a regular workout on Friday. The Yankees and Nationals do not have even that luxury. The Yankees won't find out their opponent until midnight tonight. Quite a reward for having the AL's best record.

I'm sorry that your life as a baseball fan is miserable, but that doesn't mean that I'm not perfectly justified in stating the obvious about this year's playoff format. It's ridiculous.

You're allowed to point it out, and I'm allowed to say get over it. Win baseball games and stop crying over every perceived injustice. You know what would suck more? Winning 95 games and having it come down to a one game playoff against an 85 win team. You know what else sucks more? Not having your best starter available until game 3 on the road and potentially not having your best relievers available until game 2. Those things are probably as bad as the injustice of having to board a private chartered flight at midnight.


You don't want to have to use your best starter and potentially use your best relievers in the wild card game? Win your division. The division winners SHOULD have fewer injustices than the wild card teams. It should suck more for the wild card teams than the division winners, especially the #1 seeds in each league.
 
2012-10-05 04:36:57 PM

Daniels: You're allowed to point it out, and I'm allowed to say get over it.


It's funny that you've chosen that address only my very legitimate and obvious concerns and not those expressed by Nationals fans, or impartial observers. What a completely stunning development.

I don't deny that their are clear disadvantages to the Wild Card participants, my point is only that there should be ZERO disadvantages for the team that claims the league's best record, especially in relation to the other division winners who at least know their opponent and are able to travel and arrive in time to have a customary workout. But I know you can't look at things rationally when it comes to the Yankees, so I accept that.
 
2012-10-05 04:40:49 PM

lunchinlewis: professorkowalski: That's why you start your number 3 in the wild card game.

You can do that, but you better be ready with the quickest hook you've ever had. If you get away with it you're a lucky genius, if he takes the loss, you might be in the soup line on Monday.


You carry your 2 and 3 starters. Start 3. If, you have to give him a quick hook, you pitch your number 2 starter out of the 'pen.

You carry nine pitchers, maybe.

Give's you extra bats off the bench, and guys that are specialized defensive replacements and speed guys, and power hitters off the bench.

Showalter was talking about it the other day.

Brilliant plan, if it works.
 
2012-10-05 04:42:46 PM

bacongood: If you have to have the wild card then 2 is better than 1, in my opinion.

The one change I would make is that the wild card game winner shouldn't vet to reset their 25 man roster before the next round.


Like I said a few posts ago, that's why I love this round, just for how the rosters are gonna be set up.
 
2012-10-05 04:49:59 PM

professorkowalski: You carry your 2 and 3 starters. Start 3. If, you have to give him a quick hook, you pitch your number 2 starter out of the 'pen.

You carry nine pitchers, maybe.

Give's you extra bats off the bench, and guys that are specialized defensive replacements and speed guys, and power hitters off the bench.

Showalter was talking about it the other day.

Brilliant plan, if it works.



I think that's just Buck admitting that if he can't lead with his best starters against New York then Baltimore loses that series.
 
2012-10-05 04:53:20 PM

lunchinlewis: professorkowalski: You carry your 2 and 3 starters. Start 3. If, you have to give him a quick hook, you pitch your number 2 starter out of the 'pen.

You carry nine pitchers, maybe.

Give's you extra bats off the bench, and guys that are specialized defensive replacements and speed guys, and power hitters off the bench.

Showalter was talking about it the other day.

Brilliant plan, if it works.


I think that's just Buck admitting that if he can't lead with his best starters against New York then Baltimore loses that series.


Maybe. I like the idea of doing it.

You could also carry your 1 and 3. Start the 3. If that works you have 1 and 2 to start both road games.
 
2012-10-05 04:55:05 PM

LemSkroob: But since team A just used their ace to beat team B in the 1-game, Team C is now more than happy to face the bottom half of the rotation for the first several games, and walks into the league finals.


One of the best parts of the thing. The best team in the League gets a significant advantage. Perfect.

As for a college team beating an MLB team, the odds of that happening would be extremely long in a real game situation. The one the O's lost this spring, they gave the opponents professional pitchers (including on of the top players in the Japan League) and had their stars on short days or not playing.
 
2012-10-05 04:59:08 PM
I can't farkING believe I just saw the Guacamole ad.

Is this year 5?
 
2012-10-05 05:01:55 PM

professorkowalski: You could also carry your 1 and 3. Start the 3. If that works you have 1 and 2 to start both road games.


Well look at Atlanta. They're starting their 1, but put their 2 and 3 on today's roster. Even with that bullpen they have.
 
2012-10-05 05:13:01 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Daniels: You're allowed to point it out, and I'm allowed to say get over it.

It's funny that you've chosen that address only my very legitimate and obvious concerns and not those expressed by Nationals fans, or impartial observers. What a completely stunning development.

I don't deny that their are clear disadvantages to the Wild Card participants, my point is only that there should be ZERO disadvantages for the team that claims the league's best record, especially in relation to the other division winners who at least know their opponent and are able to travel and arrive in time to have a customary workout. But I know you can't look at things rationally when it comes to the Yankees, so I accept that.


I agree, the Wild Card game should not have been shoehorned into the 2012 season without media approval of scheduling adjustments. For 2013, this problem is largely resolved.


professorkowalski: That's why you start your number 3 in the wild card game.


It's a huge risk, especially if the opposition starts their ace. And the best move will be highly situational, depending on the relative ability of your starters and who you play. But if you take the risk and win, you deserve to get rewarded with your ace in game 1. Even if you keep your #1/2 to come in if he is needed, you are probably going to playing from behind and your #1/2 may well be off his game coming off the bench rather than starting. And you still face the risk of burning your bullpen.
 
2012-10-05 05:20:47 PM

downstairs: Dr Dreidel: I chose yours to respond to, but all y'all calling for a 3-game playoff should read.

A 3-game postseason series will take 6-7 days:
Sunday: possible travel day
Monday: Game 1 (home)
Tuesday: travel day
Wednesday: Game 2 (away)
Thursday: travel day
Friday: Game 3 (home)
Saturday: possible travel day (before the *LDS)

If the teams are geographically close (NYY/BAL, LAD/SD, that kind of thing), I don't think they'd get a travel day, but it wouldn't be 3 days/3 games.

Instead, a 2-game home-and-home decided by aggregate runs. Introduce a little...anarchy, and don't take a week to do it.


First of all, it should be (for the higher seed)--- away, home, home.
 
No travel days between game 1 and 2.  Baseball doesn't *need* travel days.  Its a benefit for those who make the playoffs, so heck, this makes not winning your division even more desirable.
 
So I've added only 2 extra days to the whole thing.
 
Also, why not tighten up the division series (when it goes back to 2-2-1)... no travel day between games 2 and 3.  I mean, baseball teams can play up to 20 days in a row in the regular season.  Ain't going to hurt them.


If it went A-H-H, you'd only lose one day off my timeline (making the *LWS 5-6 days instead of 6-7). And no, the teams will always want travel days - losing 3 straight in the regular season just means you've got to pick yourself up and move on. In the postseason, you have no such luxury. Travel days are important - besides which, wouldn't you rather see both teams at their rested best rather than jetlagged?

I appreciate you wanting to speed up the series, but that's not the way to do it.

// and I know aggregate scores has never been a part of American sports (MLS?)
// that's why it's just potato enough to work
 
2012-10-05 05:22:13 PM
Yanks_RSJ: But I know you can't look at things rationally when it comes to the Yankees, so I accept that.

Untrue. The Mets are dead to me until the Wilpons are no longer involved. Whomever David Wright's next team is will be my new team.

I get that the travel thing is dumb. I still don't think it's enough of a disadvantage to outweigh what is the (rightfully) huge disadvantage the wildcard team has to play through.
 
Al!
2012-10-05 05:27:17 PM
My suggestion? Have it come down to the winner of a 161 game series. You can't have your whole season ride on the twists and turns of a single game. Teams deserve a fair shake, and you just can't get a fair shake in a single game. Any Little League team could beat any MLB All-Star team in a single game series.
/sarcasm

Seriously? What do you think game 7 of the WS equates to? They don't automatically tack on extra games at the end just to make sure someone wins by 2.

/drtfa
 
2012-10-05 05:28:24 PM

FreakinB: Not subby, but it's probably referencing the very idea of having one game decide a team's fate after they've gone through a 162-game season. If so I agree, but it's fun as hell so I still like it.


If you want more than 1 chance, win your damn division!
 
2012-10-05 05:29:34 PM
professorkowalski: That's why you start your number 3 in the wild card game.

This is an insane theory. You wouldn't do it if you had to win Game 162 to get in the playoffs. Potentially saving your ace for next April is a foolish decision.
 
2012-10-05 05:37:30 PM

Daniels: I get that the travel thing is dumb. I still don't think it's enough of a disadvantage to outweigh what is the (rightfully) huge disadvantage the wildcard team has to play through.


Again, there should be no weighing of advantages vs. disadvantages when you have your league's best record. Every advantage should be yours, as a reward for being the best over six months. That the only point I've been making.
 
2012-10-05 05:42:20 PM
already a controversy.
 
2012-10-05 06:15:00 PM

Tr0mBoNe: Either they cut the season back to 154 games


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2012-10-05 06:41:20 PM
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2012-10-05 09:10:13 PM
154? Hell, the season should be 142 games or less. No more of this opening day with snow on the ground bs, no more World Series just before Thanksgiving. Baseball should start mid-April and be over mid-to-late October.
 
2012-10-06 06:22:40 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: 154? Hell, the season should be 142 games or less. No more of this opening day with snow on the ground bs, no more World Series just before Thanksgiving. Baseball should start mid-AprilJune and be over mid-to-late OctoberAugust.


FTFY

Then we don't have to pretend it exists during the NBA or NFL seasons.
 
2012-10-07 08:20:32 PM

hulk hogan meat shoes: It's either a 1, 3, or 5 game series to determine the wild card. 5 would be ridiculous- the World Series wouldn't end until mid November. 3 is silly because you have the top seed waiting a week to play (also a critique of a 5 game series) and we all know how fans like to blame a poor first round performance on "too much time off." So it's 1. What's the other league that plays a one game "series?" The NFL. Last I checked, they do just fine.


This comparitive argument would make more sense if NFL teams rotated quarterbacks on a per game basis. Oriof every starting pitcher on a ML baseball team played in the same game.
 
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