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(Geek.com)   Hackers compromise four million hotel locks using a small device hidden inside a standard dry erase marker   (geek.com) divider line 39
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 11:38:52 AM
Have you ever really stopped to think about how secure those hotel keycards and electronic locks are?

I've stopped to think about how the law of most or all states protects hotels from lawsuits over stolen property left in hotel rooms. They only need to make guests feel secure.
 
2012-10-05 11:50:35 AM

ZAZ: Have you ever really stopped to think about how secure those hotel keycards and electronic locks are?

I've stopped to think about how the law of most or all states protects hotels from lawsuits over stolen property left in hotel rooms. They only need to make guests feel secure.


ah yes, our ever precious illusion of safety. ye gods, we can't have anything shattering THAT now can we?

incidentally, I'm wondering how difficult it would be to build one of these things. I kinda suck with hardware and could use the practice.
 
2012-10-05 01:17:59 PM
That looks stupid easy to build.
 
2012-10-05 01:44:26 PM
And this is worrysome, yet all the highly paid and thoroughly vetted hotel staff with master keys aren't a problem for you?
 
2012-10-05 01:44:52 PM
FTA This newest creation, though, is inconspicuous as you can get. The hacking mechanisms were housed inside a standard dry erase marker, so all that the hacker needs to do is insert the tip of the marker into the lock - granted, still not normal behavior but something that a genuine thief or criminal could slip through without being noticeable.

I promise, baby, just the tip...
 
2012-10-05 01:49:28 PM
This is why I only travel with suitcases full of botulism.  Who's laughing now Barfy?
 
2012-10-05 01:57:22 PM
I heard about this a couple months ago. I was at a hotel with a code monkey friend not too long ago. Before he opened the door of the room, he stuck his hand in the space underneath the lock and started feeling around inside it. I asked him what he was doing and he said, "Oh, I'm just checking to see if it's the kind that can be hacked." I gave him a look and he told me he went to a hacker con one time where they did a talk about it. Can't remember if the room we had was a hackable one, though.
 
2012-10-05 02:02:57 PM

ZAZ: Have you ever really stopped to think about how secure those hotel keycards and electronic locks are?

I've stopped to think about how the law of most or all states protects hotels from lawsuits over stolen property left in hotel rooms. They only need to make guests feel secure.


gotta love lobbyists.
 
2012-10-05 02:05:04 PM
Uh... fake? You can catch a glimpse of his hand pulling away from the card reader with a card in his hand...
 
2012-10-05 02:08:36 PM
Cool, I'm going to do this and steal stuff
 
2012-10-05 02:09:12 PM
"The company responsible for the popular locks, Onity, has promised that it is going to find a fix to this exploit."

... in future models. The 4+ million that are already in place will still be vulnerable.
 
2012-10-05 02:18:03 PM
hakers gain access to 4 million bibles
 
2012-10-05 02:23:20 PM
Journalists never cease to be amazed that locks aren't 100% secure.

You think they'd learn.
 
2012-10-05 02:25:23 PM

ampoliros: "The company responsible for the popular locks, Onity, has promised that it is going to find a fix to this exploit."

... in future models. The 4+ million that are already in place will still be vulnerable.


I imagine the "fix" involves a small cork and some glue.
 
2012-10-05 02:30:09 PM

bingo the psych-o: ampoliros: "The company responsible for the popular locks, Onity, has promised that it is going to find a fix to this exploit."

... in future models. The 4+ million that are already in place will still be vulnerable.

I imagine the "fix" involves a small cork and some glue.


I imagine your "fix" will then be hacked by a sharp object.
 
2012-10-05 02:40:50 PM
Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.
 
2012-10-05 02:47:42 PM

namegoeshere: And this is worrysome, yet all the highly paid and thoroughly vetted hotel staff with master keys aren't a problem for you?


Jeez, this. Its not hard to swipe a keycard off the maids cart. Locks are a discouragement to the casual troublemaker.
 
2012-10-05 03:18:47 PM

robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.


Do you then see a lot of people sitting with their phones on spending minutes trying to figure out why they don't have any reception?
 
2012-10-05 03:23:58 PM
no macguyver headline could have went green here?
 
2012-10-05 03:25:20 PM

robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.


Pretty expensive to loose one of those things for one movie, the range is usually at most 50feet so unless you drop it dead center in the room. Then really who cares if someone is looking at their phone you should be watching the movie not watching other people.
 
2012-10-05 03:49:12 PM
Why is it such news that hotel rooms aren't safe? They never have been. They're as safe as they can be cheaply made to be while using interchangeable locks.
 
2012-10-05 04:46:52 PM
What a waste of bandwidth. That article imparted no additional infomation beyond what was in Subby's headline. It doesn't even hint at what sort of strategy was used, how it might be plausible, or even how stupid an idea it is when getting into a hotel room through other methods is so much easier.

Fail.
 
2012-10-05 04:48:05 PM
Almost any hotel worth a shiat has a valuables safe in it. If you are farking retarded enough to leave your hotel and leave out cell phones, tablets, expensive jewelry and anything else of considerable value you deserve your shiat yanked.
 
2012-10-05 04:48:50 PM

robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.


May have been useful seven years ago. Now getting a signal isn't necessary to annoy others.
 
2012-10-05 05:17:12 PM

robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.


And then you get swarmed by over zealous security personnel who think you're planting explosives....
 
2012-10-05 05:18:07 PM

MikeSass: What a waste of bandwidth. That article imparted no additional infomation beyond what was in Subby's headline. It doesn't even hint at what sort of strategy was used, how it might be plausible, or even how stupid an idea it is when getting into a hotel room through other methods is so much easier.

Fail.


There's a whitepaper out there. Just google it.
 
2012-10-05 05:21:34 PM

ApatheticMonkey: MikeSass: What a waste of bandwidth. That article imparted no additional infomation beyond what was in Subby's headline. It doesn't even hint at what sort of strategy was used, how it might be plausible, or even how stupid an idea it is when getting into a hotel room through other methods is so much easier.

Fail.

There's a whitepaper out there. Just google it.


Or go to any decent infosec of physec conference.

This is not exactly a new exploit.

(I think Shmoocon had one of these as part of their lock picking courses last year)
 
2012-10-05 06:33:24 PM

MikeSass: What a waste of bandwidth. That article imparted no additional infomation beyond what was in Subby's headline. It doesn't even hint at what sort of strategy was used, how it might be plausible, or even how stupid an idea it is when getting into a hotel room through other methods is so much easier.

Fail.


There's a method easier than "insert tool, open door"? Faster maybe? Easier, I don't see how unless you're counting "left door open."
 
2012-10-05 06:43:51 PM
I can open any hotel/motel door.

*knock*knock* "I'm here with your extra pillows."
 
2012-10-05 06:58:03 PM

styckx: Almost any hotel worth a shiat has a valuables safe in it. If you are farking retarded enough to leave your hotel and leave out cell phones, tablets, expensive jewelry and anything else of considerable value you deserve your shiat yanked.


Pretty sure I saw something about those safes being useless and easily unlocked with master codes that are readily available.
 
2012-10-05 08:42:57 PM
 
2012-10-05 08:50:01 PM
I worked for a company that designs these kinds of locks over ten years ago. It was known then too. It's an industry based in tradition and security through obscurity, and some old PICs too.
 
2012-10-06 12:29:29 AM
Yeah... but you'll get in big trouble if they catch you doing that. So there.
 
2012-10-06 12:35:25 AM

DeathByGeekSquad: robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.

And then you get swarmed by over zealous security personnel who think you're planting explosives....


You need to lay off television, it's screwing your sense of reality
 
2012-10-06 01:21:10 AM

cgraves67: robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.

Do you then see a lot of people sitting with their phones on spending minutes trying to figure out why they don't have any reception?


While I've make tons of them, I've only used one myself maybe a half dozen times, with movies I really wanted to see without assholes talking on their phones. Only once has someone stood up and publicly asked with righteous anger who had the jammer, and he had a very important call blah blah biddy blah. It was pretty funny, since the thing was maybe 2 seats away from him. But yeah, you'll get people confused as to why they have no service.
 
2012-10-06 06:53:55 AM

robohobo: cgraves67: robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.

Do you then see a lot of people sitting with their phones on spending minutes trying to figure out why they don't have any reception?

While I've make tons of them, I've only used one myself maybe a half dozen times, with movies I really wanted to see without assholes talking on their phones. Only once has someone stood up and publicly asked with righteous anger who had the jammer, and he had a very important call blah blah biddy blah. It was pretty funny, since the thing was maybe 2 seats away from him. But yeah, you'll get people confused as to why they have no service.


I'm all for believing in the stupidity and arrogance abundant in society, but not a chance in hell this actually happened.
 
2012-10-06 08:41:50 AM
What, because a small crowbar isn't hip enough?
 
2012-10-06 12:26:09 PM
t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-08 02:07:16 PM

Tainted1: DeathByGeekSquad: robohobo: Meh. Not as useful as a cell-phone jammer. I've made dozens. Cheap and disposable. Usefull at movie theatres. Just drop one on your way to your seat.

And then you get swarmed by over zealous security personnel who think you're planting explosives....

You need to lay off television, it's screwing your sense of reality


/boston bomb scare image

Post-Colorado shooting, movies are a hotbed for overzealous activity.
 
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