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(Hot Air)   You know how unemployment dipped to 7.8%. There's just one problem with that number. Hint: Don't use fuzzy math and People who give up looking for a job and leave unemployment is not the same as people getting jobs   (hotair.com) divider line 73
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2012-10-05 11:33:02 AM
7 votes:
You know, if Republicans had only been willing to extend unemployment benefits further, unemployment would be higher because more people would still be on the rolls.
2012-10-05 01:28:36 PM
4 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You have to remember that the Obama administration is both legendarily inept and masterfully criminal at the same time according to many who oppose it.

So just like Bush?


No.

Bush was legendarily inept.
Cheney was masterfully criminal.
2012-10-05 04:14:13 PM
3 votes:
www.verminsupreme.com
2012-10-05 03:51:34 PM
3 votes:
Just wait until WND notices that this unemployment report is full of ARABIC NUMERALS.
2012-10-05 03:41:29 PM
3 votes:

tomWright: The timing is suspicious


Yes. That report that is released every month sure has some questionable timing. You know what else is questionable? 0bambi is having his election during the work week, when many of us bootstrappy souls will be at work, but the 47%ers will be free to roam the streets and vote. I, for one, am dubious that this is a coincidence.
2012-10-05 11:24:22 AM
3 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: Yeah that is the lie, if you run out of benefits, you no longer are looking.  Kind of an odd jump in logic.  My state has the second highest unemployment in the Nation at 10.7 percent statewide.  Job fairs routinely bring in 4000 or more people to look in a single day.  Many are officially not lo9oking for work.  It isn't that they have stopped, the Federal Gov't has just conviently swept them under the carpet.  The Gov't has given up on them, so they cease to exist, they have not given up on looking for jobs.
 
The state EDC gave a sweetheart deal to a sports star to move his company and it was tied to creating 400 jobs.  After 2 years, he had filled 200 jobs almost all from people he moved into the state from other states.  Then he aquired a company in Maryland with 400 employees.  This April he went bankrupt, laid off the 200 transients and the 400 in another state. But that is considered job creation.
 
We got a lot of stimulus money, we have some very nice roads now.  The money went to the largest businesses in the state.  They hired few workers and those they hired were temp jobs.  But the companies made a healthy profit.  Job creation almost nil.  But as I said, some nice back roads are very nice now.
 
The state now wants to have a fullfledged Casino.  Job creation, as long as the Indians don't own it.  I live very close to the two largest Casinos in the Western Hemisphere.  Where did most of the workforce come from?  Casino states.  Not local people.  Casinos are smart, they want people who know the business, have the skills and know the grind.  They don't want to train 1000's of workers.  They are a business.  Shipping in a whole workforce from out of state is not job creation.
 
My own employer got state grants that included hiring goals.  They could not make the hiring goals.  So they laid off expensive employees so they could hire to meet the goals.  Kind of like the big Red Sox trade this year to open up payroll.  They hired a lot of people wit ...


So you're saying privatization doesn't work.
2012-10-05 04:07:20 PM
2 votes:

foo monkey: What are they saying over at unskewedemploymentreports.com?


i.qkme.me
2012-10-05 04:05:22 PM
2 votes:

thurstonxhowell: I was gonna vote Libertarian, but the Libertarians I know managed to talk me out of it. Now I'm thinking Vermin Supreme. Or maybe Green. Depends how lulzy I'm feeling that day.


You can't vote for a Taco Bell entre.
2012-10-05 03:17:37 PM
2 votes:
I'm surprised the numbers aren't better on the expectation of regime change. Business folk I know have been hiring and ramping up production on the expectation that Obama will be thrown out of office.
2012-10-05 03:10:38 PM
2 votes:
Unemployment under Romney is 47%.
2012-10-05 03:05:22 PM
2 votes:

downstairs: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: downstairs: I'm saying I'm worth $X and making <$X.

Self-assessment is not a scientific method.


Which is why I used the variable "X".
 
You can't deny that someone with mad skills in a high-end industry, which has been decimated (temporarily, we hope) by the economy... who is now working at a job well below their skill level... is bad for the economy in general.
 
"underemployment" isn't really that bizarre of a concept, is it?


It's a free market. You're being paid exactly what you're worth. Stop whining, commie.
2012-10-05 12:16:14 PM
2 votes:

downstairs: Fear_and_Loathing: It isn't that they have stopped, the Federal Gov't has just conviently swept them under the carpet.


Yep.  That's why I ignore these numbers completely.
 
Take my situation.  I run a small two person business (well one-and-a-half... my partner pretty much left and got a job, but sticks around and helps a bit and does get some consulting cash for that.)
 
I'm making maybe 1/3 of what I made for 10 years.  I'm not on any government program, but for all intents and purposes I'm unemployed.  Or I should be counted in some stat, as I'm not technically making ends meet.
 
I'm looking for a job in a different industry, but there's no way the government or any third-party polling agency would know this.  I pay taxes, so I'm counted as employed.  But only because I can make some money from whats left of our business.  But I consider that akin to "unemployment benefits" as it amounts to pretty much the same situation... enough money to barely scrape by for the time being.
 
Until you count people like me, I'm not listening to any "employment" numbers.


WELL, at least we know why you are doing so poorly.
You are a farking retarded chimp.
Seriously. You want to be counted, but only if we count things YOUR way???
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

troll score: 2/10
2012-10-05 12:08:51 PM
2 votes:

downstairs: Fear_and_Loathing: It isn't that they have stopped, the Federal Gov't has just conviently swept them under the carpet.


Yep.  That's why I ignore these numbers completely.
 
Take my situation.  I run a small two person business (well one-and-a-half... my partner pretty much left and got a job, but sticks around and helps a bit and does get some consulting cash for that.)
 
I'm making maybe 1/3 of what I made for 10 years.  I'm not on any government program, but for all intents and purposes I'm unemployed.  Or I should be counted in some stat, as I'm not technically making ends meet.
 
I'm looking for a job in a different industry, but there's no way the government or any third-party polling agency would know this.  I pay taxes, so I'm counted as employed.  But only because I can make some money from whats left of our business.  But I consider that akin to "unemployment benefits" as it amounts to pretty much the same situation... enough money to barely scrape by for the time being.
 
Until you count people like me, I'm not listening to any "employment" numbers.


Your claim is that you are employed but not REALLY employed because you don't make as much money as you would like?

Hell, if that's the metric, the employment percentage rate of the WORLD is microscopic.
2012-10-05 11:54:41 AM
2 votes:

InspectorZero: But the real reason the government's cooked numbers show a decrease in unemployment today is because of "part time jobs for economic reasons"


So in other words...there's a decrease in unemployment because people have jobs.

Hm. That's kinda weird.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 11:37:46 AM
2 votes:

InspectorZero: If you all really believe unemployment is at 7.8%, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.


Well, if you believe that it isn't I have some swampland to sell you.

If I make a joke about selling you something I don't own or is worthless then I must be right. Right?
2012-10-05 11:33:45 AM
2 votes:

unlikely: Odd, the Department of Labor said that's specifically not the case. Which is it? I'm confused.


Hush, the only real facts come from the GOP.
2012-10-05 10:15:02 AM
2 votes:

HST's Dead Carcass: I know one that was cut off from unemployment and has been clinging on to everything he owns. He attributes to the number of people not on unemployment.

Here's my town compared to statewide. Unemployment is dropping for the state because people were kicked off unemployment after an internal audit, but Colorado Springs is still rising.

Our town is at 9.8%, and at least 50% of that is IT/Tech jobs. Additionally, you can see by the red line for Colorado, exactly when they got the results of the audit, because the line goes from 9.3% to 7.7%... in an effort to make the national average look better. That many jobs weren't found, they just ended Unemployment for thousands of people over a 2 month period.


CSB.
2012-10-06 01:24:50 PM
1 votes:
If you REALLY think the economy is good and the unemployment numbers aren't down just because people have ran out of unemployment checks just look at the jobs "section" of your local dead tree newspaper. Its a page these days instead of a section.
2012-10-05 10:49:18 PM
1 votes:

tony41454: THIS. 7.8% is still not good enough to reelect someone over. Gas prices are also up.


growlersoftware.com

I'll be here all day
2012-10-05 09:45:01 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: HST's Dead Carcass: jst3p: I call bullshiat.

Go ahead, HP closed their doors and laid a few hundred people in 2010-2012. That was just there, not including Oracle and Intel.

You got a citation for those Oracle layoffs? They certainly let some people go from the companies they have acquired over the years, but that was due to redundancy (e.g. H.R., accounting, etc) rather than the economy. Possibly some non-US layoffs. I'd be interested in reading about that if you have a link.

/Oracle employee for about 5 years.


He didn't say a few hundred people were laid off. He said they were laid. You know those executive committees get busy.
2012-10-05 09:41:51 PM
1 votes:

NateGrey: Nabb1: NateGrey: Nabb1: Lurking Fear: Huh, because these same methods and numbers work just fine during republican administrations. I wonder what could possibly be different...

From what I recall of the politics threads from 2004, those methods and numbers did not work fine at all for the left leaning folks, many of whom rebuked the calculations with these same arguments in this article, but were perfectly okay for Bush supporters. Funny how things change, isn't it?

Deep thoughts from a Fark Independent.

Deep thoughts are probably a completely foreign concept to anyone who uses that term.

Bush hit an all time high unemployment rate your reaction:

" Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2003-06-06 05:08:48 PM
Hopefully, these jobless figures are mere hesitance on the part of businesses. The Dow is back up above 9000, and all the other recent numbers have been cautiously optimistic, like retail sales. "

I like the cautious optimism. I am sure when Obama did it you had the same reaction:

" Nabb1 [TotalFark] 2010-10-06 10:05:15 AM
I bet they feel stimulated, though."

Republican humor!


Man. You really Nailed Him™, Colbert. Great work on pinning down is commitment to being non-commital.
2012-10-05 08:24:06 PM
1 votes:

MacWizard: I don't really know where the BLS numbers come from (and don't particularly care). I just know I was never polled about anything, was never on unemployment and, during the time period I was discussing, was never on anyone else's payroll. This is my basis for saying I was never included in any of these numbers.


I don't think you understand how polls work. Unless you think you were the only person in the country in your situation?
2012-10-05 08:14:36 PM
1 votes:
Probably part of the Republican agenda to unseat Obama! Oh noes!!!
2012-10-05 07:41:46 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: indylaw: tomWright: It could be legitimate, it could be politically shaded. The timing is suspicious

In other words, it's suspicious because it doesn't favor your narrative.

Indeed. A slow, but stead downward trend in the unemployment rate that has been going on for about two years has *gasp* continued. Very suspicious.


A slow steady down-ward trend would also continue if the people were no longer longer employee because they kept falling off the unemployment count.

Either way it doesn't matter. Obama promised that with the Recovery Plan we would be at ~5.6% unemployment and we aren't even close. If you think he deserves a second chance at getting employment down to 5% then vote for him, if not then vote him out.
2012-10-05 06:55:07 PM
1 votes:
I only job I was ever laid off from was during Obama's term, so Obama must be responsible.

/ Was hired for that job during Clinton's run, so, thanks Bubba !
2012-10-05 06:48:07 PM
1 votes:

impaler: TheRedMonkey: Or is it because of seasonal hires?

If only they could apply some adjustment for things that happen seasonally?

"Seasonal re-factoring"
"time of year adjustment"


Or just compare the numbers to last year. I think they had Halloween and Christmas in 2011 too.

Season hires being more than last year is a great sign. It means that businesses expect people to be buying more stuff than last year. Which means people are doing better than last year, since when people are doing better, they buy more stuff. And when people buy more stuff, our economy gets better. And when the economy gets better, people get more money. And when they have more money, they buy more stuff. And when they...

Sorry.

As far a manufacturing jobs go, people don't get it yet. If some piece of plastic cost 5c to make and sells for $1.99, only 5c of that goes to manufacturing. The money that goes for licensing, for trucking, for advertising, for the store...all of that is considered service, and all of that is here. So the Chinese do the work but 95% of the money stays here.

The Chinese have figured this out, incidentally. And they're not happy about it. People who you treat like slaves because their choices are work for pennies or starve are not going to be thankful.
2012-10-05 06:43:13 PM
1 votes:
I believe the difference between U3 and U6 has been covered, and suddenly U6 is the Republitard talking point.

The fact is, unemployment is going down like subby's mom at the truck stop.
2012-10-05 06:22:18 PM
1 votes:

Big Man On Campus: I don't care how you calculate that 7.8%. It doesn't matter two spits how many people you have employed, what matters is what you have them doing...

From the actual report from the BLS:

Health care added 44,000 jobs in September. Job gains continued in ambulatory
health care services (+30,000) and hospitals (+8,000). Over the past year,
employment in health care has risen by 295,000.

In September, employment increased by 17,000 in transportation and warehousing.
Within the industry, there were job gains in transit and ground passenger
transportation (+9,000) and in warehousing and storage (+4,000).

Employment in financial activities edged up in September (+13,000), reflecting
modest job growth in credit intermediation (+6,000) and real estate (+7,000).

Manufacturing employment edged down in September (-16,000). On net, manufacturing
employment has been unchanged since April. In September, job losses occurred
in computer and electronic products (-6,000) and in printing and related
activities (-3,000).

Employment in other major industries, including mining and logging, construction,
wholesale trade, retail trade, information, professional and business services,
leisure and hospitality, and government, showed little change over the month.

So how are we ever supposed to feel good about the direction our economy is going? We're adding jobs in health care (Service industry) thanks to Obamacare, but losing manufacturing for the billionth time. Hooray! If we continue on this track, our biggest industry will be looking after each other's health instead of adding wealth to the nation by building things that the world wants.

Short version: Unemployment numbers mean crap, what is meaningful is what industries are expanding, and which ones are shrinking. The industries that do not bring in wealth are expanding, the industries that do make the country richer are continuing to shrink.


There has been a huge spike in the manufacture of shovels and bicycle gears based on the amount of digging and back-pedaling Conservatives have been doing lately.
2012-10-05 06:08:27 PM
1 votes:

gerrychampoux: I'm sure all this September hiring had nothing to do with retailers hiring temporary employees for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Black Friday and the overall Christmas shopping season.


I never really heard of Halloween and Thanksgiving being particularly big retail booms, but yea, Christmas season hiring is probably starting to happen. That's why the BLS report is seasonally adjusted because, you know, Christmas happens every year and we have a good idea roughly how many temporary jobs it creates.

/Christmas has been around for a long time
2012-10-05 05:43:11 PM
1 votes:
I have a problem with the counting methodology in the headline.

"There's just one problem- problem A and problem B."
2012-10-05 05:34:16 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: BSABSVR: o5iiawah: supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Guns don't kill people.

Mexican drug dealers armed with American government supplied guns kill people. But what does this have to do with the unemployment rate?


they could take those weapons to the unemployment office and start mowing down the unemployed. the rate would go down.
2012-10-05 05:33:47 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.



Oh wow look who magically shows up?

This is all a coincidence of course
2012-10-05 05:19:52 PM
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: lilbjorn: Hint: The very same thing was said under Reagan, Bush, Carter, and Bush.

You said Bush twice.


We see what you did there...

newsbusters.org

/wait... do we???
2012-10-05 05:11:16 PM
1 votes:

colon_pow: theknuckler_33: colon_pow: theknuckler_33: colon_pow: All2morrowsparTs: colon_pow: so the administration has ways of juicing the numbers. it's to be expected. politics is hardball.

So why didn't they present better numbers if they were able to juice the numbers?

they didn't want to get greedy. they only need the number to go under 8. next month expect a half point drop. minimum.

Makes you wonder why they bothered to make the rate go UP in May and July.

do i have to explain everything to you? they were hoping the numbers would fall legitimately. this is their plan b.

yeeesh.

So, it's just this most recent report that is fake and the fall in unemployment is real up until NOW? Have I got that right?

according to my sources, i believe this may in fact be the case.


The people in your trailer park don't count as sources.
2012-10-05 04:21:37 PM
1 votes:

vegasj: I love it Drew

Main page = Jobless rate is down to 7.8% Romney still to be unemployed next month (spiffy)

hidden over on the polictics tab = You know how unemployment dipped to 7.8%. There's just one problem with that number. Hint: Don't use fuzzy math and People who give up looking for a job and leave unemployment is not the same as people getting jobs (followup)


It was probably due to some minority somewhere amirite?
2012-10-05 04:17:34 PM
1 votes:
No incumbent has ever been reelected with the unemployment rate over 8%. So they had to get the number down, and they found a way to do it. You simply lower the number of people looking. So what we're being told is that thanks to a measly 114,000 jobs, the unemployment rate for Sept. fell from 8.3 to 7.8. That's a full half a percentage point. No way. Also, 1.1 million people have disappeared from the labor force during the past year. How does that happen? The government erases them, just assumes those people aren't looking. So they just subtract that many jobs, therefore the unemployment rate goes down.

And those 114,000 jobs? 114,000 is the number of people that can fit in a large college stadium. We have 310 million people, 100 million working age adults, and we barely created 2,000 jobs per state for 50 states (or 57, depending on who you're talking to), yet they reduce the unemployment rate by half a point? Riiiiight.

The administration manipulated these numbers just so Obama could say the rate is below 8%, that's the only reason.
2012-10-05 04:14:14 PM
1 votes:
I love it Drew

Main page = Jobless rate is down to 7.8% Romney still to be unemployed next month (spiffy)

hidden over on the polictics tab = You know how unemployment dipped to 7.8%. There's just one problem with that number. Hint: Don't use fuzzy math and People who give up looking for a job and leave unemployment is not the same as people getting jobs (followup)
2012-10-05 04:00:56 PM
1 votes:
What are they saying over at unskewedemploymentreports.com?
2012-10-05 03:57:46 PM
1 votes:

indylaw: tomWright: It could be legitimate, it could be politically shaded. The timing is suspicious

In other words, it's suspicious because it doesn't favor your narrative.


Indeed. A slow, but stead downward trend in the unemployment rate that has been going on for about two years has *gasp* continued. Very suspicious.
2012-10-05 03:54:06 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: intelligent comment below: The economy is finally starting to show signs of improvement and conservative trolls are OUTRAGED.

/Boy do they love America

It's inconceivable, since Rush Limbaugh says Obama hates America, that anything under his Muslimpremacy would ever improve for America.



I haven't seen this much outrage from the right since 0bama announced the killing of Osama Bin Laden.
2012-10-05 03:51:21 PM
1 votes:

GhostFish: Somebody please explain this to me.

According to the right, Obama is an incompetent empty suit and this was demonstrated in the debates.
Also according to the right, Obama is a manipulative mastermind that has his insidious tendrils in every government bureau and department.

How does this make sense?
I've only ever seen this combination of features in Saturday morning cartoon villains like Skeletor and Snidely Whiplash.


See, if he was a compentent evil masterming the uneployment rate woulde reported as 6% but since he is incompetant he only reports 7.8%.
2012-10-05 03:44:50 PM
1 votes:
Somebody please explain this to me.

According to the right, Obama is an incompetent empty suit and this was demonstrated in the debates.
Also according to the right, Obama is a manipulative mastermind that has his insidious tendrils in every government bureau and department.

How does this make sense?
I've only ever seen this combination of features in Saturday morning cartoon villains like Skeletor and Snidely Whiplash.
2012-10-05 03:39:28 PM
1 votes:
I was recently on a hiring committe, and based on the interviews we did, I would estimate unemployment at 2%, max. It quickly became clear that almost everyone with any type of marketable skills is already employed. What we saw for the most part were a bunch of social rejects that, if they showed up to work at all, would break more than they fixed and cause more problems than they solved.
2012-10-05 03:39:12 PM
1 votes:

tomWright: coeyagi: tomWright: [pjmedia.com image 850x481]

[www.aei-ideas.org image 801x491]

A Pajamas Media infographic? Seems credible, Shillnestro!

Just sayin'

Some people are wondering why there are two such divergent numbers on employment. The reason is that there are actually two job surveys. One is based on asking establishments how many people are on their payroll, which initially covers roughly a third of all payroll employment. The second is based on asking households how many people in their family are working; the sample covers less than 1% of the population. Normal statistical variation guarantees that the two typically produce different results, though this month's difference was larger than usual. In addition, the two define employment differently. If somebody works two jobs, he will be counted twice by the payroll survey but just once by the household survey.

It could be legitimate, it could be politically shaded. The timing is suspicious


Without reading the link, you have me convinced that the Bureau of Labor Statistics is paid with proceeds from The Audacity of Hope.
2012-10-05 03:39:09 PM
1 votes:

coeyagi: theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: I'm surprised the numbers aren't better on the expectation of regime change. Business folk I know have been hiring and ramping up production on the expectation that Obama will be thrown out of office.

Surrrre.

1. 30% of Hillary voters support Romney
2. Silent majority
3. I don't remember what #3 was.


Bradley Effect. October Surprise. Gibble, gobble, geeble.
2012-10-05 03:38:59 PM
1 votes:

aug3: As the year 2011 began on Jan. 1, the oldest members of the Baby Boom generation celebrated their 65th birthday. In fact, on that day, and for every day for the next 19 years, 10,000 baby boomers will reach age 65.


That also means in the year 2030 we can finally party hard. Right?
2012-10-05 03:38:39 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: The only way to ever make sense of these numbers is to use consistent parameters. As long as this is the system we use to judge these numbers, its the system we use. We need to accept that.


That makes no sense at all. It like you don't even know the president is blah.
2012-10-05 03:36:35 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Noam Chimpsky: I'm surprised the numbers aren't better on the expectation of regime change. Business folk I know have been hiring and ramping up production on the expectation that Obama will be thrown out of office.

Surrrre.


1. 30% of Hillary voters support Romney
2. Silent majority
3. I don't remember what #3 was.
2012-10-05 03:34:02 PM
1 votes:
God almighty, it's a helicopter run entirely on right-wing spin and bullshiat.

The unemployment rate is not the number of people receiving unemployment compensation. It's the percentage of people actively looking, but unable, to find jobs.

If we were in job stagnation, you'd have a point - a dropping unemployment rate could signal people stopping their job searches out of despair. But we've been out of the jobs decline for over a year. It's not spectacular job growth, but you can't just claim, without evidence, that the drop in unemployment is due to people despairing when people are *actually getting new jobs*. Well, I mean, if you're a Republican you can claim anything, I guess, because you are a shameless asshole shill.
2012-10-05 03:30:36 PM
1 votes:
if only derp and butthurt made jobs.
2012-10-05 03:28:14 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Jackson Herring: Nabb1: Lurking Fear: Huh, because these same methods and numbers work just fine during republican administrations. I wonder what could possibly be different...

From what I recall of the politics threads from 2004, those methods and numbers did not work fine at all for the left leaning folks, many of whom rebuked the calculations with these same arguments in this article, but were perfectly okay for Bush supporters. Funny how things change, isn't it?

Oh of course, both sides are completely the same

So vote Republican.

You know, as much as I enjoy the Mutt and Jeff routine with the same boring, predictable, canned responses, there are other options besides the two dominant parties. Libertarian, Green, whatever. It may not affect the outcome, but at least you can assert your position in the booth.


i.qkme.me

/gonna vote Green
//not in a swing state
2012-10-05 03:27:56 PM
1 votes:

Nabb1: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Jackson Herring: Nabb1: Lurking Fear: Huh, because these same methods and numbers work just fine during republican administrations. I wonder what could possibly be different...

From what I recall of the politics threads from 2004, those methods and numbers did not work fine at all for the left leaning folks, many of whom rebuked the calculations with these same arguments in this article, but were perfectly okay for Bush supporters. Funny how things change, isn't it?

Oh of course, both sides are completely the same

So vote Republican.

You know, as much as I enjoy the Mutt and Jeff routine with the same boring, predictable, canned responses, there are other options besides the two dominant parties. Libertarian, Green, whatever. It may not affect the outcome, but at least you can assert your position in the booth.


Well go ahead, assume the position
2012-10-05 03:26:41 PM
1 votes:
Welp, at least you had one day of hope derpsters! You should have savored it while you could!
2012-10-05 03:24:50 PM
1 votes:

odinsposse: Oooh, let's see what economic wizard Hot Air got to break down these numbers.

Ed Morrissey is an American conservative blogger, columnist, motivational speaker, and talk show host. He goes by the nickname Captain Ed

Sweet merciful crap. Conservative bloggers really are the awkward kid everyone made fun of in high school aren't they?


j.wigflip.com
2012-10-05 03:22:51 PM
1 votes:

lilbjorn: Hint: The very same thing was said under Reagan, Bush, Carter, and Bush.


You said Bush twice.
2012-10-05 03:22:25 PM
1 votes:

Noam Chimpsky: I'm surprised the numbers aren't better on the expectation of regime change. Business folk I know have been hiring and ramping up production on the expectation that Obama will be thrown out of office.


I'm surprised that you haven't been arrested on fowl necrophilia charges.
2012-10-05 03:19:56 PM
1 votes:
139 million jobs for 314 million people. Less than 1 in 2 Americas is employed. Is this the change we need?

Mitt Romney has a plan to put 100% of able-bodied Americans to work, regardless of age. Whether you're 8 or 80, you should be toiling away for a non-living wage with few benefits.

"I'm Romneybot and I validated this communication."
2012-10-05 03:19:37 PM
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Noam Chimpsky: I'm surprised the numbers aren't better on the expectation of regime change. Business folk I know have been hiring and ramping up production on the expectation that Obama will be thrown out of office.


Those business folk that you totally know are going to be disappointed.
2012-10-05 03:17:01 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: lilbjorn: Unemployment under Romney is 47%.

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Well, if people would just humble out and take jobs a few dollars an hour beneath them, everyone would be employed.

This is why we need to eliminate the minimum wage. Along with pornography.


Also, the Terror Alert scale will now be replaced with my skin tones.
i2.kym-cdn.com
2012-10-05 03:09:01 PM
1 votes:
"You have to calculate the unemployment numbers diff'rently for nigrahs 'cause they isn't like white presidents"

Best if done in a Strother Martin voice...
2012-10-05 03:07:10 PM
1 votes:

bulldg4life: Hey, I know, let's start comparing U3 and U6 and get really mad that nobody is reporting the REAL numbers


No, they can't even get them to release the transcripts, let alone the real numbers. And unions are killing this country.

*tries to keep a straight face*
2012-10-05 03:06:59 PM
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Dusk-You-n-Me: [pbs.twimg.com image 580x415]

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mrshowrules: MeinRS6: These numbers will have the ever-livin'-shiat revised out of them in Nov.

The lies from the Obama admin pile up so high so fast, you need a helicopter to stay above it.

Did someone say helicopter?

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Do you think Fartbongo is going to tell them to drop the U3 again before the last jobs report before the election?


i0.kym-cdn.com
2012-10-05 02:11:49 PM
1 votes:

MeinRS6: These numbers will have the ever-livin'-shiat revised out of them in Nov.

The lies from the Obama admin pile up so high so fast, you need a helicopter to stay above it.


Awww..ain't you precious. Bless your heart.
2012-10-05 02:02:12 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: MeinRS6: These numbers will have the ever-livin'-shiat revised out of them in Nov.

The lies from the Obama admin pile up so high so fast, you need a helicopter to stay above it.

So do you have any proof these numbers were rigged? Or are these completely unsupported allegations just because it doesn't fit in with your world view?


It's a completely reasonable assumption based on the fact that 0bummer is a Kenyan Muslim Commufascist!

stupid lib world
2012-10-05 01:37:55 PM
1 votes:

impaler: The jobs figures are released on planned schedules. Everyone knew before the debate that this was going to be released today.


I'm going to guess that most of the people rooting against America or wearing the tin foil hats didn't know that.
2012-10-05 01:20:42 PM
1 votes:

MeinRS6: And check out that re-benchmarking - Link  That's some good timing.


Yep. They've been cleverly timing it the same way for years just in preparation for that moment...

From the BLS:

In accordance with usual practice, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) is announcing the preliminary estimate of the upcoming annual benchmark revision to the establishment survey employment series. The final benchmark revision will be issued on February 1, 2013, with the publication of the January 2013 Employment Situation news release.

Each year, the Current Employment Statistics (CES) survey employment estimates are benchmarked to comprehensive counts of employment for the month of March. These counts are derived from state unemployment insurance (UI) tax records that nearly all employers are required to file. For National CES employment series, the annual benchmark revisions over the last 10 years have averaged plus or minus three-tenths of one percent of Total nonfarm employment. The preliminary estimate of the benchmark revision indicates an upward adjustment to March 2012 Total nonfarm employment of 386,000 (0.3 percent).
2012-10-05 01:19:59 PM
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impaler: MeinRS6: The lies from the Obama admin pile up so high so fast, you need a helicopter to stay above it.

The Obama administration doesn't control the BLS, you moron.


That's what they want you to believe! They most certainly do control the BLS, just as they control events in the Middle East, climate change, the migration of water fowl and the earth's rotational wobble.

IT'S ALL OBAMA!
2012-10-05 01:17:20 PM
1 votes:

impaler: Now if the BLS was into manipulating data to support Obama, why didn't they lower the U3 figure for the 2010 election?


Because the deal Obama has with the BLS is he is only allowed to skew them 2% on any given month. Just before the 2010 election the U3 was actually at 12%. Obviously. It was the only thing that allowed them to keep the Senate.
2012-10-05 01:06:03 PM
1 votes:
These numbers will have the ever-livin'-shiat revised out of them in Nov.

The lies from the Obama admin pile up so high so fast, you need a helicopter to stay above it.
2012-10-05 12:52:09 PM
1 votes:
The conservatives are doing it wrong.

Their whining about the jobs report is drowning out the liberals whining about the debate, thus eliminating any real boost Romney had and turning the national dialogue to the unemployment numbers dropping below 8%

So way to take advantage of Romney's performance guys. His momentum lasted a whole day.
2012-10-05 11:48:12 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: Nabb1: Lurking Fear: Huh, because these same methods and numbers work just fine during republican administrations. I wonder what could possibly be different...

From what I recall of the politics threads from 2004, those methods and numbers did not work fine at all for the left leaning folks, many of whom rebuked the calculations with these same arguments in this article, but were perfectly okay for Bush supporters. Funny how things change, isn't it?

Oh of course, both sides are completely the same


So vote Republican.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-05 11:26:11 AM
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And I'll bet Bush is responsible for the jobs added because Obama was just implementing plans that he set up, right?
2012-10-05 09:49:31 AM
1 votes:
Huh, because these same methods and numbers work just fine during republican administrations. I wonder what could possibly be different...
 
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