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(Hot Air)   You know how unemployment dipped to 7.8%. There's just one problem with that number. Hint: Don't use fuzzy math and People who give up looking for a job and leave unemployment is not the same as people getting jobs   (hotair.com) divider line 594
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2012-10-05 05:31:22 PM
So to summarize this article Hot Air can't accept the numbers that used the same formula under Republican Administrations which are obviously a conspiracy when used by Democratic ones.
 
2012-10-05 05:33:39 PM

All2morrowsparTs: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Bush is not up for re-election.F
(Fast and Furiuos was started during that administration.)


F&F was not started up during the Bush administration. They did start another program that was similar, but when they figured out they could not track the weapons, they terminated the program immediately. Under Obama, they didn't care if they could track the weapons or not, and they didn't even bother to try.
 
2012-10-05 05:33:43 PM

All2morrowsparTs: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Bush is not up for re-election.F
(Fast and Furious was started during that administration.)


OH.....*SNAP*
 
2012-10-05 05:33:47 PM

skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.



Oh wow look who magically shows up?

This is all a coincidence of course
 
2012-10-05 05:34:16 PM

OgreMagi: BSABSVR: o5iiawah: supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Guns don't kill people.

Mexican drug dealers armed with American government supplied guns kill people. But what does this have to do with the unemployment rate?


they could take those weapons to the unemployment office and start mowing down the unemployed. the rate would go down.
 
2012-10-05 05:35:26 PM

skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.



And speaking of pathetic, almost exactly a minute after I posted you magically reply from out of left field.

This is all purely coincidental of course.

/your alts aren't fooling anyone.

//yes that makes you pathetic. Seek help.
 
2012-10-05 05:35:56 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.


Oh wow look who magically shows up?

This is all a coincidence of course


Not a coincidence at all. My 72 hour banhammer was lifted about 1/2 an hour ago and I posted in here. You remain pathetic.
 
2012-10-05 05:36:04 PM

OgreMagi: BSABSVR: o5iiawah: supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Guns don't kill people.

Mexican drug dealers armed with American government supplied guns kill people. But what does this have to do with the unemployment rate?



So before the Bush administration started the Fast and Furious program, cartels never had guns?
 
2012-10-05 05:36:10 PM
Would you guys please stop responding to people on everyone's ignore list?

Thanks in advance.
 
2012-10-05 05:36:34 PM

OgreMagi: All2morrowsparTs: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Bush is not up for re-election.F
(Fast and Furiuos was started during that administration.)

F&F was not started up during the Bush administration. They did start another program that was similar, but when they figured out they could not track the weapons, they terminated the program immediately. Under Obama, they didn't care if they could track the weapons or not, and they didn't even bother to try.


Wiki-

"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders."[7]
 
2012-10-05 05:36:43 PM

OgreMagi: They did start another program that was similar, but when they figured out they could not track the weapons, they terminated the program immediately.



False
 
2012-10-05 05:37:46 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.


Oh wow look who magically shows up?

This is all a coincidence of course


he posted at least 20 minutes before you referenced him.
 
2012-10-05 05:37:49 PM

skullkrusher: Not a coincidence at all. My 72 hour banhammer was lifted about 1/2 an hour ago and I posted in here. You remain pathetic.



Well that explains all the from left field trolls that have appeared the past few days

I has a sad that you think I'm pathetic. I really care what you think. honestly. And so does society, since you are a captain of industry and all
 
2012-10-05 05:37:55 PM
It's all bullchit and it's bad for ya"

oops, dropped this: Link
 
2012-10-05 05:37:59 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.


And speaking of pathetic, almost exactly a minute after I posted you magically reply from out of left field.

This is all purely coincidental of course.

/your alts aren't fooling anyone.

//yes that makes you pathetic. Seek help.


yeah, I tend to check threads that I have posted in. I see the little new number post next to the total posts, you see. Then I do a Ctrl-F for my handle to see if there are any responses. Imagine my surprise at seeing your skullkrusher-alt-derangement instead of a response to something I said.
Not really surprising at all.
 
2012-10-05 05:38:48 PM

theknuckler_33: intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: intelligent comment below: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.


skullkrusher like typing detected

holy crap you're pathetic. Seriously dude, seek help.


Oh wow look who magically shows up?

This is all a coincidence of course

he posted at least 20 minutes before you referenced him.


he needs this. Let it go.
 
2012-10-05 05:39:10 PM

skullkrusher:

yeah, I tend to check threads that I have posted in. I see the little new number post next to the total posts, you see. Then I do a Ctrl-F for my handle to see if there are any responses. Imagine my surprise at seeing your skullkrusher-alt-derangement instead of a response to something I said.
Not really surprising at all.



sure thing buddy. You don't use alts at all. That's just crazy talk.
 
2012-10-05 05:39:40 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: Not a coincidence at all. My 72 hour banhammer was lifted about 1/2 an hour ago and I posted in here. You remain pathetic.


Well that explains all the from left field trolls that have appeared the past few days

I has a sad that you think I'm pathetic. I really care what you think. honestly. And so does society, since you are a captain of industry and all


You caught me. How many of my alts did you unearth? Could you name them for me? I'll let you know if you missed any. They are Legion.
 
2012-10-05 05:39:50 PM

OgreMagi: Mexican drug dealers armed with American government supplied guns kill people. But what does this have to do with the unemployment rate?


It's complicated. Almost as complicated as figuring out how to pay a bill or communicate with a loved one without using a computer.
 
2012-10-05 05:39:59 PM

skullkrusher: he needs this. Let it go.



From the guy who just admits he runs onto here and starts posting the second his ban is lifted, who "needs" what now?

there you trolls go with that projection again
 
2012-10-05 05:41:34 PM

intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: BSABSVR: o5iiawah: supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Guns don't kill people.

Mexican drug dealers armed with American government supplied guns kill people. But what does this have to do with the unemployment rate?


So before the Bush administration started the Fast and Furious program, cartels never had guns?


You mean before the Obama administration started F&F, right? Because Bush didn't start it. How many times does this need to be repeated, or are you people purposely pretending to be ignorant?
 
2012-10-05 05:43:11 PM
I have a problem with the counting methodology in the headline.

"There's just one problem- problem A and problem B."
 
2012-10-05 05:43:27 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: he needs this. Let it go.


From the guy who just admits he runs onto here and starts posting the second his ban is lifted, who "needs" what now?

there you trolls go with that projection again


yeah, I knew when my ban was over. Was lurking earlier in the day. Decided to post when my ban ended. Is it a secret that I am around here often? See, when I am talking about things you need, it's the belief that there are alts assailing you from all corners because you cannot believe that there are multiple, distinct people, who find your opinions laughable. You need that. It's ok, you can have it. I have dozens of alts. Hell, I have carried on 500 post conversations with myself in some threads. See, that's what Drew pays me for. Generating page clicks through my alt trolling.

/this is what ICB actually (needs to) believe!
 
2012-10-05 05:44:03 PM

OgreMagi: You mean before the Obama administration started F&F, right? Because Bush didn't start it. How many times does this need to be repeated, or are you people purposely pretending to be ignorant?



Pretending to be ignorant? Oh like claiming Bush stopped the program long ago once they realized they couldn't track guns?

0bama didn't start anything. the ATF ran these programs until 2011. All the programs under Bush and 0bama lost guns to Mexico, so why are you blaming 0bama only for a program run by another agency and started under the Bush administration?
 
2012-10-05 05:44:15 PM

Whiskey Pete: OgreMagi: All2morrowsparTs: o5iiawah: Tainted1: Interesting, this same website has a story on it about the NRA endorsing Mitt Romney. Funny thing is though, they kind of forgot to mention that Mitt Romney has signed gun control legislature before making it odd that the NRA would pick him. I'm pretty sure that was a minor oversight and Hot Air is in no way biased or spinning data in a biased fashion.

Hot air indeed

supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Bush is not up for re-election.F
(Fast and Furiuos was started during that administration.)

F&F was not started up during the Bush administration. They did start another program that was similar, but when they figured out they could not track the weapons, they terminated the program immediately. Under Obama, they didn't care if they could track the weapons or not, and they didn't even bother to try.

Wiki-

"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders."[7]


Different operation entirely. When they found they could not track the guns (due to mexican police corruption), they terminated the program. Obama's F&F program had no provisions to track the guns. All they did was guarantee sales that were illegal and watched them disappear across the border. It was a program that had no purpose and made no sense.
 
2012-10-05 05:44:47 PM

skullkrusher: yeah, I knew when my ban was over. Was lurking earlier in the day. Decided to post when my ban ended. Is it a secret that I am around here often? See, when I am talking about things you need, it's the belief that there are alts assailing you from all corners because you cannot believe that there are multiple, distinct people, who find your opinions laughable. You need that. It's ok, you can have it. I have dozens of alts. Hell, I have carried on 500 post conversations with myself in some threads. See, that's what Drew pays me for. Generating page clicks through my alt trolling.

/this is what ICB actually (needs to) believe!



you mad bro? seek help
 
2012-10-05 05:45:36 PM

intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: You mean before the Obama administration started F&F, right? Because Bush didn't start it. How many times does this need to be repeated, or are you people purposely pretending to be ignorant?


Pretending to be ignorant? Oh like claiming Bush stopped the program long ago once they realized they couldn't track guns?

0bama didn't start anything. the ATF ran these programs until 2011. All the programs under Bush and 0bama lost guns to Mexico, so why are you blaming 0bama only for a program run by another agency and started under the Bush administration?


My god, you are a complete farking stooge.
 
2012-10-05 05:46:11 PM

intelligent comment below: skullkrusher: yeah, I knew when my ban was over. Was lurking earlier in the day. Decided to post when my ban ended. Is it a secret that I am around here often? See, when I am talking about things you need, it's the belief that there are alts assailing you from all corners because you cannot believe that there are multiple, distinct people, who find your opinions laughable. You need that. It's ok, you can have it. I have dozens of alts. Hell, I have carried on 500 post conversations with myself in some threads. See, that's what Drew pays me for. Generating page clicks through my alt trolling.

/this is what ICB actually (needs to) believe!


you mad bro? seek help


no, do I sound mad?

deepian.com
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
 
2012-10-05 05:48:49 PM
Subby is a diship or has a limited grasp of English. You decide.
 
2012-10-05 05:51:25 PM

OgreMagi: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: BSABSVR: o5iiawah: supporting an automatic weapons ban is more gun friendly than a president who armed mexican drug cartels, enabling them to kill 2 americans and hundreds of mexicans.

Guns don't kill people.

Mexican drug dealers armed with American government supplied guns kill people. But what does this have to do with the unemployment rate?


So before the Bush administration started the Fast and Furious program, cartels never had guns?

You mean before the Obama administration started F&F, right? Because Bush didn't start it. How many times does this need to be repeated, or are you people purposely pretending to be ignorant?


If you knew anything about it, you would be purposely pretending to be stupid.
Presidents do not control this F&F crap.
It is run by the Prez's boss.
Be just a bit honest, plz.
 
2012-10-05 05:52:09 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-05 05:55:03 PM

skullkrusher:
no, do I sound mad?

[deepian.com image 296x304]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!



Heh... Looks like you've earned your Fark "I've got a Stalker!" badge. Well done.

*sniff* I can remember when you first got hear... *wipes tear*
 
2012-10-05 05:56:12 PM
I'm sure all this September hiring had nothing to do with retailers hiring temporary employees for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Black Friday and the overall Christmas shopping season.
 
2012-10-05 06:04:30 PM

Bill Murray said I was weird: Hey, scumbag, still waiting for you to accept the bet I proposed to you.Or are you still too busy wishing for the president's assassination to come up with a BS excuse to get out of it?


Careful. protected troll is protected.
 
2012-10-05 06:04:58 PM
Where the hell have you been the last several years, OP?

I mean, I realize that attacking the lower numbers makes Obama look bad and all, but several people have been on top of this one for years now. The stats are every bit as bogus as they were five, even ten years ago.
 
2012-10-05 06:07:28 PM

BSABSVR: Bill Murray said I was weird: Hey, scumbag, still waiting for you to accept the bet I proposed to you.Or are you still too busy wishing for the president's assassination to come up with a BS excuse to get out of it?

Careful. protected troll is protected.


Still, the more people know this guy is a coward who prays for assassinations and posts other farkers personal information, the better, and the longer he dodges the bet the more he can be shown to be a craven coward.
 
2012-10-05 06:07:43 PM

Epoch_Zero: whidbey: lilbjorn: Unemployment under Romney is 47%.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 350x250]

Well, if people would just humble out and take jobs a few dollars an hour beneath them, everyone would be employed.

This is why we need to eliminate the minimum wage. Along with pornography.

Also, the Terror Alert scale will now be replaced with my skin tones.
[i2.kym-cdn.com image 500x677]


I look at the orange tan one and hear the oompa loompa song in my head.... every. time.
 
2012-10-05 06:08:27 PM

gerrychampoux: I'm sure all this September hiring had nothing to do with retailers hiring temporary employees for Halloween, Thanksgiving, Black Friday and the overall Christmas shopping season.


I never really heard of Halloween and Thanksgiving being particularly big retail booms, but yea, Christmas season hiring is probably starting to happen. That's why the BLS report is seasonally adjusted because, you know, Christmas happens every year and we have a good idea roughly how many temporary jobs it creates.

/Christmas has been around for a long time
 
2012-10-05 06:10:44 PM

I don't care how you calculate that 7.8%. It doesn't matter two spits how many people you have employed, what matters is what you have them doing...

From the actual report from the BLS:

Health care added 44,000 jobs in September. Job gains continued in ambulatory
health care services (+30,000) and hospitals (+8,000). Over the past year,
employment in health care has risen by 295,000.

In September, employment increased by 17,000 in transportation and warehousing.
Within the industry, there were job gains in transit and ground passenger
transportation (+9,000) and in warehousing and storage (+4,000).

Employment in financial activities edged up in September (+13,000), reflecting
modest job growth in credit intermediation (+6,000) and real estate (+7,000).

Manufacturing employment edged down in September (-16,000). On net, manufacturing
employment has been unchanged since April. In September, job losses occurred
in computer and electronic products (-6,000) and in printing and related
activities (-3,000).


Employment in other major industries, including mining and logging, construction,
wholesale trade, retail trade, information, professional and business services,
leisure and hospitality, and government, showed little change over the month.


So how are we ever supposed to feel good about the direction our economy is going? We're adding jobs in health care (Service industry) thanks to Obamacare, but losing manufacturing for the billionth time. Hooray! If we continue on this track, our biggest industry will be looking after each other's health instead of adding wealth to the nation by building things that the world wants.

Short version: Unemployment numbers mean crap, what is meaningful is what industries are expanding, and which ones are shrinking. The industries that do not bring in wealth are expanding, the industries that do make the country richer are continuing to shrink.
 
2012-10-05 06:10:49 PM
downstairs: Via Infinito: It looks like the difference between the original article and this follow-up is whether they count part time work as employment.

I really don't understand the disconnect. A job is a job. I loved my last part time job. I was definitely employed. I made money, I paid taxes. Why wouldn't that count as employment? And why would "counting the part timers" be seen as fudging the numbers?


"underemployed" is a major issue in economics.  It hurts the economy in many ways:
 
Someone who's true value is, say, $100,000/year making $25k...
 
- Is paying less taxes now, so that's less money for the government
 
- Was living within their means for 10 years, and now suddenly is a burden on the system (bankrupcy may pass their debts on to others, foreclosure is good for no one, etc. etc. etc.)
 
A healthy economy doesn't just have X% "employed".  A healthy economy has a good % of people employed at a level ($$) that equates with their skillset.


THIS, been underemployed since the SHTF in '08.
 
2012-10-05 06:12:31 PM

downstairs: Fear_and_Loathing: It isn't that they have stopped, the Federal Gov't has just conviently swept them under the carpet.


Yep.  That's why I ignore these numbers completely.
 
Take my situation.  I run a small two person business (well one-and-a-half... my partner pretty much left and got a job, but sticks around and helps a bit and does get some consulting cash for that.)
 
I'm making maybe 1/3 of what I made for 10 years.  I'm not on any government program, but for all intents and purposes I'm unemployed.  Or I should be counted in some stat, as I'm not technically making ends meet.
 
I'm looking for a job in a different industry, but there's no way the government or any third-party polling agency would know this.  I pay taxes, so I'm counted as employed.  But only because I can make some money from whats left of our business.  But I consider that akin to "unemployment benefits" as it amounts to pretty much the same situation... enough money to barely scrape by for the time being.
 
Until you count people like me, I'm not listening to any "employment" numbers.


Two years ago, my small business went under. I was unemployed for a year, but never filed for unemployment. Last year I did some part-time work, then lost that position and spent another six months unemployed -- and not on unemployment. In June, I started working again.

I also have a friend who was a stockbroker, lost his job after his Republican boss decided to neglect his business to run for Senate (and preach the imminent total collapse of the US financial system), was unemployed for months (although never filed for unemployment) and, last I heard, was working at a car wash.

Neither one of us have ever been a part of these numbers.
 
2012-10-05 06:15:40 PM

keylock71: skullkrusher:
no, do I sound mad?

[deepian.com image 296x304]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


Heh... Looks like you've earned your Fark "I've got a Stalker!" badge. Well done.

*sniff* I can remember when you first got hear... *wipes tear*


Hehe careful. That show of sentimentality towards me might get you whacked by Single White Comment
 
2012-10-05 06:15:45 PM

Big Man On Campus: I don't care how you calculate that 7.8%. It doesn't matter two spits how many people you have employed, what matters is what you have them doing...

From the actual report from the BLS:

Health care added 44,000 jobs in September. Job gains continued in ambulatory
health care services (+30,000) and hospitals (+8,000). Over the past year,
employment in health care has risen by 295,000.

In September, employment increased by 17,000 in transportation and warehousing.
Within the industry, there were job gains in transit and ground passenger
transportation (+9,000) and in warehousing and storage (+4,000).

Employment in financial activities edged up in September (+13,000), reflecting
modest job growth in credit intermediation (+6,000) and real estate (+7,000).

Manufacturing employment edged down in September (-16,000). On net, manufacturing
employment has been unchanged since April. In September, job losses occurred
in computer and electronic products (-6,000) and in printing and related
activities (-3,000).

Employment in other major industries, including mining and logging, construction,
wholesale trade, retail trade, information, professional and business services,
leisure and hospitality, and government, showed little change over the month.

So how are we ever supposed to feel good about the direction our economy is going? We're adding jobs in health care (Service industry) thanks to Obamacare, but losing manufacturing for the billionth time. Hooray! If we continue on this track, our biggest industry will be looking after each other's health instead of adding wealth to the nation by building things that the world wants.

Short version: Unemployment numbers mean crap, what is meaningful is what industries are expanding, and which ones are shrinking. The industries that do not bring in wealth are expanding, the industries that do make the country richer are continuing to shrink.


So... Services industry bad? That's what you are going with?
 
2012-10-05 06:15:54 PM

o5iiawah: Dusk-You-n-Me: [pbs.twimg.com image 580x415]

[i.imgur.com image 380x179]

Its too bad that graph doesn't has numbers, or facts because if it did, it would say that the job numbers under Obama are roughly 60,000-130,000 per month and when the economy needs roughly 70-90,000 adds per month just to replace retiring workers, we have what is essentially a stagnant recovery. Draw a line from the 6-month part of Obama's term, after the stimulus bucks ran out and it is flat.



Gee, and who is it that hates stimulus and didn't want any more? (the Republicans)

And why might it be that they want to keep Americans out of work? (to get one of their own elected).

I had to provide the answers because wingnuts are idiots and don't know the obvious answers.
 
2012-10-05 06:22:14 PM

MacWizard: downstairs: Fear_and_Loathing: It isn't that they have stopped, the Federal Gov't has just conviently swept them under the carpet.


Yep.  That's why I ignore these numbers completely.
 
Take my situation.  I run a small two person business (well one-and-a-half... my partner pretty much left and got a job, but sticks around and helps a bit and does get some consulting cash for that.)
 
I'm making maybe 1/3 of what I made for 10 years.  I'm not on any government program, but for all intents and purposes I'm unemployed.  Or I should be counted in some stat, as I'm not technically making ends meet.
 
I'm looking for a job in a different industry, but there's no way the government or any third-party polling agency would know this.  I pay taxes, so I'm counted as employed.  But only because I can make some money from whats left of our business.  But I consider that akin to "unemployment benefits" as it amounts to pretty much the same situation... enough money to barely scrape by for the time being.
 
Until you count people like me, I'm not listening to any "employment" numbers.

Two years ago, my small business went under. I was unemployed for a year, but never filed for unemployment. Last year I did some part-time work, then lost that position and spent another six months unemployed -- and not on unemployment. In June, I started working again.

I also have a friend who was a stockbroker, lost his job after his Republican boss decided to neglect his business to run for Senate (and preach the imminent total collapse of the US financial system), was unemployed for months (although never filed for unemployment) and, last I heard, was working at a car wash.

Neither one of us have ever been a part of these numbers.


If you were self-employed and paying not only the employee, but also the employER portion of UI taxes, why would you NOT file for unemployment benefits when your business went under?

You are either colossally stupid of lying through your teeth.

Considering the fact that your comments are in relation to the validity (or supposed lack thereof) of the BLS report, I'm leaning heavily towards the latter.
 
2012-10-05 06:22:18 PM

Big Man On Campus: I don't care how you calculate that 7.8%. It doesn't matter two spits how many people you have employed, what matters is what you have them doing...

From the actual report from the BLS:

Health care added 44,000 jobs in September. Job gains continued in ambulatory
health care services (+30,000) and hospitals (+8,000). Over the past year,
employment in health care has risen by 295,000.

In September, employment increased by 17,000 in transportation and warehousing.
Within the industry, there were job gains in transit and ground passenger
transportation (+9,000) and in warehousing and storage (+4,000).

Employment in financial activities edged up in September (+13,000), reflecting
modest job growth in credit intermediation (+6,000) and real estate (+7,000).

Manufacturing employment edged down in September (-16,000). On net, manufacturing
employment has been unchanged since April. In September, job losses occurred
in computer and electronic products (-6,000) and in printing and related
activities (-3,000).

Employment in other major industries, including mining and logging, construction,
wholesale trade, retail trade, information, professional and business services,
leisure and hospitality, and government, showed little change over the month.

So how are we ever supposed to feel good about the direction our economy is going? We're adding jobs in health care (Service industry) thanks to Obamacare, but losing manufacturing for the billionth time. Hooray! If we continue on this track, our biggest industry will be looking after each other's health instead of adding wealth to the nation by building things that the world wants.

Short version: Unemployment numbers mean crap, what is meaningful is what industries are expanding, and which ones are shrinking. The industries that do not bring in wealth are expanding, the industries that do make the country richer are continuing to shrink.


There has been a huge spike in the manufacture of shovels and bicycle gears based on the amount of digging and back-pedaling Conservatives have been doing lately.
 
2012-10-05 06:22:19 PM

MacWizard: Two years ago, my small business went under. I was unemployed for a year, but never filed for unemployment. Last year I did some part-time work, then lost that position and spent another six months unemployed -- and not on unemployment. In June, I started working again.

I also have a friend who was a stockbroker, lost his job after his Republican boss decided to neglect his business to run for Senate (and preach the imminent total collapse of the US financial system), was unemployed for months (although never filed for unemployment) and, last I heard, was working at a car wash.

Neither one of us have ever been a part of these numbers.


IT'S TWO POLLS
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FILING FOR UNEMPLOYMENT
NOTHING


This has only been said 14,000 times in this thread alone.
 
2012-10-05 06:23:27 PM

theknuckler_33: Big Man On Campus: I don't care how you calculate that 7.8%. It doesn't matter two spits how many people you have employed, what matters is what you have them doing...

From the actual report from the BLS:

Health care added 44,000 jobs in September. Job gains continued in ambulatory
health care services (+30,000) and hospitals (+8,000). Over the past year,
employment in health care has risen by 295,000.

In September, employment increased by 17,000 in transportation and warehousing.
Within the industry, there were job gains in transit and ground passenger
transportation (+9,000) and in warehousing and storage (+4,000).

Employment in financial activities edged up in September (+13,000), reflecting
modest job growth in credit intermediation (+6,000) and real estate (+7,000).

Manufacturing employment edged down in September (-16,000). On net, manufacturing
employment has been unchanged since April. In September, job losses occurred
in computer and electronic products (-6,000) and in printing and related
activities (-3,000).

Employment in other major industries, including mining and logging, construction,
wholesale trade, retail trade, information, professional and business services,
leisure and hospitality, and government, showed little change over the month.

So how are we ever supposed to feel good about the direction our economy is going? We're adding jobs in health care (Service industry) thanks to Obamacare, but losing manufacturing for the billionth time. Hooray! If we continue on this track, our biggest industry will be looking after each other's health instead of adding wealth to the nation by building things that the world wants.

Short version: Unemployment numbers mean crap, what is meaningful is what industries are expanding, and which ones are shrinking. The industries that do not bring in wealth are expanding, the industries that do make the country richer are continuing to shrink.

So... Services industry bad? That's what you are going with?


If all we have are service industries, then it is bad. Since we aren't going to be providing those services to other countries, all our wealth would eventually end up in China since those were we'll get all of our products. Buying cheap plastic crap from China is bargain shopping ourselves out of jobs.
 
2012-10-05 06:25:27 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: IT'S TWO POLLS
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FILING FOR UNEMPLOYMENT
NOTHING

This has only been said 14,000 times in this thread alone.




SHHHHH! Narrative is more important that facts.
 
2012-10-05 06:26:13 PM

Bag of Hammers: The Jami Turman Fan Club: IT'S TWO POLLS
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FILING FOR UNEMPLOYMENT
NOTHING

This has only been said 14,000 times in this thread alone.



SHHHHH! Narrative is more important that facts.


THAN facts

dammit
 
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