coeyagi: 1. 30% of Hillary voters support Romney2. Silent majority3. I don't remember what #3 was.
Jim_Callahan: It's almost like there are several different metrics for unemployment, and if you lambast the one that doesn't include the people whose benefits have run out you're just going to look like a farking moron because we also track the number that does include those people and that number's going down too.
Biological Ali: Nabb1: Oh, I understand it just fine. I just don't care to play. I'm not going to blindly pull the lever for a Republican or Democrat because I'm conditioned to accept that. I've voted for Republicans, Democrats, Reform Party, Libertarians, and I think I once voted Green for some office or another. I skipped 2000, voted Badnarik '04, Ron Paul as a third party candidate in '08 (he was on the ballot in Louisiana on the "Tax Reform Party" ticket or something) and will vote for Gary Johnson this time around. I know it won't affect the outcome. Neither would changing my vote to Obama or Romney.The problem with voting third party in electoral systems such as the one in the US is that you're actually raising the probability (relative to a scenario where you voted sensibly) of the least desirable plausible option being elected. So in that sense you're actually doing worse than Dilbert - not only does your vote accomplish literally nothing positive, but it carries with it a negative expected return, with its magnitude dependent on how likely the least desirable plausible option being elected was to begin with.You can talk up the third party's platforms to try and make them more popular, you can try to canvas for them and raise their profile at the grassroots level, that stuff is fine; you might actually make some small difference that way. But there is literally no sensible reason to actually vote for a party that you know will lose some particular election.
HST's Dead Carcass: He attributes to the number of people not on unemployment.
trippdogg: I was recently on a hiring committe, and based on the interviews we did, I would estimate unemployment at 2%, max. It quickly became clear that almost everyone with any type of marketable skills is already employed. What we saw for the most part were a bunch of social rejects that, if they showed up to work at all, would break more than they fixed and cause more problems than they solved.
GhostFish: How does this make sense?
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GhostFish: Somebody please explain this to me.
thurstonxhowell: Biological Ali: the only statement being made by people voting third party in the US (or other places with similar electoral systems) would be "I don't understand game theory."I don't know what game theory has to do with the fact that my vote in my definitely not going to swing state doesn't stand a chance of changing anything. I'll vote for whoever the hell I feel like voting for.I was gonna vote Libertarian, but the Libertarians I know managed to talk me out of it. Now I'm thinking Vermin Supreme. Or maybe Green. Depends how lulzy I'm feeling that day.
MeinRS6: These numbers will have the ever-livin'-shiat revised out of them in Nov.The lies from the Obama admin pile up so high so fast, you need a helicopter to stay above it.
GhostFish: Noam Chimpsky: Business folk I know have been hiring and ramping up production on the expectation that Obama will be thrown out of office.These business folk make business decisions based on hopes and dreams and not factual data like trends in polls?They don't sound like very good business folk.
Biological Ali: there is literally no sensible reason to actually vote for a party that you know will lose some particular election.
GhostFish: Somebody please explain this to me.According to the right, Obama is an incompetent empty suit and this was demonstrated in the debates.Also according to the right, Obama is a manipulative mastermind that has his insidious tendrils in every government bureau and department.How does this make sense?I've only ever seen this combination of features in Saturday morning cartoon villains like Skeletor and Snidely Whiplash.
bulldg4life: I'm kinda upset because, as I sit here, I can't remember what #3 was either....
Biological Ali: What you're essentially saying though is, you live in a place where there's such a high probability of the election going one particular way that you don't even have to bother voting, and therefore you're going to do something that's the equivalent of not voting in that race. That's fair enough, but that would just bring you back to a Dilbert-level scenario where you're merely accomplishing nothing (though strictly speaking, there still would be a negative expected return; it would just be much smaller than if you were in a swing state).
coeyagi: intelligent comment below: The economy is finally starting to show signs of improvement and conservative trolls are OUTRAGED./Boy do they love AmericaIt's inconceivable, since Rush Limbaugh says Obama hates America, that anything under his Muslimpremacy would ever improve for America.
GhostFish: Somebody please explain this to me.According to the right, Obama is an incompetent empty suit and this was demonstrated in the debates.Also according to the right, Obama is a manipulative mastermind that has his insidious tendrils in every government bureau and department.
indylaw: tomWright: It could be legitimate, it could be politically shaded. The timing is suspiciousIn other words, it's suspicious because it doesn't favor your narrative.
rufus-t-firefly: GhostFish: Somebody please explain this to me.According to the right, Obama is an incompetent empty suit and this was demonstrated in the debates.Also according to the right, Obama is a manipulative mastermind that has his insidious tendrils in every government bureau and department.He's also a Nazi Marxist Muslim [racist] Christian Pacifist Warmonger.HE IS EVERYTHING THEY WANT HIM TO BE.Why do you think they hate him even more when he does something they approve of? It ruins their little bullshiat narrative.Getting Bin Laden just made them even more pissed, because he was taunting them by doing what he said he would do.
bulldg4life: coeyagi: 1. 30% of Hillary voters support Romney2. Silent majority3. I don't remember what #3 was.I'm kinda upset because, as I sit here, I can't remember what #3 was either....I've got "let me give you some statisticals1) 30% of hillary supporters for mccain2) silent majority3) palin?------I do seem to remember the "if there were three parties, would every state get three senators"
wooden_badger: /toss a few bombs at Tel Aviv for good measure.
Nabb1: I don't vote straight ticket. As I look down the ballot, I select each candidate based on which of the available choices most matches my political views. I will say that as the races become more local, my selection may factor in likelihood of winning, especially for city council or mayor, but at the level of President - and we all know Romney will carry Louisiana handily - I simply vote according to my conscience.
paygun: how much more recovery can we take
thurstonxhowell: I was gonna vote Libertarian, but the Libertarians I know managed to talk me out of it. Now I'm thinking Vermin Supreme. Or maybe Green. Depends how lulzy I'm feeling that day.
foo monkey: What are they saying over at unskewedemploymentreports.com?
GameSprocket: jst3p: HST's Dead Carcass: I know one that was cut off from unemployment and has been clinging on to everything he owns. He attributes to the number of people not on unemployment.Here's my town compared to statewide. Unemployment is dropping for the state because people were kicked off unemployment after an internal audit, but Colorado Springs is still rising.Our town is at 9.8%, and at least 50% of that is IT/Tech jobs. Additionally, you can see by the red line for Colorado, exactly when they got the results of the audit, because the line goes from 9.3% to 7.7%... in an effort to make the national average look better. That many jobs weren't found, they just ended Unemployment for thousands of people over a 2 month period.I call bullshiat.Yeah! Hell, they should come to the Twin Cities. We have about a 2-3% unemployment for programmers/IT. Companies are having a real hard time finding people to hire.
thurstonxhowell: I'm in the booth anyway so that I can vote in House, Senate, and state elections. Since I'm in there, I might as well vote for President. My vote would be more valuable in raising the profile of a third party than it would be to either major party, or it would at least make me smile a bit to write-in Vermin Supreme.Obama carried my state by more than 20 points in 2008 and he's projected to do it again. Voting for a major party serves no purpose for me. Voting for a third party likely serves no purpose, either, but it's what I'm gonna do.
theknuckler_33: bulldg4life: coeyagi: 1. 30% of Hillary voters support Romney2. Silent majority3. I don't remember what #3 was.I'm kinda upset because, as I sit here, I can't remember what #3 was either....I've got "let me give you some statisticals1) 30% of hillary supporters for mccain2) silent majority3) palin?------I do seem to remember the "if there were three parties, would every state get three senators"I think it was '7 out of 10 undecideds'?
impaler: Didn't I already post this?
vegasj: I love it DrewMain page = Jobless rate is down to 7.8% Romney still to be unemployed next month (spiffy)hidden over on the polictics tab = You know how unemployment dipped to 7.8%. There's just one problem with that number. Hint: Don't use fuzzy math and People who give up looking for a job and leave unemployment is not the same as people getting jobs (followup)
tony41454: Also, 1.1 million people have disappeared from the labor force during the past year. How does that happen?
tony41454: No incumbent has ever been reelected with the unemployment rate over 8%. So they had to get the number down, and they found a way to do it. You simply lower the number of people looking. So what we're being told is that thanks to a measly 114,000 jobs, the unemployment rate for Sept. fell from 8.3 to 7.8. That's a full half a percentage point. No way. Also, 1.1 million people have disappeared from the labor force during the past year. How does that happen? The government erases them, just assumes those people aren't looking. So they just subtract that many jobs, therefore the unemployment rate goes down.And those 114,000 jobs? 114,000 is the number of people that can fit in a large college stadium. We have 310 million people, 100 million working age adults, and we barely created 2,000 jobs per state for 50 states (or 57, depending on who you're talking to), yet they reduce the unemployment rate by half a point? Riiiiight.The administration manipulated these numbers just so Obama could say the rate is below 8%, that's the only reason.
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